Talk:Sofia Carson/Archive 1

Archive 1

Age

Carson doesn't seem to want her age known as her birthdate is not shown in the normal places. We must honor that per WP:BLPPRIVACY, thus the birth year estimate. The only indication of age is in existing article references is The Wrap that said she was attending university in 2014 which generally means she was between 18 and 23 at the time of that article or 19 to 24 now. Birth year estimate of 1993 puts her in that range. Geraldo Perez (talk) 14:34, 4 August 2015 (UTC)

She's 26 years old. She's turning 27 this year Dovecameron 24 (talk) 19:56, 15 February 2020 (UTC)

Colombian descent

This http://www.latinpost.com/articles/63933/20150703/disney-descendants-kids-of-disneys-most-infamous-villains-colombian-american-actress-sofia-carson.htm explicitly states she is of Columbian descent. The publication, Latin Post, considers the country important enough to distinguish and there is no reason for this article to generalize info when we have well-referenced specific information. Geraldo Perez (talk) 15:54, 14 August 2015 (UTC)

What's Columbian descent? Colombians are diverse genius, and in the source it says her family are related to Alejandro Char Chaljub son of Fuad Char. Fuad Char and his son Alejandro Char Chaljub are of Syrian descent. There are many people of arab descent in Colombia, specifically Syrian and Lebanese, and I think it should mention her Arab ancestry.Representide (talk) 18:15, 25 August 2016 (UTC)

Colombian descent means that her family comes from Colombia, a country with its own history and culture. Both of her parents and three of her four grandparents (as far as I can tell – her maternal grandmother being a US citizen) were born and raised there, and I would imagine that that has shaped her much more than the place of birth/heritage of one or two of her great-grandparents. Why should the article mention her Arab ancestry? I’m not opposed to it, but I don't know that it needs to be highlighted, and certainly not more than her Colombian heritage. On a side note, I still don't understand why this article doesn't link to her notable relatives (Fuad Char, Arturo Char Chaljub, Alejandro Char Chaljub, and David Char Navas), as is fairly standard on biography articles. -- Irn (talk) 18:47, 25 August 2016 (UTC)

I apologize for the misspelling of a nationality here and in other places. I am used to other locations with similar sounding names and that is what my fingers automatically type. I think ancestry identity going back beyond grandparents is pointless as influence of 2 of her 8 great-grandparents is too defuse to impact her. Colombian descent is meaningful. As for linking to notable relatives it is an editorial choice as to whether on not it improve our understanding of the article's subject. The current mention "Carson is related to the Char family of Colombian politicians" seems sufficient to me, more detail seems unnecessary. People don't achieve notability through relationships to others so mention of specifics to notable relatives, beyond close family members seems excessive to me. Geraldo Perez (talk) 19:29, 25 August 2016 (UTC)

Nationality in lead

Her parents were Columbian nationals and she may have inherited Columbian nationality from her parents if Columbian nationality law permits this and she has done whatever is necessary to claim it as generally this is not automatic. She is definitely American as born in Florida. Also per WP:OPENPARA the nationality that goes in the lead intro is where the person achieved notability so either way "American" is what goes there. Geraldo Perez (talk) 17:00, 31 August 2015 (UTC)

I had thought that it was automatic, but you're right, she would have to register. I don't know if she has, but, either way, I doubt we'll find a source for that. [1] -- Irn (talk) 17:29, 31 August 2015 (UTC)

Sofia Carson and privacy

IP editor 99.159.58.189 wrote "Artist prefers to be known by her artistic name. It's her wish supported by the Privacy rules of Wikipedia organization." as an edit summary to justify removal of well-referenced bio info, and its supporting reference, from the article. If it is Carson's personal wish to not have that personal info in the article she, herself, will need to contact the wiki foundation and make the case for removal. Policy as reflected in article WP:BLPPRIVACY permits inclusion in articles of private info "Wikipedia includes full names and dates of birth that have been widely published by reliable sources, or by sources linked to the subject such that it may reasonably be inferred that the subject does not object." and the reference for the info added presumptively meets that requirement. Geraldo Perez (talk) 15:11, 1 September 2015 (UTC)

Early Life

The Early Life information of her bio was sourced from a foreign social gossip magazine and a gossip section of a foreign local newspaper. This information is irrelevant, doesn't provide any info related to her career development and it's totally gossip oriented not biographical oriented, affecting the credibility of Wikipedia. For early life information, they are very credible and respected sources as Miami Herald and Sun Sentinel. both article include accurate information on her upbringing and career development. Please remove gossip related information and focus in her and her career. As you undo all my edits, I am copying the links for your revision and consideration. Thank you very much.

• http://www.sun-sentinel.com/features/fl-sofia-carson-20150729-story.html
• http://www.miamiherald.com/entertainment/celebrities/article29585935.html

— Preceding unsigned comment added by EditorRHM (talk • contribs) 21:18, September 1, 2015‎ (UTC)

El Heraldo and El Tiempo are two of the most respected newspapers in Colombia; El Tiempo is national and El Heraldo regional, neither is local. Just because they're "foreign" to you doesn't mean we should exclude them. Jetset does focus on celebrities and the wealthy and might not be the most reliable source, but it has editorial oversight and is published by Semana, so I wouldn't be so quick to dismiss it. But beyond that, are you disputing the information? Do you think it's contentious? What's wrong with including this information? Her mother was the Barranquilla carnival queen, and she is Fuad Char's niece and, therefore, Alex and Arturo's cousin; all of that is public information, not a secret or a scandal or contentious in any way. Why not include it? And Carson's familial relations are, in fact, relevant to the biography considering that this is an article about her, not just her professional career. -- Irn (talk) 01:59, 2 September 2015 (UTC)

I tend to defer to Irn's judgment on the reliability of the sources he provided because of the above statement. The early life section of any complete and well-written bio article requires birth and parentage info, if well-sourced and available, as it appears to be here. This article is about Carson as a person, not just her career. However, significant info about other people beyond how it impacts Carson may be excessive as this article is about Carson, not other people. Geraldo Perez (talk) 15:50, 2 September 2015 (UTC)

EditorRHM has stopped participating in this discussion and has simply edit-warred to their preferred version. How ought we proceed? -- Irn (talk) 01:08, 5 September 2015 (UTC)

The info removed here is mostly background identifying info about her parents and some other related people. Interesting to know but not strictly necessary for a bio about Carson as it does talk about other people. As it stands the article does identify her parents and country they came from. Maybe not ideal but probably good enough. Geraldo Perez (talk) 01:33, 5 September 2015 (UTC)

Sofia has revealed that she attended In Motion Dance in Miami, the official dance team being called IMPAC Youth Ensemble, in an Instagram post. She has attended their events and often likes their pictures on multiple social media platforms. She has worked with teachers like Marie Louis Gaschler and Renee Rich. She also has said in a statement via Instagram that she is particularly student named Paloma H., however she hasn't revealed much information for her safety. All we know is that she is a dance at the studio and she is approximately ten years younger! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.71.36.25 (talk) 22:32, September 6, 2017‎ (UTC)

It's looks like the above was just removed from the article. I have no opinion on whether that removal was correct or not – just clarifying what the above message is. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 22:50, 6 September 2017 (UTC)

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Ways to Be Wicked

"Ways to Be Wicked" is technically a single not an "Other Charted Song." DatBoy101 (talk) 00:26, 8 August 2017 (UTC)