Talk:WWE Hall of Fame/Archive 2

2015

It's necesary to wait until the night before WM to include them as part of the HOF? WWE.com lists Savage in the Hall of Fame section --HHH Pedrigree (talk) 11:19, 13 January 2015 (UTC)

Once WWE lists somebody in the HOF section of the WWE.com roster, that means they're in...the ceremony is just for show. Vjmlhds (talk) 03:54, 14 January 2015 (UTC)

You've both been around here for a while, so you should both know better. Since when do we take the WWE's word for iron law? If we did, our history sections would be way off reality. It's how we do things here at Wikipedia, it's easier to bunch the 2015 guys in one section, and updating the totals as they happen can lead to confusion and snap updates. Besides, their graphics say "to be inducted by", in regards to the inductors. As unlikely as it seems that someone would be removed, lets not forget that this is the company that changes their minds constantly after advertising things. In a few months it won't matter anyway, so let it be. -- Scorpion⁰⁴²² 15:46, 18 January 2015 (UTC)

I agree with Scorpion. I'm not disputing that WWE has the authority to decide when these guys get in, even they say he won't be inducted until the night before WrestleMania. I'm guessing their bios are moved to the HOF section on a technicality... they don't have a "To be inducted" section like we do.LM2000 (talk) 19:04, 18 January 2015 (UTC)

However, Savage profile was moved to WWE Hall of Fame section and Career Highlights includes 2015 Hall of Fame inductee. http://www.wwe.com/superstars/randysavage Even if the ceremony is in a few months, he is a hall of famer.--HHH Pedrigree (talk) 20:18, 20 January 2015 (UTC)

Master of ceremonies

Was thinking of adding at table in the list of ceremonies with all the hall of fame hosts. Any thoughts? MB1972 (talk) 23:35, 13 March 2015 (UTC)

The Bushwackers Induction

John Laurinaitis will induct the duo into the WWE Hall of Fame Class of 2015. Why are you continuing to remove this part of Article? 82.59.66.20 (talk) 11:10, 17 March 2015 (UTC)

Because nobody has verified this claim. Do you have a source?LM2000 (talk) 22:15, 17 March 2015 (UTC)

I've read that in some sites. 82.61.167.219 (talk) 09:48, 18 March 2015 (UTC)

Pedro Morales' absence

Although claims that he was absent at the Hall of Fame ceremony in 1995 have been picked up on some unreliable sites, I haven't have a reliable source that makes that claim. Part of the ceremony is on the WWE Network, they claim Morales was there but they lost the footage of his speech. They did air photographs of him at the ceremony though. If nobody can produce a reliable source to support the claim then I'll be removing it at some point.LM2000 (talk) 03:03, 28 May 2015 (UTC)

Too late, already gone. Some unsourced stuff isn't that bad, but when it's implying stuff about living people, waiting doesn't make a lot of sense. Source first, then claim. InedibleHulk (talk) 03:59, 28 May 2015 (UTC)

I'm in awe of your boldness, Hulk.LM2000 (talk) 05:02, 28 May 2015 (UTC)

It's not hard to be awesome. I recommend we all try it. InedibleHulk (talk) 23:08, 28 May 2015 (UTC)

I was mistaken. Pedro Morales was present at the ceremony. WWE claims that there is no footage of his speech, though there is footage of Savio Vega speaking on his behalf. The fact remains that he was present at the ceremony, so you were right to remove this material. Grammarian10 (talk) 05:34, 28 May 2015 (UTC)

Question

Why was Hogan removed from the list here? Has the WWE released a statement about this yet? Just curious is all. --DSA510 Pls No Level Up 16:30, 24 July 2015 (UTC)

Someone has since since restored it. He was removed from WWEs online page, which should not necessarily be equated with removed from the HOF itself.[1]—Bagumba (talk) 18:06, 24 July 2015 (UTC)

Ah, I noticed that, thanks for answering though. --DSA510 Pls No Level Up 18:21, 24 July 2015 (UTC)

WWE has not announced that his Hall of Fame honors have been rescinded, we should not be removing him until we get confirmation that they actually removed him. Even if he is removed we will still need to include him somewhere in the article as he was inducted and remained a Hall of Famer for a decade.LM2000 (talk) 23:02, 24 July 2015 (UTC)

He should be removed in my opinion, as WWE have done the same, and it's been made public, but as there's no announcement I can see where you're coming from, I still vote for his removal though.Corabal (talk) 17:32, 25 July 2015 (UTC)

"Hulk Hogan, we comin' for you, nigga!!!" *COUGH COUGH* You know, it's one thing for historical revisionism to be rampant on the Internet and in the WWE Universe. It's another thing for Wikipedia to reflect that historical revisionism simply because someone found something lying around on some website somewhere. Unfortunately, it's already happening. Wikipedia has allowed itself to be a party to the Confederate flag "ethnic cleansing", so why not this affair which I'm sure far fewer people care about? RadioKAOS / Talk to me, Billy / Transmissions 20:57, 26 July 2015 (UTC)

"And this bird you cannot chay-ee-ay-ee-ay-ee-ay-ee-ange!" InedibleHulk (talk) 22:44, 26 July 2015 (UTC)

Criticism section

Would anybody object to blanking this shit? Every criticism is several years old and WWE has met nearly every criticism mentioned. Bruno, Warrior, and Backlund have been inducted; Superstar Billy Graham is back on good terms with them; The Post and Courier source complains that Savage and Bruno weren't in yet in 2012. Dave Scherer is apprehensive about the future of the Hall because the inductees since 2004 have been of such an awesome caliber... that's basically praising the job they've done for 12 years. The section is totally useless, violates NPOV, and is horribly outdated. Off with its head.LM2000 (talk) 09:00, 20 January 2016 (UTC)

Doesn't matter about the timescale. The point of the section should be to show all sides, that includes any negative comments. Removal is not neutral point of view since the article then appears as if there was never any issues, when there have been and still are.--WillC 09:25, 20 January 2016 (UTC)

It's neutral and balanced now. Still wouldn't mind seeing the section go away though.LM2000 (talk) 11:46, 20 January 2016 (UTC)

There is some more stuff to balance it out. Perhaps add something where someone notes that the WWE has made positive strides in recent years. That is what is done in the criticism section for Hockey Hall of Fame, which is a FA. There is more stuff that could be added here as well, such as the (valid) criticism that it's about marketing and merchandise and ignores the greats from eras and promotions they don't own video footage for (ie. Lou Thesz). -- Scorpion⁰⁴²² 15:40, 20 January 2016 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 26 January 2016

I heard on a website that the 2016 HOF inductees are Sting, John "Bradshaw" Layfield, Regis Philbin, Jacquelyn, Papa Shango/The Godfather/Kama & the tag team The Freebirds. 2605:6000:3F05:2800:CD0C:DD21:85B5:2875 (talk) 00:45, 26 January 2016 (UTC)

 Not done Rumors from dubious sources, I believe the rumor originated from What Culture which WP:PW/RS lists as totally unreliable. We add inductees once they are officially confirmed by WWE.LM2000 (talk) 00:54, 26 January 2016 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 5 February 2016

Add Jacquelyn Regis Philbin The Godfather Freebirds

2605:6000:3F05:2800:CD27:EB17:A076:E117 (talk) 23:26, 5 February 2016 (UTC)

 Not done Not until/unless WWE officially announces them.LM2000 (talk) 00:21, 6 February 2016 (UTC)

The Valiant Brothers

The Valiant Bros. are two times tag team champions. Once in 1974 and then again in 1979. The list of their accomplishments mentions once. Bill Koby (talk) 06:28, 12 March 2016 (UTC)

Stan Hansen

Please add former AWA Champion Stan Hansen to the list of 2016 inductees. The news has broken out all over the web.50.136.139.204 (talk) 16:10, 21 March 2016 (UTC)

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Warrior Award

Just to make thing's clear, as per the reference on the article, WWE considers Warrior Award recipients as HOF inductees. Basically, this is like another "wing" of the HOF a la the "celebrity wing".

At the end of the day, it's their award, and their HOF, so if they want to consider somebody as an inductee, then we just gotta go with it.

Vjmlhds (talk) 04:24, 10 March 2015 (UTC)

I've scanned the WWE.com article and press release and there's very little to support your claim. In fact, the article makes it clear "which will be presented each year at the WWE Hall of Fame Induction Ceremony." It doesn't say induction. There's a quote from Vince ("I can think of no better way to honor Connor, than by recognizing him with our highest honor, the first fan to be inducted into the WWE Hall of Fame, as a Warrior"), but that could just be Vince being Vince.

This is not uncommon, there are other Halls of Fame that have awards but don't consider the recipients inductees, for example the Hockey Hall of Fame has an award for journalists. Also, Connor is not included in the Hall of Fame section. For the time being, wait. If things change then so can we, but for the time being there is no clear evidence backing you up. -- Scorpion⁰⁴²² 11:59, 10 March 2015 (UTC)

I interpreted it the same as Vjm. I think that Vince is clear; Connor is getting an induction, as a "Warrior". I don't think that WWE.com would have printed that had Vince misspoke. USA Today seems to have the same interpretation, they use the word "inducted" as well.LM2000 (talk) 13:10, 10 March 2015 (UTC)

USA Today doesn't know anything. Like you guys, they are making assumptions. Lets take a look at the evidence that we actually have:

• Connor is a full inductee arguments
  • Vince's quote: "I can think of no better way to honor Connor, than by recognizing him with our highest honor, the first fan to be inducted into the WWE Hall of Fame, as a Warrior" (If you want to get technical, he mis-spoke anyway, because this isn't about honouring superfans, its about courageous ones)
  • Trips and Steph's tweets: I don't put too much stock into anything that limits one to under 200 characters. I'd also like to point out that there's a very good chance those tweets came from assistants and not those two themselves.
  • The USA Today article. Believe it or not, they actually know no more than we do. They're basing the article on the press release and are re-reporting what Steph and Trips tweeting. I highly doubt they did any original research into this, so the article confirms nothing.
• Connor is not a full inductee arguments
  • First line of the WWE.com article: "will be the first-ever recipient of the Warrior Award, which will be presented each year at the WWE Hall of Fame Induction Ceremony." If he was a full inductee, would it not just say that?
  • He's not included in the Hall of Fame bios section. (I guess you could argue that they simply don't have one ready, but the WWE almost always has the bios up within an hour of the announcement)
  • At the main page for the Hall of Fame has a section called "Class of 2015 inductees" which includes all five announced people, but not Connor.
  • There isn't one of those fancy inductee graphics for him.

In short, we don't know enough but the evidence points towards the nay. Hey, if I'm wrong I'll be the first to admit it, but until we know for sure let's hold off on calling him a full inductee and use the wording that the WWE itself uses: He's getting an award at the ceremony. -- Scorpion⁰⁴²² 14:14, 10 March 2015 (UTC)

• If you look at the USA Today story, both HHH and Stephanie also refer to Connor as an HOF inductee, so you can't call it a "misspeak" on Vince's part. Bottom line if the top 3 honchos in WWE all call it an induction, who are we to argue...after all, it's thier HOF. Vjmlhds (talk) 14:19, 10 March 2015 (UTC)
  • I was just fixing my argument to address those points but you got to it first. At best everything is contradictory so we should hold off. Also, all three head honchos have said that Triple H played a huge role in killing WCW and he was the top guy while Sting was top guy in WCW, neither of which is even close to being true. I don't put a lot of stock in what they say. -- Scorpion⁰⁴²² 14:24, 10 March 2015 (UTC)
    • The McMahons don't have a say in who killed WCW but they do have a say in what is going on in their Hall of Fame. This "induction" is certainly unusual but I think that their statements are enough for us to consider it a de facto one until we get further clarification. LM2000 (talk) 14:35, 10 March 2015 (UTC)
      • I won't revert any edits if you report what we know: McMahons say one thing, WWE.com says something else. But that seems rather pointless. It really would be preferable just to say nothing about full induction status until we know for certain. It's not like the current text says he's NOT an inductee, it just says he's getting an award. -- Scorpion⁰⁴²² 14:39, 10 March 2015 (UTC)

This should put this to bed. Vjmlhds (talk) 14:42, 10 March 2015 (UTC)

It's a start, but again WWE.com says something else. Like I said above, I won't revert any edits if you specifically mention the contradictions, but I don't see the point of it (especially since the text doesn't say he's not an inductee). Once the ceremony has come and gone we'll know for sure. -- Scorpion⁰⁴²² 14:49, 10 March 2015 (UTC)

Nothing WWE (or any other source) has said indicates that Connor isn't an inductee. Everything from USA Today, to BuzzFeed, to WWE's twitter page, to Vince, HHH, and Stephanie themselves have called it an induction. Vjmlhds (talk) 14:58, 10 March 2015 (UTC)

Except WWE's own website which doesn't include him in any of the official inductee sections, and the press release which specifically does not say he's a full inductee. I'd rather the section said nothing about it, but if you can't wait we might as well be honest and say sources vary. -- Scorpion⁰⁴²² 15:00, 10 March 2015 (UTC)

WWE.com never said that he wasn't an inductee, and numerous sources has said yes...they argument isn't whether anybody said he WAS, but who says he ISN'T...Nobody has said he ISN'T. Vjmlhds (talk) 15:08, 10 March 2015 (UTC)

Alright, I fixed the section to say exactly what we know. It looks terrible, but you're the one who can't wait a few weeks. -- Scorpion⁰⁴²² 15:11, 10 March 2015 (UTC)

What we know is that WWE themselves call him an inductee, they made a graphic for him calling him an inductee, and put it on their TV show and on their twitter page (and on WWE.com in the video section). A newspaper and a website (with no ties to WWE) called it an induction, and the top 3 honchos in WWE have called it an induction. The only one who isn't is you, and it's really starting to look like you're grasping at straws. Vjmlhds (talk) 15:24, 10 March 2015 (UTC)

I still agree with Vjm. This isn't even a "sources vary" issue, no sources say he isn't an inductee while others explicitly say that he is. It's possible that they could issue a press release later on clarifying that he isn't an inductee. If that happens then sources will actually vary and we'll have something to talk about.LM2000 (talk) 15:25, 10 March 2015 (UTC)

I've already countered a lot of your claims actually. Did USA Today call it an induction? Yes. But I've found several others which do not say that. You see, Newspapers are like Wikipedia, they just report what the press releases say and add a little speculation. You keep forgetting what WWE.com says, and for as long as they counter your claim, I'm going to continue to add it. Let's try a compromise. I've re-worded it to show precisely what we know. Vince McMahon says he's an inductee, but this is not reflected by the website. -- Scorpion⁰⁴²² 15:28, 10 March 2015 (UTC)

I understand your bias on Twitter's limit on characters, check out Stephanie McMahon's extended statement to The Washington Post. Oh yea, the Post says that he is to be inducted too.LM2000 (talk) 15:43, 10 March 2015 (UTC)

If a source ever does come out which does contradict his status as an inductee I will revert myself on that edit to the template.LM2000 (talk) 15:48, 10 March 2015 (UTC)

Interesting, that Stephanie McMahon quote is the exact same one that was originally attributed to Vince on WWE.com, but they've removed his name from it there now. Like I said previously, I have no problem with citing these sources, as long as you also make it clear that we don't know for sure. I should also point out that WWE may simply consider this a category. For example, the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame has multiple categories where "Performers" is considered the big one, but they have various other ones of varying importance. -- Scorpion⁰⁴²² 15:50, 10 March 2015 (UTC)

Yea, Vjm compared it to the "celebrity wing" which I what I thought of as well. The general wrestlers wing is clearly the big one, I don't think anybody thinks that is what Connor is going to be honored with. Most of the sources clarify that he's being inducted "as a Warrior", that's significant. Unless we reorganize the template I don't think we can reflect that there but I think the layout of the article makes the distinction pretty well.LM2000 (talk) 15:57, 10 March 2015 (UTC)

Scorpion...you are WAY over-thinking this. You act like Vince, Stephanie, HHH, Monday Night Raw, WWE.com, and WWE's twitter page are all separate entities. They're not. At the end of the day, they're all under the WWE banner, and if anything under the WWE bannner say he's an inductee, then he's an inductee. USA Today, The Washington Post, and Buzzfeed - 3 separate outside entities also refer to this as an induction. What we don't have is a source which says this isn't an induction. I'm sorry, but this really is turning into a "needle in a haystack" argument on your behalf. Numerous sources say yes, zero sources say no, and you're trying to translate any trace of ambiguity into a no. WWE is tripping all over themselves calling this an induction, and the best argument you have is "well, it isn't explicitly stated in this specific section on WWE.com. This is like seeing a foot of snow on the ground, but because you didn't witness the snow falling out of the sky, you're questioning if it snowed. Vjmlhds (talk) 17:50, 10 March 2015 (UTC)

You aren't going to process this, but I'll explain it anyway. As it turns out, the quote was from Stephanie, NOT Vince. All of of these "sources" you keep citing amount to one source because its all based on one thing - the WWE.com article. The USA Today article only quotes it. The Washington Post article only quotes it. You can claim you have all these sources on your side but the reality is that you have two tweets and a quote from Stephanie McMahon in a WWE.com article that also contradicts itself because it earlier says Connor is an award recipient. The text of this article does not (NOT!) say he isn't or won't being inducted, nor did I ever want it to say he wasn't (as you won't recall, I argued that we should wait until we know for sure). It simply lays out the facts that we know: The one article claims he will be, but he hasn't been included in any official induction material. Wikipedia is about what is verifiable, and as such we need to note the discrepancy amongst WWE's own sources. Since you are completely unwilling to accept the compromise of noting the contradiction, I think we should just take the whole sentence out and not include any mention of whether or not he's an inductee until after the ceremony. -- Scorpion⁰⁴²² 18:13, 10 March 2015 (UTC)

https://www.facebook.com/OfficialUltimateWarrior/photos/a.233574443331890.59866.231574830198518/886547014701293/?type=1&fref=nf

According to Warrior's official Facebook page Connor is indeed a WWE Hall of Fame Inductee. JCW555 (talk) 17:55, 10 March 2015 (UTC)

(Comment from uninvolved editor) I removed this from the third opinion noticeboard because it is a dispute between more than two editors. Consider other methods of dispute resolution. Erpert ^{blah, blah, blah...} 03:36, 11 March 2015 (UTC)

@DaveA2424: is free discuss rather than edit war if he wants to.LM2000 (talk) 06:00, 2 April 2016 (UTC)

@LM2000: @Scorpion0422: I'm simply utilising the information that I have at my disposal, which indicates that Warrior Award recipients are most definitely WWE Hall of Fame inductees. What I am trying to do is prevent inaccurate information being contributed to the wiki page and I feel that Scorpion0422 is contributing inaccurate information just so that he can have his way. I have been looking through his interactions with other Wikipedia users and it is clear that all he wants to do is harass other users and administer some kind of authority over them. I have asked him many times to stop harassing other users and to mind his own business but he refuses to do so. All of this feels like somewhat of a waste of time anyway because Joan Lunden will be moved to the Warrior Award section of the WWE Hall of Fame wiki page after the ceremony, regardless of where she is an inductee or not. DaveA2424 (talk) 12:54, 2 April 2016 (UTC)

@LM2000: @Scorpion0422: In addition, it is clear that we have reached a stalemate on this issue and I feel that it would be best for us to simply agree to disagree and continue on in the best interests of the wiki. I have decided to allow your edit to remain in order to put an end to the edit warring, although I have edited it slightly. As we have already said, all of this will be somewhat of a moot point after the 2016 WWE Hall of Fame ceremony. Have a nice day. DaveA2424 (talk) 13:10, 2 April 2016 (UTC)

Jim Cornette declining induction

I believe Cornette has stated in interviews that the WWE has offered him induction several times, but he has refused because all they want to give him is $50,000 and a plaque, and he already has both of those many times over. How much is serious and how much is in jest is up for debate. -160.3.65.75 (talk) 06:49, 4 April 2016 (UTC)

asking for Day Jobs to be removed

I am asking for the day jobs to be removed the WWE Hall of Fame is for what they have done or occasion with WWE or Wrestling in general the inductees have gain enough nobility so everyone knows who they are LM 2000 added the occupation section and informed me that Donald Trump's presidency was added by another user. Just because he is president doesn't mean that an occupation section should be created. I have already stated my case to LM 2000 and I wrote to InedibleHulk without knowing that he took time off. --Sc30002001 (talk) 02:24, 22 December 2016 (UTC)

OPPOSE There is no reason none of the occupations shouldn't be listed,Listing them as a Celebrity is vague. The above user has already stated thier reason for not wanting it on there is they don't like Trump which is non neutral POV and shows they are not here to contribute neutraly. User is under the impression that because they don't want it there it shouldn't be there when clearly other users have no issue with it. Please Note Above user has also used IP to edit war on the article then switched to their user name to back themselves up and revert an Admin here they posted to Hulk and LM2000 via the IP not their user name they have admitted to their socking by their above comments and [here] stating they started this talk. Chris "WarMachineWildThing" ^{Talk to me} 02:49, 22 December 2016 (UTC)

• Donald Trump was the reason why the section was created it has nothing do with me not liking him or disliking him I am not into politics in general. All these years it was find until Trump was elected president that is all. 47.202.17.249 (talk) 02:52, 22 December 2016 (UTC)

Above IP is User:Sc30002001 Chris "WarMachineWildThing" ^{Talk to me} 02:56, 22 December 2016 (UTC)

• "Celebrity" is vague, these guys come from all sorts of different backgrounds. I added the "occupation" column after Trump becoming president-elect was repeatedly and awkwardly added into the "WWE recognized accomplishments" section. That said, we should add this section anyway. The Celebrity Wing continues to grow and has rappers, boxers, comedians and politicians. Their appearances in WWE are usually related to their background so this is helpful.LM2000 (talk) 02:54, 22 December 2016 (UTC)

For those not watching my talk page, I think it's fine. Your idea, that is. InedibleHulk (talk) 22:44, 26 December 2016 (UTC)

Sgt. Slaughter

Can someone fix Sgt. Slaughter's accomplishment?? they are next to his inductee Pat Patterson--47.202.17.249 (talk) 17:51, 2 January 2017 (UTC)

Done Thanks for the heads up. Chris "WarMachineWildThing" ^{Talk to me} 18:43, 2 January 2017 (UTC)

WWE Recognised Accolades

Opinions on whether only inductees world title wins should be included or if we should include secondary titles as well, such as the WWE Intercontinental Championship? DaveA2424 (talk) 23:27, 16 January 2017 (UTC)

DaveA2424 Please make new threads at the bottom of the page, not the top. If you click "New section" it will do this for you. When a wrestler wins a bunch of titles in their careers we have to omit some. Shawn Michales doesn't list his European championship win or his tag title victories, Edge doesn't mention any of his singles titles outside of the world championships. We try to include just the most important championships in their career.LM2000 (talk) 23:43, 16 January 2017 (UTC)

Kurt Angle Intercontinental Championship

does this accomplishment get added since the title is still active??47.202.17.249 (talk) 02:12, 17 January 2017 (UTC)

Answered above your question here Chris "WarMachineWildThing" ^{Talk to me} 02:23, 17 January 2017 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 20 January 2017

Donald Trump is now the president of the United States. Thegreengoob (talk) 18:02, 20 January 2017 (UTC)

 DoneLM2000 (talk) 18:13, 20 January 2017 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 5 February 2017

Please add the following sentence to the "Reception" section, onto the end of the "The Hall has garnered criticism..." paragraph, as another notable opinion on the hall:

Wrestler Sabu commented: "I'd only do it because I need the money... I don't consider it a real Hall of Fame."

ALSO, the reference at the end of the lede (citation 12) is given twice.

 Done JTP ^{(talk • contribs)} 15:31, 6 February 2017 (UTC)

References

My recent edit

• Note User:TBBC was blocked for violating the 3RR again. Nickag989^talk 17:43, 12 March 2017 (UTC)

My edit was notable (while most were shocked over Pete Rose's induction in 2004, quite a lot of people were shocked by NWA Legend Harley Race's, Greg Gagne even made a joke about Verne's induction in the speech he made while inducting him), the person who reverted it tried saying it was wrong, but then I pointed out to him Pat Patterson's biggest contribution and he's still reverting it. If it's because you didn't add it first, tough bikkies,--TBBC (talk) 12:58, 12 March 2017 (UTC)

Just because you were first, that doesn't mean you're the WP:WINNER. The phrase, From 1993-1996 the WWE Hall of Fame honoured those whose biggest accomplishments in wrestling were in the WWE. is not true, because in that context, the HoF recognized the accomplishment within the WWE, not in the AWA nor NWA. Nickag989^talk 13:21, 12 March 2017 (UTC)

That doesn't make any sense. --TBBC (talk) 13:59, 12 March 2017 (UTC)

Neither your edits, so you're welcome. Nickag989^talk 14:01, 12 March 2017 (UTC)

From what I gather, here's my response. Harley Race, Dusty Rhodes, Nick Bockwinkle, Mad Dog Vachon, wrestling legends, but their biggest accomplishments happened outside the WWE, when you look at the original run of the WWE Hall of Fame, you wouldn't have dreamt the WWE would acknowledge them. Verne Gagne had never even wrestled in the WWE. But when they brought back the WWE Hall of Fame in 2004, they were, as well as many other legends who's biggest accomplishments happened outside the WWE, all inducted. — Preceding unsigned comment added by TBBC (talk • contribs) 14:47, 12 March 2017 (UTC)

This was a long time ago, but it was removed in 2009 when the community merged the List of members of the WWE Hall of Fame into WWE Hall of Fame. And yes, the fact that these wrestlers had a lot of success outside WWE is notable, but it's useless without sources. Nickag989^talk 15:21, 12 March 2017 (UTC)

Alright message understood, I've added citations, we have conscience, stop reverting, someone beat you to adding this fact FULL STOP --TBBC (talk) 17:01, 12 March 2017 (UTC)

Not citations for superstars tho. We don't need this. Nickag989^talk 17:05, 12 March 2017 (UTC)

There is no consensus to add your edits, if you continue to edit war over this you will be reported. Chris "WarMachineWildThing" ^{Talk to me} 17:07, 12 March 2017 (UTC)

This is getting on my nerves, I have added citations for the hall of famers who's best days were OUTSIDE WWE, what more do you flippin' need apart from a time machine so you could go back in time and add it first.--TBBC (talk) 17:11, 12 March 2017 (UTC)

You are edit warring, you have no consensus on add that section. Not really concerned with your nerves. You were just blocked for edit warring and your about to be reported for it again. Chris "WarMachineWildThing" ^{Talk to me} 17:22, 12 March 2017 (UTC)

Well that backfired. Nickag989^talk 17:43, 12 March 2017 (UTC)

Can't say he wasn't warned. Chris "WarMachineWildThing" ^{Talk to me} 17:49, 12 March 2017 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 13 March 2017

Hitman1994-17 (talk) 19:39, 13 March 2017 (UTC)

beth has edges last name

 Not done "Birth name" is what we're looking for.LM2000 (talk) 19:48, 13 March 2017 (UTC)

Kurt Angle's TNA championships

Being the first TNA World Heavyweight Champion to be inducted into the WWE Hall of Fame, I personally feel that his TNA World, X-Division & Tag Team Championships should be added to his accomplishments list... even just his World Title reigns (6), should at least be added. WWE has recently been acknowledging former TNA World Champions on their programming, including Bobby Roode, when he debuted, he was credited as being a former World Champion, as was AJ Styles.

For the record Sting, who was TNA Champion, was inducted last year, so he's not the first.--TBBC (talk) 12:58, 12 March 2017 (UTC)

 Not done Unfortunately, WWE doesn't recognize those accompilshments in TNA on their website. Nickag989^talk 13:13, 12 March 2017 (UTC)

.For the record (X2) Mick Foley was first. --HHH Pedrigree (talk) 13:48, 21 March 2017 (UTC)

Celebrity for 2017

Will WWE have a celebrity inductee?47.202.19.158 (talk) 06:54, 30 March 2017 (UTC)

None announced so I doubt it Chris "WarMachineWildThing" ^{Talk to me} 07:25, 30 March 2017 (UTC)

Just wait, it'll be either Ronda Shear or Herb from Burger King. RadioKAOS / Talk to me, Billy / Transmissions 10:18, 30 March 2017 (UTC)

Accomplishments

What is wrong with pointing out how the original WWE Hall of Famers all of their biggest contributions were to WWE, but now the WWE have moved on to inducting wrestlers who made a huge impact on the world of wrestling?--TBBC (talk) 09:19, 27 April 2017 (UTC)

I don't understand what are you trying to say. Nickag989^talk 09:21, 27 April 2017 (UTC)

Look at the original WWE Hall of Fame Andre the Giant -- one of WWE's biggest draws ever. Pat Patterson -- first Intercontinental champion, created the Royal Rumble, has booked other classic matches. The Fabulous Moolah -- longest reigning champion in WWE history Buddy Rogers -- first WWE Champion Pedro Morales -- first man to win the WWE, Intercontinental and Tag team championship YOU GET WHERE THIS IS GOING?! Once upon a time, legends the likes of Harley Race and Verne Gagne being inducted into the WWE'S (keyword WWE'S) Hall of Fame would have been silly, because their contributions to wrestling were outside the WWE.--TBBC (talk) 09:28, 27 April 2017 (UTC)

Their accomplishments speak from themselves. No need to add them in the lead. Some of them were done in NWA and AWA, when the WWE HoF in the 1990s. Nickag989^talk 09:33, 27 April 2017 (UTC)

But you didn't get why I put it in the lead, so again I'll repeat myself, once upon a time, legends the likes of Harley Race and Verne Gagne being inducted into the WWE'S (keyword WWE'S) Hall of Fame would have been silly, because their contributions to wrestling were outside the WWE. — Preceding unsigned comment added by TBBC (talk • contribs) 09:37, 27 April 2017 (UTC)

Your sources didn't say what you want them to say. Either way, Dusty, Race and Von Erich achieved some success in WWE anyway so it's a moot point. If you can find a source that talks about the criteria WWE uses to chose candidates you could include something along those lines.LM2000 (talk) 09:41, 27 April 2017 (UTC)

Stop posting there is a consensus to add this when there isn't. Chris "WarMachineWildThing" ^{Talk to me} 09:56, 27 April 2017 (UTC)

Non-free image use

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Semi-protected edit request on 15 June 2017

change "Flair, Sting, and Kurt Angle are the only people to be inducted while still active." to delete. This statement leaves out Jerry "the King" Lawler who didn't stop wrestling until his heart attack in September 10, 2012 (5 years after being inducted to the WWE Hall of Fame

It also leaves out the Rock n Roll Express who wrestled less than a week before the WWE Hall of Fame

There are probably several other's who were active up to and after their induction.

The phrase should be deleted. Aard46 (talk) 00:21, 16 June 2017 (UTC)

I agree the phrase should be deleted, I'm not sure what criteria we're using when we describe wrestlers as "active". I saw Greg Valentine and Tony Atlas wrestle each other on the indies after both were inducted.LM2000 (talk) 00:50, 16 June 2017 (UTC)

Agreed Chris "WarMachineWildThing" ^{Talk to me} 03:36, 16 June 2017 (UTC)

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Goldberg is the headliner for WWE Hall of Fame 2018.

Bill Goldberg has been announced by WWE as the first inductee. http://www.wwe.com/shows/wwe-hall-of-fame/wwe-hall-of-fame-2018/article/goldberg-wwe-hall-of-fame-inductee-2018 --72.184.23.194 (talk) 16:06, 15 January 2018 (UTC)

It is already in the article - Galatz^Talk 16:14, 15 January 2018 (UTC)

You Removed him. Trevor800 (talk) 23:08, 16 January 2018 (UTC)

Nope, its there - Galatz^Talk 00:35, 17 January 2018 (UTC)

Hogan and Snuka disclaimers

Can we remove these? Having a profile on the WWE.com website really doesn't matter in the long run; every other source, including other WWE sources, still call them Hall of Famers.LM2000 (talk) 12:21, 16 January 2018 (UTC)

I see no benefit to it. Unless there is an official statement saying they have been removed, they are still inducted. - Galatz^Talk 00:35, 17 January 2018 (UTC)

Done. When these guys got in trouble WWE removed their profiles and that caused some confusion. Every source since has continued to reaffirm their Hall of Fame status so the disclaimers are no longer needed.LM2000 (talk) 05:43, 17 January 2018 (UTC)

Page split?

This page is getting to be very large and a bit hard to follow. I would propose splitting it but I am not sure the best way to do that. For example, say you wanted to know who got inducted into the 2015 Hall of Fame, you have to scroll through the individual, groups, celebrity, warrior and legacy.

My thought is to use other current hall of fames as a basis. If you look at the List of members of the Baseball Hall of Fame articles, since the Museum article itself doesnt really apply, we could probably do something similar. You then have a page that looks into the detail of each individual year, such as Baseball Hall of Fame balloting, 2018. I know its not exactly the same, since it doesn't have balloting, but just an example.

Therefore I am thinking this page because a more high level summary page, where we have a table that does something like:

Year	Category	Ring name (Real name)	Inducted by
2015	Individual	"Macho Man" Randy Savage (Randy Poffo)	Hulk Hogan
		Rikishi (Solofa Fatu Jr.)	Jimmy Uso and Jey Uso
		Alundra Blayze (Debrah Miceli)	Natalya
		Larry Zbyszko (Lawrence Whistler)	Bruno Sammartino
		Tatsumi Fujinami	Ric Flair
		Kevin Nash	Shawn Michaels
	Groups	The Bushwhackers	John Laurinaitis
	Celebrity	Arnold Schwarzenegger	Triple H
	Warrior award	Connor "The Crusher" Michalek	Dana Warrior and Daniel Bryan

The larger tables, similarly formatted to the way they are right now, would then be moved to the individual year pages.

Any thoughts? - Galatz^Talk 14:38, 8 February 2018 (UTC)

Well, since there's no actual balloting or other public selection process that draws thousands upon thousands of words of commentary about not just the selections but the process itself every year, the analogy with baseball doesn't quite work. That said, I can see breaking the chart down by years, not categories. In fact, I really can't see how the current chart helps anyone. This may be best served by a sortable table with columns for years of induction and for categories so that people looking for either can use the chart just by clicking the header. But I can't support the idea of breaking this article into multiple articles. There's just not enough independently notable material to justify a whole bunch of articles. oknazevad (talk) 23:17, 12 February 2018 (UTC)

@Oknazevad: I understand the point, but especially the 2004 and after it is a lot more than just a listing of people. A page for each year could allow for more information about the event itself. For example, add prose as to what happened and why. The 2015 example I gave above, we could discuss how Savage had recently died, The Usos being Rikishis kids (something you have no idea about looking at the current page), Natalya bringing out the trash can for Alundra Blayze to take the title belt back out of the trash, etc. The current article is a list, this would in essence stay as a list, but the individual pages would become proper articles. - Galatz^Talk 00:07, 13 February 2018 (UTC)

Moolah wasn't inducted in 2008

Since 2013, one woman has been inducted every year, before this, woman were inducted sporadically, starting in 2008 with the Fabulous Moolah.

Moolah wasn't inducted in 2008. It was Mae Young that was inducted in 2008 and Mae was the third woman inducted. Moolah was inducted in 1995. There was 5 females inducted before Trish Stratus.

Woman Inductee Timeline:

1995: Fabulous Moolah (1st) 2004: No woman this year. 2005: No woman this year. 2006: Sensational Sherri (2nd) 2008: Mae Young (3rd) 2009: No woman this year. 2010: Wendi Richter (4th) 2011: Sunny (5th) 2012: No woman this year. 2013: Trish Stratus 2014: Lita 2015: Alundra Blayze 2016: Jacqueline 2017: Beth Phoenix 2018: Ivory - 90.196.224.102 (talk) 20:42, 2 March 2018 (UTC)

WWE Hall of Fame change

Who's idea was it to change the section from birth name to real names and what was wrong with the previous section? Furthermore why didn't we get to vote on it. --72.184.23.194 (talk) 12:30, 20 February 2018 (UTC)

This was done by ZSJUSA based on this series of edits [2]. I assume this was done because certain people like Steve Austin has legally changed his name. The issue is for me the current method shows Austin's real name as "Stone Cold" Steve Austin. In general I am indifferent as to which one we use. In my opinion it adds nothing here and we don't need either. Each one has their own page for that information. - Galatz^Talk 14:24, 20 February 2018 (UTC)

• I like the previous version better with the birth name attached that's my personal take on it. Steve Austin has changed his name numerous times. his birth name is Steven Anderson. but this is Wikipedia and people change what they don't like. we should get a vote instead of just making a major change. 72.184.23.194 (talk) 22:19, 20 February 2018 (UTC)

Does anyone else have thoughts on the change? - Galatz^Talk 13:58, 21 February 2018 (UTC)

• Jarris Robertson will receive Warrior Award 72.184.23.194 (talk) 15:48, 26 February 2018 (UTC)

http://www.nola.com/entertainment/index.ssf/2018/02/jarrius_robertson_to_receive_t.html

It is already in the 2018 section - Galatz^Talk 16:43, 26 February 2018 (UTC)

• Kid Rock is going in for celebrity wing Detroit News reports. + I knew he was going in. 72.184.23.194 (talk) 04:30, 5 March 2018 (UTC)

https://www.detroitnews.com/story/entertainment/2018/03/02/report-kid-rock-inducted-wwe-hall-fame/111031734/

This article is a mess

The way it's organized is messy and needs to be corrected. I suggest one table, with a column denoting which "wing" the person was inducted in (i.e. Individual, Group, Celebrity, Legacy). There should be one separate table for the Warrior Award, since it's not clear whether each recipient is considered a member of the Hall of Fame. Feedback 16:16, 2 April 2018 (UTC)

I agree. I suggested a fix here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:WWE_Hall_of_Fame/Archive_2#Page_split? which I still think is probably a good way to clean it up. - Galatz^Talk 17:32, 2 April 2018 (UTC)

I don't know about having separate articles for each class, but I definitely approve of your table. Feedback 21:06, 2 April 2018 (UTC)

I like the idea of different articles for each class. My major issue is with the titles, since a lot of users includes every champion the wrestlers won. I think 1) Galataz table deletes the titles colum. and/or 2) an article for each class is useful since we can expand every wrestler individual work for the promotion. --HHH Pedrigree (talk) 21:15, 2 April 2018 (UTC)

BTW, if we made changes, remember we have a lot of other Hall of Fame articles to change. (WCW, Museum, Impact, WON...)--HHH Pedrigree (talk) 21:30, 2 April 2018 (UTC)

If I have time tonight I will mock up a year or two and we can play around with it and see what people think. - Galatz^Talk 21:23, 2 April 2018 (UTC)

I have created the following pages:

• WWE Hall of Fame (2012)
• WWE Hall of Fame (2013)
• WWE Hall of Fame (2014)
• WWE Hall of Fame (2015)
• WWE Hall of Fame (2016)
• WWE Hall of Fame (2017)
• WWE Hall of Fame (2018)

I have not yet updated this page as I thought it would be best for you guys to take a look and suggest/make changes before completely redoing the format here. Assuming we good to go, I can continue creating the older years. The event section especially can use some help as I cannot remember everything right now for, the older years especially. Thanks! - Galatz^Talk 03:36, 3 April 2018 (UTC)

Jay Strongbow's inductor

Watching the WWE Hall of Fame on the WWE network, I notice most of these inductors are wrong. But here's one I can prove https://www.wwe.com/videos/wwe-honors-the-life-of-wwe-hall-of-famer-chief-jay-strongbow From the official WWEwebsite it shows Gorilla Monsoon inducting Strongbow, not Tatanka.--2001:8003:6F2D:C900:486B:B06D:B2DC:C05D (talk) 10:37, 25 November 2018 (UTC)

WWE Hall of Fame 2012 and 2016

Mil Mascaras was the first inductee he was announced in Mexico. Triple H asked Carlos Cabrera to translate for him.

Big Boss Man was inducted posthumously he was represented by his wife Angela and his daughters Lacy and Megan.

I am asking that Mil Mascaras be fixed and Big Bossman as well. Classes are in the order they are announced on television as well as breaking news. Thank you 173.168.5.169 (talk) 12:59, 13 January 2019 (UTC)

Davey Boy Smith

The British Bulldog has been confirmed as being a 2020 inductee. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 197.87.101.10 (talk) 13:19, 12 March 2020 (UTC)

2020 Inducters (is that a word?)

In the 2020 section here it lists some as "inducted by", but in the main article (WWE Hall of Fame (2020)) all the "inducted by" are listed as 'TBD'. I don't know enough to say which is correct, but can the two articles be made the same? 194.28.124.53 (talk) 01:13, 17 April 2020 (UTC)

James Dudley Class of 1994

There is no picture of James featured in this article. There are however a picture of him on his wikipedia article.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/e/e5/James_Dudley.png https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Dudley

That is something that should be fixed, and should be easy to fix.

62.20.228.169 (talk) 16:57, 15 May 2020 (UTC) 2020

That image has non-free use rationale, meaning it cannot be used here. - Galatz גאליץ^{שיחה Talk} 20:38, 18 May 2020 (UTC)

Many of the "inducted by:" entries for 94-96 are wrong

For whatever reason someone kayfabed a lot of the inductions from these years in the biographies on WWE.com. If you watch the videos currently on the Network or even look at pictures posted from the events on WWE.com you'll see that they're wrong.

Shane McMahon inducted Arnold Skaaland. Gorilla Monsoon inducted Chief Jay Strongbow. Killer Kowalski inducted Gorilla Monsoon. George Steele's wife inducted him in 1995. Miguel Perez Sr. inducted Antonino Rocca. Gorilla Monsoon inducted Pedro Morales and the award was accepted by Savio Vega because Pedro wasn't there. Bill Watts inducted Ernie Ladd. And finally, Tony Garea inducted the Valiant Brothers. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 97.103.1.107 (talk) 20:55, 27 July 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 7 January 2021

Rationale: For purposes of proper English language grammar & syntax and historically accurate context (citing dates):

Please Change: In 2021, after several people enter into the Congress, Mick Foley asked Vince McMahon to remove Donald Trump from the Hall of Fame.[244]

To: After rioters forcibly entered the US Capitol Building on January 6, 2021, Mick Foley urged Vince McMahon via Twitter to remove President Donald Trump from the WWE Hall of Fame.[244] TechReview404 (talk) 21:57, 7 January 2021 (UTC)

I'm not sure that's NPOV. More importantly, is this of lasting significance and is the cited source reliable? Remember, Wikipedia is not a newspaper and it gets really tiring to see editing activity which flies in the face of that. RadioKAOS / Talk to me, Billy / Transmissions 07:29, 8 January 2021 (UTC)

 Partly done: I've copied the wording from the relevant article (2 weeks on, the Capital riot is clearly an event of lasting significance, and NPOV is as reported by the sources, which can be "non-neutral" if the sources are not). Courtesy ping: @RadioKAOS: (since this got archived in the meantime) RandomCanadian (talk / contribs) 03:38, 24 January 2021 (UTC)

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Ms Elizabeth

Icon! Grew up on her and Macho Man, One of the first women of wrestling and one of the most impactful 2604:3D09:CD79:FA00:60D3:1C50:75DE:AC63 (talk) 23:38, 30 March 2022 (UTC)

WWE HOF 1995

I added a legitimate source, I had the facts down, What am I missing here? Jstar367 (talk) 18:33, 4 June 2022 (UTC)

wwe

mlb 50.229.215.186 (talk) 20:43, 3 August 2022 (UTC)

you are stupid 50.229.215.186 (talk) 20:43, 3 August 2022 (UTC)

jeff hardy refusal

you should add in the hall of fame refusal that jeff hardy was offered a spot in the 2022 hall of fame to come back to WWE instead of letting his 90 day contract expire in fear that he would go to AEW. source: [3]https://www.sporf.com/jeff-hardy-reveals-why-he-turned-down-wwe-hall-of-fame-opportunity/ Hotguy2288altacc (talk) 06:06, 12 March 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 1 April 2023

Change the TBD in Stacy Keibler to Mick Foley, the inducter. JrGoesGaming (talk) 02:33, 1 April 2023 (UTC)

 Already done JTP ^{(talk • contribs)} 06:52, 1 April 2023 (UTC)

Double Inductee paragraph

Should there be one, like with the RNR HOF article? 197.89.10.150 (talk) 03:42, 9 March 2024 (UTC)

List of Rock and Roll Hall of Fame inductees#Multiple inductees is the section you are talking about. It might not be a bad idea.LM2000 (talk) 07:01, 9 March 2024 (UTC)

Name change

who's idea was it to change the name if the inductees Andre the giant was the eighth wonder of the world but they hardly used it. same with Eddie Latino Heat was part of his gimmick not the name. If they are allowing the name change I say we should at least vote on it. only people like Bret Hart are the exceptions im cool with Hitman being there. but we dont have to do it for everyone on less it's significant. all I am asking for is a vote so we can all agree. Sc30002001 (talk) 19:13, 16 March 2024 (UTC)