Talk:Twelfth Doctor

River Song

A recent editor has added River Song as a companion of the 12th Doctor. While I didn't remove it, I did want to bring it up for discussion as I don't think it belongs because A) It appears (at least for now) that it will be a one-off appearance, and one-off's don't count IMO, but I could be wrong and I"ll go with consensus. B) It hasn't happened yet. Until the episode airs I don't think it should be added. I'll go with consensus, but I thought I'd bring it up. Vyselink (talk) 22:03, 5 December 2015 (UTC)

One-offs can be companions, but it has to be backed up by a source. Since the addition is uncited, I removed it. -- [[User:Edokter]] {{talk}} 22:53, 5 December 2015 (UTC)

Agreed. There should be a source stating that she'll be a companion for it to be stated as so. Alex|The|Whovian 22:55, 5 December 2015 (UTC)

Why isn't the fact that Capaldi has been critically acclaimed mentioned?

He has been critically acclaimed by the vast majority of the audience as well as almost all notable critics for review sites. Should this not be mentioned? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.19.226.113 (talk) 05:45, 6 December 2015 (UTC)

"First uncredited"

@Mezigue and 46.37.55.80: As much as I enjoy a good old edit war, butting in here to suggest "uncredited first appearance", or simply "first and uncredited" without the brackets. – The Millionth One (talk) (contribs) 14:45, 22 January 2016 (UTC)

Recent edits

@DoctorWikipedia: This post is in regards to your recent edits to this article, in particular, this one. Please review this edit - for one, you are reinstating invalid edits that were performed by Germansws with this edit. These edits violate WP:CRYSTAL by adding future companions, and they remove the content about Capaldi's departure from the series. In regards to the image in the infobox, view the images used in the articles for the other Doctors. Notice how Eleventh Doctor uses an image from his first run. As does Tenth Doctor. And so on. The image that is used should reflect how the Doctor appeared in the majority of his run - this new image fails to do that. Alex|The|Whovian^? 03:16, 31 January 2017 (UTC)

A few episodes doesn't make it a defining characteristic

There have been lots of characters that have been blind for one or a few episodes, that doesn't make it a defining characteristic. Similarly there have been lots of characters that have been in a coma for one or a few episodes, that doesn't mean that they belong in a fictional coma patients category. There have been lots of characters that have cooked in one or a few episodes, that doesn't make them belong in fictional chefs category. Unless the Doctor's blindness pans out into a character arc where reliable sources can't help but mention it in terms of the character rather than the plots of the episodes, he's not a fictional blind character. DonQuixote (talk) 12:19, 28 May 2017 (UTC)

To reiterate, categories should not be indiscriminate collection of information. Unless secondary sources make the Doctor's blindness intrinsic to the character, he shouldn't be in the category. See Talk:List of films considered the worst to see why referring to secondary sources is important. Also see TVTropes/TemporaryBlindness, particularly Live Action TV. It's rather common for characters in TV series to be blinded and then returned to the status quo. DonQuixote (talk) 14:31, 29 May 2017 (UTC)

@Intyre: That source discusses the plot of the episodes and should go in the Series 10 article or the individual episode articles. It can even be summarised in this article under the summaries of the episodes. But it's not a character trait until a reliable source mentions it in terms of the character. DonQuixote (talk) 15:00, 29 May 2017 (UTC)

Thanks for the clarification. I'll see what I can find. Will these few mentions do? Intyre (talk) 15:56, 29 May 2017 (UTC)

I'm just going to be blunt and say that it's probably still too soon for the type of analysis that's needed (keep in mind that there's no rush). And that article is still mentioning the plot of the episodes and not the character. The clearest, most obvious thing would be something like "The Doctor is a time traveling alien, a Time Lord. He was once blinded, which (character description/analysis)." That is, if a secondary source mentions his blindness in the character summary or lede (as opposed to an episode summary), then it's probably a defining character trait. Also, keep in mind WP:UNDUE, when finding articles of this nature. DonQuixote (talk) 16:13, 29 May 2017 (UTC)