Talk:Thomas Charles Byde Rooke

Move?

Instead of having a whole article on a house that is no longer there, and none about the person who built it, might it make sense to move this to Thomas Charles Byde Rooke and evolve it into a bio on him? (leave the redirect behind) The prose needs to be paraphrased from the book anyway. W Nowicki (talk) 00:32, 8 January 2010 (UTC)

Agree. It lacks really any historical importances, and I created it originally as a part of the Grace Kamaikui article but someone moved it to it seperate article. Also "Palace" and Royal Mansion seems inaccurate term to refer to Rooke House. The only real royal palace is Iolani Palace, all others are mansions and residences own by Hawaiian nobility.--KAVEBEAR (talk) 03:36, 8 January 2010 (UTC)

I don't think the Rooke House part should be in this article. The words was originally written so it could fit in his wife's article. And Rooke was not famous because of a house that no longer stands; it's his influence on his hanai daughter, Emma, and the fact that his upbringing of her and his profession that basically indirectly laid the foundation for the Queen's Hospital, a greater legacy.--KAVEBEAR (talk) 04:02, 9 January 2010 (UTC)

He did build the house and used it for his practice, but yes, the hospital is more notable (probably not the London one, although it might be a namesake?) The Queen's Medical Center I think is the one. The House description could indeed use further condensing here. Probably also notable might be his role in the 1853 epidemics (and others?) but that is harder to find.

Also should the title be so lengthy. Do you think it can be moved to Dr. Rooke (most sources call him so) or Thomas Rooke (to be simple)?--KAVEBEAR (talk) 04:02, 9 January 2010 (UTC)

The sources I have seen are not consistent; I have often seen "T.C.B. Rooke" as well as "Thomas C.B. Rooke" for example. The style guide generally avoids the honorific titles in article names, e.g. "Kamehameha I" vs. "King Kamehameha I". Text should also avoid the "Dr" except when needed to disambiguate. I was going to call it "Thomas Rooke" but doing a web search I found thousands of people with that name, leading ones a Basball player and a cardiologist "Dr. Thomas Rooke". At least no diacritics in this name! My feeling was that at the rate new articles are being created, pretty soon there would be one for one of these other Thomas Rookes and we would need to move yet again. There probably is some comedian self-published on YouTube with the name. :-) This way we should be safe for a while. W Nowicki (talk) 19:06, 9 January 2010 (UTC)

Rooke Valley

Are you sure that this "He owned some land in a part of Nuʻuanu valley called Waolani that came to ne known as "Rooke's Valley". Queen Emma built a summer home on it called Hānaiakamālama which is now a museum" is correct. Queen Emma didn't build Hānaiakamālama. It was build on the property of John Lewis who bought it from King Kamehameha III, and later auction to Queen Emma's uncle Keoni Ana who willed it to her after his death.--KAVEBEAR (talk) 00:53, 15 February 2011 (UTC)