Talk:Wild water buffalo

Please Separate: 1) "WILD" Asian Water Buffalo from 2) "Domestic Asian Water Buffalo"

Please create a separate article for:

The actual common full name for it is "Wild Asian Water Buffalo", it is endangered (and it is little known outside wildlife circles), see IUCN Red List, while Domestic Asian Water Buffalo selectively bred for thousands of years is very famous and numbers in millions and has various livestock breeds. There are many breeds of domestic water buffalo.

Reference

• The IUCN Red list of threatened species classifies "Wild Water Buffalo" as "Endangered"
• Animal Info - Wild Asian (Water) Buffalo - Status: Endangered; By: Paul Massicot

Atulsnischal 00:52, 19 September 2007 (UTC)

Wild Asian Water Buffalo

Please develop this article whenever you all can find time, Thanks Atulsnischal 01:00, 19 September 2007 (UTC)

Rename

Article should be renamed to Asian Water Buffalo or just use the scientific name. The use of the word "wild" is anthropocentric and hideously POV. Otherwise, we'd just label every non-domesticated species article "wild xxxx". i.e. lion would be "wild lion", "wild goblin shark", "wild staphylococcus aureus" etc. Shrumster 22:44, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

I would tend to agree, it seems the standard is to name the wild species without a qualifier and the domesticated species with the qualifier Domestic.--Doug.^{(talk • contribs)} 04:00, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

See further discussion below under #Title of article. Richard New Forest (talk) 11:03, 15 June 2009 (UTC)

Comments re Cape Buffalo

just would like to make a comment. How come 25% of the topics content belongs to syncerus caffer? this thread is supposed to explain the biology of the water buffalo ONLY... And one more thing, expand the information - it seems that basing from given facts, the water buffalo is a most docile herbivore. This is false, as hunters rated it as one of the fiercest animal in all of Asia, in the wild state that is. It is just as dangerous towards man as it's african counterpart is. Note also that there are various subspecies of this animal. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.109.77.55 (talk) 00:35, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

I think you are referring to the Cape Buffalo, an entirely different genus. I do not believe the Asian Water Buffalo exists in the wild in Africa.--Doug.^{(talk • contribs)} 02:31, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

(re-adding comments that were posted over prior comments - Please do not refactor discussions)

Yeah, I was commenting on the fact that WHY DOES SYNCERUS CAFFER a.k.a. Cape buffalo makes up 25% of the article? I think it's quite obvious that this article should discuss the water buffalo only. Wild water buffaloes exist in the wild, you should have red the article.—Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.109.77.55 (talk • contribs) 06:07, 5 March 2008

Maybe I'm blind, but I see a single reference to the Cape Buffalo in the article, which does need to be cleaned up. The article is short but that one sentence doesn't seem to be to be 25%. If you see other references to the Cape Buffalo, or anything else that does not belong, Fixit!, please.--Doug.^{(talk • contribs)} 16:35, 5 March 2008 (UTC)

{{WPFarm}} - Yes, we really do want this tag here

Just so nobody tells me, I know that this is a different animal from the Domestic Water Buffalo, however, it is standard for WP:FARM to tag the talk pages of articles about the immediate wild ancestors of the various livestock species (thus Domestic Goose and Greylag Goose for another example).--Doug.^{(talk • contribs)} 02:10, 27 October 2007 (UTC)

Picture

If possible, please change the picture. The subject is specifically about the wild asian water buffalo wherein the animal depicted in picture is a domestic type of the murrah breed (Note the short up-curled horns).Tsinitoboy (talk) 05:52, 3 February 2009 (UTC)

Removal

I have removed the following: There is at least one record of a live buffalo being eaten by a giant goonch catfish. These fish grow to 200 cm and it's pretty inconceivable that any non-marine fish could be large enough to eat a live wild water buffalo. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sandhillcrane (talk • contribs) 17:59, 13 May 2009

References

Title of article

I have been unable to find a source for the name of this animal as currently used for the name of the article: Wild Asian Water Buffalo. For example, the IUCN gives the following alternative English names: "Asian Buffalo, Asiatic Buffalo, Indian Buffalo, Indian Water Buffalo, Water Buffalo, Wild Asian Buffalo, Wild Water Buffalo" – these do not include the name we are using. Most Google hits for "Wild Asian Water Buffalo" are for the Wikipedia article itself or derivatives.

I think the current name is unsatisfactory for several reasons:

• It is not in widespread use (a serious problem on its own).
• The word "Asian" is superfluous: there are no native wild water buffalos elsewhere.
• It does not match the sibling article for the domesticated form of the species, Water Buffalo.
• It is unnecessarily long.

I suggest that we change the article title to a name which is more widely used. Of the IUCN names, several refer to the species as a whole, including the domestic water buffalo, and these would be ambiguous. Contrary to the views expressed above, we do need to include the word "wild", to distinguish from the article about the domestic animal, which is just Water Buffalo.

I can't see what's wrong with "Wild Water Buffalo": it's accurate, it matches the sibling article Water Buffalo, and it's a name actually in widespread use.

Any thoughts? Any other suggestions? Richard New Forest (talk) 11:03, 15 June 2009 (UTC)

No comments for over a month, so I've made the change. Richard New Forest (talk) 12:54, 23 July 2009 (UTC)

Grass and Wheat

The article says that the WWB eats grass and wheat. First of all, wheat is a grass. Secondly, I don't think there is much, if any, wheat growing in the WWB's range. Did someone misunderstand "weeds?" 65.79.173.135 (talk) 15:20, 30 June 2010 (UTC)Will in New Haven65.79.173.135 (talk) 15:20, 30 June 2010 (UTC)

height?

found all kinds of measurements but not height--Inayity (talk) 14:11, 26 September 2013 (UTC)

Situation in Vietnam

In 1974, I personally observed a small group of Wild Water Buffaloes in the highlands of central Vietnam, quite in altitude and remote from any water spot or human habitat. In 2005, a joint French-Vietnamese official plan was launched to protect three most endangered species: Gaur, Banteng, and Wild Water Buffalo (http://www.cirad.fr/publications-ressources/science-pour-tous/rapports-annuels/rapport-annuel-le-cirad-en-2006/preserver/sauvegarder-les-especes-animales-menacees-au-vietnam).

The IUCN report actually says “Wild Water Buffalo is probably extinct in Viet Nam”, contradicting other scientific observations, as well as the protection status provided by the Vietnamese government: “Viet Nam. Le buffle d'eau sauvage bénéficie d'une protection intégrale en vertu du décret (no 18) du Conseil des ministres déterminant la liste des espèces de flore et de faune forestière rares et précieuses et les réglementations applicables à leur gestion et protection (17 janvier 1992); et aux termes des instructions du premier ministre concernant la gestion et la protection des espèces de flore et de faune rares et précieuses (27 mars 1993) (A. Rosser in litt. à S. Hedges, juillet 1996).”

Also: “En Indochine, la situation est moins claire. Le Laos, le Cambodge, et le Viet Nam ne font pas partie de l'aire de répartition du buffle sauvage d'après Corbet et Hill (1992)) mais Honacki et autres auteurs (1982) incluent l'Indochine dans l'aire de répartition de l'espèce. Des buffles vivant en liberté ou d'ascendance inconnue se trouvent dans toute la région (Laurie et autres auteurs, 1989; Salter et autres auteurs, 1990; Salter, 1993); MacKinnon et MacKinnon (1986) incluent le buffle sauvage dans les listes d'espèces des aires protégées au Cambodge et au Viet Nam.” (https://cites.org/fra/cop/10/prop/F10-37.pdf - Convention on International Trade in Endangered Species of Wild Fauna and Flora / amendment proposal to Appendices 2 & 3). Sorry for the French; could not find the English version F3promo (talk) 22:42, 11 August 2016 (UTC)

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The Latin name

The Latin name must be Bubalus arnee arnee. --გიო ოქრო 13:50, 11 October 2017 (UTC)

Chromosomes

According to Water buffalo, "[t]he swamp buffalo has 48 chromosomes; the river buffalo has 50 chromosomes." How many does the wild water buffalo have? 104.153.40.58 (talk) 14:21, 19 May 2021 (UTC)