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The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: rejected by Allen3 talk 00:47, 24 January 2015 (UTC)
Insufficient progress toward resolving outstanding issues

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El Marino edit

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  • ... that El Marino, a newspaper published in 1917 in the beach resort of Pichilemu, Chile, resumed publications online in 2013?

Created by Diego Grez (talk). Self nominated at 15:29, 19 November 2014 (UTC).

Extended discussion on COI (nominator has since retired)
  • Comment: Possibly self-promotion (Diego Grez is the owner of El Marino) and WP:COI. --Sfs90 (talk) 03:21, 20 November 2014 (UTC)
  • Indeed, I am the owner of El Marino, and it's pretty much clear as my name appears on the article. However, I minimalized my role on the newspaper as much as I could. I asked some guys at #wikipedia-en-help, too, to check whether it was neutral or not; all of them concluded it was neutral. --Diego Grez (talk) 05:08, 20 November 2014 (UTC)
  • Comment. There appear to be no independent sources that suggest that there is any meaningful connection between the 1917 newspaper and the 2014 website. AndyTheGrump (talk) 02:28, 23 November 2014 (UTC)
  • As stated on the Good article review, there is a document from the National Library of Chile (which I can provide if requested) that states the 2013 website is the continuation of the 1917 publication. Anyway, the alternative hook is way better than the first suggestion. --Diego Grez (talk) 02:33, 23 November 2014 (UTC)
  • And would you care to inform us as to who is responsible for the creation of this document? Am I right in assuming that it has been created upon the request of a person wishing to register the fact that they are creating a website as a continuation of the 1917 newspaper, or for some similar bureaucratic purpose? I very much doubt that the Chilean bureaucracy documents such things spontaneously, just to pass the time of day... AndyTheGrump (talk) 02:40, 23 November 2014 (UTC)
  • Chilean law requires all newspapers and other publications to register before the National Library of Chile. How does one complete such registration? A document needs to be given to the provincial government (in this case, Cardenal Caro province government) containing the name of the publication, URL (if it's an online publication), names of the editor, sub-editor, proprietary, address, telephones, SSNs (RUTs), photocopies of the ID cards, and other notes if needed (in this case, notification that the online newspaper was the continuation of the 1917 publication, with official documents included). Once the people at the gobernación receive it, the Province Governor sends an official letter to the Director of the National Library of Chile, asking for the new media to be included in their registry. The National Library inspects upon the documents, and once they approve the inclusion, they request media proprietaries to deposit copies of their publications, a procedure called the depósito legal electrónico. Diego Grez (talk) 03:56, 23 November 2014 (UTC)
  • And it was you that performed this registration I presume? If so, this clearly isn't an independent source for anything. AndyTheGrump (talk) 04:00, 23 November 2014 (UTC)
  • Obviously, it was made by me. The document is a primary source and so I refrained from using it on the article, as stated on the GA review page. Diego Grez (talk) 04:04, 23 November 2014 (UTC)
The archiving at ANI was only because it's not really an ANI matter. That still leaves the fact that this has a very bad smell of using DYK for self-promotion. I'll say no more until others have a chance to look as well. EEng (talk) 15:15, 5 December 2014 (UTC)
What is the potential benefit a Spanish-language newspaper, based in a country where only the 4 per cent speaks English, could obtain by getting it published on the main page of the English Wikipedia? Based on my experience, on previous hooks published about Pichilemu, no more than two or three hundred people actually view the article during the day it appears on the main page. Diego Grez (talk) 15:57, 5 December 2014 (UTC)
  • Full review needed. The modern website has been removed from the article, so the original hook has been struck. What remains is an article about the 1917 newspaper and its publisher, and hook about that paper. BlueMoonset (talk) 19:24, 24 December 2014 (UTC)
  • Nomination was created just after the article was moved into mainspace. Article isn't an obvious copyvio and appears to be within policy. Article is long enough. The QPQ consisting of "Seems good to me" is hardly sufficient. And yet, Hawkeye7 promoted the hook in question and the nominator won't be returning, anyway. The hook (105 characters) is short enough but doesn't literally appear in the article; it's assumed since El Puerto was the first and presumably this is the second. The hook is sourced to pichilemunews. Chris Troutman (talk) 02:09, 19 January 2015 (UTC)
  • Chris troutman, based on the issues you raised—hook makes assumptions not specifically stated in article, and QPQ is far from meeting standards—I don't see how this can be approved. As such, given that the nominator is blocked and can't fix either issue, I'm marking it to be closed as unsuccessful. If anyone wants to address the issues before this closes, they are welcome to do so. BlueMoonset (talk) 00:00, 24 January 2015 (UTC)
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