Talk:Tropical Storm Rolf

Improvements Needed

Users are welcome to edit this page positively. I will greatly appreciate any addition of information, as info on this storm is hard to find. Please help out, and improve this article. If you can expand this article in any way, that would be great. Thanks. LightandDark2000 (talk) 18:50, 13 August 2013 (UTC)

Expansion with info from other foreign language Wikipedias

This article can be expanded with more information from the German and Italian Wikipedias. The Italian article in particular has plenty of information that can be used to update the Impacts section for Italy. I listed the links to the foreign language articles below. LightandDark2000 🌀 (talk) 08:45, 28 May 2019 (UTC)

• Genuatief Rolf – German Wikipedia
• Alluvione di Genova del 4 novembre 2011 – Italian Wikipedia

GA Review

This review is transcluded from Talk:Tropical Storm Rolf/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: Destroyeraa (talk · contribs) 20:22, 22 January 2021 (UTC)

I will do this review.

Lead

• Remove and Invest 99L. We don't put invest designations in the lead for tropical storms.
  •  Done. LightandDark2000 🌀 (talk) 00:10, 23 January 2021 (UTC)
• Link Mediterranean tropical-like cyclone to Mediterranean tropical storm. Remove the link to it later in the lead.
  •  Done. LightandDark2000 🌀 (talk) 00:10, 23 January 2021 (UTC)
    • I actually missed this one while working on my other revisions for the lead. Thanks for catching this one for me. LightandDark2000 🌀 (talk) 06:39, 27 January 2021 (UTC)
• Link tropical cyclone to fully tropical storm.
  •  Done. LightandDark2000 🌀 (talk) 00:10, 23 January 2021 (UTC)
• Link Maximum sustained winds to 1-minute sustained winds.
  •  Done. LightandDark2000 🌀 (talk) 00:10, 23 January 2021 (UTC)
• The lead should be expanded. There needs to be a summary of the impacts in the lead, such as the extent of flooding.
  •  Done. I expanded the lead into two paragraphs, with a new paragraph to cover some of the impacts in general. I hope I did a good enough job there. ^_^ LightandDark2000 🌀 (talk) 00:10, 23 January 2021 (UTC)

Met history

• An ex cyclone is a frontal system. Change frontal system to "frontal boundries."
  •  Done. LightandDark2000 🌀 (talk) 00:10, 23 January 2021 (UTC)
• near the France–Spain border → "near the borner with Spain." Sounds more natural that way.
  •  Done. BTW, I think you meant to say "border", not "borner". :P LightandDark2000 🌀 (talk)
• Remove Quinn produced heavy rainfall in northern Italy, leading to floods in the region. We're talking about Rolf's MH here, not Quinn's impact. This shouldn't belong in the article as Quinn is not Rolf (could warrant an article of its own if necessary).
  •  Done. Moved the relevant bits relating to the flooding to the Impacts section. LightandDark2000 🌀 (talk) 00:10, 23 January 2021 (UTC)
• De-link frontal structure. WP:OVERLINK.
  •  Done. LightandDark2000 🌀 (talk) 00:10, 23 January 2021 (UTC)
    • I accidentally missed this one while making my other revisions. Finally got it, now. LightandDark2000 🌀 (talk) 06:39, 27 January 2021 (UTC)
• and as the storm slowly moved eastward, it triggered flooding in the Balearic Islands.[5] More impact info that should go into the impacts section.
  •  Done. LightandDark2000 🌀 (talk) 00:10, 23 January 2021 (UTC)
• "organized" - British English?
  •  Done. Also fixed the same issue in another part of the article. LightandDark2000 🌀 (talk) 00:10, 23 January 2021 (UTC)
• convection began to increase in the storm → "and convection, or thunderstorms, associated with the storm expanded." Link atmospheric convection to convection. Things Noah likes to pick on :)
  •  Done. I like to pick out this kind of stuff too, but I guess I grew a little too complacent here. LightandDark2000 🌀 (talk) 00:10, 23 January 2021 (UTC)
• stationed above the Massif Central in southern France Am I reading this correctly? Rolf was stationed over land this whole time?
  • Um, actually, Rolf was positioned over the Massif Central area at the time; it wasn't stalled there the whole time. I meant to point out the location. Anyway, I changed the wording to make it more clear. LightandDark2000 🌀 (talk) 00:10, 23 January 2021 (UTC)
• bringing additional flooding to the region.[9][5][10] Rm
  •  Done. LightandDark2000 🌀 (talk) 00:10, 23 January 2021 (UTC)
• During that evening, Rolf spawned a tornado over Alassio, in northern Italy, causing some structural damage.[11] Interesting stuff that belongs in the impacts.
  •  Done. Removed that sentence from the MH section. LightandDark2000 🌀 (talk) 00:10, 23 January 2021 (UTC)
• On 7 November, Rolf turned westward and slowly transitioned from an extratropical system into a subtropical depression over the abnormally-warm waters of the Mediterranean Sea,[5][12] which were at 17°C (63°F),[13] with the system acquiring a warm quasi-symmetric core, and with organised convective rainbands wrapping around the center of the storm.[9] Sentence is too long. You should know how to fix it.
  •  Done. Yes, you are right. I do know how to fix it. ^_^ I broke up the sentence into two shorter ones. LightandDark2000 🌀 (talk) 00:10, 23 January 2021 (UTC)
• (the NRL) → (NRL)
  •  Done. LightandDark2000 🌀 (talk) 00:10, 23 January 2021 (UTC)
• Remove , shortly after completing its tropical transition.
  • I revised this bit. See my comment below. LightandDark2000 🌀 (talk) 00:10, 23 January 2021 (UTC)
• NOAA noted that deep convention had persisted around the core of Rolf long enough to officially declare the system a tropical storm. I thought it was already a TS. NOAA already said it was a TD. Conflicting information...
  • Uh, Rolf went from a extratropical low to an SD, then a TD, and then a TS. I've revised the two sentences concerning these transitions to resolve this issue. The sentence in question now reads: "Late on 7 November, soon after Rolf had completed its tropical transition, the system increased further in organization and strengthened significantly in the process, with the NOAA noting that deep convention had persisted around the core of Rolf long enough to officially declare the system a tropical storm." LightandDark2000 🌀 (talk) 00:10, 23 January 2021 (UTC)
• Consequently, both the Satellite Services Division and NESDIS of the NOAA classified the system as Tropical Storm 01M. The Satellite Services Division is Nasa or Noaa? If it's NOAA, then just put NOAA.
  • Upon more research, it turns out that the Satellite Services Division is a part of NESDIS, which in turn is a part of the NOAA. I've revised the sentence to make that more clear. LightandDark2000 🌀 (talk) 00:10, 23 January 2021 (UTC)
• Around that time, Rolf brought heavy rainfall to parts of the nearby countries in Western Europe, including northern Italy and northeastern Spain. Rm.
  •  Done. LightandDark2000 🌀 (talk) 00:10, 23 January 2021 (UTC)
• On the same day, Rolf reached its peak intensity, attaining a minimum central pressure of 991 mb (29.3 inHg) and maximum 1-minute sustained winds of 82 km/h (51 mph; 44 kn).[14][9][15] I thought 85 km/h, 50 mph. Also, remove knots from the entire MH.
  •  Done. Yeah, the annoying direct conversion Vs. rounded conversion bits. I made the suggested changes. LightandDark2000 🌀 (talk) 00:10, 23 January 2021 (UTC)
• Rolf began to weaken on 9 November, as it encountered more hostile conditions, with the storm's convection decreasing and its upper- and mid-level circulation centers becoming misaligned, as the system moved closer to the French coastline. → Rolf began to weaken on 9 November as it approached the French coastline due to hostile conditions, with the storm's convection decreasing and its upper- and mid-level circulation centers becoming misaligned.
  •  Done. LightandDark2000 🌀 (talk) 00:10, 23 January 2021 (UTC)
• Subsequently, the NOAA issued their final bulletin on the storm, as Rolf was expected to dissipate soon,[14] Do we need this sentence?
  • Technically, the sentence isn't essential, but from a meteorological standpoint, it is significant in that the NOAA chose to terminate their bulletins at that point. I revised the sentence and merged it into the previous one to make it flow better, in conjunction with a revision to the following sentence (which you commented on below). LightandDark2000 🌀 (talk) 00:10, 23 January 2021 (UTC)
• with the storm weakening to 1,015 mbar (30.0 inHg) around the time of its landfall.[5][17] Later that day, Rolf made landfall on the island of Île du Levant and soon afterward, made another landfall near Hyères, in Southeastern France,[7] weakening rapidly upon making its second landfall.[9] I suggest you rewrite these sentences to make it clearer. Incorporate the mbar with the landfall sentence.
  •  Done. I split up the last sentence and incorporated the central pressure into one of the new sentences. LightandDark2000 🌀 (talk) 00:10, 23 January 2021 (UTC)

That's all for the MH. Some work for you to do. ~ Destroyeraa🌀🇺🇸 20:22, 22 January 2021 (UTC)

Excellent. Let's move onto the preps and impact.

Preps and impact

• From 6–8 November, the storm dropped a total of 600 mm (23.62 in) of rain in about 72 hours over southwestern Europe. This should be more specific. In what country?
  • The original source does not specify which country the rainfall total occurred in. However, I suspect that this is a maximum rainfall value for France, given a similar figure later in the article, so I have specified it as such. I also added the second source that was used later in the article. However, there is a contradiction between the two sources. The EUMETSAT report claims that the 600 mm rainfall total occurred over a 72-hour period from 6–8 November, while the highest reported maximum total from the French source is 605 mm over a 9-day period, from 1–9 November. Given this discrepancy, and given the fact that I was unable to find another local report corroborating the rainfall claim in the EUMETSAT report, I decided to go with the local report from the French sources for this value. LightandDark2000 🌀 (talk) 00:36, 27 January 2021 (UTC)
• The storm caused at least US$1.25 billion (€925 million) in damages, in France and Italy. Remove ",in France and Italy." Spanish damage? Swiss damage?
  •  Done. Unfortunately, I couldn't find a damage estimate for Spain. And the damage in Switzerland was essentially minimal. LightandDark2000 🌀 (talk) 21:54, 25 January 2021 (UTC)
• On 16 December 2011, the NOAA declared that they would no longer be monitoring storms in the Mediterranean Sea, for reasons that the agency did not publicly disclose.[19] However, in 2015, the NOAA resumed services in the Mediterranean region;[20] by 2016, the NOAA was issuing advisories on a new tropical system, Tropical Storm 90M.[21] This whole thing is interesting but doesn't belong in this article. It should be located in the Medicane article.
  •  Done. I moved the information out of this article, into the Medicane article. LightandDark2000 🌀 (talk) 21:54, 25 January 2021 (UTC)
• Prior to Rolf, northern Italy had already experienced a period of heavy rainfall during the first few days of November, due to a previous extratropical storm, Quinn,[22] which was later worsened by the additional rainfall brought by Rolf.[22] → "In northern Italy, saturated grounds due to heavy rainfall from Storm Quinn worsened flooding caused by Rolf, which hit the region a few days later." How does this sound? The previous sentence was a bit too long.
  • Changed the sentence to "In northern Italy, saturated grounds due to heavy rainfall from Storm Quinn in early November worsened the flooding later caused by Rolf, which began inundating the region on 4 November." LightandDark2000 🌀 (talk) 21:54, 25 January 2021 (UTC)
• The cities of Genoa and Recco in Liguria, in northern Italy suffered some of the worst impacts from the storm in the country, with Rolf's extratropical precursor initiating a period of prolonged rainfall, which began on 4 November. This sounds a bit redundant, since you already talk about Quinn and the worst-hit cities. How about just include Recco in the bunch and delete this sentence.
  •  Done. I deleted the sentence and merged some of the content into the previous one. LightandDark2000 🌀 (talk) 21:54, 25 January 2021 (UTC)
• What's leftward-flowing?
  • I assume that it means "westward-flowing", and I have modified the sentence to reflect it as such. LightandDark2000 🌀 (talk) 21:54, 25 January 2021 (UTC)
• Link severe thunderstorm to severe thunderstorms.
  •  Done. "Thunderstorms" was already linked in the sentence, but I modified the link to make "severe thunderstorms" link to the severe thunderstorms section within the thunderstorm article. LightandDark2000 🌀 (talk) 21:54, 25 January 2021 (UTC)
• Gipuzkoa—a province in Basque Country– Uneven dashes.
  •  Done. I fixed the formatting issue. LightandDark2000 🌀 (talk) 21:54, 25 January 2021 (UTC)
• Replace Gipuzkoa with "The autonomous community" in its second mention.
  •  Done. Technically, Basque Country is the autonomous community, and Gipuzkoa is only a part of it. I modified one of the previous sentences to improve the clarity as well.
• 300 litres (79 US gal) of rainfall in parts of the autonomous community,[36][37] We don't use gallons. That's for volume. We use ml and inches.
  • Unfortunately, the Spanish Government source gave the value in Liters, not mm or cm, so it can't be converted directly into inches. However, I converted the value into cubic inches instead. LightandDark2000 🌀 (talk) 21:54, 25 January 2021 (UTC)
    • Upon closer examination, the Spanish Government report was actually using the unit L/m². 1 L/m² = 1 mm, meaning that the value can actually be converted into inches after all. I've made the change accordingly. LightandDark2000 🌀 (talk) 08:04, 31 January 2021 (UTC)

Ok, that's all. ~ Destroyeraa🌀🇺🇸 20:39, 25 January 2021 (UTC)

Source review

Only one thing -

The first source is a dead link. However, it can be removed as it is backed up by NOAA sources. ~ Destroyeraa🌀🇺🇸 17:48, 4 February 2021 (UTC)

 Fixed I added in the archived link. LightandDark2000 🌀 (talk) 17:56, 4 February 2021 (UTC)

Final

GA review (see here for what the criteria are, and here for what they are not)

1. It is reasonably well written.

   a (prose, spelling, and grammar): b (MoS for lead, layout, word choice, fiction, and lists):

2. It is factually accurate and verifiable.

   a (reference section): b (citations to reliable sources): c (OR): d (copyvio and plagiarism):

3. It is broad in its coverage.

   a (major aspects): b (focused):

4. It follows the neutral point of view policy.

   Fair representation without bias:

5. It is stable.

   No edit wars, etc.:

6. It is illustrated by images and other media, where possible and appropriate.

   a (images are tagged and non-free content have fair use rationales): b (appropriate use with suitable captions):

7. Overall:

   Pass/Fail:

Congratulations on your first GA! ~ Destroyeraa🌀🇺🇸 18:57, 4 February 2021 (UTC)

Sweet!! Thanks! ^_^ LightandDark2000 🌀 (talk) 19:01, 4 February 2021 (UTC)