Talk:Yuchi

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Needs expansion, sections, early history. There's plenty of good sources out there, although many websites leave much to be desired. Pfly 20:56, 22 June 2007 (UTC)

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Yuchi not Coyaha

How does a non Wikipedian argue for the above change?

jglanvil@blacksburg.net and www.holstonia.org

Second this, why on earth was this changed? Coyaha isn't even the most commonly used autonym. Tsoyaha is. But it shouldn't have been moved. Yuchitown (talk) 19:09, 2 February 2018 (UTC)Yuchitown

Requested move 2 February

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The result of the move request was: Moved. Reversing earlier undiscussed move, thus should've been requested at RMT (non-admin closure) –Ammarpad (talk) 22:07, 8 February 2018 (UTC)

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Coyaha people → Yuchi people – The move from Yuchi people to Coyaha people was not discussed. Coyaha is not even the most common autonym. Yuchi is the most commonly used term. Yuchitown (talk) 19:12, 2 February 2018 (UTC)

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Related peoples

User Yuchitown is accusing me of having a 'POV to promote a non-profit group' with whom I have nothing to do. Don't appreciate that and am trying to improve the article. The 'POV promotion' was a NBC article (which is generally considered reliable on WP) that linked the Yamasee tribe to the Yuchi. I will look for other sources that corroborate the claim. According to several sources, the Yuchi are originally considered to be part of the Mississippian or Mound Builder culture (which the Yamasee/Guale also were).

As far as 'related ethnic groups,' a Smithsonian study I found states they have no linguistic connection to the Muskogean language group, and I don't see any (specific/particular) original ethnic connection to the Muscogee Creek. Due to the tumult that resulted from European contact, some members were eventually absorbed into the 'civilized' Creek tribe which allowed them to gain federal recognition, but that in itself does not necessarily make them more ethnically related than they may be to other groups. Related ethnic groups generally refers to pre-European-contact relation, not post.WillieP100 (talk) 19:22, 10 June 2021 (UTC)

Yamasee were an amalgation of different tribes formed during the 17th and 18th centuries. No, Yuchi are not linguistically connected to anyone. However, from Indian Removal in the 1830s into the present, Yuchi people are part of the Muscogee (Creek) Nation; they are (with several individual exceptions of people of Yuchi descent enrolled in other tribes) collectively enrolled in the Muscogee (Creek) Nation. This relationship is spelled at length here. "Mound builder" isn't a culture; Mississippian is an archaeological term for a set of cultural traits in a set period. You are mixing apples and oranges. There are no time limits on "related ethnic groups." Yuchi people are widely intermarried with Muscogee people. Yuchitown (talk) 19:41, 10 June 2021 (UTC)Yuchitown

Ok, and Irish-Americans are widely intermarried with Italian-Americans, but that by itself doesn't imply a shared heritage. Many groups have been absorbed into larger or more powerful groups, but that doesn't mean they'd be said to share an origin (unless it was a very very long time ago, which this wasn't). It's a hard sell that there's a distinction between a 'set of cultural traits' and a culture, especially in this case when it's universally referred to as a culture. I'll keep it removed from related ethnic groups section until further substantiated. Regarding your reference to the reliable-source article, I'm not seeing any fundamental difference. That and Jackson are both academic sources published with academic journals/publishers. WillieP100 (talk) 20:01, 10 June 2021 (UTC)

Fringe beliefs

The idea that precontact Yuchi lived in southwestern Virginia and came from Cahokia is a fringe belief. www.holstonia.net is a self-published website by Jim Glanville, "a retired chemistry professor" from Virginia. Here is the reference, which did appear in the Historical Journal of Western Virginia, if anyone wants to peruse it: "The Yuchi Indians of Southwest Virginia and Their Roll" (PDF). Historical Journal of Western Virginia. 23 (1): 38–47. 2018. Retrieved 9 March 2022. Yuchitown (talk) 16:42, 4 June 2022 (UTC)Yuchitown

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