Talk:USS Cyclops

Query

What I would like to use for a discussion page for the Cyclops is the allegation it may have been discovered by a diver off the Virginia Capes in 1968 while engaged in the search for the lost submarine USS Scorpion. It is possible that other divers may have seen the same wreck without realizing it. Carajou 18:39, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

• See LAwrence David Kusche's "The Bermuda Triangle Mystery-Solved!" —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.83.126.88 (talk) 01:05, 9 April 2010 (UTC)

Just a thought was she sunk by liquifaction of the Manganese Ore cargo .... That can flip a vessel in no time ??? Stormbringer260264 (talk) 20:50, 4 June 2022 (UTC)

Trivia

I removed the following entry until such time that a citation is provided:

The Cyclops appears in a series of books in which she appears without crew in a parallel universe in which the stories are set. She apparently steams into a big port, stopping only after running into a quayside; investigation finds that she is another ship that built itself, revealing that this is the place many ships and aircraft missing in the Triangle end up. According to this tale, Cyclops is put to work as a freighter and is still working at present.‹The template Talkfact is being considered for merging.› 

Mdhennessey 18:45, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

I did the same thing for this entry:

In Scooby-Doo! Pirates Ahoy!, as the pirate ship travels into the Bermuda Triangle, ghosts of doomed ships and planes appear. At one point, the Cyclops steams alongside the pirate ship. Velma Dinkley mentions that this vessel had been missing for "a very long time."‹The template Talkfact is being considered for merging.› 

Plus shortened the Quantum Leap entry. The writer could have just mentioned both briefly, but got involved with needless wordage that was more akin to Dick and Jane than anything remotely serious. Carajou 13:38, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

Since the books and movies are their own references, since you can literally (not figuratively) read or view the mentioned sources and see them, this information should be restored. I'll give it a week, and unless any real objection is found, I'll do it.

Barbados

"Worley called on the United States Ambassador to Barbados" - no he didn't, Barbados wasn't independent until 1966. So who did he call on? Totnesmartin 19:48, 17 February 2007 (UTC)

It may have to be changed to the "American counsul-general", instead of "ambassador"...but it should reflect the writing of the time. Carajou 00:06, 23 February 2007 (UTC)

I think it should be changed to "consul-general" if that was his title. It would be better not to repeat the mistakes of the past. Perhaps add "Described as an ambassador in some sources." Totnesmartin 14:58, 23 February 2007 (UTC)

Use of She as Pronoun

Is the use of "she" correct within the context of an encyclopedia?

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Reference to William Bligh

The end of the second paragraph in the "Accusations" section states "the crews of these ships reported that Worley suffered from a personality allegedly akin to that of HMS Bounty's captain William Bligh; the crew was often brutalized by Worley for trivial things". However, the wiki article on William Bligh states that "The Bounty's log shows that Bligh resorted to punishments relatively sparingly. He scolded when other captains would have whipped and whipped when other captains would have hanged." So which is it? Was he a gentle leader with his crew's best interest at heart or an irrational tyrant? It seems very unencyclopedic for two articles to so blatantly contradict each other. Personally I'm leaning towards the William Bligh article as being closer to the truth, but I'm not an expert, which is why I'm posting here so that hopefully someone more knowledgeable than myself can fix it. Bookbaby2004 (talk) 08:15, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

• Just found this nine years later. You are so right; Bligh was actually a mild man. Have adjusted article. J S Ayer (talk) 00:22, 11 August 2018 (UTC)

CINCPAC vs. CINCLANT ?

This sentence... "She then sailed to Brazilian waters to fuel British ships in the south Atlantic, receiving the thanks of the State Department and CINCPAC.[2][3]" ...struck me as possibly in error. If they were operating in southern Atlantic waters then why did the Pacific command issue the thanks? I checked both those refs to try and verify but neither mentioned anything of the sort. Hmmmm...Sector001 (talk) 22:34, 4 March 2012 (UTC)

Bermuda Triangle

We should in some way be able to note that, although the loss is traditionally associated with the Bermuda Triangle, that there is no record, contemporary or through wreckage, as to how early or late in the journey this boat met its fate, and that any such association is speculative. Kevin McE (talk) 20:03, 13 March 2012 (UTC)

Yes, the vessel's route went through the so-called Bermuda Triangle but since we don't know what happened, there is no evidence it was lost anywhere near there. I'll remove the reference in the intro.Gymnophoria (talk) 12:45, 17 December 2020 (UTC)

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Requested move 26 May 2023

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The result of the move request was: moved. (closed by non-admin page mover) CLYDE ^{TALK TO ME}/_{STUFF DONE} (please mention me on reply) 03:50, 3 June 2023 (UTC)

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• USS Cyclops (AC-4) → USS Cyclops
• USS Cyclops → ?

– This vessel seems to be the overwhelming WP:PRIMARYTOPIC here; the other Cyclops was known by that name for only roughly 2 months while it was not particularly active, while this Cyclops has become rather well known due to the Bermuda Triangle crap and general other conspiracy theories. Every method of judging a primary topic that I can think of results in this vessel being the clear primary topic. Hog Farm _Talk 21:54, 26 May 2023 (UTC)

Note: pages with content, such as USS Cyclops, are ineligible to be new titles in move requests unless they, too, are dispositioned. "USS Cyclops → ?" was added to this request to meet that requirement. P.I. Ellsworth , ed. ^{put'er there} 04:39, 27 May 2023 (UTC)

@Paine Ellsworth: - I thought it was fairly obvious that per WP:ONEOTHER that the dab page would not need to exist. Hog Farm _Talk 15:04, 2 June 2023 (UTC)

Since USS Cyclops is a set index article rather than a dab page, it follows the rules of list articles, so the suggestion below to rename it to List of ships named USS Cyclops or similar might be the way to go in this case? P.I. Ellsworth , ed. ^{put'er there} 16:50, 2 June 2023 (UTC)

If it were kept, then yes, it should probably go to that name, although I'd argue that it's not needed in any form unless someone can come up with something else to add to it. Hog Farm _Talk 18:11, 2 June 2023 (UTC)

Support move. HMS Victory is in a similar vein. Pickersgill-Cunliffe (talk) 22:01, 26 May 2023 (UTC)

Support — This renaming is consistent with the way other articles are named. Iscargra (talk) 02:14, 27 May 2023 (UTC)

Support - the other vessel can be dealt with via a {{otherships}} hatnote. Mjroots (talk) 04:54, 27 May 2023 (UTC)

Support - if you want to keep the set index, it can be dealt with like USS Enterprise - List of ships named USS Cyclops. Llammakey (talk) 11:16, 27 May 2023 (UTC)

Question - Do you know which articles readers initially landing on USS Cyclops next go to, proportionately?

By the way, with only two USS Cyclops, the hatnote on this one should lead directly to the other: "for|the American Civil War gunboat|USS Kickapoo (1864)" or at least to the redirect USS Cyclops (1864) Davidships (talk) 14:18, 27 May 2023 (UTC)

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Proteus-class

There has been an difference of view on whether this ship was the second or third of the Proteus-class (Dual Freq quite reasonably reverted an unexplained IP change). I have tagged that sentence because this also raises a more basic point: whether there even was such a class. DANFS and other refs used do not mention it (Navsource includes it but that is not sufficiently reliable for this kind of question). Can anyone provide citations? Whether Cyclops was second or third rather caught my eye because she was built and in service almost a year before any of the others were even laid down. But perhaps I have missed some nuance here. - Davidships (talk) 01:58, 23 March 2024 (UTC)

Page 32 of this All Hands article has an interesting breakdown of collier classes. It's a magazine so, I don't know how authoritative it is though. I think it's fair to remove the second or third in class item. this from 1921 lists 7 Jupiter class colliers. I think that makes more sense given the AC numbering. I'm guessing the class names changed over the years as Jupiter became Langley, they wouldn't perhaps have called it Jupiter class after that. here is an interesting 1912 article about Jupiter, which says it is a duplicate of Cyclops. Class names must have come later and I think changed over time. this source groups Jupiter, Cyclops and Neptune together, but does not give a class name. Proteus and Nereus are together, but separate from Jupiter also no class name. I don't know what to do on this, maybe go like DANFS did and not list classes. --Dual Freq (talk) 13:51, 23 March 2024 (UTC)

Janes, 1919 groups Jupiter and Cyclops (Cyclops is mentioned in ship's lost section p. 612). Neptune is listed alone in that book, but Proteus and Nereus are grouped together. No AC numbers, no class names. Sci. American, 1914 discusses that Jupiter, Cyclops and Neptune have the same boilers, but three different was to turn the propeller. --Dual Freq (talk) 19:09, 23 March 2024 (UTC)

The Proteus class thing was added in 2007 in this diff. They just said one of the Proteus class. --Dual Freq (talk) 19:13, 23 March 2024 (UTC)

Theres a citation bug at for a book at ciation 15.

At citation 15, theres a citation issue that reads,

" {{cite book}}: Unknown parameter |agency= ignored (help)"

If someone could fix this, that'd be great. I have no idea how to fix it. Unbreakify (talk) 14:39, 21 April 2024 (UTC)