Talk:Springfield's state/Archive 1

Ummm....

David Silverman was joking when he said Springfield is in "North Takoma". I would advise making a new article called "Springfield's state" or "The state in which Springfield is located" for all information relating to the state, as it would be more accurate. Rubber cat 04:15, 25 November 2005 (UTC)

Fair enough; should I perhaps move the article? smurrayinchester^{(User), (Talk)} 10:50, 25 November 2005 (UTC)

Ogdenville

Didn't one episode show Ogdenville being in another state, because they took the "Highway to another state"?

No. The Highway you mentioned was in an entirely different episode. Besides, Springfield competes with Ogdenville in the STATE fair. --Jnelson09 04:06, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

Correct me but Brockway, Ogdenville and North Haverbrook can't be in the same state. On the episode Marge vs. the Monorail Langley shows a map of the USA with the three cities being far away from each other. Means that only one can be near Springfield. Marge is driving within a days time to North Haverbrook indicating that NH is probably closest to Springfield.

Didn't McClure say the State?

Didn't Troy McClure say during the Behind the Laughter episode that the Simspons lived in Kentucky?

the announcer did say this, but alot of the geography would not match

Yes, he said that the Simpsons lived in Kentucky... 81.203.141.80 23:38, 18 March 2006 (UTC)

The "Behind the Laughter" episode states that they are a Kentuckian family. However, the episode is considered to be non-canon, so the statement wouldn't be verifiable. Iwhaiwnfi 19:14, 2 July 2006 (UTC)

There are two diffrent versions of that statement. During the inital broadcast it was stated as northern Kentucky, but during the second airing it was stated they were from Missouri. Anyway, the Capitol City Goofball definitivley stated theirs is a northern state, where as the aforementioned states are southern, though Kentucky did not secede during the Civil War.

• You think of Missouri as a southern state? I assure you, no one in Missouri does. It was a slave state, but that's the only southern-ish thing about it. It certainly did not secede. Krychek 14:29, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

Some Missourians think it's a southern state, others think it's a northern state. Most think it's the mid-west. Still, it was part of the Confederacy.—Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.149.189.56 (talk • contribs)

In behind the laughter they changed it so it says Kentucky ot Missouri because it seems to give away too much. Also you have to realise it was a joke like it always is, because homers side of the famiy are immigrants, and marges moved to springfield, so if they were a Kentuckian family then it means that they originally came from Kentucky, however this is not possible. Luann van Houten comes from Shelbyville,(the same state) and speaks with a slight southern accent.Davie4264 14:14, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

Yes He Did!

Behind The Laughter

Episode Number: 248 Season Num: 11 First Aired: Sunday May 21, 2000

Troy Says

"The Simpsons' bitter past was forgotten, and now the future looks brighter than ever for this northern Kentucky family."

I've seen that Episode aired many times and Have never seen it say Missouri. I also have a Video Recording of it.

However, in the interest of truth I am calling for postponement of this debate (about this episode) until Season 11 comes out on DVD. Season 10 is already out so we shouldn't have to wait very long.

Once we see what it says in the show they put on the DVD this discussion will be more interesting.

--Coretj 23:11, 8 July 2007 (UTC)CORETJ

By any chance has the episode been aired on the same channel, if so then thats why, the channel would have one version of the episode. Not both.Davie4264 18:02, 22 July 2007 (UTC)

They stopped using Troy after Phil Hartman was killed. The episode you're discussing came out long after that. If you can't even realize that it isn't Troy talking, you have no place to act as an authority on what was said or not said.

That too, it is just the narrator.Davie4264 21:07, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

'Lisa on Ice' commentary

In the 'Lisa on Ice' commentary, it's stated that Mike what's-his-name is from Springfield, Massachusetts and jokingly commented that that's the very one in which the Simpsons reside. -- General Wesc 02:56, 24 January 2006 (UTC)

As you said, he jokingly commented. What's to say that wasn't a joke too? Iwhaiwnfi 19:14, 2 July 2006 (UTC)

Location, Evidence Suggests Washington State

I forget the episode, but Lisa said that if you look at the clues it's possible to figure out the location of Springfield. I wonder about this because I remember them being able to plant lemon trees, but also having snow. If Springfield is in area that gets snow (and I don't think they were all just freak storms), it can't also have a climate that's hot enough for long enough to grow lemon trees. Any ideas? From different comments at various times by various characters, it seems that snow in winter is expected by Springfieldians. —This unsigned comment was added by 70.49.240.116 (talk • contribs) .

• Ok i read this article, all the descriptions on geography point to it being a southern state. The only contradiction is merely a mention that the state was part of the North. It's either Texas (if you believe in the coastal regions which were added later on in the show) or Kentucky (the whole show), and with that we are leaning toward Kentucky.

I heard that commentary, and he was clearly joking. And his name is Mike Scully.

the episode you are thinking of is called blame it on lisa. also i have done research into it and the only state that seems possible is california and that springfield is somewhere in the middle area where it is possible to get snow and grow lemon trees also aside from the joke clues there is no evidence against it.

No, it's NOT California! In the episode And Maggie Makes Three, Homer briefly works at a bowling alley, and when he has to leave his job, he tells a sickly kid something on the lines of "Don't worry, we'll make it to California some day," implying that they aren't in California.—Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.149.189.56 (talk • contribs)

In the epdisode El Viaje Misterioso de Nuestro Jomer (The Mysterious Voyage of Homer), Marge tracks Homer down at the lighthouse, and say that she knew he was heading west, implying that the ocean is to the west, meaning it must be the Pacific. We know they don't live in Alaska or Hawaii ("the freak state"). They don't live in California (see above), and they don't live in Oregon (in The Wizard of Evergreen Terrace they see a sign on the highway directing them to Oregon, meaning they're not in it). So, I conclude Springfield is in Washington State. Unless of course the lighthouse was on a very large lake, like one of the Great Lakes—Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.149.189.56 (talk • contribs)

Also in Simpson Tide You see Springfield located on the west coast, Homer sails to near russia. Blackwave...... (talk) 18:30, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

Opening sequence

I can't remember whoch episode, and my American geography doesn't extent beyond the location of four or five states, but there was an opening sequence where the camera zoomer out of the Simpson's house and up into space giving a clear view of the location, if not the name, of the state. I can't be much more help than that I'm afraid! Bt I'm sure someone else can help further, and if we get this information we should probably add it to the article.ShizuokaSensei 01:42, 4 May 2006 (UTC)

Yep - the opener was from On a Clear Day I Can't See My Sister; it was based on Powers of Ten. I keep meaning to take a look at the YouTube version of the opener and compare it with Google Maps (which is the only way I could figure anything out - I don't know US states v. well, apart from knowing that Metropolis should be in Delaware). --Eric TF Bat 01:11, 19 June 2006 (UTC)

I believe it was Ohio. --Yancyfry jr 03:18, 25 August 2006 (UTC)

You can watch the opening sequence here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a94d9fxBxNo. I roughly put it at Illinois or Indiana - definately in the north. Anyway, doesn't this count as original research? James Richardson 16:24, 9 May 2007 (UTC)

Opening sequences, like the "Behind The Laughter" episode and Halloween specials, are considered non-canon (see: http://www.snpp.com/guides/springfield.list.html#evidence) and can't be used to establish the location of Springfield. novakyu 15:27, 1 June 2007 (UTC)

Hank Scorpio

Why do we think Hank Scorpio is a resident of Springfield's State? DJ Clayworth 18:29, 30 May 2006 (UTC)

He isn't. Unless we are willing to pin down Springfield to be on the East. Also, I don't think there's a reason for Cypress Creek to be in the same state as Springfield. novakyu 15:38, 1 June 2007 (UTC)

They said Cypress Creek was "upstate." --Jnelson09 04:07, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

North Takoma possible fictional location

Due to all the varring evidance of a the loaction of Springfield USA, and the evidence of NT and TA and a producers quote of "North Tacoma" or "North Takoma" it is fare to asume that this it the most likely location. The fictional state itself has to be somewhere, my sugestion is that it could mostlikely be wedged in between Oregen and California making four states on the western seaboard, but due to pollution and other factors this border area is marked on all maps as belonging to Oregen and California. It also has to be part of the local mountain ranges and have part of the valleys of California that grow Oranges and wine as although i dont know whats needed for a lemon tree but this would suffice. 0209 am bst 14th of the 8th 2006.

Should I add this?

A few years ago, I believe 4/5 years ago, I wrote a letter to Simpsons Comics asking which state they reside in. And to my suprise, in Issue #70, they included my letter in their editorial column. They said Springfield is a fictional place, in any place you want it to be, or something along the lines. I don't have the copy of that comic book anymore, but I will try and find one at a comic shop so I can provide the letter.

Tinkleheimer 00:32, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

Merge proposal

There was a merge tag on the Springfield (The Simpsons) page which suggested this article be merged into there. A proposal on the talk page discussed having the merge go the other way. I agree with this idea, as the debate on what state Springfield is from takes up a huge chunk of the page, and I feel most of that discussion would be better placed here. Radagast83 17:36, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

Moved town

A big factor to be mentioned a lot here I think is the episode where Homer becomes head of the binmen and the entire city is moved, this is mentioned in several subsequent episodes as having happened. This could help explain discrepancies in location (i.e. one minute middle of the desert, the next its a harsh winter) as Springfield is actually in TWO states.
Episodes do not nessesarily come in the sequential order in which they were made also so you can have stuff before and after.--Josquius 23:47, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

That is my theory. They were in SW Oregon, but moved to N California. It adds up, because there's a reference to California in season 6, and a reference to Oregon in season 17. --Jnelson09 04:09, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

State Section Needs Cleanup

The main reason why I am requesting this clean up is the fact that it seems someone wrote about regions which is not what the section is about. The regions still mention specific states and this section should be cleaned up.

I do have a format suggestion about the state list. I think it would look nice to list both reasons why Springfieid can or/and can't be in each specific state. Sawblade05 09:03, 31 January 2007 (UTC)

Anoteher reason for being on East Coast:

I think we should remember that Hurricanes only are only possible on the East Coast of the United States (no Climate Changing comments please!). Shouldn't this rule out most states? The sound 06:23, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

You are way off. Hurricanes hit the West Coast too. They even have separate names.

Pumping gas in New Jersey

Not that there's really much evidence in favor of Springfield, New Jersey being the Springfield of the Simpsons, but it's worth noting that while state law does forbid customers from operating gas pumps by themselves, I've certainly seen people (myself included) do it, mainly to save a little time if the gas station is very busy. In fact, my late father usually did this task for himself, and I can't think of a single time anyone objected...not even when he did it in Springfield!

Besides, a lot of things are illegal in New Jersey (and presumably most other states): locking your baby (even accidentally) inside a newspaper rack, painting "El Barto" on various walls and other surfaces, pretending to steal your friend's car so he can commit insurance fraud, and so forth, all of which happen in The Simpsons. In short, whether something is illegal in a given state isn't particularly helpful in this determination. 69.142.150.232 22:36, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

Mjj237 22:37, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

I just watched the Third trailer for the movie and in it there is a scene of Bart and Ned walking to the top of a hill and Ned saying you can see the four states which surround Springfeild - "ohio, Nevada, Maine, Kentucky."

Yes, but those states are nowhere near eachother. Acastus69 09:22, 12 March 2007 (UTC)

Ohio and Kentucky border one another.—Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.149.189.56 (talk • contribs)

Please sign your posts with ~~~~.—Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？ (talk • contribs) 00:00, 23 July 2007 (UTC)

Pumping gas in Oregon

While you're on the subject of pumping gas, there's a section in this article that says it's illegal to pump your own gas in Oregon. I didn't delete it because I'm not sure of the law, but, like the comment about New Jersey, I'm sure that some people do it to save time. Also, I believe it's not illegal to pump your own gas if you're in a business vehicle, which I also believe includes private vehicles used for business. Maybe the Simpsonmobile is still technically the Pretzelmobile? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 67.150.220.113 (talk) 05:19, 22 February 2007 (UTC).

South Dakota?

"An FBI agent, in a successful attempt to set up Congressmen Bob Arnold, poses as an “oil company" executive who wants to drill for oil in Teddy Roosevelt’s head on Mount Rushmore and offers Congressmen Bob Arnold a bribe to get permission to do so. Just so there is no confusion there is an amusing picture showing what this might look like. Obviously it would make no sense for him to try and bribe a congressman who was not in control of the district in which Mount Rushmore resides, namely the one and only district there is in SOUTH DAKOTA."

The problem with this argument is that to drill in a National Monument like Mt. Rushmore would require approval from the federal government, not just a single representative.

 This section should probably be cleaned up. It doesn't sound very encyclopedic...--Invader122 23:48, 9 April 2007

Eastern Time Zone?

"In the episode "Bart the Fink", when Bart questions the local bankers about the check he gave to Krusty, a phone call is made to New York at 2:01 PM, then to Cayman Islands at 2:02 PM. Afterwards, a fax is made to Washington D.C at 2:03 PM, and Krusty is arrested in Springfield at 2:04 PM. The first three places are all in UTC-5 time zone when the Northern Hemisphere is in winter, when the episode was first aired. And assuming the sequence of events is meant to show how quickly the authority reacts to tax evasion, that would put Springfield in the North American Eastern Time Zone."

This is only true if all the times were shown local. It makes more sense, however, that all times are relative to Springfield's time zone, meaning it could be anywhere.

Couch 18:25, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

Amsih

"In the episode "Old Yeller Belly", the Amish build a treehouse for the Simpsons, indicating that Springfield is in either Ohio or Pennsylvania. Also, Milhouse's mother mentions Mechanicsburg; there is a Mechanicsburg in both Ohio and Pennsylvania."

There are Amish in other states besides just Ohio and Pennsylvania.

Couch 18:28, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

I think the old title is better.

I think we should keep the title "Fictional state of Springfield". I don't really see an encyclopedia having a "'" and I think it sounds more professionsal. Cheers, JetLover (Talk) (Sandbox) 03:16, 9 June 2007 (UTC)

That title makes it sound like the state is called Springfield. -- Scorpion⁰⁴²² 03:18, 9 June 2007 (UTC)

Ah. Cheers, JetLover (Talk) (Sandbox) 03:20, 9 June 2007 (UTC)

Vastly seperated?

The article contains the line "Ohio, Nevada, Maine and Kentucky, all of which are vastly separated." Ohio and Kentucky aren't vastly seperated - they border each other. MK2 02:36, 22 July 2007 (UTC)

I was going to add this same comment, but you beat me to it!—Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.149.189.56 (talk • contribs)

Merge with Springfield (The Simpsons)?

Much of the material in this article and the one mentioned above seems to be duplicated. Do we need two different articles on essentially the same subject? --EngineerScotty 16:41, 27 July 2007 (UTC)

Which would be merged into which? I strongly oppose a merge, as they are two completely seperate entities. -- Scorpion⁰⁴²² 03:11, 28 July 2007 (UTC)

This should be added in

But I'm not sure how it should be formatted. It turns out that there is a Springfield and Shelbyville in Missouri. Reginmund 03:18, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

I believe that's just a coincidence and holds no significance to the show. If a source can be included that states differently then it should be added, otherwise not. ●BillPP ^{(talk|contribs)} 04:22, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

The only reason it should be put in there is if a member of the production staff acknowledges it. Otherwise, it would count as OR. This article used to have speculation on 30+ different states and was a total disaster, so now we're keeping unsourced speculation out of it. -- Scorpion⁰⁴²² 04:24, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

Anybody else know this?

Point yourself to Google Maps and type Shelbyville, Kentuckey. Go a little west and find.. none other than Simpsonville. Now tell me, all this talk about "Kentuckey" being the state; well there isnt a SIMPSONVILLE near any other springfield!! make sense? Big texas lump 05:46, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

Referencing Behind the Laughter

Referencing "Behind the Laughter" in the opening paragraph is misleading. Especially phrasing it as The only time the Simpsons' home state was revealed was in the "Behind the Laughter" episode because the episode portrays the Simpson family as actors playing themselves on a sitcom; so by stating they are from "Northern Kentucky" (or Southern Missouri), the show is referring to the supposed 'actors' rather than the characters on the show. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 121.210.30.118 (talk) 07:33, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

It has been fixed Ctjf83^talk 08:41, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

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State flag

I think it's worth mentioning that there have been two state flags shown. The first flag had green, white, and orange horizontal stripes and the motto "Not Just Another State".[1] The second flag featured a Confederate Flag over a body of water with a sunburst behind it.[2] I'm just not sure how to work that into the article.Mustang6172 (talk) 04:32, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

North Takoma

I wasn't 100% about the state name; '"North Tacoma" Simpsons State' gets slightly more Google hits than '"North Takoma" Simpsons State', but if anyone is sure the title is North Takoma, feel free to move the article. smurrayinchester^{(Penny for the Guy?), (The Guy)} 18:40, 4 November 2005 (UTC)

It should be moved to North Tacoma, the Spanish article is already named that or Nueva Tacoma i think and the postal code is NT and that ain't northern kentucky.^MY♥_INchile 23:14, 17 July 2008 (UTC)

Brockway, Ogdenville and North Haverbrook

I notice all three listed in the "Locations" section, but it's clear on the map that Lanley produces at the town meeting that they're spread all over the US. So they can't all be in Springfield's state, surely? 90.197.226.171 (talk) 19:57, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

I agree 100%, and have deleted it a while ago. In the future please put new posts at the bottom of the page, thank you CTJF83Talk 20:01, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

Northern Kentucky, as per Behind The Laughter

In the Behind The Laughter episode, the narrator states that they live in Northern Kentucky. Matt2h 05:20, 13 May 2007 (UTC)

In the first airing yes, but in subsequent airings of the same show it says that they live in Missouri. Springfield is meant to be a fictional city in a fictional USA. This way it can have any features the story calls for. It is meant to be a typical city ("Anywhere USA"). This article is only meant to relay the information about the state (such as its history, culture, etc.); it is not meant to show where the state is located. --WillMak050389 13:55, 13 May 2007 (UTC)

I recall them saying "Northern Kentucky" once, and subsequently "Southern Missouri." Why the change?—Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.149.189.56 (talk • contribs)

In Homer's Inasent Report Granpa said there are 49 states and said Il will take me a long time to reconnyse Missoura that means that they d'ont live in Missouri —Preceding unsigned comment added by Lucstar88 (talk • contribs) 23:54, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

That episode was non-canon.--Degenerate-Y (talk) 23:47, 31 August 2008 (UTC)

Massachusettes

In one episode where Fat Tony and his men is about to shoot Homer, when Homer was driving there was a sign of Highway 95 so it's in the east cost and in Goo Goo Gai Pan, since homer hates his own state he said ( OH MASSACHUSEETES )so that means he lives in Massachussettes Lucstar88 3 july 2008

No! They live in no real state! CTJF83Talk 00:30, 4 July 2008 (UTC)

Clues (Location)

I think I have 2 "Clues" to the location of Springfield....

No 1

According to the flag of "Springfield state", it indicates that Springfield's state ("North Takoma") is in the south of the USA, because it has the confederate flag in it.

No 2

The name "North Takoma" is a sort of anagram of "Oklahoma".

I have to dispute number one, the flag shown in the one episode was being redesigned because "it has a confederate flag on it even though we're in a northern state" (paraphrasing). Really, I think Springfield's state, (lets just call it) 'North Tacoma' is a fictional state, meant to be a generic midwest and east coast state. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.226.56.215 (talk) 20:58, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

It is DEFINITELY in the Midwest near Iowa or South Dakota

In Marge vs. the Monorail, Lyle Lanley shows Town Hall a map where he built monorails, which includes the fictional town of North Haverbrook, which appears to be located in the Midwest, likely Iowa or South Dakota. Marge later drives to this place to check out the effects of the monorail there, which may suggest to some that Springfield is in the area of the country as North Haverbrook, as driving to the other Monorail locations, Ogdenville, which appears to be in Arizona, or Brockway, which appears to be in South Carolina, would be infeasible in such a short period of time in which events in the episode take place. This takes into account that the Simpsons are not Southern, nor is the climate of Springfield similar to Arizona.Tallicfan20 (talk) 02:44, 19 October 2008 (UTC)

Oh I'll love the day when people just deal with, and accept that fact that Springfield is in no real state!!! CTJF83Talk 03:49, 19 October 2008 (UTC)

except when there is an actual MAP that shows where North Haverbrook is, and thus the region in which is Springfield. The creators probably thought we were dumb, and at least I'm not.Tallicfan20 (talk) 06:54, 19 October 2008 (UTC)

You need to realize that the Simpsons, along with many other cartoons, do one time jokes, which are there for joke purposes, and are "noncanon" meaning they don't follow the normal flow of the show, such as Bart's "twin" Hugo. All Treehouse of Horror episodes are noncanon. Also, just because Marge drove to North Haverbrook, does not mean it is anywhere near Springfield. You assuming it is, is called Original Research or OR, which is also not acceptable to have. Oh, by the way, when was the last time you heard of a hurricane hitting Iowa, South Dakota, or any where in the midwest, as one hit Springfield in "Hurricane Neddy". There is too many conflicting weather events alone in the Simpsons to put it in any state CTJF83Talk 07:07, 19 October 2008 (UTC)

• I agree with Ctjf83 on this. The show constantly contradicts itself on this subject. In Simpson Tide Springfield is right on the west coast. In Lisa the Tree Hugger, Lisa can see the Statue of Liberty from the top of a tree. The writers put Springfield where ever they want for either part of the story or part of a joke. This will only be worth including in the article if it's the subject of commentary by a reliable source. The research based on clues from the episodes is not fit for the article. Bill ^{(talk|contribs)} 15:26, 19 October 2008 (UTC)

• Yeah, just look at The Simpsons Movie.

  Look at that, you can see the four states that border Springfield: Ohio, Nevada, Maine, and Kentucky!

  — Ned Flanders, The Simpsons Movie

  C Teng ^[talk] 04:56, 5 November 2008 (UTC)

Kentucky!!!!!!!!!!

The Simpsons live in kentucky!!!! In one epesode, it says "for this northern kentucky family" (Noting, there is a springfield in north kentucky, and a shelbyville) and in another, mr berns says something about our closest neighbour". Homer replies "what, tennessee?" (Tennessee is right below kentucky).

--Luke Farrelly-Spain (talk) 21:12, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

I wish people would stop discussing this!! Why don't you look up higher on this page, and in the talk archives!!!! CTJF83Talk 21:35, 4 November 2008 (UTC)