Talk:Xena/Archive 1

Archive 1

Duplicate article?

There is already a page for Xena: Warrior Princess. Please add any information you have to that page. DJ Clayworth 19:13, 7 Apr 2004 (UTC)

• This is a page about the main character Xena from the television series. The other page is about the television series itself. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.127.146.130 (talk) 16:16, 3 June 2005 (UTC)

• I agree. This is the page for the character, whereas the other page is for the television series Artemisboy 00:54, 8 February 2006 (UTC)

• Xena has been over for like 5 years now. If you dont know she is dead, then why look up a detailed Bio? I suggest; Watch the show, mourn the loss, then look up her stats on the web. Almost any other website you go to will tell you the same. Altho I believe she will never die in the hearts of her fans! :) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.185.220.182 (talk) 15:48, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

Where are the anachronisms?????

This page deserves a list of anachronisms as Xena is the [re-]inventor of anachrony!!!!!!!!!!—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 200.106.79.71 (talk • contribs) .

That would certainly be interesting. Any takers to compile a list? Bards 16:37, 17 April 2006 (UTC)

The Pinch

So who taught her the pinch technique, M'Lila or Akemi? --DrBat 01:29, 20 May 2006 (UTC) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Main_Page M'Lila taught Xena. Xena taught Akemi. 02:10, 20 May 2006 (UTC)

Title change

It appears that the tenth planet could be officially named Xena. Any opinions about moving the page to Xena (character)?? Georgia guy 16:57, 24 June 2006 (UTC)

No way. Firstly, Xena won't be ther name of 2003 UB313 because it is the name of a fictional TV character that does not exist in Greek mythology, according to Wikipedia. Secondly , IF 2003 UB313 had been able to be named Xena it would be in recognition of the TV Xena, which gives a pretty good indication of which one should have an article named Xena. Moriori 02:39, 25 June 2006 (UTC)

Well, this means it makes sense to you that Jupiter (god) should be at Jupiter and the planet at Jupiter (planet). Georgia guy 13:53, 25 June 2006 (UTC)

Tee hee. Real time reality has to rule regarding precedence IMMHO, which is why I would prefer Xena and Xena (planet), and Jupiter and Jupiter (mythology). Articles about similarly named subjects should reflect reality too, or it it can be very confusing. Wikipedia has Kaka the chocolate biscuit, Kaká the footballer and Kākā the bird. But if you type in "Kaka" to find the biscuit you are taken straight to Kaká the footballer, where a disamb directs you to Kākā the bird and Kaka the biscuit which you discover resides at the Swedish Wiki. There is also a disamb to the folk dance kaka at a page yet to be created. So yes, I think article names should reflect reality, and real time reality. Moriori 08:00, 26 June 2006 (UTC)

Webisodes

This section needs to be cleaned up. There should also be a link to it.--DrBat 19:53, 30 July 2006 (UTC)

Dead?

Why does her status say "dead"? Does this refer to something like the fact that she isn't on any airing show anymore? Or does it mean she dies at the end of the series? Cause if it's the latter, it would be a spoiler. --Mithcoriel 23:15, 25 December 2006 (UTC)

I was EXTREMELY annoyed reading her status of being dead. I went to this webpage just curious to see how the article on Xena was like, and I was only in the middle of the 6th season when I read this spoiler. Something should be done about labelling the status of characters that way. I did not even see it coming; I was hoping the sidebar would be similar to X-men and mutants, listing their powers, NOT their statuses. (207.161.7.185 21:03, 23 February 2007 (UTC))

Xena outside the TV?

I added a small part on xena and the eventual movies which was deleted due lack of quotations, but still there is a story of xena outside TV; in the animated movie, the eventual live movie and the Dark Horse comics. If the televised period is on, there should also be a category for the adventures of the character outside the silver screen.

It'd make sense for this to be on the Xena: Warrior Princess entry as they are adaptations of the series and this is the character. I have previously discussed starting a new entry for the comics here [1] (Emperor 23:34, 24 February 2007 (UTC))

Suggestion to remove the "Status" portion of each Xena character

I'd do it myself but it will just get reverted. I have a suggestion to PLEASE remove the "Status: Dead" on each character bio in the Xenaverse. Someone who hasn't watched the series yet can determine the fate of Xena by going to this page. It is, after all, see-able once navigating to Xena's wikipedia page.

The page now has a spoiler tag at the top of the page, so if people read any further that's their choice.--NeilEvans 00:02, 26 February 2007 (UTC)

Is the Status of the character that important, on the sidebar? Such information should be found through detailed reading, and not by some summarizing sidebar (which, by the way, isn't even scrolled down enough NOT to accidentally see the information.

I have no strong view on this, except that to give away Xena's status as "dead" at the end of the show is by far the biggest shock that could be given to a fan. (NB the section at the top of this page about this) Perhaps Xena's status could be changed to "Classified" or something amusingly ambiguous. Bards 10:20, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

My opinion is don't read articles about things which may contain spoilers for you.--NeilEvans 22:25, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

Human?

The article states Xena's human, but that's not confirmed, is it? ~Zythe^{Talk to me!} 17:05, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

Neither is it stated that she is anything other than human.--NeilEvans 19:54, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

I know that. Some scripts and some cast interviews said she was Ares' daughter, but I guess it's all moot anyway.~Zythe^{Talk to me!} 20:52, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

Ted Raimi's Xena

After seeing Hudson Leick noted as an actor other than Lucy Lawless who has portrayed Xena, I remembered that Xena has also been portrayed by Ted Raimi (who usually plays Joxer), in the season 4 Episode Deja Vu All Over Again and season 6 episode Soul Possession. 79.75.51.196 21:52, 28 August 2007 (UTC)

War cry

Speaking as a bellydancer -- whenever I use the zaghareet, the ululation sound, you might hear from people of middle eastern descent in the same way the Greeks use "Opa" people call it the "Xena yell." It would be great if someone could mention that somewhere in the article. I don't know where to put it, and I really don't care enough to read the whole thing. Just throwing it out there. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.7.244.18 (talk) 03:06, 27 December 2007 (UTC)

Where are the Lesbians!?!?

I didn't watch this show that much but shouldn't there be a section added by someone in the know that deals with the lesbian undertones of Xena and Gabrielle. Come on, everyone knew something was happening there.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Docbrown777 (talk • contribs) .

This is a matter of interpretation. A lesbian relationship is seen by some viewers, and not by others. The writers of the show deliberately kept it ambiguous, and played on the idea, after discovering that they had a large lesbian fanbase. But there is no definitive proof one way or the other. Bards 16:33, 17 April 2006 (UTC)

Actually Lucy Lawless admits she thought they were lovers all along in an interview. Anaktoria (talk) 16:12, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

Mm-hm. In one episode, Xena and Gabrielle even kissed each other. Although, that was when Xena was dead and showed up in the body of another guy, so I guess Gabrielle was just so glad to see her. But still: they gently kissed with their mouths. --Mithcoriel 23:17, 25 December 2006 (UTC)

From reading various interviews, basically the writers deliberately kept hinting but just as deliberately refused to absolutely confirm it. Especially as the show wore on, there was plenty of fan services any time there was an excuse for a serious kiss, but always an excuse - one or the other was possessed, or confused, or giving medical aid. It would be nice of someone could find an explicit statement that they're avoiding confirming it. 71.41.210.146 06:34, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

Should there be a page about Xena Conventions?

What Mythology was Xena based on?

Bards, that isn't the point. Most things like this are unreferencable and don't belong because they are a matter of perspective, but there are published articles, I'm sure, and interviews with the cast and crew, that deal with this subject. Therefore that info meets the criteria to be in this article by wikipedia guidelines and policies. 66.41.66.213 22:12, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

In that case, the issue could be dicussed, presenting external links to support both points of view. I wasn't saying it should be excluded, only that is wasn't accepted as fact by everyone. [I've never had a conversation before, averaging 1 reply every 5 months :-) ] Bards 21:58, 26 February 2007 (UTC)

Xena (disambiguation) ?

There are four see also links at the top of this page. Isn't this a sign for a disambiguation page, perhaps leaving only a link to Xena: Warrior princess? --epsalon (talk) 19:23, 9 December 2007 (UTC)

I don't think so. The character Xena is surely the most notable example of the name. This should remain as such. If people want a disambiguation page "Xena (disambiguation)" should deal with the four links at the top of this page. I don't really feel the need for a separate disambiguation page, though.--NeilEvans (talk) 20:39, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

Yes, anything more than 2 is a good indication that a disambiguation page is needed. Done. -- JHunterJ (talk) 03:36, 16 February 2008 (UTC)

Played by actors other than Lucy Lawless

Was it necessary to include Ted Raimi, Bruce Campbell and Hudson Leick who "played" Xena? Anyone who has seen those episodes know that their respective characters were 'embodied' so to speak, by Xena 'inside them'. Anyone else have an opinion? --72.229.113.164 (talk) 15:33, 5 January 2008 (UTC)p4poetic--72.229.113.164 (talk) 15:33, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

Yeah I think you have a good point. Carl.bunderson (talk) 21:17, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

What happened to the pictures?

There were quite a few picture boxes here, and really 'filled' out the article, in lack of a better word. Its been there for as long as this page has existed actually; what happened to them? --p4 (talk) 21:51, 8 March 2008 (UTC)p4oetic--p4 (talk) 21:51, 8 March 2008 (UTC)

They violated the WP:NONFREE policy, which limits the use of non-free images. AnmaFinotera (talk) 23:49, 8 March 2008 (UTC)

I've submitted the issue to Wikipedia_talk:Non-free_content#Feedback_plz to get some outside opinions on the issue.--Father Goose (talk) 05:11, 9 March 2008 (UTC)

New Sections

The sections Personal Life and Skills and Powers should be added. Personal Life would be about the love life of Xena, and Skills and Powers would be on their skills and powers temporary and mystics. (Nighttemptation (talk) 20:45, 3 May 2008 (UTC))

I added a Powers and Abilities section. Seemed appropriate since a lot of fictional characters (for example, every Buffyverse character who has their own article). Could use fleshing out a little more from someone with more knowledge of the character, but definitely should have a spot in the article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.43.78.221 (talk) 10:26, 27 August 2008 (UTC)

Removed - it was completely unsourced and WP:OR. See also the character article section of WP:MOSTV. -- AnmaFinotera (talk · contribs) 12:51, 27 August 2008 (UTC)

Well then, why don't you go delete the similar sections on every other character? Most of the information I provided was simply common knowledge and easy to source with episodes, I don't see the need to delete it when it could have simply been edited to be improved and include references. Why couldn't you just stick a "citation needed" on or something? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.43.78.221 (talk) 13:51, 28 August 2008 (UTC)

Princess Xenon

Shouldn't this article include something about the real person that this character was based on, princess xenon (or was it zenon, or xeno, or???) Family Guy Guy (talk) 20:29, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

Where has that ever been stated to be the case?--NeilEvans (talk) 21:16, 31 May 2008 (UTC)

Creation of the other articles

Just like the articles for Aphrodite and Ares there should be separate ones made for the Zeus, Hades, Discord and any others of the Hercules - Xena universe or you could at least put the ones that weren't shown much in the minor characters list. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.197.173.200 (talk) 22:42, 18 June 2008 (UTC)

They are already covered in List of Hercules and Xena characters. -- AnmaFinotera (talk · contribs) 00:21, 19 June 2008 (UTC)

Oh ok, I see now, but perhaps you shoud consider serparate articles for some of them. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.175.13.2 (talk) 10:07, 20 June 2008 (UTC)

No, they don't need separate articles. Too many characters from Xena that fail our notability guidelines for having articles already have them anyway. To have an article, a character should have real world notability, with significant coverage in multiple, third party reliable sources. -- AnmaFinotera (talk · contribs) 12:42, 20 June 2008 (UTC)

Oh I see now, ok well thanks for your help. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.175.13.2 (talk) 10:45, 27 June 2008 (UTC)

Why is there no Skills & Abilities section???

Xena is one of the most powerful fictional fighters known, why aren't any of her abilities allowed to shown? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.175.13.2 (talk) 08:54, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

Because this is not a fansite and such a section only encourages the addition of peoples personal opinions. Her abilities are briefly mentioned as part of her characterization and that is all that is necessary unless it a particular ability has significant coverage in real world, third party sources. -- AnmaFinotera (talk · contribs) 13:15, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

well ok I agree with that but you must admit, nobody's going to read all that just find out what she can do or they just might not have the time to. Thats why a quick summary of her abilities is needed. Like just putting what she can do in her info box. Have a look at this: Apocalypse, see this box for example. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.197.173.50 (talk) 10:26, 12 October 2008 (UTC)

No, a quick summaries of her abilities is not needed. Look at an FA or GA character article and you will not find such things. This is an encyclopedia, not a fansite. The focus of character articles are their real world notability and aspects, not the plot. -- AnmaFinotera (talk · contribs) 16:44, 12 October 2008 (UTC)

oh ok, I understand. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.202.182.53 (talk) 14:09, 14 October 2008 (UTC)

What are FA and GA? And what about characters like this? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buffy_Summers —Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.6.161.178 (talk • contribs) 12:28, October 23, 2008

GA = Good article, FA = Featured article. They are the top quality articles on Wikipedia to which all articles should aspire to be (FA being higher than GA). Buffy's article is a fairly good quality, though not GA (next below, B). Notice it has no skills/abilities section either, and is mostly from an out of universe perspective. It is closer to what this article should be. Here is a GA television character article to compare both to as well Libby (Lost). -- AnmaFinotera (talk · contribs) 17:48, 23 October 2008 (UTC)

The bulk of the show is based on the various skills and abilities Xena has accumulated over the years. Almost all of the episodes portray her skills as a warrior, tactician, and other significant abilities, as an essential part of her character. After all it Xena: Warrior Princess, her abilities makeup a significant portion of her character as she is often quoted as saying "I have mnay skills" which is one of her catchphrases (see Destiny). This should be incorporated into the article. 76.223.81.199 (talk) 06:28, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

That view is your personal opinion and original research, not a valid, sourced interpretation of the series (which many sources believe the show is based more on the relationship between Xena and Gabrielle, not their individual battle skills). -- AnmaFinotera (talk · contribs) 06:30, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

A small detail in "Character History"

The second to the last paragraph stated that Xena was in stasis for 25 years by Ares - her father. I don't think the "father" statement is accurate as it was merely "hypothesized" Ares was the father in the episode "The Furies" to simply confuse the Furies, Ares himself, and free Xena from the insanity that consumed her. By winning the challenge against Ares (as Xena claimed that if she indeed was the daughter of Ares, she could best him), and while she did, in the end Ares revealed that Xena couldn't possibly think he was indeed her father.

Now, I could be wrong, and that's fine, maybe a little clarification on that whole subject on the father figure. 66.214.29.110 (talk) 04:45, 29 December 2008 (UTC)Jet

Fatherhood?

Did they ever definitively state whether or not she really was Ares' daughter?--Marhawkman (talk) 11:48, 4 January 2009 (UTC)

It was hinted at but never stated, and Kevin Smith believed it himself (and even joked that it was triply incest with Ares/mother, Ares/Xena, Ares/Eve). The source is no longer in this article, however.~Zythe^{Talk to me!} 12:57, 8 January 2009 (UTC)

I might have to rummage through the old versions looking for it.--Marhawkman (talk) 12:30, 2 February 2009 (UTC)

Xena, A Princess?

I a bit confused. I remember watching one episode or movie where Xena was protrayed as royality and then later learned the special pressure point technique by an african-american looking gal.

Was she a princess at that time? Now that I read alittle about her orgins, she was not of royality. So what was left out?Armoredavian (talk) 06:06, 24 January 2009 (UTC)

It's been years since I've watched the show but she was originally called "warrior princess" by Lao Ma, during the tumult described between Ming Tzu and Lao Ma in the current paragraph 5 of Xena's biography. The title was meant as a cognomen to signify Lao Ma's desire for Xena to help her rule China in Lao Tzu's absence. I believe Lao Ma also gifted Xena with the Chakram at the time. --72.204.19.139 (talk) 22:46, 13 September 2009 (UTC)

Nope. Xena was give the Chakram By Ares. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.167.122.43 (talk) 16:03, 7 April 2010 (UTC)

Gaelic Egyptian Slave

Why is the gal that taught Xena considered a Gaelic? Gaels are caucasian. That's a trip. A celt is Scottish and Irish. I know about the celtic warriors traveling around and so on too. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Armoredavian (talk • contribs) 06:12, 24 January 2009 (UTC)

Interesting point. It could be the writers didn't have a clue what they were talking about. A dark skinned Gaelic? Hah! It'd be vaguely close to beleiveable if it was a Gaul instead. But even then it's pretty farfetched.--Marhawkman (talk) 12:30, 2 February 2009 (UTC)

It is actually stated that she is from "the land of the Pharaoh", meaning Egypt. The reason she is speaking Gaelic is presumably because she was being held as a slave in that area, so therefore learned the language of her masters.--NeilEvans (talk) 22:48, 6 February 2009 (UTC)

Simpsons Episode

It was incorrectly stated that Xena appeared in animated form on The Simpsons; this is incorrect. In fact one of the recurring gags within that episode is that it is NOT Xena who appears, but Lucy Lawless. (The very last shot of the episode shows Lawless flying through the air holding Bart and Lisa....lisaa...... Lisa then quips "Wait a minute...Xena can't fly!" to which Lawless replies "I told you, I'm not Xena; I'm Lucy Lawless!"). I've changed the article to reflect this. CouplandForever (talk) 06:55, 21 February 2009 (UTC)

Creation and Conception

"Xena is a role-model as a strong sexy woman, bringing men to their knees in battle and she influenced many women to do the same."

The heck?? Is this passage saying that she motivated more women to engage men in hand-to-hand combat, or that she influenced them to try harder in such combats? Either way, I must have missed this completely. Is there a lot of that going on these days? —Preceding unsigned comment added by BurkeDevlin (talk • contribs) 17:39, 10 April 2009 (UTC)

Chakram

There isn't much about the Chakram in the article, and I guess it would be nice to have some more info (if it exists). It's a magical ("smart") weapon, also it obviously cannot be wielded by anyone, so a bit about its origin and properties, and who exactly and why can wield it would be nice to have... Arny (talk) 08:54, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

Funny end-notes

Every episode has a funny note on the end credits, one that parodies the usual "No animals were harmed during the production of this motion picture" and company. Examples being:

• No flesh-eating crabs were harmed during the production of this motion picture
• Gabrielle's pride was harmed during the production of this motion picture (I think this is not an exact line, but there were many similar like "<somebody>'s honor was restored during the production of this motion picture" etc.)
• Xena was permanently harmed during the production of this motion picture, but she kept her spirits high (from the last episode)

There were many more, as I mentioned before, there is one per each episode.

I guess perhaps this could be mentioned in the article..? Arny (talk) 09:02, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

Wouldn't it make more sense to put that in the show's article? This is the article specifically on the character — Preceding unsigned comment added by 206.116.30.73 (talk) 03:59, 13 August 2011 (UTC)

GA Review

This review is transcluded from Talk:Xena/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: Astrocog (talk • contribs • count) 16:09, 4 September 2011 (UTC)

• Fail. - I would not recommend this page for GA status yet. It is not a bad article, but it needs work done:
  • Some of this page, such as the second paragraph in the Reception and legacy section, are copied directly from other sources. Whether or not the source is listed in the references, it is still not appropriate for text to be copied directly from other sources, unless it is a direct quote (and even those should be used sparingly). See Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2009-04-13/Dispatches for more information.
  • Much of the writing needs work, particularly in the Appearances and development section. Sentence structure is often confusing. For example, "Xena's subsequent life is marred by many tragedies. Her son Solan, who never came to know her as his mother, is killed, with the help of Callisto, by Hope, Gabrielle's demoniac child, and she nearly loses Gabrielle more than once." These two sentences should be broken up into a few more simple sentences. Separate out the loss of Xena's son from events involving Gabrielle. As it stands, it looks like nearly losing Gabrielle is directly connected with Xena's son being killed. The part which says "with the help of Callisto" is probably not necessary, and it only adds to my own confusion. This is just an example. The rest of the article has many such confusing and overly-complex sentences.
  • A small amount of prose in the Appearances section read like it is in-universe. Check your fiction. Make sure that everything is written from an out-of-universe perspective. When referring to an event that happened "year ago," it needs to be clear that it happened "years ago" in the Xena universe, not in reality.
  • Because Xena had some amount of popularity, I think there should be a lot more references. Newspaper and magazine reviews, for example. Currently, most of the references are to the show itself, and also from blogs and websites. Blogs and websites are at the bottom of what I would consider reliable sources. An article/journal database search can help with this. Contact me through my talk page if you would like advice or help finding these types of sources.
  • Some other minor issues, such as dabs and inconsistent English usage, can be seen here.

I encourage the editors of this page to fix the issues above, and reapply in the future. AstroCog (talk) 16:09, 4 September 2011 (UTC)