Talk:Violence against people with disabilities

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This article was the subject of a Wiki Education Foundation-supported course assignment, between 16 January 2019 and 22 May 2019. Further details are available on the course page. Student editor(s): Dessiahc97. Peer reviewers: Cbenyola.

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Proposed merge of Disability hate crime into Violence against people with disabilities

These articles cover exactly the same topic, albeit from different viewpoints. Both views should be presented in a single article. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 08:22, 14 January 2021 (UTC)

I think this page should instead be merged with disability abuse since the two articles are very similar and short Feralcateater000 (talk)

Feralcateater000 there's actually quite a number of closely related articles that could also be considered for merging;

• Ableism
• Developmental disability abuse and vulnerability
• Disability hate crime
• Institutional abuse
• Violence against people with disabilities
• Sexual abuse and intellectual disability

There might even be other relevant articles at obscure titles. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 23:00, 8 January 2022 (UTC)

Sexual abuse of people with developmental disabilities is a redirect to the last article you mentioned but yeah I agree these should be consolidated- I’ve never merged articles before though and am unsure how that works. Also thank you for pointing me to the style guide - I hadn’t seen it before Feralcateater000 (talk) 23:04, 8 January 2022 (UTC)

@Feralcateater000 I've done a few merges, but with this expanded list of articles I think we need to have more discussion about what to include and exclude in the merge(s). Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 23:09, 8 January 2022 (UTC)

I think the institutional abuse information can go in this section: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Violence_against_people_with_disabilities#Institutional_vs._non-institutional of the violence against disabilities page if we merge those two pages because there's more information on the institutional abuse page. Feralcateater000 (talk) 17:12, 11 January 2022 (UTC)

This should really be taken one at a time to prevent mistakes and to keep discussion clear. Returning to the original purpose of this section, I agree that Disability hate crime should be merged here. The content significantly overlaps, and the two topics are integral to each other. We cannot have a full discussion of violence against PwD if we don't discuss hate crimes, and hate crimes can't be discussed without laying out a bunch of information about violence against PwD. That all being said, the hate crime article should be significantly cut down in preparation for merging here, because a lot of it has issues (e.g. undue weight: going into too much detail from specific sources, and describing specific countries in excessive detail). By the way, Feralcateater000, you may want to read Help:Talk pages#Indentation regarding how to format threaded discussions. --Xurizuri (talk) 03:44, 13 February 2022 (UTC)

Thank you Feralcateater000 (talk) 03:46, 13 February 2022 (UTC)

Persons with Disabilities vs Disabled People

I noticed that this page uses person first language (i.e. persons with disabilities/people with disabilities). I’m general, most disabled people - including myself- prefer identify first language (i.e. disabled people). An internet search regarding this would help explain why point here. Would it be possible to have a conversation regarding this? 2A00:23C8:8886:BB00:85A6:38C1:763B:6647 (talk) 23:09, 6 January 2022 (UTC)

yeah it's weird to use person first language in this article and identity first language in discrimination against autistic people Feralcateater000 (talk) 22:12, 8 January 2022 (UTC)

Feralcateater000 Please see WP:WikiProject Disability/Style advice#People-first language. We broadly follow the advice of various widely accepted professional style guides, which generally support both variants, albeit with a few caveats (such as in the case of autism). WP:RETAIN is also relevant. IMHO it would be far better to complete the proposed merge process than to quibble about such a minor style variation. -- Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 22:44, 8 January 2022 (UTC)

See also the last point under Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Medicine-related articles#Careful language, which describes the same conventions. Although MOS:MED isn't entirely applicable here, that section still overlaps - and it links external sources that provide more information. The generally accepted terms by the community and professional organisations are to use person-first language unless the specific subgroup has indicated otherwise, such as in the cases of (most notably) the autistic and the deaf communities. --Xurizuri (talk) 03:26, 13 February 2022 (UTC)

@Xurizuri actually MOSMED is entirely not applicable here. The way medicine deals with disability is part of the problem in the first place. (this is a very influential paper on the topic). If you look outside the medical walled garden you will find substantial criticism against person-first language by the disability community (not only the Deaf and Autistic), it's nowhere near as cut and dried as MEDMOS would have us believe. That being said, let us not drift too far off the task of merging this mess of articles. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 06:48, 13 February 2022 (UTC)

Sorry, I worded that in a way that required tone without realising. I meant that it isn't applicable, just that it covers related topics, and I was raising it as a partial explanation of why WP uses different words for different articles. I will note that the language preferred where I live is very much person first - unless speaking about oneself or one's own community - especially outside of medical views (WP doesn't actually use preferred non-member language at all per Australian views, we're apparently on a whole other wavelength) and I'm also not from a scholarship background, so I think I have unintentionally applied my own context onto others. I definitely should learn more about what the discussions are in other areas of the world, thank you

for linking that. --Xurizuri (talk) 10:28, 13 February 2022 (UTC)

Wiki Project Proposal

Hi! I am considering updating this page for a class Wiki assignment. To improve this page, I want to add more information about the specific forms of violence perpetrated against disabled communities. Additionally, I would like to add a section on the consequences of violence against disabled people--this subtopic could focus on the enduring physiological and mental issues that victims of abuse face. Lastly, I plan to include information about violence treatment and prevention for disabled communities, since mainstream violence prevention models don't adequately reflect the realities of disabled people. If you would like to read more about my Wiki project proposal, feel free to reference my user page. Thanks! Sam7688 (talk) 22:52, 13 September 2022 (UTC)

Would you consider helping with the effort to merge this page with Disability hate crime? That article has a section on psychological effects you could expand on and add to this article. Feralcateater000 (talk) 00:31, 15 September 2022 (UTC)