Template:Did you know nominations/Toronto Blue Jays mascots
- The following discussion is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was: promoted by Allen3 talk 11:48, 2 February 2012 (UTC)
Toronto Blue Jays mascots edit
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that BJ Birdy, the first Toronto Blue Jays mascot, was wholly owned by its performer, Kevin Shanahan, not by the club?
- Comment: The article contains images, but none are old enough to be relevant to the historical hook. Some existing text imported from MLB mascots article, but most of that is gone, and the length of this new article greatly lapses the few sentences of the source content.
Created/expanded by Zanimum (talk). Nominated by Zanimum (talk) at 15:30, 14 January 2012 (UTC)
- Article checks out fine on length and newness. The interesting hook fact seems to be implicit in the article, but it does not actually appear in explicit form in the article. Also, while most of the article is well-supplied with footnotes, the last two short paragraphs are totally unsourced. I did not check any reference citations yet, nor did I check for plagiarism issues. The hook fact needs to be supported by the article, and those last two paragraphs need some indication of where the information comes from. --Orlady (talk) 19:27, 30 January 2012 (UTC) And one more thing: Zanimum needs to do a "quid pro quo" review of another DYK nomination, per the current rules of DYK. --Orlady (talk) 19:28, 30 January 2012 (UTC)
- I've added a bit to the lead, summarizing the rocky-relationship part. Is that enough for now? I've got 50 more sources to work into the article, discussing the business stuff and rocky-relationship, but it'll take a while to develop the article more, work the additional info in. As for reviewing another article, I reviewed Pre-Flight Cloudbusters a bit after nominating this article. I've actually eliminated part of the second-to-last paragraph, and merged the rest into another paragraph. It was essentially just repeating earlier in that section. Diamond's dumping is still unsourced--no RS seems to have covered her disappearance. -- Zanimum (talk) 02:33, 1 February 2012 (UTC)
- OK on the QPQ review, and I see you've added the "ownership" topic to the lead. That's good, but for DYK we need an in-line reference citation for the hook fact. Sources 11, 12, and 13 look like they might support this fact. If there's no good source for this fact, the best solution might be another hook. How about a hook about the comic strip? BTW, I found some great stuff about Birdy (or Birdie?) on the web: This page says BJ "was a victim of market research" and that Shanahan also created a mascot for the Toronto Argonauts. And in this book, I saw a picture of BJ and read that he was the first mascot ever to be ejected from a game (he was thrown out of a game in 1993 by umpire Jim McKean; the mascot's offense was making fun of the umpires). Here's an ALT:
ALT1 ... that BJ Birdy, the first mascot of the Toronto Blue Jays, also starred in a Toronto Star comic strip created by the mascot's performer? --Orlady (talk) 05:33, 1 February 2012 (UTC)
- I've added a bit to the lead, summarizing the rocky-relationship part. Is that enough for now? I've got 50 more sources to work into the article, discussing the business stuff and rocky-relationship, but it'll take a while to develop the article more, work the additional info in. As for reviewing another article, I reviewed Pre-Flight Cloudbusters a bit after nominating this article. I've actually eliminated part of the second-to-last paragraph, and merged the rest into another paragraph. It was essentially just repeating earlier in that section. Diamond's dumping is still unsourced--no RS seems to have covered her disappearance. -- Zanimum (talk) 02:33, 1 February 2012 (UTC)
- I'm fine with the alt, if that's what we go with. 13 does indeed agree with the hook, come to think of it. ("Shanahan again offered to sell the costume and copyrights, an offer which the club denied.") The market research thing... I don't doubt it, but being only a passing sentence on the CBC Sports site, I wonder if it was extrapolation of what was indeed known about the replacement. For some reason, I could only find a reference in 1999 to the ejection, in the Star back issues. Weird, since it was a bit of a big news thing when it happened. Another possible hook would be...
- ALT2: ... that Ace and Diamond, two mascots of the Toronto Blue Jays were meant to be based on Jim Carrey and Goldie Hawn? -- Zanimum (talk) 20:22, 1 February 2012 (UTC)
- ALT2: ...
- I'm fine with the alt, if that's what we go with. 13 does indeed agree with the hook, come to think of it. ("Shanahan again offered to sell the costume and copyrights, an offer which the club denied.") The market research thing... I don't doubt it, but being only a passing sentence on the CBC Sports site, I wonder if it was extrapolation of what was indeed known about the replacement. For some reason, I could only find a reference in 1999 to the ejection, in the Star back issues. Weird, since it was a bit of a big news thing when it happened. Another possible hook would be...