Talk:Yaroslav Hunka scandal
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“War criminal”
editThis article throws around the phrases “war criminal,” “suspected war criminal,” and “alleged war criminal” about the subject. But the subject is not a war criminal, nor an accused, alleged, nor suspected war criminal. This is a violation of WP:BIO.
It also Includes a quotation falsely accusing the subject of being a war criminal, without providing the context that it is false and possibly defamatory. Another violation. —Michael Z. 06:58, 25 December 2023 (UTC)
- What do you mean by "about the subject"? (Not a rhetorical question, please clarify.)—Alalch E. 12:46, 25 December 2023 (UTC)
- Thank you. Of course the person to whom WP:BLP does apply, not the main subject of this article. —Michael Z. 19:23, 25 December 2023 (UTC)
- If you are an SS soldier,you are a war criminal! 2600:8801:FB13:6B00:289D:E4A3:2EDA:6CE (talk) 07:30, 23 January 2024 (UTC)
- No one would volunteer for a group that deliberately mass murders Jewish and Polish people if they didn't hate those people. All SS were volunteers. These weren't ordinary people drafted into war. 203.145.94.239 (talk) 10:34, 11 May 2024 (UTC)
- I don't think your statement is reasonable. Is the group you are referring to the German Military? The SS? Or the Waffen-SS?
- The subject has not been found to be suspected or guilty of any war crimes at this point.
- The sources linked on this page do implicate elements of the Waffen-SS in war crimes against Jews (the Waffen-SS police units) and a regiment involved in the significant massacre of Polish civilians.
- The subject was not a member of any of the implicated elements of the Waffen-SS.
- The blanket ruling that any SS soldier = war criminal was overturned, with a strong argument.
- The volunteers that joined the Waffen-SS were Ukraninans in the distinct Waffen-SS goal was fighting for an independent Ukraine, against the USSR states including Russia and Poland.
- The listed sources even show that the Waffen-SS even had an altered wording regarding Hitler's role as the leader essentially to help liberate them from the severe rule by the USSR and it's satellite states.
- I think a much more realistic and less bigoted assumption based on the sources we have is that Hunka joined the Waffen-SS for the purposes of an indepdent Ukraine.
- This is consistent with how he has spent the rest of his life - strong Ukrainian identity in community and in advocacy as well.
- The President given him a standing ovation is an interesting and unfortunate error, but to me the glaring blunder is the apology to the Jewish people without anything said for the Poles massacred by members of the Waffen-SS amongst other Ukrainian groups. Simply astounding. Dwardyboy (talk) 17:55, 24 September 2024 (UTC)
- The President given him a standing ovation is an interesting and unfortunate error...
- I am not sure that was a error, or may be we just use different definitions of it. [1]
- By the way, based on your reasoning about Nazi SS, let me suggest to rename a couple of streets in honor of Hunka or other deserving Nazi collaborants, such as Roman Shukhevych, Stepan Bandera, etc.
The simple answer (talk) 08:29, 30 September 2024 (UTC)
- The President given him a standing ovation is an interesting and unfortunate error...
- No one would volunteer for a group that deliberately mass murders Jewish and Polish people if they didn't hate those people. All SS were volunteers. These weren't ordinary people drafted into war. 203.145.94.239 (talk) 10:34, 11 May 2024 (UTC)
Identification
editThe lede currently says "Hunka's membership in the Waffen-SS was identified almost immediately by historian Ivan Katchanovski, and reported initially by The Forward.[1]"
This is incorrect. The Forward article links to Ivan Katchanovski's Twitter thread, but this in turn links to the actual first identification, by Twitter user "NAFO is PEPE 2.0" @lingerence cagliost (talk) 20:19, 1 January 2024 (UTC)
- You are right. I have modified the text. Mhorg (talk) 11:45, 2 January 2024 (UTC)
References
- ^ Golinkin, Lev (2023-09-26). "Canada's House Speaker resigns over celebration of 98-year-old who fought in Nazi unit". The Forward. Retrieved 2023-12-27.
Zelenskyy apology
editDid Zelenskyy ever apologize for applauding him? 2600:8801:FB13:6B00:289D:E4A3:2EDA:6CE (talk) 07:26, 23 January 2024 (UTC)
- Why should he? He obeys the law "On the Legal Status and Honouring of the Memory of the Fighters for the Independence of Ukraine in the 20th Century", which was introduced in 2015 and obliges to honor the Nazi collaborators.
The simple answer (talk) 12:31, 28 September 2024 (UTC)
Edit Request: Badge "for Merits to Ternopil Region" (February 6, 2024)
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Need to correct the official date of the presented award (Badge "for Merits to Ternopil Region") to February 6, 2024 (not February 1, 2024)[1] Borisenko-ru (talk) 21:51, 23 March 2024 (UTC)
References
- ^ tor.gov.ua. "Тернопiльська Обласна Рада. Розпорядження Голови Обласної Ради від 06 лютого 2024 року № 22 м. Тернопіль" (in Ukrainian). Archived from the original on 2024-03-21. Retrieved 2024-03-21.
Include Poilievre in the standing ovation
editHunka received two standing ovations from all house members, including Canadian prime minister Justin Trudeau, other party leaders, and visiting Ukrainian president Volodymyr Zelenskyy.
Should be revised to say
Hunka received two standing ovations from all house members, including Canadian prime minister Justin Trudeau, the Leader of the Official Opposition Pierre Poilievre, other party leaders and visiting Ukrainian president Volodymyr Zelenskyy.
The Leader of the Opposition plays a special role in parliamentary democracy to keep the government accountable, and despite protesting later he did not perform in this role. Gelankin (talk) 15:51, 5 September 2024 (UTC)