Talk:The Tin Drum (film)

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11 or 12?

According to the article, Bennent was 11 years old when the controversial scene was shot. However, I just watched a (German) talk show in which some of the movie staff was invited, and when they were talking about this scene, they said he was 12 at that time. They might have been wrong (it has been quite some time since the movie was made, after all), but maybe someone might want to investigate which information is true. 83.243.115.30 (talk) 23:51, 3 May 2010 (UTC)

What does it means where it says he "appears" to have oral sex and intercourse with her? Does the scene just imply it somehow visually, not actually show it? 66.189.38.183 (talk) 15:23, 4 March 2012 (UTC)

In the case of the 'intercourse', it's a small figure moving on top of her. Who is meant to be - Oskar - is clear, but it is impossible to tell if it is Bennent, not least because all everything except one of the figure's feet is underneath a sheet. I'd bet that a small body double (one of the circus cast?) was used.

The oral sex scene is possibly him: we see his eyes open wide - he's meant to be seeing her pubic hair - then he runs towards her. Next shot is the back of what is probably his head in front of her, at the 'right' level. In another shot, there's glimpse of what was probably something she was wearing. So, probably his head was close to her covered crotch. The oral sex is implied by shots of her head moving in pleasure and he's not in those shots = very probably not on the set.

The adult sex scenes are more explicit, and clearly involve the revelant actors, but still without any genital shots. Lovingboth (talk) 16:44, 17 April 2012 (UTC)

Editors' opinions about plot

-- Plot -- WHAT THE F??? Germans make no sense at all. I am open to an explanation but nothing in this follows from anything else. I saw the movie years ago. The whole of this movie is just bizarre surreal event after bizarre surreal event. Why anyone would nominate it for, much less give it, any "positive" awards is beyond me. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.227.166.70 (talk) 17:51, 1 August 2013 (UTC) I had already read the novel several times over before seeing the film, and I found the film poorly structured. I think that whatever credit was given to this film was misdirected, and that the book was not adequately appreciated until much later, when Grass FINALLY received the Nobel Prize. As a matter of fact, when I saw the film during it's short theatrical run, there were only three people present, R.W. Fassbinder, myself, and a third man who we both threatened with physical violence when he insisted on babbling to himself throughout the film. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 131.215.115.31 (talk) 21:50, 11 September 2014 (UTC)

Man who shows up after Alfred's death

Who is the man who shows up after Alfred is killed, looks around the shop and finds Alfred's body in the cellar, leading to his burial? Is it worth mentioning? Ghostofnemo (talk) 11:50, 3 January 2014 (UTC)

He was the new owner of the shop, as the proberty of Germans were confiscated and given to Poles. --Jonny84 (talk) 00:59, 14 April 2015 (UTC)

Final

The article says: "As the train leaves, the film ends as it begins; with Anna Bronski sitting in her potato field, watching the train go by." It's a bit confusing. She was called Anna Koljaiczek at this time. Anna was at the train station while the train was leaving, so Anna couldn't be on this field at the same time, so this was another Kashubian woman or if this was Anna it was not the same train. --Jonny84 (talk) 01:21, 14 April 2015 (UTC)

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No tthe whole book

I'm inclined to make a new section concerning plot deviations from the book. On a personal note, I think the poor reviews are from critics who actually read the thing, and praise comes from people who haven't, because if you read the book, the movie wasn't so great. I was astonished when I reached "the end" of the film when almost a quarter of the book was left to be told. I'm surprised this hasn't been mentioned, and therefore possibly the need for the film vs book section. StarHOG (Talk) 20:06, 28 January 2019 (UTC)

I was just about to say the same thing! I see why it was done, since Oskar's postwar existence is less than enthralling, but what I think the movie omits is that Oskar is discovered to be narrating the story from a mental hospital where he is a long-term patient. As such, he's an unreliable narrator, like Chief Bromden in One Flew Over The Cuckoo's Nest, with the difference that Grass, unlike Kesey, conceals his unreliability for much of the novel. That, I feel, is significant in differentiating the versions, and should be written up. Unfortunately, it's many years since I saw the movie or read the book, and I'm reluctant to put myself through either again. Any offers? Chrismorey (talk) 15:00, 14 March 2023 (UTC)

Death of Oskar's mother?

The plot summary currently states about the death of Oskar's mother: "She dies, though the cause is never revealed." I don't believe this is correct; I think the film (and the novel) indicates that after seeing the horse head filled with eels, and in despair over her second pregnancy, she deliberately continues to eat too much fish until she dies, essentially committing suicide. I think the summary should be edited to reflect this, unless there is disagreement? — Hunter Kahn 15:51, 12 August 2020 (UTC)

I agree that in the film there is a strong enough hint that she indeed committed suicide by continuing to eat the fish until she eventually dropped dead. But how do you suggest the article should state that? Thanks, warshy ^(¥¥) 18:43, 12 August 2020 (UTC)