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The result was: promoted by Hawkeye7 (talk) 20:50, 27 September 2014 (UTC)

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Knockeen Dolmen

  • Reviewed: Minor White
  • Comment: Just a new article about a lovely big rock monument in ireland

Created by RTG (talk). Self nominated at 21:52, 4 September 2014 (UTC).

  • Comment I would need some advice about hover text. The guides on alt text do not seem to cover it. ~ R.T.G 00:03, 6 September 2014 (UTC)
  • @RTG: New enough, long enough, no copyvio. 3rd paragraph is uncited and there are places with promotional phrases like "most impressive megalith", "picturesque structure of international renown", and "interesting". If these are quotes from other sources, they should be put in quotes. --Jakob (talk) 20:40, 9 September 2014 (UTC)
  • Oh it really is the most impressive one, it is almost four meters in height shadowing all of the others in the local region, and it does actually say "an impressive sight" on cite 4here, only I have used my own wording, (another quote, first sentence "Knockeen portal tomb in County Waterford is undoubtedly one of the finest examples of Dolmen in Ireland." and it really is, the picture looks cute, the stone itself is like the side of a house) and it is quoted as internationally renowned on the first sentence here, and for the interesting, "This capstone is of particular interest, having three distinct grooves/slots cut into its upper surface towards the SW facing side.", and he goes on to describe the different things the carvings might have been for and what ones look modern and so onhere The third paragraph was originally part of the fourth. I have now repeated the citation. ~ R.T.G 21:23, 9 September 2014 (UTC)@Jakec: should leave you the note ~ R.T.G 22:17, 9 September 2014 (UTC)
  • @RTG: the unreferenced paragraph is fixed now, but the phrases taken directly from sources should be in quotes. The sentence that contains a hook should also be immediately followed by a citation. --Jakob (talk) 14:22, 10 September 2014 (UTC)
  • @Jakec:}The entire text is in my own words. None of this sources have statements of historical significance, vis a vis, none of them are quotable on individual statements. ~ R.T.G 14:25, 10 September 2014 (UTC)
  • QUOTE is about reproducing original wording, not individual words. ~ R.T.G 14:46, 10 September 2014 (UTC)
  • @RTG: The hook still needs to be directly cited. --Jakob (talk) 22:09, 10 September 2014 (UTC)
  • Okay, let's go with ALT1. --Jakob (talk) 11:18, 11 September 2014 (UTC)
  • Yay! :P ~ R.T.G 11:24, 11 September 2014 (UTC)
  • Sorry, saying that something is famous, isn't hooky. Yoninah (talk) 21:59, 18 September 2014 (UTC)
Well there is a quote something like, it might be the "finest" example of dolmen in Ireland... something to that effect... but it's a might or a maybe..
  • ALT2 " ... that the Knockeen Portal Tomb (pictured) is one of the finest examples of dolmen in Ireland? " (taking this hook may require a simple edit to the article), but it's there in the sources. ~ R.T.G 10:23, 22 September 2014 (UTC)
I have changed the text and ALT2 is available. ~ R.T.G 10:28, 22 September 2014 (UTC)
  • Reviewer needed for ALT2. Yoninah (talk) 21:37, 22 September 2014 (UTC)
  • @RTG: I understand that you are very excited about this monument, but you must write your articles for Wikipedia in a neutral tone and without puffery. It could be that since you were only citing travel guides, your writing took on an overly-promotional tone. I think it would be a good idea for you to search Google Books for more scholarly descriptions of the dolmen. I did a little research and added a few book sources, though more could certainly be added. I also did a thorough copyedit and restructured the article according to Wikipedia's Manual of Style. I removed a source that read like a blog, and noted that the Silent Stones ref, which also reads in a highly promotional manner, is a dead link, so you could either source that information to another reference, or delete it altogether. Regarding the hook, although ALT2 does seem promotional, interestingly enough, I think it's a good hook. We can proceed after you clean up the dead links and perhaps add additional information from reliable sources. Best, Yoninah (talk) 12:17, 23 September 2014 (UTC)
  • Thanks for your note; the Silent Stones website is indeed working again. I did some more copyediting and I believe it's now ready to go. New enough, long enough, adequately referenced, no close paraphrasing seen. Image is PD. This appears to be the nominator's 5th DYK, so no QPQ needed. (The QPQ that was submitted with this nomination did not conform with DYK requirements; please see the DYK Reviewing guide when you do your next QPQ.) ALT2 hook ref verified and cited inline. ALT2 good to go. Yoninah (talk) 21:45, 23 September 2014 (UTC)
  • Looks good cheers o/ ~ R.T.G 12:09, 24 September 2014 (UTC)
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