Talk:Trump raised fist photographs

Feedback from New Page Review process

I left the following feedback for the creator/future reviewers while reviewing this article: I have blanked-and-redirected this article to its parent article at Attempted assassination of Donald Trump with the following edit summary WP:REDUNDANTFORK - content is the same as in Attempted assassination of Donald Trump; restore when there is something more to add or add it to the parent article then split it off and leave a summary per WP:SUMMARYSTYLE; duplicating content like this is not acceptable

—Alalch E. 12:38, 14 July 2024 (UTC)

I didn't realize this article existed and created it again in slightly different form with additional sources. So I did a WP:ROUNDROBIN swap of this page and the page I created (which is now at Donald Trump raised fist photograph‎, the former title of this page); I kept the plural title because it's about multiple photographs, not one. Levivich (talk) 22:15, 14 July 2024 (UTC)

Thanks, it's good now, and I've marked it as reviwed. —Alalch E. 22:26, 14 July 2024 (UTC)

The picture too, really?

This is yet another pointless fork. Whatever I said about the article for Thomas Matthew Crooks applies even more for this. LilianaUwU ^{(talk / contributions)} 00:12, 15 July 2024 (UTC)

What about it is pointless? This image has become a defining symbol of a prominent American Presidential nominee and is being covered extremely extensively--both critically by people against Trump (who call it "an opportunity to tout conspiracy theories and stoke political tensions" etc) and his supporters who use it to show their candidate's strength despite being centimeters from death. There is no doubt that the article meets WP:SIGCOV NorthropChicken (talk) 01:55, 15 July 2024 (UTC)

I agree with this. It's a symbol. Csg95 (talk) 02:07, 15 July 2024 (UTC)

Seconded. Like it or not, its symbolism has moved beyond Saturday’s events. PopTartsBowl (talk) 06:39, 15 July 2024 (UTC)

This has clearly and undeniably become something far greater than its immediate context. Yet you continue to deny it despite clear evidence. @LilianaUwU, WP:STICK. BarntToust (talk) 02:26, 15 July 2024 (UTC)

I'm not denying it. I've come to realize that maybe it is a historic picture, but I can't really snow close/withdraw the AfD since some people have sided with my original point. LilianaUwU ^{(talk / contributions)} 02:28, 15 July 2024 (UTC)

@BarntToust You've made 9 edits to the AfD and a whopping 32 to the FfD, which looks like bludgeoning. "Drop the stick" applies both ways, and as the essay you linked notes, applies regardless of whether you're "winning" or "losing". I think your opinions on deletion of both items are clearly expressed and recommend focusing on the content instead. Dylnuge ^{(Talk • Edits)} 03:04, 15 July 2024 (UTC)

I suppose I'm being proactive, which is within my right, as it is Liliana's to continue her concerns until this all comes to a close. It is unwise to suggest that I focus on content; I have been adding source after source on this subject, content and more. "bludgeoning" is as non-definitive to use here as stick is. Perhaps your interest in my history with this discussion is also proactive? I'll hold your behaviour to the same standards I view mine in. I'm going to do more miscellaneous work perhaps unrelated to this subject. We are both citing essays, so I can't say we've actually done anything here, @Dylnuge. Do have a nice one, though! BarntToust (talk) 03:18, 15 July 2024 (UTC)

"Perhaps your interest in my history with this discussion is also proactive?" is a weird aspersion to cast, seeing as my only contribution at either discussion was to note that the file itself wasn't eligible for speedy deletion. I think you misunderstand me; I'm just trying to let you know how this appears to onlookers. Consider it a friendly heads-up, not anything more severe than that. Dylnuge ^{(Talk • Edits)} 03:23, 15 July 2024 (UTC)

I do, I see where you're coming from on here, and I appreciate it. I really do. I thank you for looking out for how things can be perceived. Have a nice one, @Dylnuge! Take care. BarntToust (talk) 04:10, 15 July 2024 (UTC)

Title could use some work?

I'm not sure what would be a good alternative but "Trump raised fist photographs" feels too vague, like it could apply to him raising his fist in any other photograph. CaptainJZH (talk) 03:24, 15 July 2024 (UTC)

I second this. Until/unless the photo(s) receive a proper name, a more descriptive title might be necessary. Perhaps something along the lines of “Post-Trump Assassination Attempt Photos”? PopTartsBowl (talk) 06:34, 15 July 2024 (UTC)

Requested move 15 July 2024

Trump raised fist photographs → Donald Trump fist pump photographs – While his fist is raised in the images, he was actually carrying out a fist pump while being escorted off stage. Also "Trump raised fist" doesn't include the first name of the main subject of the photograph, and just doesn't sound right. Sir MemeGod ._. (talk - contribs - created articles) 05:54, 15 July 2024 (UTC)

Support - albeit for different reasons (ambiguous language). "Trump raised fist photographs"? Which fist photographs did he raise? For this reason I don't mind changing it to any other title as long as there's no ambiguity. Yekshemesh (talk) 06:26, 15 July 2024 (UTC)

Oppose The video shows that we was pumping his fist; this photograph shows a man holding his fist up in defiance. It doesn't matter what was actually happening at the time, iconic photographs like this acquire a life of their own. Hallucegenia (talk) 07:02, 15 July 2024 (UTC)

Comment Why hasn't anyone boldly edited the lead sentence before the requested move? 174.92.25.207 (talk) 07:03, 15 July 2024 (UTC)

Oppose, I would suggest something along the lines of Donald Trump raised fist photographs instead. —Mjks28 (talk) 07:06, 15 July 2024 (UTC)

Support Donald Trump raised fist photographs. - Sebbog13 (talk) 07:47, 15 July 2024 (UTC)

Support alt Donald Trump raised fist photographs per WP:CONSISTENT title with Donald_Trump_2000_presidential_campaign, Donald_Trump_2016_presidential_campaign, Donald_Trump_2020_presidential_campaign, Donald_Trump_in_popular_culture, Donald_Trump's_farewell_address and Donald_Trump_Supreme_Court_candidates. Per Hallucegenia, I doubt "fist pump." 174.92.25.207 (talk) 07:59, 15 July 2024 (UTC)

Support this since it reads more natural to me than both the current title and the originally proposed title. S5A-0043^Talk 09:18, 15 July 2024 (UTC)

Oppose DeadlyRampage26 (talk) 07:39, 15 July 2024 (UTC)

Support (BLP violation removed) 2A00:23C8:308D:9E00:2074:7D6B:3009:A7A4 (talk) 09:26, 15 July 2024 (UTC)

Oppose The photo shows a guy with his fist in the air. No more, no less. ——Serial Number 54129 09:36, 15 July 2024 (UTC)