Talk:Usain Bolt/Archive 2

Comments on images

• I can't believe that his famous image with the 9.69 ending is not shown.
• is there a specific reason that there is a 200m graph and not a 100m one?
• the 200m looks crappy and provides no reference. Try to find some kind of referrences, and instead of a line, please add discrete points (as with those in the "100m WR progression" article)

This should become an FA soon. Nergaal (talk) 04:39, 31 August 2008 (UTC)

Well, I don't think there is ONE iconic image of Bolt for the 9.69 that we could fair-use and no one has released one with a compatible license yet, I think... Otherwise, the other pictures we have are fantastic in comparison to your average wikipedia article!

I agree the 200 metre progression needs improvement but it would demand a lot of work to make, reference and keep up to date. I might provide the referenced figures and hopefully some helpful soul will make chart based on that.

Also, the 100 metre progression would be considerably meagre, consisting maybe four or five points at the moment. Remember that, Olympic medals and world record aside, in competition terms he's very new to the event!

Athletics season finishes soon so a bit of polishing after that and we'll see where the article goes! More complete progression charts are a must I think because there is no reason why the article should not have them. Sillyfolkboy (talk) 05:24, 31 August 2008 (UTC)

You say the 200 m progression graph looks 'crappy'. But can you provide a better one? You should be thankful we even have one in the first place. A Prodigy ~In Pursuit of Perfection~ 14:25, 6 September 2008 (UTC)

Velocity dispersions in a cluster of stars

If this gets accepted into American Journal of Physics, it would be an interesting addition to this article:

arXiv.org > physics > arXiv:0809.0209 Velocity dispersions in a cluster of stars: How fast could Usain Bolt have run?

Something to keep an eye on. Melchoir (talk) 23:28, 2 September 2008 (UTC)

Interesting. But it's just one of those things, that no matter how long we speculate for, the answer will forever be hidden. A Prodigy ~In Pursuit of Perfection~ 15:08, 6 September 2008 (UTC)

I have to disagree, the answer merely depends on the question. If you ask simply "how fast could he have run?" then you're asking about a counterfactual. And I agree -- the answer is forever hidden.

But if you ask, for example, "how fast would he have run had he matched Richard Thompson's acceleration profile after 8 seconds?" then the answer is 9.61±0.04 seconds. Scientifically speaking, this is the right sort of question to ask. It's also a useful reference point to evaluate his coach's projection of 9.52, which is currently mentioned in the article. Melchoir (talk) 06:08, 8 September 2008 (UTC)

100m Win at Brussels

Bolt won the 100m at Brussels with a time of 9.77s over Powell's 9.83. Headwind was -1.9m/s and weather was poor. Caribbean World News story on Bolt.Adam Wolbach (talk) 20:45, 5 September 2008 (UTC)

It has been included in the article, under the After the Olympics section. A Prodigy ~In Pursuit of Perfection~ 13:57, 6 September 2008 (UTC)

Article is getting too long

On the whole, I would say that this article is getting far too long. People are putting in random statistics like a graph of progression of personal bests (completely unnecessary!) and like 1-2 sentences about every race that Usain Bolt has run over the past three years. These races should be summarized in an achievements table at most, and there is simply way too much text here for a guy who has had such a short career with essentially a couple highlights. Observe the article on Michael Johnson - his career is far longer and more accomplished, but the body of text is significantly shorter. We should strive for a more concise biography. Mipchunk (talk) 19:36, 6 September 2008 (UTC)

The body of the that article is significantly shorter because it is not as well researched, hence the lack of citation and C class biography rating. In fact looking at featured sporting articles such as Kevin Pietersen and Ian Thorpe it appears this kind of comprehensiveness is necessary to achieve FA status. Both these sportsmen have had similarly short careers but each article is equally as lengthy as this one. Length sure didn't seem to hinder John McCain, another featured article, either if you want to read all 128kb of the main and it's 7 daughter articles. Indeed, just the House and Senate career of John McCain, 1982–2000 article is roughly as long as this whole article. To state that personal best progressions are unnecessary is akin to saying a discography is unnecessary in a band's article - personal bests are one of the main barometers by which an athlete is gauged and represent how the person's performances changed over their career. Of course Bolt is hardly finished as a sprinter but I believe these statistics are suitable for an article about someone who may be as important to the 100 metres as Donald Bradman was to cricket Sillyfolkboy (talk) 16:26, 7 September 2008 (UTC)

Let's take all parameters from one source

Maybe, it is better to cite Usain's height, weight date and place of birth from ONE source. For example IAAF gives: weight - 76.00 (not 86.00), height - 1.93 (not 1.96), date of birth - 21/08/1986, place of birth - Trelawny.

I could edit it myself, but article is semi-protected. 195.69.84.154 (talk) 17:18, 18 September 2008 (UTC)

I took a look at the Beijing Olympics biography page here, and found that those figures agreed with the info box (1.96 m and 86 kg). They also agree with the IAAF Focus on Athletes - Usain Bolt article here (last updated in 2007), but disagrees with the IAFF athlete biography page here. Given the inconsistencies, It is difficult to judge which is the most accurate. I suggest we stick with the Beijing Olympics values for now. I also would not put much weight on other new media articles, since they would likely have draw their information from one of these sources. -- Tcncv (talk) 02:01, 19 September 2008 (UTC)

See also the earlier discussion under the Height (again) heading. Same conclusion, different reasoning. -- Tcncv (talk) 02:32, 19 September 2008 (UTC)

The IAAF rarely updates the personal info on their biography pages. They mainly update the times and achievements. Since Usain Bolt started international competition very young, the IAAF set up his biography page when he was slightly shorter and also lighter. Mipchunk (talk) 04:30, 19 September 2008 (UTC)

Junior Champion at 16?

According to Wikipedia and IAAF, World Junior Championships are reserved to 18 and 19 y.o. boys and girls, while World Youth Championships are reserved to boys and girls 17 or younger to 14. How is it possible that Bolt was Junior Champion in 2002 (at 16) and Youth Champion in the following year? Val —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.53.116.79 (talk) 13:49, 19 September 2008 (UTC)

It's possible to attend the Junior championships while being under 18/19, as bolt did when he was 16. Normally those falling in the "youth" bracket aren't fast enough to compete at the Junior level but Bolt is a rarity in this case. Think of it like being pushed up a year in high school if you're smart enough. Sillyfolkboy (talk) 20:30, 8 October 2008 (UTC)

Who is his brother?

It just says he has a brother it doesn't say what his name is. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.12.16.173 (talk) 02:29, 26 September 2008 (UTC)

win = silver?

'Bolt won his first annual high school championships medal in 2001, taking the silver medal in the 200 metres with a time of 22.04 seconds.[3]'

Article says Bolt won ... but then says Bolt took silver ... silver is not wining, gold is. (?)Bushop (talk) 02:46, 1 October 2008 (UTC)

It says he won his first medal. A silver is a medal, and it is obtained by winning it. TheHYPO (talk) 06:07, 1 October 2008 (UTC)

Real Madrid?

Didn't he have a trial at football (soccer) club Real Madrid of Spain after the 2008 Olympics? It doesn't mention it here, so I guess it didn't happen. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.202.94.92 (talk) 14:36, 3 October 2008 (UTC)

I severely doubt that personally, never heard a word of it on the news. In the article, Bolt I don't think mentions football as a faviroute sport, he only says cricket. Anyway, we would need references to add that in. Blooded Edge ^Sign/_Talk 18:21, 8 October 2008 (UTC)

If I remember rightly, he went to train (or will soon train?) at Real Madrid's stadium for a day as some kind of sponsorship tie-in or publicity stunt. It was meant as an exercise to improve Madrid players' pace - a little silly as I think Bolt's coach would be more qualified to teach them how to improve their running technique. Sillyfolkboy (talk) 20:24, 8 October 2008 (UTC)

He's going to train with Real madrid. Also, his favorite player is Ruud Van Nistelrooy59.92.38.155 (talk) 11:44, 24 November 2008 (UTC)

Splitting article in to parent and daughter articles

While I think the article is fine for the moment, it's immensely clear that all sections of the biography will need to be reduced at some point. Using John McCain as an example, it would be advantageous to summarise content to improve readability.

I propose that in the future the information from "Early life", "Early competitions", "Rise to prominence" and the first section of "Professional athletics career" be put into a daughter article (Early life and athletics career of Usain Bolt) and summarised in the main entry here. Similarly, information from "World-record breaker" to "After the Olympics" could form a daughter article and be summarised on the main article. This article would likely include information from the next two upcoming seasons too.

I'm not advocating a split now, as I don't think the readable prose is currently overwhelming. However, it's obvious that less important information will merely obstruct a clear concise article in the future. Also we shouldn't delete perfectly valid, referenced material. I will begin working on the early life and career article in user space soon and devise a summary for the main article. What does everyone else think? Sillyfolkboy (talk) 23:46, 7 November 2008 (UTC)

Useless Graph

The first graph is supposedly a line graph but with only 3 or 4 points.

Joining up such few points is pretty arbitrary.

I have removed the graph.

In addition to the angular joining of so few points, may I point out that the graph was titled 'progression of personal bests, 2008' or something like that, and the first point, in January, was labelled as being from July 2007.

I don't think this is a sufficient standard of graph-making to be included here. Clavecin (talk) 11:33, 13 March 2009 (UTC)

Minor grammatical nitpick

The statistics->achievements section ends with the sentence "This is the only run in the IAAF top ten performances of all time, not set by an American team." The comma really breaks up the sentence, so probably shouldn't be there. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.61.79.60 (talk) 05:24, 5 April 2009 (UTC)

Agreed. I'm not really sure how someone thought that was a good place for a comma. Maybe it happened when prose got moved around. Either way, it's gone. Sillyfolkboy (talk) 05:31, 5 April 2009 (UTC)

Management Team

The article says Bolt is managed by Norman Peart. Later it says he is managed by PACE Sports Management. This should be corrected as follows: Usain Bolt is managed by Norman Peart. PACE Management acts as Track and Field Agent. Please note the contact links on usainbolt.com. Also note recent articles qouting Norman Peart making official statements in that capacity here: http://www.jamaicaobserver.com/news/html/20090429T190000-0500_150413_OBS_SPRINT_STAR_USAIN_BOLT_SUSTAINS_MINOR_INJURY_IN_CAR_ACCIDENT.asp. (Zawdie (talk) 16:44, 16 May 2009 (UTC)).

I've clarified that now. Cheers! Sillyfolkboy (talk) (edits)^{WIKIPROJECT ATHLETICS NEEDS YOU!} 19:27, 17 May 2009 (UTC)

Website?

Usain's website is now live (as of Thursday July 16). The website should provide a few bits of more up-to-date information about the athlete. www.usainbolt.com

300m

Usain Bolt 300m record - 30.97
date:27/05/2010
source:
http://www.zlatatretra.cz/results.asp?season=2010&typ=r&eventid=0030041
http://www.zlatatretra.cz/download/results2010.pdf
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PKnt7xQnfns
—Preceding unsigned comment added by Threelight (talk • contribs) 01:42, 3 June 2010 (UTC)

WR vs. WB ?

I suspect WR stands for World Record, but what does WB mean? (World Best? Is it different than World Record?) It should maybe be more clearly defined somewhere on the page or in the chart (for people like me who don't know the difference).

* 100 m:	9.58 s (WR)
* 150 m:	14.35 s (WB)
* ...  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.32.153.30 (talk) 03:20, 22 August 2009 (UTC) 

"World records" are all-time bests in events recognized by the IAAF. All-time bests in all other events (such as 150 m) are "world bests". GregorB (talk) 19:54, 22 August 2009 (UTC)

• You can find it at the bottom of the article page under references number 5 the definition. — Preceding unsigned comment added by DAVERYANCARINO (talk • contribs) 04:58, 28 September 2011 (UTC)

Cristiano Ronaldo

The article states that Bolt gave sprinting lessons to "Portugal captain" Cristiano Ronaldo at Manchester United's Carrington training ground. Cristiano Ronaldo is not the Captain of the Portugese Football team —Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.201.14.19 (talk) 17:07, 14 August 2009 (UTC) Zawdie (talk) 12:34, 17 July 2009 (UTC)

Cristiano is the captain of portugal. Change it back, its correct and I think vaguely significant. 66.229.93.164 (talk) 23:28, 20 August 2009 (UTC)

New World Record

I'm apparently not 'established' enough, could someone edit the record to 9.58 at the Berlin World Championships. -Blue Sam3 (talk) 19:52, 16 August 2009 (UTC)

ON SECTION Personal bests

the 100m record isnt marked as OR, when its one. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.184.71.206 (talk) 20:03, 16 August 2009 (UTC)

On the Achievements section it said "Bolt's personal best of 9.69 seconds" whereas it should say "Bolt's personal best of 9.58" —Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.194.231.154 (talk) 20:11, 16 August 2009 (UTC)

education

educational background —Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.20.98.98 (talk) 20:33, 16 August 2009 (UTC)

Spelling consistency

Metres is spelled both "metres" and "meters" (one occasion only when referencing his 9.69s Olympic time) both in the first paragraph. 92.1.89.173 (talk) 22:08, 16 August 2009 (UTC)

Yes, that should be corrected. But you should also read the guidelines. The guidelines say that it is NOT "9.69s", but "9.69 s". Just like it should be "100 m", not "100m"... 68.200.98.166 (talk) 23:28, 21 August 2009 (UTC)

Statistics > Pers Best

HI, "Statistics -> Personal bests -> 100M -> Notes" is incorrect. Gay, the second yesterday did also beat Bolts previous record, so he currently holds the second best time.

Janmarques (talk) 10:25, 17 August 2009 (UTC)

Uuhhh, no he didn't. Bolt's previous record was 9.69. Gay "only" managed 9.71. Dr. Blofeld ^{White cat} 12:20, 17 August 2009 (UTC)

NJR/WJR

These acronyms are used but not explained. I'm guessing they mean "National Junior Record" and "World Junior Record", but it's not very clear to someone who doesn't follow these things closely. Perhaps someone could clarify this in the article? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.157.196.53 (talk) 00:36, 19 August 2009 (UTC)

to add later

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/athletics/8206590.stm —Preceding unsigned comment added by 18.60.2.34 (talk) 05:42, 19 August 2009 (UTC)

Achievements

Isn't Bolt the only man to have broken the 100m WR 3 times, not just equal it, like Carl Lewis. If so, this should be added to the achievement list. Ref http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Men%27s_100_metres_world_record_progression —Preceding unsigned comment added by 118.175.184.145 (talk) 13:57, 20 August 2009 (UTC)

9.30 @ 200m

In the section on Personal Bests article says "Also holds the second fastest time with 9.30, which is the Olympic Record." next to the 200m distance, which probably should be 19.30 as elsewhere in the article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.232.234.3 (talk) 19:57, 20 August 2009 (UTC)

Height

It seems all most universally accepted that he is 6ft 5 inches or 1.96cm however on his IAAF profile he is listed as 1.93cm which is 6ft 4. One would assume the height that he enters races under and so on feeds into the listing that he is shown with on the IAAF site. Should he actually be listed as 6ft 4?--194.125.106.136 (talk) 22:23, 20 August 2009 (UTC)

{{editsemiprotected}}

This article says that Usain Bolt has not been beaten since July 22, 2008, which is misleading. Usain Bolt came 2nd in the Quarter Finals at the 2009 IAAF World Championships in Berlin; this sentence should be removed altogether.

When it says beaten it means in finals, the earlier rounds are just to get to the final and don't matter tbh. He hasn't been beaten at the end of a competition since then.84.67.191.39 (talk) 10:15, 21 August 2009 (UTC)

Not done: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{edit semi-protected}} template. Celestra (talk) 15:03, 21 August 2009 (UTC)

It strikes me that, in terms of things you'd want to include in an encyclopedia entry, one of the more significant facts about Bolt is that guys his height usually don't succeed at very short distance sprinting. That's attributed, often, to the difficulty of starting quickly for a tall guy. During the Olympics many of the commentators said his results started coming once he radically improved his starting technique. If that's true (I don't follow athletics ("track-and-field" in the US!) well enough to know), it seems to me to merit inclusion high-up in this article.Shayanakadidal (talk) 22:14, 25 June 2011 (UTC)

Both world and olympic titles in 2009

The article states that "At the 2008 Olympics he....became the first athlete to hold both the world and olympic 100 and 200m titles." He was not the world champion in both those events going into the olympics; rather, he just recently (August 2009) became the first athlete to hold both the world and olympic titles in the 100 and 200m events. 114.206.75.109 (talk) 14:32, 22 August 2009 (UTC)

I noticed the same without seeing your post here and fixed it in [1]. PrimeHunter (talk) 13:53, 23 August 2009 (UTC)

Sporting Heroes

The article asserts that Usain Bolt would have been a fast bowler had he not been a sprinter, but on TMS yesterday the claim was made that he held Courtney Walsh as a hero. Is there any other evidence for this? Of course Courtney was a former West Indies fast bowler for those who do not follow Cricket. Soarhead77 (talk) 10:37, 23 August 2009 (UTC)

Usain Bolt's 9.69 is the third fastest 100m of all time, not second

Tyson Gay's 9.69 run in Shanghai last year was also 9.69, and was thousandths of a second below Bolt's previous WR of 9.69. This gives Bolt the 1st and 3rd best 100m runs of all time, not 1st and 2nd like indicated in the page. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 205.133.138.21 (talk) 19:19, 10 January 2010 (UTC)

Thousandths of a second is unofficial. The two 9.69 runs share 2nd place. See [2]. PrimeHunter (talk) 00:53, 11 January 2010 (UTC)

Shouldn't the time be marked as "officially" 2nd, then? Claiming he has the second fastest time exclusively (as implied) when he really doesn't is pretty silly. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 205.133.138.21 (talk) 04:45, 13 January 2010 (UTC)

Weight

The link in the infobox to Bolt's weight specifies 95kgs for his weight, but the IAAF gives a weight of 86kgs. It's not unusual for different sources to give different measurements for athletes, but nearly 10kgs is a HUGE difference. It's not possible he's put on this much muscle since being weighed/given his weight to the IAAF, is it? Which is the correct weight? --Criticalthinker (talk) 05:59, 27 January 2010 (UTC)

I can precisly calculate his weight. 15 years fin boys weighting ~50 kg of height 170-175 cm, they have no muscles, no "sheets" and they called out of normal weight succers, where index is 50/1.75^2=16.33 or 50/1.7^2=17.30, while "normal" index is 18.5-25, amybe such calculations are good for 150-165 gnoms, but not for high mans, if height grews linarly mass grews cubicly indeed. So such light but yet normal schoolboys of height 173 cm say weighting 50 kg (I know it), so Bolt weight should be 50*(195/173)^3=71.6 kg. How much wrong mass he have? Well either 95/71.6=1.3268 it's 32.68% or 86/71.6=1.20 it's 20% of no needed weight. Bolt height is 195/173=1.127, 12.7% bigger than 173 cm man height, but unneeded mass oe 33%, oe 20% bigger. This means, that 173 cm man of mass 50 kg is faster than he is in untranied condition. Except one thing can give Bolt advantage over 173 cm, 50 kg man, which is, that air resistance to him is smaller (in proportional height grewing meaning), because force and mass grews cubicly when height grews linarly, but body surface grews square. Also his head by proportions is little bit lighter than 173 cm man maximized proportionaly head and can be little bit shorter, so his shoulders can be little bit higher by proportios and then we can calculate his height as he is say up to 200 cm, but even at 200 cm his speed would be only 200/173=1.156, 15.6 % bigger, but then he would have less uneeded mass it's means, because body mass more counts in total mass than head mass at same length (of body/legs or head), then his mass like normal intuitivly can be puted not like 71.6 kg compare with 173 cm 50 kg man, but as some 75 kg, but still even 86/75=1.14667, 14.7% faster, but not as good as 15.6%. And that I this little mass addition calculate correct you intuitivly can find out from this 50*(200/173)^3=77.254 kg, so his mass index of running schoolboy can't be more than 77 kg even because of his sort(er) and light head. But air resistance, I think it's can be as his final bonus to run as fast as 1.73 cm 50kg man and also with helping it he could make one of his world record (I mean wind;). —Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.59.24.214 (talk) 13:04, 11 March 2010 (UTC)

In most places his weight is 86 kg, 88 kg, 89 kg and in one http://jamaicaathletics.org/Progression/men/usain_bolt.html even 75 kg. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.59.24.214 (talk) 14:07, 11 March 2010 (UTC)

Is anyone else impressed that the above contributor has managed to deduce the mass of Usain Bolt from elementary knowledge. This should be peer-reviewed and submitted for the Nobel for Medicine (or, failing that, the Ig Nobel). --Nucleusboy (talk) 19:55, 15 June 2010 (UTC)

Yeah LOL at the scientific analysis. I'm virtually the same height and weigh about 210 and have low body fat. I think 210 pounds is more believable for Bolt than 190. 190 really is very skinny for a 6'5" guy. I'd say he is definately over 200. Dr. Blofeld ^{White cat} 20:11, 15 June 2010 (UTC)

If there's a Nobel Prize for Alchemy, that bit of speculative mathematical nonsense will win.

An IAAF page just cited by an anonymous editor appears to give his weight as 76 kg, which is inexplicable -- I have reverted this. – Smyth\^talk 12:18, 30 June 2010 (UTC)

Johnson says he should try 400m

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/athletics/8557311.stm —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.119.232.42 (talk) 16:59, 10 March 2010 (UTC)

Pending changes

This article is one of a small number (about 100) selected for the first week of the trial of the Wikipedia:Pending Changes system on the English language Wikipedia. All the articles listed at Wikipedia:Pending changes/Queue are being considered for level 1 pending changes protection.

The following request appears on that page:

However with only a few hours to go, comments have only been made on two of the pages.

Please update the Queue page as appropriate.

Note that I am not involved in this project any more than any other editor, just posting these notes since it is quite a big change, potentially.

Regards, Rich Farmbrough, 20:45, 15 June 2010 (UTC).

Thanks Rich. œ^™ 01:13, 30 June 2010 (UTC)

Top speed

Someone had a section as top speed. It was calculated by taking the average speed from Usain's blocks start. This is average speed. I've changed the title to average speed for now but makes it a slightly pointless entry. Perhaps someone can get some data closing in on Usain's actual top speed speculating that he is also the fastest peak/top speed. Maybe a 50m to 70m split time? I believe peak speed is somewhere in the region of 27mph rather than an average of 23. Something like http://www.sportsscientists.com/2008/08/beijing-2008-men-100m-race-analysis.html --Chrisjwowen (talk) 23:24, 31 July 2010 (UTC)

At major championship meets they frequently do take FAT times for every 10 meters down the track. I have not seen the data on Bolt's Berlin performance, but it might exist.Trackinfo (talk) 06:18, 1 August 2010 (UTC)

I believe you're looking for this. SFB 11:47, 18 September 2010 (UTC)

So, a 60-80 time of 1.61 is 12.42 m/s, or 44.72 km/h, or 27.78 miles per hour, which is a much more representative figure than the average speed.

Fansite

Hello, i love the article and i dont want to change anything. I would like to however add my fanpage to the external links, if you could please help me with this i would be super happy.

Thank you

Best regards

Andrea VandreaV (talk) 14:45, 28 September 2010 (UTC)

Not done: please review WP:ELNO The Resident Anthropologist (talk) 15:34, 28 September 2010 (UTC)

PACE Sports Management

Usain Bolt's agent is Ricky Simms and he is managed by PACE Sports Management, www.pacesportsmanagement.com. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ricky Simms (talk • contribs) 11:50, 18 December 2010 (UTC)

Edit request, year of birth

Please change the year under personal information from 1988 to 1986.

 Done Stickee (talk) 04:54, 15 May 2011 (UTC)

Edit request from Pwesolek, 13 June 2011

Change non-working link

http://www.iaaf.org/statistics/toplists/inout=O/age=N/season=0/sex=M/all=y/legal=A/disc=100/detail.htmx

to

http://www.iaaf.org/statistics/toplists/inout=o/age=n/season=2011/sex=M/all=n/legal=A/disc=100/detail.html

Pwesolek (talk) 08:16, 13 June 2011 (UTC)

 Done. Feezo (send a signal | watch the sky) 01:45, 14 June 2011 (UTC)

Sorry, I messed up a link: it was pointing to season best, not all time best. The correct link is:

http://www.iaaf.org/statistics/toplists/inout=O/age=N/season=0/sex=M/all=y/legal=A/disc=100/detail.html

Re-done. Feezo (send a signal | watch the sky) 15:00, 14 June 2011 (UTC)

Edit request from PiotrMahey, 7 August 2011

I just wish to add something in the Personal Bests section.

PiotrMahey (talk) 16:48, 7 August 2011 (UTC)

Then you need to either specify here what you wanted added, or request to be Confirmed at WP:PERM so you can do it yourself--Jac16888 ^Talk 17:15, 7 August 2011 (UTC)

Edit request from marbe166, 29 August 2011

First paragraph: He is not the reigning World Champion in the 100 m anymore. --193.182.52.250 (talk) 11:38, 29 August 2011 (UTC)

I have removed the World Champion from that statement. --Jnorton7558 (talk) 12:48, 29 August 2011 (UTC)

Edit Request: Unclosed Parenthesis, 20 May 2012

Second paragraph: In the first sentence, there is an unclosed parenthesis

 Fixed Thanks. Dru of Id (talk) 09:45, 21 May 2012 (UTC)

Edit request on 27 June 2012

Please change the text: Sportspro has rated Usain Bolt as the 4th most remarkable athelete in the world.

Should read: Sportspro has rated Usain Bolt as the 4th most marketable athelete in the world.

Reference 13. http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/sports/off-the-field/MS-Dhoni-Mary-Kom-worlds-16th-38th-most-marketable-athletes/articleshow/14415674.cms 75.128.53.153 (talk) 04:07, 27 June 2012 (UTC)

Done A slightly different meaning, huh? Thanks for pointing out the error. Rivertorch (talk) 06:24, 27 June 2012 (UTC)

Edit request on 19 July 2012

Mistake

seven athletes (along with Valerie Adams, Veronica Campbell-Brown, Jacques Freitag, Yelena Isinbayeva, Jana Pittman, Dani Samuels) to win world championships at the youth, junior, and senior level of an athletic event.

David Storl has to be included.

93.132.154.173 (talk) 18:46, 19 July 2012 (UTC)

 Not done including Storl would require a Reliable Sources (RS); re-activate if you can cite such a verifiable source. Dru of Id (talk) 09:14, 20 July 2012 (UTC)

Edit request, father of baby girl

The following claim is made yet the reported source does not exist, if none can be found it should be removed:

Usain is the father of baby girl born 2011 name A’Naiyah Bolt with TOYA otherwise know as LUCKY CHARM — Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.69.216.88 (talk) 15:40, 20 July 2012 (UTC)

Resolved

 – Removed as a WP:BLP violation. The writing was unacceptably poor anyway.

Rivertorch (talk) 17:54, 20 July 2012 (UTC)

Way too much?

This article is tremendously detailed. Perhaps there's simply too much information in it? At the VERY least, I would suggest more and better sections/subsections.

-- Brhiba (talk) 23:37, 16 February 2012 (UTC)

But then again, at the opening ceremonies to the 2012 Summer Olympics, Usain Bolt was described as the "greatest sports person in the world" - so one would expect a lot of detail here. ACEOREVIVED (talk) 21:08, 31 July 2012 (UTC)

Edit request on 25 July 2012

The 150 meter record in Manchester, UK for Usain Bolt you indicated in wikipedia he did 100 meters in 8.70. This needs to be clarified as his 8.70 speed was measured from 50 meters to 150 meterss, or the flying 100 meters. reference: http://www.iaaf.org/lrr09/news/newsid=50606.html

68.231.75.42 (talk) 14:33, 25 July 2012 (UTC)

Not done: please be more specific about what needs to be changed. Requests need to be "change X to Y", not"change X". Mdann52 (talk) 18:55, 31 July 2012 (UTC)

Records

The article states that 9.58 is the fastest legal time ever recorded over 100m. It's important to highlight that 9.58 over 100m is the fastest time legal or illegal.—Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.78.40.162 (talk) 06:31, 21 August 2009 (UTC)

In the records section, the following sentence is no longer correct: "The Jamaican relay team including Bolt, set the 4x100 metres world and Olympic records at the 2008 Olympics with a time of 37.10 seconds. This is the only run in the IAAF top ten performances which was not set by an American team.[152]" The Jamiacan team's run in Berlin, 2009, is also a top ten performance. ~Kilu~ —Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.146.29.42 (talk) 10:15, 1 September 2009 (UTC)

This sentence, "Bolt also holds the second fastest time of 9.69 seconds (more precisely 9.683),[76] the current Olympic record.[78]" is no longer correct, as Bolt ran 9.63 to win the 100m final at the 2012 Olympics, and that time of 9.63 is now the second fastest in history. ~~David Graham, 5 August 2012 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 190.152.183.254 (talk) 02:23, 6 August 2012 (UTC)

2012

Yay, he won gold 2012 in 100m and broke an olympic record! Go Usain!!!! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.50.23.58 (talk) 20:56, 5 August 2012 (UTC)

Edit request on 5 August 2012

On 5th august 2012, Bolt ran the 100m in an olympic record time of 9.64 seconds.

9.63 actually Harrison du Plessis (talk) 21:26, 5 August 2012 (UTC) TinyTemper (talk) 20:58, 5 August 2012 (UTC)

Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. RudolfRed (talk) 01:22, 6 August 2012 (UTC)

37.59 km/h or 10.44 m/s

His 100 m average speed was 37.59 km/h or 10.44 m/s when he broke the world record in 9.58 seconds. However, during the 2010 USA vs. World Penn Relays, Usian Botl ran his 4 X 100 meter leg in 8.79 seconds. Shouldn't this be included? --Schwarzschachtel (talk) 08:01, 17 August 2009 (UTC)

Isn't that with a running start though? Caseykcole (talk) 18:08, 13 May 2010 (UTC)

Yes, Caseykcole - He was already in motion when they switched so that can't possibly count. Aediasse (talk) 12:23, 23 May 2010 (UTC)

Average speed is fairly worthless for 100 meters at any rate, since top speed during the race is a considerably higher figure; it is unclear what is meant by "can't possibly count:" count in terms of what? At any rate, 10-meter splits are available for the 100, and these clearly demonstrate a top-speed figure of well over 40 km/h. Average-speed figures are a bit abstract for the 100, really indicating nothing at all, as Bolt's actual running speed was at the average for a mere split second, while he held a speed above 40 km/h for more than 50 meters —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.186.8.66 (talk) 19:06, 25 March 2011 (UTC)

Bolt's 60-80 meter time of 1.61 (during the 9.58 WR) is 12.42 m/s, or 44.72 km/h, or 27.78 miles per hour, which is a much more representative figure than the average speed.

Please change to MPH and not KPH, Its only America in the whole world who uses KPH, Its too hard to work out for the rest of the globe. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.115.97.42 (talk) 02:08, 3 August 2012 (UTC)

America and the UK use mph, the rest of the world use kph... Given that measurements are in metres it would be inconsistent to use mph - unless inches, feet and yard were used for the running distances. 89.243.242.27 (talk) 01:33, 10 August 2012 (UTC)

Does Usain Bolt have African Islamic ancestry?

I think it would be interesting to discover whether Usain Bolt had African Islamic ancestry- possibly as a result of the Atlantic slave trade. This info if proven could be added to the “Early years” section of the article. I only raise this issue as a possibility because I find it quite strange that he as well as his siblings have the following names:

• Usain- this is a derivative name of Husayn 1, which is a very popular Islamic name for boys.
• Sadeeki- this is a Swahili word derived from the Arabic word sadeek or sadik 2, 3, which is not a common first name but common in titles or surnames of male Muslims.
• Sherine- the name Sherine is originally a Persian female name that was later adopted by the Arabs.

Why were they all named these Arab or Islamic affiliated names? If not for a distant African Muslim ancestry then perhaps there is another interesting reason for this, which could be added to the article.Artefactual (talk) 08:14, 16 September 2010 (UTC)

Those are some interesting thoughts. I'll keep me eye out and see if any investigation is being done on this topic. SFB 11:47, 18 September 2010 (UTC)

I suspect looking for African Muslim ancestry may be barking up the wrong tree: one consequence of the slave trade was the loss of cultural identity, even at the very fundamental level of language and (to a lesser extent, see Obeah) religion. What about the very strong cultural influence of Shia Islam on Trinidad and Tobago, Jamaica, and other parts of the Caribbean), via indentured laborers from British India. See e.g. the article on the festival Hosay (Hussay in Jamaica), which although celebrated by all ethnic communities and lacking explicit religious rather than cultural significance for most of them, actually developed as a variant of the Shia festival of Ashura - in honor of Husayn, of course. This is essentially speculation, of course, but at first sight the fact that Shia-influenced names might be more common in Jamaica than e.g. Puerto Rico, seems much more likely than the "African Islamic origin" hypothesis. I'm tentative about the WP:RS value, but the Jamaica Star Online says "The name 'Usain' was picked out for the sprinter by his aunt, Betsy Davis. When The Star contacted her yesterday, she said that she could not immediately recall what the name meant, jokingly stating it was 22 years ago that she chose it. She did, however, mention that the runner's pet name, 'Vijay', was a Hindi word/name meaning 'victory'." I've seen that article referenced elsewhere in other newspapers, but that seems to be the original source. Take it with a pinch of salt if you will, but it doesn't sound as if Bolt's parents (Wellesley and Jennifer) had suddenly discovered Islamic ancestry and named him in honor of it. TheGrappler (talk) 04:57, 27 August 2011 (UTC)

I don't know anything about his ancestry, but given that he makes the sign of the cross after he races, I think it's safe to conclude that his religion is Christianity and not Islam. I'm guessing his family simply liked non-Western names. 12.239.145.114 (talk) 06:27, 17 December 2011 (UTC)

The question is not about whether Usain Bolt makes the sign of the cross. It's about his parents and the other people who named him. He was born in the 1980s, back in a time when blacks were still not ashamed to be Muslim. Remember Kareem Abdul Jabbar and Jamaal Wilkes? It is possible (in fact, going by the names Usain and Sadeeki it is more than probable) that his parents had Muslim leanings when they named their children. The aunt's statement, that she has forgotten why she gave him such an odd, non-Christian name, holds no water. In fact, it would be interesting to see his birth certificate. It might even say Husain. So, Usain Bolt may make the sign of the cross. The question is: what were his parents thinking when they named him and his brother Usain and Sadeeki, and his sister Sherine? (Common spellings in English: Husain, Saddiqqui, Shereen) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 27.106.30.206 (talk) 00:16, 4 August 2012 (UTC)

In addition, it must be pointed out that although he makes the sign of the cross before the race, after the race he goes down on his knees and touches his forehead to the ground, the Muslim manner of prayer. A look at the London Olympic final will verify this. It would be very interesting if he would deal with the issue of his name in his autobiography. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 27.106.30.77 (talk) 17:43, 6 August 2012 (UTC)

Speculation is not good enough for Wikipedia. We need reliable sources. There is nothing to indicate Bolt is Muslim, and besides Islam or Muslim is not an ancestry. It is just a religion/political ideology. --Τασουλα (talk) 20:03, 9 August 2012 (UTC)

The Pope used to kiss the ground as well, doesn't make him a muslim. This is a non issue. -- fdewaele, 9 August 2012, 22:06.

Edit Request 10th August 2012

"He also is the first man ever to defend both the 100 m and 200 m title at consecutive Olympics."

Surely should be "He also is the first man ever to successfully defend both the 100 m and 200 m title at consecutive Olympics." 89.243.242.27 (talk) 01:41, 10 August 2012 (UTC)

4x400 PB?

The PBs table is missing his 4x400m PB. As he raced in this event before, such a PB should be listed in the table. -- 70.24.247.242 (talk) 06:42, 10 August 2012 (UTC)

Usain Bolts' net worth

It is ridiculous to state or even assume that Usain Bolts' net worth is 6 million. Just the fact alone that he makes over 20 million each year and is also the highest paid sprinter of all time. Please do some more research on this and you may refer to here: http://urbanislandz.com/2012/08/09/usain-bolt-net-worth-20-million-athlete-rich-list/ For now I'm changing the net worth to 20 million us — Preceding unsigned comment added by JamaicanMD (talk • contribs) 17:59, 11 August 2012 (UTC)

What are you referring to? The article made no statement about his net worth. What's ridiculous is claiming he has been active since 1975 [3] when he was born in 1986. Please don't add nonsense to Wikipedia. PrimeHunter (talk) 21:49, 11 August 2012 (UTC)

Years Active

Hi all,

Just noticed an error on the personal data for years active, now as brilliant as Usain Bolt is, he could not have been active 11 years before he was born: -

Years active 1975–present

Could someone with editor ability (this is a protected article) change this, I think it's 2001-present

regards

Agmj (talk) 18:36, 11 August 2012 (UTC)

Scoliosis

Someting resembling the following text needs to be inserted in the subsection 'Early professional career (2004–2007)':

After a spate of injuries, Bolt was diagnosed with [[scoliosis]], as a result of which his right leg measures 1.4 cm shorter than the left. It was feared he would have to give up his sporting career until he began working with German sports doctor, [[Hans-Wilhelm Müller-Wohlfahrt]] and Glen Mills.<ref>Daily Beast, 16 July 2012 [http://www.thedailybeast.com/newsweek/2012/07/15/jamaica-s-usain-bolt-is-he-still-the-world-s-fastest-runner.html Jamaica’s Usain Bolt: Is He Still the World’s Fastest Runner?]</ref><ref>Simon Turnbull (7 August 2012). [http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/olympics/athletics/healing-hans-puts-sprint-king-bolt-back-in-shape-after-dip-in-performance-8010236.html 'Healing Hans' puts sprint king Bolt back in shape after dip in performance]</ref>

Already done In other places in the article. Mdann52 (talk) 19:24, 12 August 2012 (UTC)

Is Usain Bolt now the Greatest Athlete Ever?

Many articles on the web are now discussing whether Usain Bolt is the greatest athlete ever. For example: http://futures.tradingcharts.com/news/futures/Jim_Souhan__Usain_Bolt_greatest_athlete_who_ever_lived_183537161.html

The frequently seen argument goes more or less like this. Quite a few athletes in other disciplines won even more gold medals than Bolt. The most decorated Olympians are swimmers and gymnasts from large countries who won many team events.

But they did not win in mankind's quintessential sport, which is running. Almost every human can run short distances. That's what humans are made for. Almost every kid once tried to be faster than his friends. But few can swim. Even fewer can swim in 4 different styles (that's why a single swimmer can collect so many medals). And perhaps even fewer would be able to participate in any of the many gymnastics events (that's why a single gymnast can collect so many medals). So the potential competition in swimming and gymnastics is tiny compared to sprinting.

Since Bolt is the only person ever to win 6 gold medals and set dramatically improved world records in the quintessential sport of humankind, a good case could be made he's indeed the greatest athlete of all time.

Not true, Leonidas of Rhodes won 12 running events, over four consecutive Olympiads, so is arguably significantly more accomplished than Bolt. --Dingowasher (talk) 17:16, 12 August 2012 (UTC)

Should we mention some sources along these lines in the article?

Kraut Funding (talk) 11:20, 12 August 2012 (UTC)

The Greatest Athlete Ever!^TM is Esther Vergeer. Abso-freaking-lutely nobody else has been the undisputed and unbeaten World Champion in any sport for longer and more matches than she has. The last time she came second in a singles match was in 2001. She has not been beaten in well over four hundred matches. End of debate. (Watch her in action in a few weeks time.) Roger (talk) 11:50, 12 August 2012 (UTC)

Most people are disallowed to compete against her so she has an unfair advantage. The International Tennis Federation regulations for wheelchair tennis 2012 [4] page 9 IV.2.a) says: "In order to be eligible to compete in ITF sanctioned wheelchair tennis tournaments and the Paralympic Games, a player must have a medically diagnosed permanent mobility related physical disability. This permanent physical disability must result in a substantial loss of function in one or both lower extremities." PrimeHunter (talk) 13:43, 12 August 2012 (UTC)

Some of the many references for "World’s Most Marketable Athlete", "Greatest Athlete Ever": Usain Bolt has been called the world’s most marketable athlete and the greatest athlete ever. Kraut Funding (talk) 16:13, 12 August 2012 (UTC)

Re: Edit by User:Dingowasher: The French IOC president Jacques Rogge once condemned Bolt's actions (slowing down early) as disrespectful, while Lamine Diack, president of the IAAF, supported Bolt. The conflict between Rogge and Diack should not be carried into the introduction to Bolt. Kraut Funding (talk) 16:57, 12 August 2012 (UTC)

I think it might be a bit early to call Usain Bolt the greatest athlete ever, especially in the article lead. Other high achieving athletes include Leonidas of Rhodes who won three separate running events in four consecutive Olympiads? Or Astylos of Crotona who won running events in three consecutive Olympiads? Hermogenes of Xanthus who won 8 individual Olympic events? See eg http://www.mlahanas.de/Greeks/Athletes.htm Perhaps Bolt's status could be put in a more reserved way / counter arguments put forward? --Dingowasher (talk) 17:06, 12 August 2012 (UTC)

I think the next step to support these claims would be to find references calling Astylos of Crotona and Hermogenes of Xanthus "the greatest athletes ever," and add them to the articles on Astylos of Crotona and Hermogenes of Xanthus. Kraut Funding (talk) 17:16, 12 August 2012 (UTC)

The previous website points us towards the source Pausanias, Description of Greece, Books I (Attica, Corinth). As we have a string source for Leonidas of Rhodes perhaps we should remove the Bolt description to a latter section of the article? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dingowasher (talk • contribs) 17:21, 12 August 2012 (UTC)

While I privately think you could indeed argue that Leonidas of Rhodes was the greatest runner ever, and perhaps the greatest athlete ever, the challenge is to find official references to support this claim. If you can find any, add them to the article on Leonidas of Rhodes, not to the introduction of Bolt. Same for other candidates. For example, many call Pelé the greatest athlete ever (the IOC named him athlete of the century). The right place for the corresponding references is the article on Pelé, not the introduction to Bolt. Kraut Funding (talk) 19:37, 12 August 2012 (UTC)

Regardless of where we come out on this, the one thing that should clearly be distinguished between is calling him the greatest athlete, and stating that others have called him that. The former is not supported in any way shape or form as it is an inherently subjective title. That would be like labeling a given band the best musical act in the world because they're called it by a couple sources. Saying that he has been called the best athlete in the world is wholly supportable by the sources. It does what we are supposed to do..refer to sources, not make definitive statements on our own.76.238.186.96 (talk) 03:36, 13 August 2012 (UTC)

Better introduction - first to hold world records in both 100m and 200m - first double double - first double triple - first with 6 gold medals in sprinting

The present article fails to make clear that Usain Bolt is the first athlete in history to hold both the 100m world record and the 200m world record. Kraut Funding (talk) 21:09, 6 August 2012 (UTC)

In fact, the introduction contains lots of minor achievements (by his standards) that should only appear further down, such as: 1. "...is one of only seven athletes to win world championships at the youth, junior, and senior level of an athletic event." 2. "...breaking the previous world junior record held by Roy Martin by two-tenths of a second." 3. "... he broke Don Quarrie's almost 36-year-old 200 metre Jamaican record with a run of 19.75 s." 4. "Bolt won a 200 m gold medal at the 2002 World Junior Championships, making him the competition's youngest-ever gold medalist at the time (since surpassed by Jacko Gill)." 5. The following conjunction looks as if the simultaneous 100m and 200m world records are not enough to stand out: "This made him the first man to hold both the 100 and 200 m world and Olympic titles at the same time." In particular, references to others such as Roy Martin and Jacko Gill should have no place in the introduction to the world's fastest man. I suggest to rewrite and shorten the introduction as follows, focusing only on his most outstanding, unmatched achievements:

Usain St. Leo Bolt, OJ, C.D. (/ˈjuːseɪn/; born 21 August 1986), is a Jamaican sprinter widely known as the fastest man ever. He is the first man to hold both the 100 metres and 200 metres world records. Along with his teammates, he also set the world record in the 4×100 metres relay. He is the reigning Olympic champion in these three events, and a five-time World and four-time Olympic gold medalist. His 2009 record breaking margin for 100 m, from 9.69 to 9.58, is the highest since the start of fully automatic time measurements.

His achievements in sprinting have earned him the media nickname "Lightning Bolt", and awards including the IAAF World Athlete of the Year, Track & Field Athlete of the Year, and Laureus Sportsman of the Year. Sportspro has rated Usain Bolt as the 4th most marketable athlete in the world.

Kraut Funding (talk)

I also added references for the claims "fastest man ever", "first double double", "highest paid track and field athlete ever". Here the revision:

Usain St. Leo "Lightning" Bolt, OJ, C.D. (/ˈjuːseɪn/; born 21 August 1986), is a Jamaican sprinter widely regarded as the fastest man ever. He is the first man to hold both the 100 metres and 200 metres world records. Along with his teammates, he also set the world record in the 4×100 metres relay. He is the reigning Olympic champion in these three events, and a five-time World and five-time Olympic gold medalist. He is also the first man ever to achieve the "double double" by winning 100 m and 200 m titles at consecutive Olympics (2008 & 2012). His 2009 record breaking margin for 100 m, from 9.69 (his own previous world record) to 9.58, is the highest since the start of fully automatic time measurements. His achievements in sprinting have earned him the media nickname "Lightning Bolt", and awards including the IAAF World Athlete of the Year, Track & Field Athlete of the Year, and Laureus Sportsman of the Year. He is the highest paid athlete ever in track and field.

Kraut Funding (talk) 09:01, 10 August 2012 (UTC)

Yesterday he became the first man ever with 6 gold medals in sprinting events. And the first with a double triple. This calls for yet another slight rewrite of the introduction:

Usain St. Leo "Lightning" Bolt, OJ, C.D. (/ˈjuːseɪn/; born 21 August 1986), is a Jamaican sprinter widely regarded as the fastest man ever. He is the first man to hold both the 100 metres and 200 metres world records. Along with his teammates, he also set the world record in the 4×100 metres relay. He is the reigning Olympic champion in these three events, the first man ever to win 6 Olympic gold medals in sprinting, and a five-time World champion. He was the first to achieve a "double double" by winning 100 m and 200 m titles at consecutive Olympics (2008 and 2012), and topped this through the first "double triple" (including 4x100m relays). His 2009 record breaking margin for 100 m, from 9.69 (his own previous world record) to 9.58, is the highest since the start of fully automatic time measurements. His achievements in sprinting have earned him the media nickname "Lightning Bolt", and awards including the IAAF World Athlete of the Year, Track & Field Athlete of the Year, and Laureus Sportsman of the Year. He is the highest paid athlete ever in track and field. Kraut Funding (talk) 07:10, 12 August 2012 (UTC)

The present article fails to make clear that Usain Bolt is the first athlete in history to hold both the 100m world record and the 200m world record. This is not true. Charles Paddock and Ralph Metcalfe both held the 100m and 200m records. If one looks at the 200m record progression here at wikipedia, one sees that indeed, Bolt is the only person who appears on both lists. However, that is because the original 200 m event (straight) was discarded in 1976 in favour of 200 m (bend) which was only recognized from 1951 as a separate record but is now recognized as the only record. Charles Paddock set a record of 21.2y in 1923, and Ralph Metcalfe ran 21.0 in 1933. Both held records in the 100m. Canada Jack (talk) 17:41, 14 August 2012 (UTC)

To fix this potential issue: He is the first man to hold both the 100 metres and 200 metres world records since the start of fully automatic time measurements. Kraut Funding (talk) 08:24, 16 August 2012 (UTC)

Again, not quite accurate, as we had auto times as far back as the 1930s. Perhaps you mean when auto times became mandatory, which was in 1977. But is this notable? Maybe, maybe not. It owuld be more notable to state that it's the first time since, as far as I can determine, when Jesse Owens took the 100m record to 10.2 in 1936, and Ralph Metcalfe ceased to be (co-)holder of the 100m and 200m record. So, the first in 72 years (1936 to 2008). But it is hard to confirm this precisely as it is hard to locate the IAAF's discarded records lists, and therefore hard to determine who held the 200m from 1912 to 1976. Indeed, though remote, the possibility remains that someone held both records as late as 1976, but without those old lists, we can't be definitive. Canada Jack (talk) 20:16, 16 August 2012 (UTC)

To be safe, we should say when fully electronic timing became mandatory, ie, since 1977. Canada Jack (talk) 20:16, 16 August 2012 (UTC)

D'oh! How could I miss this... Donald Quarrie held both records (co-held, that is), from May 22, 1976 until auto-times became mandatory, a little more than 7 months later. Canada Jack (talk) 20:23, 16 August 2012 (UTC)

Edit request on 9 August 2012

Hello, I am not sure whether the change I am asking about is correct or not, but - should this sentence in the 1st paragraph - 'He also is the first man ever to DEFEND both the 100m and 200m title at consecutive Olympics'. not be - 'He also is the first man ever to SUCCESSFULLY DEFEND both the 100m and 200m title at consecutive Olympics'? The reason I'm asking is - I don't know if anyone has unsuccessfully defended the 100 and 200 Olympic Gold medals before and if someone has or not - Usain is still the first man ever to have successfully defended both.

I'll leave it in more knowledgeable minds than mine :)

All the best

John

Pithead (talk) 21:27, 9 August 2012 (UTC) Thanks, but Not done:. Mdann52 (talk) 19:26, 12 August 2012 (UTC)

Just for the record, as this has been fixed already, Carl Lewis successfully defended his 100 m title in 1988, but won silver in the 200 m. And Valery Borzov unsuccessfully defended his 100m title in 1976, finishing third, and while listed for the 200 m, failed to compete in his heat. Canada Jack (talk) 17:51, 14 August 2012 (UTC)

Greatest athlete ever - Seriously?

The cited references to this statement are very weak - Futures and Commodity Market News and Steroid Nation? The Telegraph reference cites another, non-notable figure with making this assertion. I am sure he "has been called" lots of things, but you should avoid vague assertions, particularly from non-reputable sources, when projecting that someone is the greatest athlete in the history of the world. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.176.228.82 (talk) 16:05, 15 August 2012 (UTC)

Please go to the section "Greatest athlete ever" - these are just some of the references referring to VIPs who said this. Kraut Funding (talk) 08:11, 8 September 2012 (UTC)

"The Honourable"

Why is Bolt entitled to use this honorific title? 101090ABC (talk) 11:13, 20 July 2012 (UTC)

It comes with his membership of the Order of Jamaica. Roger (talk) 21:59, 11 August 2012 (UTC)

Thanks. 101090ABC (talk) 19:53, 19 August 2012 (UTC)

Double Triple or Triple Double?

It's written differently in the lead and it's section. Bzweebl (talk • contribs) 17:45, 12 August 2012 (UTC)

It doesn't have its own section anymore. Ericoides (talk) 05:50, 16 August 2012 (UTC)

Fastest man ever?

Bolt is the fastest man ever in the 100 metre and 200 metre distances, not in 400 metres, 800 metres, marathon etc. It is misleading to describe him as the fastest man ever without qualifying what distances he is fastest in. What is to say that the person who holds the marathon record is not the fastest man ever? It is completely arbitrary to select one specific distance and say a person is the fastest ever. Maurice Greene holds the 60 metre record for example. Would anyone have any objections to making the sentence more accurate saying that Bolt is the fastest man within 2 specific distances?--89.243.92.166 (talk) 17:41, 14 August 2012 (UTC)

It's all about sources who call him the fastest. (One could add more sources saying that he's the sprinter with the highest speed ever measured.) If you find sources that call some marathon winner the fastest man ever, you can add those sources to that marathon winner's article. Kraut Funding (talk) 08:34, 16 August 2012 (UTC)

2012 Olympics?

There is no mention on this page of Bolt's 2012 achievements at the London Games - perhaps someone could work on enriching the article in this area? I just seems rather odd that 2012 is not even alluded to be the article.--Minigoody101 (talk) 11:18, 20 October 2012 (UTC) REVISION: Don't worry - someone added it :/

References in popular culture

Should there be a section for Usain Bolt references in popular culture? At least Finnish band, Don Johnson Big Band, made a song dedicated to him titled "Running Man."

— Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.214.37.50 (talk) 12:39, 14 December 2009‎ (UTC)

sponsorship

He's also an ambassador for Hublot — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.187.186.214 (talk) 12:09, 4 January 2013 (UTC)

Edit request on 16 February 2013

he was in the celebrity all star basketball game PUT THAT ON THERE!!!! i thought wikipedia was up to date 72.74.81.43 (talk) 22:46, 16 February 2013 (UTC)

Wikipedia is only up to date if people make the effort to update it. Done, but next time please provide a source and suggested wording. Adrian J. Hunter^{(talk•contribs)} 12:51, 18 February 2013 (UTC)

Catholic? Is that reliable?

The source for this is one sentence in an article by somebody called David Kerr in the Catholic News Agency (www.catholicnewsagency.com/news/vatican-invites-usain-bolt-to-address-religious-liberty-conference ). The sentence also says his middle name is Saint Leo (which the Wikipedia article also says) and that he is known for making the Sign of the Cross before races. Two of the six comments in the source complain that he doesn't make a proper Sign of the Cross. Maybe they do it differently in Jamaica, but the video I've seen did not convince me that this was conclusive evidence of him being a Christian, let alone a Catholic. By the St Leo middle name test, Barack Hussein Obama would be 'proven' a Muslim. The internet contains various claims that he is a Muslim, that Usain means 'Hussein', that he or his family converted 20 or 25 years ago, and that kissing the ground after a race is the Muslim sujood - obviously Pope John Paul II must have been a secret Muslim too - or that he's a Protestant as almost all Jamaicans allegedly are. Given such claims about one of the most famous and documented people on the planet, if he really is reliably known to be a Catholic, it should be possible to find a more neutral and reliable source than a single sentence by some journalist in the Catholic News Agency. Meanwhile, until such other sources are found, I am putting 'According to the Catholic News Agency' in front of the statement in the article, as I understand (perhaps mistakenly, but based on somewhat similar instances elsewhere) that this is the recommended procedure in cases of this kind. Tlhslobus (talk) 11:24, 20 April 2013 (UTC)

Format for The Honourable, Ambassador, etc

I've added 'The Honourable' to the infobox (it was already written there, but not appearing, perhaps due to an infobox bug) plus the letter OJ and CD (one of these was already there but not appearing). And I've added explanations of the honours in the Recognition section. I'm still looking for an explanation for Ambassador, a title used for him in the official Jamaican Government website, so I haven't yet added that title anywhere except as part of a quote in the citation.

• Does anybody have any info re Ambassador?
• Where do Wiki style guidelines cover these titles?
• Should he be Ambassador The Honourable Usain Bolt, OJ, CD in the opening sentence?
• Should he be Ambassador The Honourable Usain Bolt, OJ, CD in the infobox?
  
  

The Jamaican Government website has him as 'Ambassador The Hon. Usain Bolt'. Gary Sobers of Barbados and West Indies is The Right Excellent Sir Garfield Sobers (no letters) in his infobox, but Sir Garfield Sobers plus letters (but no The Right Excellent) in the opening sentence. Bobby Charlton of England is 'Sir Robert "Bobby" Charlton CBE' in his opening sentence, and Sir Bobby Charlton in his infobox. I'm Irish and not particularly comfortable with the whole notion of titles (we tend to be brought up with notions like that of George Bernard Shaw, in Arms and the Man, I think, that the highest rank in a republic should be that of free citizen, meaning the only rank), but our inconsistent treatment of British vs Caribbean titles may risk accusations of racism, etc... Tlhslobus (talk) 14:39, 20 April 2013 (UTC)

WB?

The infobox has "150 m: 14.35 WB". What is WB? Is that supposed to be WR? — RockMFR 02:19, 7 June 2013 (UTC)

I believe that WB stands for "World Best". It's not an official record according to the IAAF. 76.64.121.159 (talk) 05:31, 5 July 2013 (UTC)

Right. It has a note [5] and the article calls it world best in three other places but the infobox uses abbreviations. PrimeHunter (talk) 10:27, 5 July 2013 (UTC)

Worlds Greatest Athlete?

This type of fluff does not belong in the lead. Both sources quote one person, Lamine Diack, calling him that. It's not notable. Dkspartan1 (talk) 14:00, 3 August 2013 (UTC)

Iconic Moscow 2013 image

I uploaded this image. It's been sent ofr non-free content review here. Elissa Rubria Honoria (talk) 00:10, 18 August 2013 (UTC)

Wife/Girlfriend

Should his girlfriends be added to his personal life section?

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/usain-bolt-dumped-by-british-office-1502719

http://elitedaily.com/sports/usain-bolt-dumps-girlfriend-concentrate-olympics/

Might give insight into his personality and mostly biography. I do not know if he has ever been married.

Bluespeakers (talk) 15:19, 30 October 2013 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 12 March 2014

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Semi-protected edit request on 1 October 2014

180.216.81.209 (talk) 06:53, 1 October 2014 (UTC)

Marking as answered. User has said nothing in the request. Edit summary said change it to slowest runner. --Rsrikanth05 (talk) 09:40, 1 October 2014 (UTC)

Triple double vs. double triple

If we insist on using one of these terms, it should be the latter. Obviously the term "triple double" is more common, but it refers to a different kind of phenomenon. In this case, Bolt achieved a "triple" twice, hence a "double triple". He didn't achieve a "double" thrice, hence not a "triple double". — Preceding unsigned comment added by 139.218.218.86 (talk) 08:06, 23 December 2014 (UTC)

youtube

upload a video about Usain Bolt running with a camera at Commonwealth Games. --Bolt running with a camera (talk) 12:55, 17 January 2015 (UTC)

Youtube is not an acceptable source for Wikipedia articles, due to copyright issues. See Restrictions on linking. Joseph2302 (talk) 13:19, 14 February 2015 (UTC)

bolt

bolt is the fastest runner i have ever met in my life i remember the day i first saw him in person i screamed iwent down toto the race just to see him and had so much fun there lol♥ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.110.35.116 (talk) 00:07, 6 February 2014 (UTC)

Dwayne Jarrett is not http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dwayne_Jarrett - a jamaican high school coach is different from an NFL player (younger than Bolt) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.199.161.4 (talk) 09:34, 18 March 2015 (UTC)

Outdated statistics

100 m is outdated: "Usain Bolts' best times on 100 m and 200 m" does not show 9.87 -0.8 London (Olympic Stadium) 24 JUL and 9.87 -1.2 London (Olympic Stadium) 24 JUL (http://www.iaaf.org/athletes/jamaica/usain-bolt-184599#progression). — Preceding unsigned comment added by JohannesNorz (talk • contribs) 11:18, 9 August 2015 (UTC)

Leonidas of Rhodos

I've removed the references to Leonidas of Rhodos as the source appears to be a conspiracy theory website--http://www.sovereignman.com/trends/usain-bolt-has-got-nothing-on-leonidas-of-rhodos-17312/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by DanJazzy (talk • contribs) 05:54, 24 August 2015 (UTC)

Height/Weight in infobox

I find it rather weird that his height in the infobox is given with imperial units, and metric units in brackets and opposite for weight. Would it be possible to have it rearranged for consistency? I know it's a small issue, it's just looks weird. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2.111.81.59 (talk) 19:00, 24 August 2015 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 10 October 2015

The source for the nickname in the lead redirects to the home page. Please change to this archive.org version: https://web.archive.org/web/20120112120321/http://www.iaaf.org/news/athletes/newsid=36356.html 85.178.212.184 (talk) 05:50, 10 October 2015 (UTC)

• Done! Note I've cited the live page for that article rather than the archive one. SFB 16:25, 11 October 2015 (UTC)

Thx. BTW, the dead-url parameter is pretty convenient to head off link rot. ;) 85.178.216.195 (talk) 19:18, 11 October 2015 (UTC)

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http://speedendurance.com/2008/08/22/usain-bolt-100m-10-meter-splits-and-speed-endurance/ http://sportsscientists.com/2008/08/beijing-2008-men-100m-race-analysis/ Based on the data from these sites Bolt got to the 80 meter mark in 200.59 seconds at the 2008 Olympics. If that is true, a time of 200.59 is highly unlikely. He would have needed to run the last 20 meters in 300 seconds. Bolt's fastest 10 meter split is 0.81 from the 2009 World Championship, even two of those from 80-100 would have resulted in a 9.60, but he wasn't going to run that fast. Runners tend to slow down at the end of a race, so the estimate of 9.64 from speedendurance.com makes sense.

--Xxxaabbxxx (talk) 13:10, 26 July 2016 (UTC)xxxaabbxxx--Xxxaabbxxx (talk) 13:10, 26 July 2016 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 28 July 2016

Max Speed: 43 Km/h - 26 mph Sherif1988 (talk) 02:32, 28 July 2016 (UTC)

 Not done The maximum speed listed is consistent with the 1.61 second split time. Gap9551 (talk) 02:35, 28 July 2016 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 9 August 2016

Outlaw337 (talk) 18:42, 9 August 2016 (UTC) usaine bolt really was born in 1983

Do you have sources? Gap9551 (talk) 18:51, 9 August 2016 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 13 August 2016

Section 2.11 2015 Beijing World Championships

Fifth sentence "He won the won the 200 m in New York and Ostrava, but his season's best time of 20.13 seconds ranked him 20th in the world going into the championships."

The words "... won the won the ..." are repeated. "He won the 200 m in New York and Ostrava, but his season's best time of 20.13 seconds ranked him 20th in the world going into the championships." could be cleaner.

Avurax (talk) 20:03, 13 August 2016 (UTC)

Done. Topher385 (talk) 01:34, 16 August 2016 (UTC)

Done - Not sure if edit was not saved by Topher385, but duplicated text was still there - fixed and saved - LOL, or we were there at the same time, I see. Irish Melkite (talk) 01:36, 16 August 2016 (UTC)

Heh. Not sure what happened there, but thanks for double checking!Topher385 (talk) 01:50, 16 August 2016 (UTC)

Fastest

Hi there, I like the jhon cena article on usain bolt but why is he 'widely regarded as the faste JHON CEANAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAo-Jo who is admittedly a controversial figure, after her premature demise, is worded in a similar way but when I look at the swimming records, Cesar Cielo is entered as 'Current 50m and 100m record holder' and wouldn't this be better way of expressing the achievements of people? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.152.240.18 (talk) 00:53, 1 July 2015 (UTC)

@109.152.240.18: (moved from user talk) The term "fastest" is relative: he's not the fastest person over 400 m or the marathon. Most take fastest to mean "has reached the highest velocity at a single point in time un-aided". There are no accurate recordings of exact top speed in the sprints, or most other sports for that matter, so "widely regarded" is a caveat to these points, I presume. Stating the records held is perhaps a more objective method of discussing this information, but when it comes to Mr. Bolt non-track fans are particularly keen on this idea that we only have indirect proof of (through him having the fastest 10 m split in a timed track sprint, which makes the point much less interesting when phrased that way). SFB 17:35, 1 July 2015 (UTC)

JohannesNorz (talk) 11:23, 9 August 2015 (UTC) In my opinion you're right. Maybe something like "the fastest sprinter ever" would be right, even though he is not the fastest on 400: his speed is faster than Michael Johnson. The term "fastest sprinter" always points to a 100 (or 60) meter runner.

I actually think that the reference should be removed entirely. It currently reads: "Regarded as the fastest person ever..." This doesn't cite any sources and doesn't indicate who regards him as the fastest person ever. It would be more accurate to say something like "Regarded by many as the fastest person ever" along with several citations. However, I really don't think that it's necessary even to say that; the article itself makes perfectly clear that he is an extremely fast person. 74.71.86.209 (talk) 20:48, 27 August 2015 (UTC)

No, the first point here is correct. It would be better to simply say "the fastest sprinter ever" or the "current 100m and 200m world record holder". Using the term regarded implies it's not measurable and nobody regards 400m runners as faster than 100m or 200m runners since in absolute terms, the 100m and 200m runners are faster, they just don't maintain the speed for as long. I came to the talk page to raise the same point and someone else already had. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 121.220.65.230 (talk) 05:39, 10 April 2016 (UTC)

I think it actually should read "regarded as the fastest person who has ever lived" for two reasons. First, the 100m dash, especially at the Olympics, is considered the race to determine the fastest person on earth (see: New York Times: http://www.nytimes.com/2016/08/15/sports/olympics/usain-bolt-100-meters-justin-gatlin-results.html; see also Time Magazine: http://time.com/4451806/usain-bolt-gold-rio-2016-olympics-100-meters-gatlin-blake/.) Second, he has the fastest footspeed ever recorded, at over 27 mph in the middle of his record breaking run in Beijing. (See, Wired: http://www.wired.com/2010/02/40-mph-human/.). Natedit (talk) 13:44, 16 August 2016 (UTC)Nate Stein

2013 and Gaitlin doping

Gaitlin was suspended and stripped of wins recently, I believe in 2013. The article talks about the, competing a lot but des not not this (which bummed Bolt to a win for several races I think). Could someone adjust to clarify? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:19B:4200:25F0:D884:BC9B:75D1:25D8 (talk) 02:59, 19 August 2016 (UTC)

Personal Life - religion

Please provide evidence that Bolt is a Catholic. The citation quoted simply states he was invited to a Vatican conference on religious freedom (as were others) - it does not state he is a Catholic. He was raised in a Seventh-day Adventist family, though he himself was never a member. See . Ptilinopus (talk) 12:33, 19 August 2016 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 21 August 2016

Please change "Jamaica Sportsman of the year: 2008, 2009, 2011, 2012, 2013" to "Jamaica Sportsman of the year: 2008, 2009, 2011, 2012, 2013, 2015" Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jamaican_Sportsperson_of_the_Year

Siim.kumpas (talk) 21:31, 21 August 2016 (UTC)

Not done: Wikipedia can't be used as source VarunFEB2003 ^{I am Offline} 13:33, 22 August 2016 (UTC)

Dubios

In 2016, he became the first track athlete in the modern Olympics to win three gold medals in an individual discipline. The phrasing is poor. "Track" as a substitute for the sport described as Athletics. Ray Ewry, Al Oerter, Viktor Saneyev , Carl Lewis, Robert Korzeniowski and Jan Železný fit that definition provided. Isolating the phrase, yes, he is the only one of them to perform (the majority of his work) on a running track, but that would slide by most Americans. Trackinfo (talk) 23:08, 22 August 2016 (UTC)