- The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was: promoted by Theleekycauldron (talk) 02:28, 2 May 2022 (UTC)
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Anime song
- ... that anime song themes originally included the titles and characters of the show until after the 1970s? Source: 70 Seeds (article): 歌詞の中に作品のタイトルやキャラクターの固有名刺を使った物が多い中、キャラクターの心情や背景など、固有名刺を用いらないアニソンが増えていき、アニメと関係ない純粋な「音楽」としての評価もされ始めます。
5x expanded by Lullabying (talk). Self-nominated at 03:28, 25 March 2022 (UTC).
The article is long enough, free of copyright issues, and was nominated within seven days of its fivefold expansion. The hook is interesting and reliably sourced. Good to go.--NØ 12:46, 1 April 2022 (UTC)
- @Lullabying and MaranoFan: I'm struggling to find where this hook is present in the article. Can someone quote where this appears? Thanks. Z1720 (talk) 17:36, 8 April 2022 (UTC)
- Hmm, a bit embarrassing that I missed this. Waiting for Lullabying and then I'll reaffirm the tick.--NØ 17:47, 8 April 2022 (UTC)
- It's under the "1970-1980" section: While anime theme songs originally used the name and settings from the series of which they were based, this led to the lyrics of anime songs being centered on the characters' thoughts and feelings for more universal appeal and allowing for context outside of the original animated work. lullabying (talk) 03:19, 9 April 2022 (UTC)
- I'm going to suggest an ALT below that might fit better with the article text:
- ALT1 ... that by the 1970s, the lyrics of anime songs centered on the characters' thoughts and feelings?
- @Lullabying and MaranoFan: I could not find text in the article that said the themes anime song lyrics changed in the 1980s, so I think mentioning "until after the 1970s" might not work in this hook. Thoughts on ALT1? Z1720 (talk) 14:54, 9 April 2022 (UTC)
- The article talks about this in the 1970s section and the changes it went through during this time. lullabying (talk) 19:16, 12 April 2022 (UTC)
- @Z1720: how're ya feeling about this one? theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/they) 08:13, 13 April 2022 (UTC)
- @Lullabying: The article does not explicitly say what the hook is saying. The quote from the article that Lullabying cites above does not mention a change that happened after the 1970s where anime songs were no longer focused on the titles or the characters. I still have concerns about the hook and either a new hook should be proposed or more explicit language outlining these changes should be added to the article. Z1720 (talk) 17:08, 13 April 2022 (UTC)
no consensus for a hook yet; another one would be helpful theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/they) 02:31, 17 April 2022 (UTC)
- How about using the same source; ALT1: "... that anime song themes initially included the titles and characters of the show?" lullabying (talk) 21:05, 17 April 2022 (UTC)
- I think "used to" would be better, but I'll ping Z1720. theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/they) 21:53, 20 April 2022 (UTC)
- I agree with leeky, as the article does not speak about titles and characters being included in the theme songs in the 1950s. Used to might also be problamatic as it implies that characters and titles don't appear in theme songs anymore, which is also not accurate. Here are some ALT suggestions below:
- ALT2: ... that in the 1970s, anime song lyrics often centered on the characters' thoughts and feelings?
- @Lullabying and MaranoFan: Thoughts? Z1720 (talk) 00:10, 21 April 2022 (UTC)
- I agree with leeky, as the article does not speak about titles and characters being included in the theme songs in the 1950s. Used to might also be problamatic as it implies that characters and titles don't appear in theme songs anymore, which is also not accurate. Here are some ALT suggestions below:
- I think "used to" would be better, but I'll ping Z1720. theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/they) 21:53, 20 April 2022 (UTC)
- ALT2 implies that lyrics being centered on characters' thoughts and feelings were common but this is not true. The original source states that using titles and characters were common in the 1970s but lyrics focusing on thoughts and feelings were starting to become popular. The original article does also suggest that lyrics specifically mentioning character names and titles are no longer common in place of lyrics about feelings and thoughts as they are much more easy for non-anime fans to relate to. lullabying (talk) 20:58, 23 April 2022 (UTC)
- @Lullabying: can you suggest an ALT that would be in line with the sources? Z1720 (talk) 18:55, 24 April 2022 (UTC)
- ALT3: ... that in the 1970s, anime song lyrics centered on the characters' thoughts and feelings appealed to a wider audience? lullabying (talk) 01:56, 26 April 2022 (UTC)
- How about using the same source; ALT1: "... that anime song themes initially included the titles and characters of the show?" lullabying (talk) 21:05, 17 April 2022 (UTC)
- @Lullabying: The article does not explicitly say what the hook is saying. The quote from the article that Lullabying cites above does not mention a change that happened after the 1970s where anime songs were no longer focused on the titles or the characters. I still have concerns about the hook and either a new hook should be proposed or more explicit language outlining these changes should be added to the article. Z1720 (talk) 17:08, 13 April 2022 (UTC)
- @Z1720: how're ya feeling about this one? theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/they) 08:13, 13 April 2022 (UTC)
- The article talks about this in the 1970s section and the changes it went through during this time. lullabying (talk) 19:16, 12 April 2022 (UTC)
