Talk:Talian dialect

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The "talian" is a variety of italian language with a strongly influence by venetian. This is the correct version. In Italy the venetian nationalists have differente opinion, but I don't understand why in other part of article we say "Italian immigrants first began settling in this region in the late 1870s. These Italians were from many different regions of Italy, but many spoke Veneto" but at first we say that all of these spoken venetian! And the other Italians? --Ilario 11:16, 5 April 2006 (UTC)

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As far that I know there is a explanation for this. Venetian immigration to Brazil was so strong that other Italians were pushed to adapt to the Venetian dialect while living in small villages alongside with the Venetian majority.

This happened mostly in the south states of Brazil (Parana, Santa Catarina and Rio Grande do Sul). However, in São Paulo state (southeast region) the venetian presence was in less extent and the immigrants from southern Italy did dominate the scene (many, many from Naples, San Genaro is a big thing there), so there was no Venetian influence. In fact, I am surprised that the Wikipedia article talks about venetian ("talian") speakers in São Paulo. --189.114.26.102 (talk) 03:38, 14 April 2010 (UTC)

"A" vs "the"

Colleagues, Below please find an exchange between editor JorvisS and myself of the us of the pronoun before "dialct". I don't seem to be getting through to this editor who keeps changing the sentence. Your opinions are welcome.

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"A language"/ "a dialect" is the way we speak about languages. "English is a West Germanic language that was first spoken in early medieval England and is now a global lingua franca", NOT "English is the West Germanic language that was first spoken in early medieval England and is now a global lingua franca". There are no other "West Germanic languages that were first spoken in early medieval England and are now a global lingua franca".

"Sicilian (lu sicilianu, Italian: lingua siciliana, also known as Siculu or Calabro-Sicilian) is a Romance language. "

Rui ''Gabriel'' Correia (talk) 23:52, 7 May 2014 (UTC)

That sentence appears to try to say things that should, that way, be put into two sentences: 1) "English is a West Germanic language", 2) "It was first spoken [...]". If properly put into a single sentence, it should become "the West Germanic language that [whatever uniquely specifies it). "Sicilian is a Romance language" quite correctly uses "a", although a proper definition, which the first sentence of the lead should give, should uniquely specify which Romance language it is. "It is the way we do it" is a void argument. --JorisvS (talk) 08:52, 8 May 2014 (UTC)

Ok, show me what you are made of - go to English language and change "English is a West Germanic language" to "English is the West Germanic language". Please, do it. Rui ''Gabriel'' Correia (talk) 10:34, 8 May 2014 (UTC)

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Rui ''Gabriel'' Correia (talk) 10:44, 8 May 2014 (UTC)

"A" vs "the" - at English language

In the interest of attracting more participation, I have opened a paralell discussion at English language, a page that enjoys far greater visibility. Rui ''Gabriel'' Correia (talk) 12:29, 8 May 2014 (UTC)

Italians in Espírito Santo

A source claims that 65% of people in Espírito Santo state are of Italian ancestry. However, historian Maria Cristina Dadalto wrote here[1]: "uma profícua produção literária produzida sobre a imigração italiana no estado ajudou a construir e a fortalecer este mito" ("a fruitful literature produced on Italian immigration in the state helped build and strengthen this myth"). In fact, Espírito Santo received very few Italian immigrantes to result a population that would be 65% Italian in ancestry now. So I removed the controversial information from the article. Xuxo (talk) 18:21, 5 April 2015 (UTC)

The point is not simply to remove information that is cited, but which you or someone in the world believes is wrong. You don't just delete 'wrong' but cited information with allegedly 'better' information that is also cited. Wikipedia does not pretend to know or even care what the truth is -- it reflects what reliable sources SAY the truth is, even if those sources are wrong. If different reliable sources say contradictory things, wikipedia will report both (or multiple) 'facts' even though they are inconsistent, and even though some of those facts must be wrong. If they are cited to reliable sources, they all go in the article, and the article will say, "On the one hand, X , but on the other hand Y." So, instead of deleting what the article says (which is cited), you should ADD what the article YOU are citing is saying. The result would be something like: "Some sources say as many as 65% of the population of Spirito Santo are of Italian decent <exiting cite>, while others say this is exaggerated <your cite>. You citation says: "O Espírito Santo é citado, com certa freqüência, em textos de

gêneros diversos, como um dos estados com maior densidade de imigração italiana do Brasil." "E.S. is cited with some frequency, in texts of various kinds, as one of the states with the greatest density of Italian immigration in Brazil." so, the citation is not sufficient to justify removing cited information that your source says is "cited with some frequency" in other places. Please just add whatever you think is necessary to balance the article out on this question. — Preceding unsigned comment added by David.thompson.esq (talk • contribs) 23:44, 5 April 2015 (UTC)

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