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For when I have time to help expand this:

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  • Fish and karate, please notice that almost all of these links can not be used to expand the article:
    • First, they are not really published in newspapers, only on their sites, so are practically blogs;
    • Second, their content is like To others, including me, it’s kind of revolting, and the more I think about a big jumble of steaks and dicks, the more I hate it; either the authors retalk the "official" websites, or speculate on it, not being reliable for this;
I have seen all the texts in the first two sections while searching material for the article, and choosed Anna Jones (a blogger appealing to history professor and feminist publicist Lois Banner), Feminista Jones (an not-quite-notable feminist activist) and Miles Klee (a blogger whose text was of the best quality amongst others, and has some analysis on the origin of the holiday). It is may also be possible to use the text from Vegan Feminist Network, although it does not has an author and is rather about a particular side (the incident with one of the "official" sites) of the holiday, so I avoided to use it but added into "External links" section. And I will take a look into the books to see how they may be used, thank you! Wikisaurus (talk) 13:45, 18 November 2017 (UTC)Reply
Online-only sources from reputable sites are fine as sources, particularly when discussing online ephemera such as this. fish&karate 14:38, 18 November 2017 (UTC)Reply
Fish and karate, well, you may try to add something from them to improve the article, but please don't be surprised if it will be deleted - by me or someone else. Wikisaurus (talk) 15:40, 18 November 2017 (UTC)Reply
With that attitude, I'll find another draft article to help someone with. Yeesh. fish&karate 11:41, 21 November 2017 (UTC)Reply

Problems with sources in this article edit

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This is a follow-up to the conversation above, and further detail for the summary discussion on the WP:AfD page for this article. I followed each of the article's source links in References, evaluated them based on my understanding of WP:V, and have itemized my findings below. The sources appear in the order I found them in the article. Note: many of these sites are NSFW.

  • Klee, Miles (14 March 2015). "The short, stupid history of 'Steak and a BJ Day'". The Daily Dot.
    • This publisher has been considered for deletion and the discussion notes issues with its use as a reliable source, Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/The_Daily_Dot
    • Quote from the article: “It’s unclear what percentage of these guys are serious about the occasion, [or] whether anyone has ever actually observed it,...”
  • Shilcutt, Katherine (14 March 2011). "Steak and a BJ Day: The Male Valentine's Day". Houston Press.
    • According to its About page, this source uses only freelance journalists, and its publisher stated "the Houston Press, known for its coverage of the culture of Houston, was like a "court jester" compared to the Houston Chronicle being the "king" of Houston's journalism industry;"
    • Quote from the article: “Although one of America's newest holidays does not yet have its own Wikipedia page, it does have two separate Web sites as well as an entry on Urban Dictionary. And that's good enough for us.”
  • Jones, Feminista (2014). "What's the Deal With "Steak and Blow Job Day"?". SheKnows Media.
    • Sheknows.com is ranked 9th among lifestyle websites. The article is in subsection Love in section Community.
    • Quote: “This was a real thing, at least according to the internet (where everything is real, right? Right.) While the origin remains unclear, and there are debates about whether the date is March 14 or March 20, the idea of S&BJ Day is wildly popular today, with an “official website”, a Facebook page with over 54,000 “likes," a Twitter account, and several spin-off websites.”
  • Jones, Anna (14 March 2013). "It's Steak and BJ Day! Should We Be Offended By That?". LA Weekly.
    • The publication is the online presence of a giveaway weekly.
    • The artcle states: “"Invented" by a Tom Birdsey (whose online presence seems to be limited to this Myspace profile), the idea behind the celebration is simple. Very simple. Conceived (however poorly) as the man's version of Valentine's Day, the holiday is described on one of two supposedly official (and NSFW) websites...”
    • The complete Lois Banner quote: “"This [holiday] sounds like another part of the backlash against the feminist movement... this sort of reaction has happened a number of times in the last 100 years. What we are moving toward in this culture is a very gross version of human interaction. This is part of the hook-up culture. Most of my female students hate it, because they feel it is enforced by men."”
    • The article concludes “So if you and your partner want to celebrate Steak & BJ Day, then seriously... more power to you!”
  • Horton, Randall. "Why I hate Steak and BJ Day".
    • This is a post on a Wordpress blog.
  • Yenisey, Zeynep (27 February 2017). "There's an Actual Holiday Called Steak and Blowjob Day, and it's Almost Here". Maxim.
    • The article is in the Maxim Men section, which appears to be mainly sex- and lingerie-related articles, and is tagged “Funny”
    • Quote: “That said, it takes a lot of creativity to come up with a fake holiday as bizarre as Steak and Blowjob Day…”
  • Rose, Rebecca (14 March 2015). "14 Absolutely Horrible Jokes From Men About "Steak and Blow Job Day"". Cosmopolitan.
    • Part of the article’s URL is the best summary: “enjoy-the-best-tweets-from-steak-and-blow-job-day”
  • "10 Alternatives To Steak & Blowjob Day". Sabotage Times. 14 March 2014.
    • Publisher's statement: “All the distribution of content is done peer to peer through social networking sites. ...ST is a popular platform for new and established writers to sound off on the issues they feel passionate about.”
  • Doss, Laine (14 March 2017). "Steak and BJ Day Is Today: How to Celebrate". Miami New Times.
    • The site is the online presence of a weekly giveaway paper, the author is the site’s food and spirits editor.
    • Quote: “Before you get in a tizzy over this made-up holiday, think it through.”
  • "March 14th is Steak and BJ Day!". Q103 Albany. 14 March 2012.
    • A non-news radio station’s website.
    • Quote: “According to the official steak and bj day website, ...”
  • "Christina Aguilera Encourages Fans To Celebrate Steak And BJ Day". Huffington Post. 21 March 2014.
    • An article (in the Celebrity section) about a tweet.
  • Westbrook, Caroline (28 March 2017). "Peter Andre just made his feelings on Steak and Blow Job day very clear". Metro.
    • An online tabloid, the article is located in the Entertainment>Showbiz section, and the site’s motto is: “News... but not as you know it”
    • Quote: “Writing in his new! magazine column the Mysterious Girl singer ... jokingly suggested that women should take the day as seriously as men are expected to take Mother’s Day...”
  • Dupuis, Adam (13 March 2016). "March 14th is International Steak & Blowjob Day?". Instinct.
    • The article copies a post from another website, DNA, which after stating “It sounds like this was a straight holiday constructed to thank men...”, then proposes proposes making it a holiday for gay men, including explicit photos and videos.
  • "10 völlig sinnlose Aktionstage ("10 completely senseless action days"") (in German). Bild. 14 March 2012.
    • The site is the online presence of a German tabloid. My German is serviceable enough to follow the gist. Bild has a daily feature, 10 at 10, giving 10 fun facts about something. This lead highlights S&BJ Day as the first of 10 useless holidays.
    • Quote: “What is there to celebrate? Right, not much, but that's what this day has in common with many other supposed celebrations and commemorative days.”
  • Fab (14 March 2011). "Un steak et une pipe, la réplique masculine à la St Val" (in French). MadmoiZelle.
    • My French is weak, so I used a service. MadmoiZelle is an online French tabloid. The article author is listed as “... the creator and patron of MadmoiZelle.com, launched on October 1, 2005 in his attic.”
  • Znaty, Simon Kinski (1 September 2015). ""Steak & gâterie", la journée de l'homme!" (in French). LeBonBon. Retrieved 26 January 2018.
    • Another French clickbait site, it includes articles and quotes from the website and observes “The party takes place on March 14th across the Atlantic...”
  • Thornton, Walker (13 March 2015). "Men Get Their Own Day".
    • This is a blog.
    • Quote: “I’m not sure exactly who came up with that but it had to have been a man. I don’t think it has a Hallmark card just yet, but it does have a website.”
  • Jeret, Arianna (14 March 2017). "Is A Steak And BJ Day A Symbol Of Male Privilege Or Feminist Opportunity?". Tango.
    • The site appears to be a social media platform (from About: “YourTango has built a powerful platform where a community of readers, writers, brands, thought leaders, and the world’s leading relationship and mental health experts connect and engage...”)
    • Quote: “the origins of this "holiday" reek...” and the author notes “... it may not be so official, as there appear to be many "official" sites claiming responsibility for the day.”
  • "Steak And BJ Day Makes Us Want To Gag". Huffington Post. 14 March 2014.
    • The article is categorized under “Weird News” and the text consists of a series of posts from various social media platforms.
  • "How To Make The Most Of Your Steak And A BJ Day". FHM Online. 14 March 2017. Retrieved 17 January 2018.
    • This is a blog post promoting a steak house on New York’s Upper East Side as a “perfect pairing” to the adjacent strip club.
  • Raven, David (14 March 2015). "Steak and BJ Day 2015: 'Valentine's Day for men' is happening today across the world". Daily Mirror.
  • Footnote listing three sources claiming to be the "official site" for the holiday.
    • officialsteakandblowjobday.com -- contains a link to a CafePress storefront.
    • steakandbj.org -- This is a wordpress site. Quote: “Even though this special day for men is not yet recognized by the government, Hallmark, or other major greeting card companies, it is slowly gaining recognition.” The About link is broken and the site archives show a last updated date of 2015.
    • steakandbjday.com. Quote: “The word is already beginning to spread, but as with any new idea, it needs a little push to start the ball rolling.”
  • Saxena, Jaya (14 March 2011). "Happy Steak And BJ Day! (Or Pi Day, Nerds)". Gothamist.
    • The publisher, announcing that Gothamist was ceasing publication, noted the site was devoted to producing “… exceptional neighborhood storytelling.”
    • The article is in the “food” category.
  • Groome, Imogen (14 March 2017). "Ladies, tomorrow is the female version of Steak and Blowjob Day: Chicken and Licking Day". Metro.
    • As noted above, a British tabloid site, motto: “News, but not as you know it.”
    • This article appears in the Lifestyle → Sex section, uses a facebook page as its source, and most of the text is quotes from the page or from anonymous newsroom staff.

Dictioneer (talk) 13:59, 27 January 2018 (UTC)Reply

Thanks for all that. So what you've done is confirmed "sources for article about internet meme are mostly internet sources", and that most of the sources discuss it as a meme rather than as an actual day, which is not in dispute and is stressed in the article. fish&karate 13:15, 29 January 2018 (UTC)Reply

Requested move 29 January 2018 edit

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The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: no consensus. See no general agreement to add "meme" to this title. Does seem to be some agreement for a merge, so editors might try that next. As is usual with a no-consensus outcome, editors may continue to work toward consensus for the highest and best name for this article. ♥Happy ♥Hearts ♥Day! (closed by page mover)  Paine Ellsworth  put'r there  02:08, 5 February 2018 (UTC)Reply

Steak and Blowjob Day → Steak and Blowjob Day meme – The day is not observed, it is just a meme. Adding this WP:RM here for reference. The rename discussion is occurring at AfD, see Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Steak and Blowjob Day (4th nomination) SmokeyJoe (talk) 01:08, 29 January 2018 (UTC)Reply

  • Support. Here is a source that calls it primarily a meme:
    • Jones, Feminista (2014). "What's the Deal With "Steak and Blow Job Day"?". SheKnows Media. Archived from the original on 2018-01-16. Retrieved 2018-01-16.

      The article notes:

      However you feel about it, S&BJ Day continues to grow in popularity, even if primarily as an internet meme. Who knows?

    Cunard (talk) 01:24, 29 January 2018 (UTC)Reply
    It being a meme (which is not disputed) is not a sufficient reason to include the word "meme" in the title. The source itself does not do that, so why should Wikipedia? No such user (talk) 09:47, 30 January 2018 (UTC)Reply
  • No objection, but I don't see the point given a rename can be decided at AFD. fish&karate 08:57, 29 January 2018 (UTC)Reply
    • This was meant to be just a pointer, and to put it on the RM list. I think everyone should make their comments in at AfD. —SmokeyJoe (talk) 10:45, 29 January 2018 (UTC)Reply
  • Support move to meme but prefer Delete 10:48, 29 January 2018 (UTC)
  • Strong oppose per WP:POVTITLE and WP:CONCISE, as well as per WP:CONSISTENCY with almost every other article in Category:Internet memes. Let us not treat our readers like idiots. Titles are not the place for editorializing, no matter how you may dislike the subject. No such user (talk) 09:45, 30 January 2018 (UTC)Reply
    • WP:POVTITLE is a nonsense WP:VAGUEWAVE. "Meme" is an accurate neutral description. It's actually an NPOV version of the more accurate "Hoax" option. The topic is a hoax. It describes something that does not exist, as if it does, which has zero even purported primary sources. Category:Hoaxes and Category:Internet hoaxes does show many articles suffixed with "hoax". Category:Internet memes? The normal title in that category is not falsely asserting something. I don't dislike the subject (a widely described meme), but I deny that the day has ever been culturally observed. The title is the most important content of any article, and this title is unverifiable, fake. Only the meme is real. --SmokeyJoe (talk) 22:37, 30 January 2018 (UTC)Reply
  • Oppose, per No such user. It also seems to be celebrated by some, is mentioned in adequate and varied sources, and I can really see no real reason to change it. Randy Kryn (talk) 11:56, 30 January 2018 (UTC)Reply
  • Oppose. There is no need to specify further and the WP:COMMONNAME does not include "meme". -- Tavix (talk) 17:43, 30 January 2018 (UTC)Reply
  • Comment – @No such user, Randy Kryn, and Tavix: Just FYI, the discussion is not taking place here but rather at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Steak and Blowjob Day (4th nomination). SmokeyJoe only included this here for reference. 142.161.81.20 (talk) 21:27, 30 January 2018 (UTC)Reply
    I am aware of the AFD debate, but I don't have an opinion on the subject notability to comment there. I don't think SmokeyJoe line of arguing there is tenable: "rename or delete" is a kind of blackmail (and he shouldn't have opened this RM in parallel anyway); while AfD may have a mandate to rename (or merge), that is kind of a secondary issue. I'm commenting here only from an WP:AT standpoint: if the subject is notable, then the article ought to have a WP:COMMONNAME; if it's not notable, then the latter question is moot. No such user (talk) 08:06, 31 January 2018 (UTC)Reply
    I think you are right, I should rewrite my !vote as “Rename and keep”. The title and opening line are wrong, but the content beyond is fine. It quickly reveals that the joke topic is just a meme, and the sourcing clearly establishes the meme as notable. —SmokeyJoe (talk) 08:20, 31 January 2018 (UTC)Reply
  • Oppose, not seeing a policy basis for the name change. The sources clearly indicate the subject is a meme, but those sources do not use the word "meme" in the name of the subject. Per WP:COMMONNAME, it's clear that the existing name matches those sources. Furthermore, the first two sentences of the article already make clear that the day is a "satirical holiday", and "an internet meme, with little or no observance in reality" - which provides adequate context to qualify the subject. I would not be opposed to a new "internet meme" infobox being created to clearly flag all meme articles, if a standardized one could be agreed on for use across meme articles - although that's a separate project. --- Barek (talk • contribs) - 23:23, 2 February 2018 (UTC)Reply
    • The Policy basis is WP:V. There is no reliable source that asserts existence of any such day. The sources describing the meme are not reliable sources for the day, and so should be excluded as support for the current title that doesn’t allude to it being satirical. Titles occur in the absence of the article ledes, titles have to stand alone, this title standing alone fails WP:V, and does not describe the topic of the article. —SmokeyJoe (talk) 00:00, 3 February 2018 (UTC)Reply
      • WP:V is a content policy, while WP:COMMONNAME is part of the WP:Article titles policy; they are complementary but they refer to entirely different aspects. And "existence" is an ill-defined term. By your line of reasoning, we should rename Superman to Superman (fictional hero) because no reliable source asserts his "existence". No such user (talk) 13:00, 4 February 2018 (UTC)Reply
        • WP:V is way more fundamental. There is no such day. An important angle is whether the article can be misleading, starting with the title. Are people likely to believe that superman implies that there really is a superman? I don’t think so. It goes to how hoaxie the topic is. Superman is not a hoax. Steak and Blowjob Day is a hoax. It is told as a joke. In the telling of a joke, it begins as a hoax, until the satire is revealed. It is a fake hoax, Wikipedia does not perpetuate the hoaxes, the non-truth nature of the topic must be revealed upfront. —SmokeyJoe (talk) 13:21, 4 February 2018 (UTC)Reply
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For when I’m not on my phone edit

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https://www.stern.de/familie/henriette-hell/-valentinstag---maenner--langsam-muesst-ihr-euch-den--schnitzel---blowjob--tag-verdienen--7837626.html

https://www.menshealth.com/sex-women/steak-and-blowjob-day

https://www.maxim.com/maxim-man/steak-and-blowjob-day-2017-2

http://www.elmundo.es/f5/comparte/2017/03/14/58c6d09de2704ed43a8b457e.html

fish&karate 18:28, 30 January 2018 (UTC)Reply

Alternative views edit

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I discovered steak and blowjob day (in the uk) when a woman cooked me steak and gave me a blowjob. I had not heard of it before and thought it was rather pleasant. Most importantly it was not a meme. Surely there are sources which can corroborate my experience and enrich this article, which seems biased toward feminist views of the day and the meme theory?213.205.199.54 (talk) 01:56, 13 February 2018 (UTC)Reply

Congratulations are in order. Should you find some reliable sources which do indeed corroborate your tale, please feel free to add them to the article. Alternately, supply them here and I'd be happy to use them to expand the article. Kind regards, Fish+Karate 08:47, 13 February 2018 (UTC)Reply

Other Countrys edit

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Germany: The "Steak and Blowjob Day" called in Germany "Schnitzel und Blowjob Tag" (Schnitzel and Blowjob Day).--92.214.172.98 (talk) 13:24, 15 February 2018 (UTC)Reply

Danke schoen! The article already states that "In Germany, Bild noted the day is known as Schnitzel und Blowjob Tag". Fish+Karate 13:53, 15 February 2018 (UTC)Reply

"with little or no observance in reality" edit

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I'm removing this line: partly because it's demonstrably not true (one look at a Millenial/GenZ'ers Facebook today is plenty to show that) and, more importantly, this claim has only one reference which is a blog post with absolutely no encyclopedic value or scientific merit, reference to any study, or even anything resembling information backing this claim up. The linked article does not even contain the quote it is referenced against. Audigex (talk) 01:11, 15 March 2018 (UTC)Reply

Honestly and with all my heart edit

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Photo requested Video requested Routine Demon (talk) 02:42, 29 April 2018 (UTC)Reply

Hmmm .. no. But haha. Fish+Karate 12:50, 30 April 2018 (UTC)Reply

Cake and Cunnilingus Day edit

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In this edit, Socialgroover inserts a sentence about "Cake and Cunnilingus Day", a reactionary holiday to Steak and Blowjob Day. The edit was reverted by myself and No such user. At least a couple of the sources are unreliable—Lelo is a blog, dictionary.com counts for nothing and I can't find out what news.de is. On the other hand, there are a couple of good sources: [1][2] and maybe [3]. My main reason for reverting was that no edit summary was given, and per WP:BRD we should discuss things once they have been challenged. But I'm coming around to thinking that the sentence (once reworded) is appropriate. (See also a discussion on my talk page.) — Bilorv(c)(talk) 02:38, 17 November 2018 (UTC)Reply

Why "satirical" holiday edit

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Its listed as a "satirical" holiday, but why? Two references are given, but one is silent on any satire. The other lists "satirical" tweets, but that does not mean the holiday itself is satirical. If all you need is a website giving funny tweets to categorize a holiday as satirical, same argument could be made about Valentine's Day ([4]), birthdays ([5]), Thanksgiving ([6]), and Christmas ([7]). If it's going to have a page, then list it as a holiday or give significant references that the holiday is not really practiced. No evidence has been given that the holiday itself is satirical, so that should be removed unless better evidence is given. ItsGolfTime (talk) 14:49, 7 March 2020 (UTC)Reply

I would say the onus is on you to provide reliable references that this is a real holiday. Meters (talk) 21:52, 7 March 2020 (UTC)Reply
I would disagree as this is a 34-reference article; so its no dispute the holiday exists. Now if it is "satirical" or "non-satirical" can be supported by references, but in the absence of either it should be left blank as "holiday" as that complies with the neutrality of WP:POV. That being said, I have no interest in getting into a WP:WAR and in the spirit of WP:FAITH, I will reference some what is in the article:
  • FHM, Maxim, and Men's Health articles appear to simply discuss the existence of the holiday; nothing suggests it is satire or not "real".
  • From a non-male magazine perspective, the YourTango/[[Tango] article discusses if it is male privilege. Such a debate would not happen if it were merely satire.
  • Houston Press, LA Weekly, and Miami New Times are all alternative media outlets that have articles. So they would be more neutral (not male or female reader focused) and their articles all suggest it being an actual holiday.
  • Also worth note is that Etsy sells a multitude of card options; people wouldn't sell them unless people bought them and that leads to this being a "real" holiday" [8]. This isn't in the article, but it is anecdotal that people are selling and presumably people are buying in celebration.
In view of all this, unless you can establish that it clearly is satirical then it should be left blank as that is the neutral position as what I have shown likely shows its non-satirical, but at the very least shows it cannot be clearly defined as satirical.ItsGolfTime (talk) 23:57, 7 March 2020 (UTC)Reply
The article has called it a parody or a satire since it was created in 2005. Per WP:BRD I've restored the long-standing version that this is a parody, pending any new consensus. Meters (talk) 00:06, 8 March 2020 (UTC)Reply
From 2005-2018 it appears this article was constantly being deleted. It wasn't until around 2018 that enough sources were provided that this became keep. So I don't think we have a 13-year position, but much shorter. I don't think WP:BRD is appropriate here as "many editors" are not discussing this. This is simple - there is no reference saying this is satirical and multiple references establishing that it is not. Therefore, it should be neutral unless it can be proven otherwise. I think you would have a better argument if my edit changed it to "non-satirical", but here I am just following the evidence/references and wikipedia policy. ItsGolfTime (talk) 02:05, 8 March 2020 (UTC)Reply
As the article says, it's a "popular Internet meme rather than an actual holiday". The article has been here since 2005, and it has not been called a real holiday since then. There's no consensus for your change. Until there is the article stays as is. Meters (talk) 06:58, 8 March 2020 (UTC)Reply
Indeed. It's clearly not a holiday (sounds of weeping, off stage) except as something thought up by Alan Partridge in the office with the rest of the lads. ——SN54129 07:16, 8 March 2020 (UTC)Reply
As above. Not a holiday, or anything except a spoof. --bonadea contributions talk 22:13, 9 March 2020 (UTC)Reply
I've added a reliable source that explicitly calls this "a satirical holiday" since the SPA has actually taken this to DRN. Meters (talk) 21:42, 11 March 2020 (UTC)Reply
Thanks Meters for going to that trouble. A shame you felt you had to of course, but it's good to see that while ItsGolfTime is able to waste other editors' time on this talk page, they are unable to do so at DRN. Their report will be swiftly closed. ——SN54129 09:27, 12 March 2020 (UTC)Reply
Tough to AGF when an SPA who is clearly not a new editor tries this, and even cherry picks a supporting editor to name at DRN who has not touched this article in two years. Meters (talk) 09:32, 12 March 2020 (UTC)Reply
Dead right Meters; it's difficult to see that, particularly, in any kind of a flattering light! ——SN54129 21:49, 12 March 2020 (UTC)Reply
I find this so sad. First, and I mean this sincerely, thank you Meters for finding the reference. And I mean that. My point was never that it HAD to change, but that no reference supported the position. I don't think you can find any evidence I was acting in a rude or malicious manner. I would not call it wasting time to reference something. I still don't agree that one reference overcomes what I cited above, but I can recognize honest effort. I still think the report is relevant, but I can appreciate effort when done. Second, I dindn't "cherry pick" an editor. When making the report, I saw the previous discussion about practice and found it similar. So I cited that and the editor. Of course I could get in trouble if I cite a previous discussion and don't alert the editor, so damned if I do, damned if I don't. BTW, if I really wanted to cherry pick I would have called out all the "keeps" from the deletion discussion. But I didn't because I am being reasonable here (and still didn't cite them here because I am WP:CIVIL. Third, you can call out AGF, DRN, or any other acronym, at the end of the day all that matters is what is referenced and what those references say. People do not raise money for breast cancer based on a joke. As said in the deletion discussion, social media appears to discuss it with regard to younger people (don't worry, I won't cite those that said that so not to "cherry pick"). The day is 2 days away. How about people do research on the day to see if we get an understanding if it is practiced or not on the day? Fourth and finally, this just gives a giant vibe of WP:IDONTLIKEIT. There is no doubt the two previously cited references did not establish it was satire. Why when that was raised were a bunch of statements made without anyone actually finding the references? Only Meters appears to have taken the time to find anything (and only one thing at that and never addressed what I cited). Is it normal policy to take something unsupported and just let it stand? The report may be swiftly closed, but I don't see how any of the three questions I raised were unfounded or have been significantly addressed. You may not like the topic or the question or me, but everything I have said is rooted in facts and policy. ItsGolfTime (talk) 22:00, 12 March 2020 (UTC)Reply
This article is just one of the type that encounters lots of less than constructive editing. The IPs are from all over the place and often have no other history, so there's nothing to connect them to each other or to any named accounts. I'm not aware of any current blocks related to this so it does not appear to be block evasion. No check user would touch this (even if the behavioural evidence were strong enough, which I very much doubt, CUs won't connect IPs and named accounts). Whether or not one thinks there is pointy or even bad faith editing going on there's not much that can be done except a formal talk page consensus confirming that this supposed holiday is satirical or a parody (which is what the apparent article consensus has been for 15 years) and to protect the page again if the edits continue. Meters (talk) 18:55, 14 March 2020 (UTC)Reply

See also misdating edit

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Includes cake and cunnilingus day in the same day links Chris.lilo (talk) 13:55, 14 March 2021 (UTC)Reply

Indeed. I guess it was supposed to mean "also on the 14th"? But it's not clear from the simple meaning of "date" that it doesn't include the same month. Updated, thanks for noting it. DMacks (talk) 14:04, 14 March 2021 (UTC)Reply

Semi-protected edit request on 15 March 2021 edit

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The correct date is March 15th. March 14th is national pie day as in creame pie. This is followed by steak and bj day 3/15. Simple research. 2604:CB00:206:6200:2542:D920:5F98:6B84 (talk) 17:38, 15 March 2021 (UTC)Reply

  Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. The sources I checked all say it's on the 14th, to include www.steakandbjday.com. Thank you for your input! P.I. Ellsworth  ed. put'r there 18:30, 15 March 2021 (UTC)Reply
National Pie Day is January 23rd -- 1.23. You are maybe confusing Pi Day which is March 14th -- 3.14? Neither entry make any connection to Creampie (sexual act). Curved Space (talk) 12:02, 16 March 2021 (UTC)Reply
See also wikt:pie#Noun #8 (no cream required). I think OP is making a clever (in their mind) language joke. But cunning-linguist topics are better saved for the subsequent month. DMacks (talk) 15:36, 16 March 2021 (UTC)Reply

Sincere apology for disruptive soapboxing edit

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To the "Reception" section on this article I recently I added what I felt, in my limited perspective, was a poetic essay documenting my own. While I intended to contribute, I can see how my actions were perceived as Vandalism. In general, WP:Do not disrupt Wikipedia to illustrate a point, as I did. I ought to have discussed it here on talk first, or published it on my blog. Considering my own pleasure primary, as an ordinary cis-gender hetero male, I enjoy French kissing with lips unpolluted by fellatio. That said, I concluded, after researching the sources referenced in Cake and Cunnilingus Day, that women's pleasure matters. Given these principles, I declared Give your woman some good love-making day for March 14th, on the day itself. In retrospect, I can see how my declaration may have offended some differently-abled male individuals who require women to play the role of active partner instead, along with talk radio hosts who have declared March 14th as their own, as well as people who read lifestyle mags and document internet memes. Moreover, Wikipedia is not a WP:SOAPBOX for feminist propaganda, and I violated this principle. While the same could be argued about the articles themselves (as it has been), my WP:BOLD edit was made without the consulting the community first, as I'm doing now. Also, I may have contributed to the anti-male chauvinist WP:Systemic Bias that already exists in the feminist literature. As a result, I suffered a 31 hour block from wikipedia, my first ever. After half a year of constructively editing in good faith, it was frightening to think that I could lose my priveleges over this, and I hope it never happens again. I've also been accused of promoting a Lunisolar calendar and Asian civilization, to the exclusion of a white north american and western european perspective, which uses the Gregorian solar calendar. It is alleged on my talk page that I am WP:NOTHERE, that is, editing in apparent bad faith. It appears that I face the threat of total cancellation if I make another misstep. I will try my hardest not to do it again. I should have brought it here to the talk page first. I remain committed to the ENCYCLOPEDIC MISSION and to providing a well-sourced, WP:NPOV, and a WP:CIVIL environment for editors of ALL backgrounds, including white American and western european men, whose voices needed to be heard as well. If I am banned over this, I want you all to know that I love Wikipedia, and I hope that other editors can learn from my mistakes. If I have offended anyone, I'm terribly sorry.Jaredscribe (talk) 23:42, 19 March 2021 (UTC)Reply

To editor Jaredscribe: sometimes not an easy lesson to learn, to be sure. When I went to Africa, the org I was with told me there were four "taboo" and sometimes explosive topics that I should never talk about with the local residents. Those topics were politics, religion, race and sex. That was many years ago, and even now I am very careful when discussing those subjects, especially with people I don't know, and especially when we are not face-to-face so I can see their body language. If you truly love Wikipedia as you say, then it is likely that you will be okay from here. I know you probably feel like you're "walking on egg shells"; however as good ol' Dad used to say, "This, too, shall pass." Might try checking out one of my fave places on Wikipedia, the Department of Fun. That place has a tendency to help put things in proper perspective. We are all volunteer editors here, so from here on out, I hope you spend a lot of time enjoying yourself while editing this magnificent reference work! P.I. Ellsworth  ed. put'r there 13:23, 20 March 2021 (UTC)Reply

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steak and blow job day way first mentioned by a listener (Billy Morrissey) on a radio station in cork Ireland on February 14 1999 .


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This holiday is also observed in Canada! 🇨🇦 2607:FEA8:6067:9A00:C581:8606:A7DB:209A (talk) 00:45, 15 March 2022 (UTC)Reply

  Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Terasail[✉️] 00:48, 15 March 2022 (UTC)Reply

Steak and Knobber day was created in 1998 By the DSC radio Show in San Diego, CA. edit

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This complete article is false and needs to be rewritten to reflect the actual creator of the day! 24.116.89.13 (talk) 23:20, 10 March 2023 (UTC)Reply

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