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Name

Not once have I heard where they got their name from. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.230.80.214 (talk) 10:16, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

Well they most likely take it from the slip knot. Zouavman Le Zouave 16:26, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

Thrash Metal/Metalcore

hey i added thrash metal & metalcore to the genre list but someone deleted it. Guys i[or we] need support on this i thought you guyz would fight for it. COME ON User:Megastrike14

PEOPLE GO EASY ON ME. DON'T BOMBARD ME WITH CRITICSMS IM ONLY EXPRESSING MY OPINION But Slipknot (to me) are to serious of a band to be Nu Metal, their Rapcore stuff is in the past now, their musics quite thrashy and heavy, their lyrics have dark subjects, are insulting, serious and very loud and screamish so does anyone think they sound more like a thrash metal/Metalcore band rather than a Nu Metal/Rapcore band coz Limp Bizkit is Nu Metal/ Rapcore and Slipknot sound much better and don't sound anything like them, however Killswitch Engage, Metalcore band sound quite similar to these guy's don't u think. PLEASE EXPRESS UR OPINIONS. I WOULD LIKE TO HEAR THEM TO POST SOMETHIN PERMANENT ON THE ARTICLE PAGE ABOUT THRASH METAL/METALCORE- User talk AHVAZI

The guitarr riffs is NOT uncomplicated, the introducions of songs like disasterpiece,eeyore,before i forget and blister exists is incredibly hard to play. But the fact they got a dj is from the time they actually were true nu-metal. But they are no more, they could not do like this: sorry sid we are no longer nu-metal, you have to leave us now bye bye. In fact, i don't belive that one of the 50 most brutal metal bands should be nu-metal. In interviews Paul gray and Corey have even said they HATE nu-metal.

While Slipknot is definitely practicing elements of thrash and metalcore I'd definitely say they're nu-metal (DJ + turntables, only the occasional guitar solo, bass-heavy, uncomplicated guitar riffs, the fact they cite Korn and Limp Bizkit as their inspiration). Why are you guys so horrified by the nu metal tag? They're still heavy as fuck.

Finally, somebody who agrees with me that Thrash-Metal should be added to their genre! Ahvazi, feel free to talk to me, dude. Dark Executioner 00:07, 6 August 2007 (UTC)Dark Executioner

Hey Dark Executioner, I totally agree with you on Trash Metal, but wats ur opinion on Metalcore. i personaly think they sound like Metalcore more than anything else. They dont sound like Nu Metal at all.- User:Ahvazi

i think nu-core is more accurate. they're old stuff was real metalcore, but their new stuff isn't metalcore, simply cuz there's no more growling. 76.182.87.230 17:44, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

I don't think their is such thing as nu-core by the way. No one i knows ever heard of the genre. I tink its made up. But i totally agree that their old stuff was quite Metalcore. But Before I Forget is Metalcore as well so i dont think their metalcore days are over just yet. But im not saying their next album will all be Metalcore either. Dya get me!?! But i definitly tink dey are Metalcore/Thrash Metal more than anything else. Dark Executioner, as soon as i find reliable sources saying they are Thrash Metal and Metalcore i will add the genres to the genre list on de main page. Wil u support me on dis man?- User: Ahvazi.

how the heck is before i forget metalcore? he doesn't even scream, unless you count the "I" part. if you listen, he's simply doing some rhythmic vocals, not quite rapping, but definately not yelling or growling either. 76.182.87.230 21:00, 10 August 2007 (UTC)

You don't *HAVE* to scream to be metalcore. The music to that song is very reminiscent of metalcore. If you listen to bands like Killswitch Engage and Bullet for My Valentine, who definitely fall under the metalcore category, both have done metalcore songs before which didn't contain screaming. So, for that matter, have Avenged Sevenfold (I Won't See You Tonight Part 1). James25402 23:18, 25 August 2007 (UTC)

Nah, they're not metalcore. Bands like Shadows Fall or Sepultura on Dante XXI... Now that's metalcore. Haven't been on this talk page in a while. Dark Executioner 14:58, 5 September 2007 (UTC)Dark Executioner

listen to people=shit, then come back, and say they're not metalcore. they are. and btw, bullet for my valentine is just barely metalcore, not true metalcore. and with killswitch engage, if you think you don't have to scream/growl to be metalcore, then all you've heard is "the arms of sorrow", which is one of their worst songs by far. Itachi1452 02:38, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

AHVAZI and Dark executioner talk with me aswell coz yes Thrash needs to be added Rakarno. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 58.161.89.80 (talk) 05:38, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

you realy think that thrash should be added? god! you haven't heard slayer, kreator, exodus, exorsist or some stuff from iced earth? THOSE are thrash metal, now, i recomend you that here some of their stuff and comprare with slipknot, btw, if you think that is death metal you're the pittiest creature I've ever known.

I'm NOT saying slipknot ain't a good band (slipknot it's actualy my favourite, i'm a maggot from heart) but I'm a dedicated metalhead, and I know how to difference when something is death metal and when something is... slikpknot (nu, alternative, rap... you name it) and slipknot is different --Sheish 6 Sheish 03:40, 27 September 2007 (UTC)

Metalcore should be defenitly added--Sheish 6 Sheish 03:41, 27 September 2007 (UTC)

Rap metal is hard to say, since they don't remind about limp bizkit/linkin park at all. But slipknot is though a lot heavier than many death metal bands like dark tranquillity,in flames and so on. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.224.177.27 (talk) 09:02, 21 October 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, they do sound like thrash metal, but not metalcore. Metalcore has long guitar solos, bands like BFMV and Silent Civilian. I think we should add thrash metal and rapcore/rap metal. You are right, though. They sound nothing like nu metal. Thundermaster367 12:46, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

SLIPKNOT IS NU METAL- THEY ARE THE WORST METAL GROUP, THATS SAYS IT RIGHT THERE THAT THEY ARE NU METAL. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Novelty654 (talk • contribs) 14:22, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

Wait and Bleed Lyrics

I always see the lyrics to wait and bleed say "I've felt the hate rise up in me" As hard as I listen, I still hear "I felt the air assaulting me" This would also make sense since the song may be about a guy slitting his wrists. When the skin suffers a deep cut ie:slitting of the wrists, the air can irritate the wound. If feels like the air is assaulting you. -skamd12

hahahahha this is beacuse corey taylor barely pronounces the "h"... if you litsen in any of their slongs he prononces the "h" but you should chek out the lyrics, perhaps, by buying the album. Oh! and he sounds more like "I felt the ate rise up in me" =]Acurate Sheishop!!! Another fun thing is teh eyeless lyrics in the begining it sounds like ínside, money only mother fucker windowpane and the refrain: you get to california with a man, ponchosyde. But the end is like oh my god, it sounds like do me in my but now or something. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.224.178.77 (talk) 10:17, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

And what does this have to do with the Slipknot Wiki Article? Rawwwrr! (talk) 01:30, 21 November 2007 (UTC)

nu metal?

i got a question... why in vishnus hairy ass are slipknot mostly ranked as nu metal? They're so little no-metal they can become, sure the first album had a few songs that i should classify as nu-metal, but not much more. Nu-metalist never growl and absolutly raps a lot more wich corey quited with in the first album,whay is that about anyway?

I suggest stopping by the metal archives (or google Encyclopedia Metallum) for questions on why they class as numetal and not another genre. As said elsewhere, wikipedia is not a forum for discussion. If you can provide links to a reliable source or two, we may go on and change it. However, the chance of this seems slim since most sources do refer to them as numetal. -Motleh 05:14, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

How is WP:FORUM relevant here? It's a discussion on how to improve the article. 86.6.17.37 15:09, 18 September 2007 (UTC)

Bringing up WP:Forum is not relevant here, I agree. Calling Slipknot simply a metal band is not fair, also see [1] for further info. 63.85.214.4 19:27, 18 September 2007 (UTC)

Death Metal

Since Wikipedia runs on "Credible sources" that includes the likes of MTV, even when the genre is so inherently fake that it's mindnumbing, you have to take all credible sources of information and put them to use.

Therefore, I, a fan of all things metal, hereby declare that Slipknot is Death Metal, and I have a source recognized as "credible".

http://youtube.com/watch?v=Di-zXitd8X0

Either Wikipedia rethinks its methods and instead goes by the standard definitions of things instead of taking some tabloid writers words for it, or you trust all "credible" sources even if you know that it's wrong.

Is Slipknot Death Metal? No. Is MTV used as a credible source? Yes. What does MTV say? They're Death Metal.

So even then, with the definition of Death Metal being overly clear, we must include Death Metal in their genre box. You can't say that we can't use the video because it wasn't posted by MTV, simply because they did make it, and they did say it. Doesn't matter where it's hosted.

Slipknot "is" Death Metal.

-Nonviolence 03:39, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

MTV are emo/rap loving faggots who dont know what the hell they are talking about. Slipknot is nu-metal. 24.139.30.154 02:58, 6 July 2007 (UTC)

There is no Wikipedia policy that states: because {statement} was made by a reliable source, it must be included. What the existing policy states is closer to: for {statement} to be included it must be from a reliable source. Since both possible listings are cited, we as editors have a choice: we can list the current set of genres from AMG, we can list the genre from the MTV piece, or we can list the genres from both. Since you think that the Death Metal listing would be asinine, it is apparent to me that of the two you would pick AMG's listing. Now I could explain why the information from your source is dubious, but I see a bigger problem with your goal here than a dubious source or an unqualified reporter. Stating that you outright believe something to be false, yet try to include it here, along with your repeated statements about policy, leads me to believe that you are not concerned with improving the article, but rather causing a disruption to prove a point about policy. If your problem is indeed with policy, discuss on the relevant policy pages, not here. --Wildnox(talk) 07:44, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

I provided evidence that such is true, therefore any point I tried to make is null. Let me say this: Slipknot is as close to "heavy metal" (orchestral vocals, tons of solos, etc.) as they are death metal.-Nonviolence 21:25, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

Then add it to the list of genres you agree with it. Do nothing if you don't. You're not going to manage to use this, or any other article, as a venue to bend policy to further your own opinion. I will not enter into an argument of policy with you, since it is apparent that all you are trying to do is find a way to circumvent WP:V and WP:RS to, as I stated earlier, further your own opinion both here and on another Wikipedia article. Don't act as if you aren't doing this to prove your point about policy, since it is all too obvious and a violation of WP:POINT. --Wildnox(talk) 22:18, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

Out of curiosity, is your point that MTV doesn't/shouldn't qualify as a reliable source?--Wildnox(talk) 01:51, 1 June 2007 (UTC)

i don't think slipknot are death metal cos they don't growl they just shout and scream. i think they are nu metal/alternative metal 88.97.6.98

they do growl

the only one that growls is Mr Picklenose and he only growl alive not in their albums Hey! Sheishop!!!

guys, Chris Fehn does not grow, it's Corey Taylor. And second of all, two of my friends think they are death metal and I agree with them. they are death metal! DEAL WITH IT! Lpfan4eva1990 01:22, 17 August 2007 (UTC)

Ok so it means that you haven't heard a shit of death metal in your entire life, I'm a maggot myself but death metal is FAR TOO HEAVY for slipknot to bee considered as

Havent you heard the song The Nameless alive? watch the video and then you tell me who's growling, and sheck out please Morbid Angel, Necrophagia, Necrophobia and Job for a Cowboy new shit and tell me if you can consider this as death metal (you can't say they're black metal or grindcore, if you do, please sheck some true black metal (Bathory, Venom, Dimmu Borgir, Satyricon) and grindcore(Napalm Death (old stuff), Phobia, Nasum, Circle of Death Children) YES!!! I'm a fan of Slipknot and I must say If they ever change to death metal I would stop litsening to their shit cos they would stop making their signature noise) --Sheish 6 Sheish 02:39, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

Seriously lol. I am a dedicated metal head from Australia a dying breed here in Melbourne. I can tell you Slipknot is almost as death as linkin park is grind, which is 0% mate. I can put many examples of it like no growel from what i can remeber no blast beats, Lyrics are not death but i havnet listened to them for ages so I can be wrong. Also check metal archives there not in there therefore according to MANY peole they are not even metal or are more influenced by too many genres so there to rappy for the archives.

Also look at the lyrics:Before I Forget

Stapled shut, inside an outside world and I'm Sealed in tight, bizarre but right at home Claustrophobic, closing in and I'm Catastrophic, not again

Comapre this to Impaled we belong dead:

Innocent bystanders are subjected to the horror Our gruesome displays give rise to a furor Bodies were piled and defiantly defiled Up to our knees in blood, sweat, and bile For the means to achieve our deviant needs The guilty should die and the innocent blee

Thx 4 the laugh more to come later if you ask --User:Padaz 02:39, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

hahahaha yeah I know, but that was harsh, I think slipknot has more of death than linkin shits with grindcore, I mean, linkin shit is more pop than brritney spears, grindcore is the heaviest shit I know, and slipknot is at least heavy

Now, how can people that don't know about metal could say if slipknot is or not metal? I mean, they're heavy enough, if you dont consider them as metal you can't consider Iron Maiden as metal, therefor you're not quite a goood metalhead... whatever, I still in the same shit SLIPKNOT is NOT death metal--Sheish 6 Sheish 17:44, 26 August 2007 (UTC)

TO BE HONEST, who gives a shit? They're metal, ok? I don't care if it's nu-metal, death metal, or whatever. It really doesnt matter. User:CLYRENTERNAL 19:29, 16 Oct 2007 (UTC)

Thrash Metal

Shouldn't Slipknot be at least partially classified as thrash metal? On Vol. 3, you can hear the thrash influences on such tracks as "The Blister Exists" and "Before I Forget." They credited Slayer as a strong influence on that album. Moreover, they have stated that they would like to expand upon thrash metal riffing on their upcoming 4th album. Dark Executioner 15:10, 1 June 2007 (UTC)Dark Executioner

Regardless of any thrash inspired riffing, they're not thrash metal. The rapping vocals, DJ scratches, (mostly) lacking solos, as well as a different song structure completely deny them the chance of being thrash. -Nonviolence 12:58, 3 June 2007 (UTC)

That could all change with their 4th studio album, Nonviolence.URFG 23:06, 3 June 2007 (UTC)URFG

Could, but won't most likely. You don't just change your sound all of a sudden unless you're Metallica. -Nonviolence 23:08, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

I'm just throwing in my 2 cents, but do either of you(URFG or Dark Ex) actually have a source calling the band Thrash Metal? --Wildnox(talk) 23:12, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

They're not thrash-metal yet, though they have influences of that on Vol.3. Check www.slipknot1.com, and I'm pretty sure that you'll find the interview w/ Taylor, Crahan and Root stating that Slipknot's 4th opus will be at least partially thrash-metal. Dark Executioner 18:46, 10 June 2007 (UTC)Dark Executioner

Vol 3 doesn't have any rapping vocals does it?62.255.33.221 20:19, 17 June 2007 (UTC)

no User:Rakarno

But they use alot of synthetisers or that shit... however is spelled

they dont use synthisizers yes, Chris, Shawn, n Corey all growl, mostly roar n sometimes scream Rakarno.

They change their sound a lot. Compare these:

Before I Forget Left Behind Spit It Out Wait And Bleed

And Metallica are great. So bugger off you dumbass. Thundermaster367 12:49, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

Injuries section

I'd suggest to delete this section. First because it's a long section, second because it's manly useless for the comprehension of the article. There might be a line about their performances, but we don't probably need a "fan site" section here. I would remove this myself, but it's quite a big section, so I though it would be better to bring this to talk. män-et-arms 00:47, 16 June 2007 (UTC)

I agree with the idea of deletion. The section seems like extraneous fan cruft. In the grand scheme of things, none of the injuries seem significant. Also, it's almost an exact copypaste from a fansite listed as a source. I'm actually going to delete the section myself. --Wildnox(talk) 01:12, 16 June 2007 (UTC)

thank you, boy =)män-et-arms 01:17, 16 June 2007 (UTC)

Actually, I thought the injuries section was pretty cool. Sure it was useless because it lead to a different page via link, but I seriously would have never known about those injuries (even though few with the exception of Shawn a.k.a Clown). You can go ahead and delete it. I just thought I'd throw in that the injuries section was not completely useless. Blind_Heretic666 12:04, 5 October 2007

Yeah, I have to agree with Blind_Heretic666 it may not be useful or relevant information but I found it interesting & besides I wouldnt call it a long section, unless you mean the external link, which is irrelevant because it only takes up like two lines of the wikipedia article & people would only go to the external link if they want to see it. If somebody wants to know about slipknots injuries should we make it harder to find by removing the link of slipknots wikipedia article? Fukhed666 00:49, 7 October 2007 (UTC)

Yeah we could remove the link which would make it harder for the reader to find the link, but I don't think that would be much of a good thing. If we make it harder for the viewer to find the link or information, then they would probably lose interest. Instead, I suggest that we actually type out and make an actual artical about their injuries, thereby expanding the artical and making it much less useless and much more presesnting and informative...or would that be to much of a hassle? Blind_Heretic666 08:32, 8 October 2007 (UTC)

If we made a new ARTICLE, it would just get merged by another user. Thundermaster367 12:51, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

What do you mean by merged? Blind_Heretic666 8:49, 15 November 2007 {UTC} —Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.188.179.33 (talk)

Well you said article. Obviously you mean section. Personally, adding a new section is an excellent idea, as it's really interesting to read. ''I Am The Master Of All Thunder'' (talk) 12:01, 21 November 2007 (UTC)

Vocal Style

"Their early work hosted a large range of vocal styles, ranging from rapping to grindcore-esque growling. In more recent work, this vocal style remains present, but has expanded to include melodic singing and guitar riffs. "

OK, first of all guitar riffs are NOT a vocal style. And also, they've always had singing, since Mate.Feed.Kill.Repeat (see "Killers are Quiet"), and if it only refers to since Corey was vocalist (don't see why it should) then listen to say, Wait and Bleed or No Kind of Life, from the self-titled album, notice how both songs feature melodic vocals. 62.255.33.221 20:19, 17 June 2007 (UTC)

Nu Metal

Okay. I think this should be taken out of the genre list. First, anyone who listens to SlipKnoT, knows they aren't Nu-Metal. Limp Bizkit, KorN, are Nu-Metal. They don't sound anything like them. So, to satisfies us maggots, take this out. it's not creidible, and makes slipknot look like n00bs.

Crinkham 05:00, 19 June 2007 (UTC) Crinkham

There are many sources that back up that Slipknot are a nu-metal band – what is written in our articles is defined by verifiable and reliable sources and not by popular demand, or what fans think. (spebi · talk) 10:33, 30 June 2007 (UTC)

well thats what the articles say but it aint the truth

As said by Spebi before, it's not your opinion that changes something. Verifiable and reliable sources are what can change information here. -Motleh 05:23, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

Slipknot have always been Metal User:rakarno —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 58.161.91.125 (talk • contribs).

Metal is slang for Heavy Metal. I assume you're going by what the band says because they've called themselves "metal-metal" and said "like Slayer", which means not only do they not take into account subgenres of "metal", but they expect you to do the same. Pardon me if I seem judgmental, but "metal" is subjective. It can mean anything. I refer to Death Metal bands like Bolt Thrower as "metal", but they're not classed as "metal". "Metal" indicates anything under Heavy Metal. Numetal, by definition, is classed as "metal" even though (in my opinion) it doesn't sound it. Despite this long refutation of what you say, Wikipedia is not a forum. -Motleh 05:23, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

How is WP:FORUM relevant here? It's a discussion on how to improve the article. ≈ Maurauth ^(Ravenor) 15:14, 18 September 2007 (UTC)

Heavy metal (sometimes referred to simply as metal) is a genre of music that developed in the late 1960s and early 1970s

you have Heavy metal/ metal bands. sub genres of Metal nu metal bands Thrash metal bands Death metal bands Black metal gothic metal alternative metal math metal glam metal hair metal industrial metal.

their all sub genres, i may of left some out, but thats most of the list.

a post above, that is fact, there is a difference in Slipknot to Korn n Limp bizkit, and don't rely what you read in interviews, some of what is put is fake. Listen to all of Slipknots albums, then Korn then Limp bizkit and you'll realise Slipknot is Metal.

im done with these debates n all crap jus enjoy the music they make what i said is truth user:rakarno

I agree with rakarno. they are NOT nu metal. they are alternative metal and death metal in my opinion. I know my name says lpfan4eva1990 but i was a huge lp fan when i made this account. but now i'm a maggot. so yeah i am a hardcore slipknot fan now! MAGGOTS AND SLIPKNOT FOREVER! Lpfan4eva1990 01:25, 17 August 2007 (UTC)

Slipknot are nu metal, compare them to KorN. Besideswe have sources that they are nu metal and we have to use what we have sources for. Also, sign your posts.

Also note that there is no such thing as math metal and glam metal is hair metal. Anyway, why would you make a list of metal genres? It's pointless. ''I Am The Master Of All Thunder'' (talk) 12:08, 21 November 2007 (UTC)

Vandalism

There is a bit of vandalism on this page, but I can't access it to change it; it is invisible in the edit article page ^Talk User:Fissionfox 01:35, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

Where is it? --Wildnox(talk) 01:39, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

Not sure about vandalism but... The "Reformation and New Album" section should be kept separated from the Vol 3. and Hiatus chapter because it's a new chapter for the band. For example, you wouldn't include God Hates Us All info in the Christ Illusion section of the Slayer page, would you? Keep info in its respective place, please. Dark Executioner 20:05, 26 June 2007 (UTC)Dark Executioner

Alternative Metal?

Alternative Metal? Slipknot is not alternative metal. SoaD is alternative metal. Not slipknot.Mezmerizer 01:39, 12 July 2007 (UTC)User:Mezmerizer:Mezmerizer

Yet again, it's not our opinion that matters. Sources say Slipknot is Alternative Metal and we have to go with that. FYI: Alternative Metal refers to anything that can't be classed into normal heavy metal subgenres, excluded from such are numetal, funk metal, etc. -Motleh 05:26, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

Slipknot is alternative metal Lpfan4eva1990 01:27, 17 August 2007 (UTC)

why has alternative metal been removed? sorces say there alt metal,they mix lots of diferent types of metal together and have some unconventional sounds on there songs. altenative metal is probably the best way to describe slipknots music.82.20.137.138 —Preceding signed but undated comment was added at 13:22, 13 October 2007 (UTC)

Alternative metal also covers nu metal, which they are. I will add it soon. Thundermaster367 12:54, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

Feuds

Who the fuck said that Green Day is Punk Rock???

Why is this on a Slipknot talk page?

• User 1: Green Day is commonly classed as Punk Rock and Pop Punk, so someone went with the former I suppose.
• User 2: The feuds section involves Green Day.

Also: Sign comments guys. -Motleh 17:58, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

This load of crap has no relation to Slipknot does it. Thundermaster367 12:55, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

Reverted

I reverted the article to a July 13th revision, due to someone taking out the genre numetal and leaving the links. Remember, before removing any information check to see if it has a reliable source... Which numetal does. Otherwise, carry on! -Motleh 21:47, 15 July 2007 (UTC)

slipknot ep

there a ep that was relised before Corey Taylor joined slipknot call slipknot joined the band track list is

• let it show
• help you think
• condemned
• world leader
• hate in bule
• no.9

its avealaby from Itunes i cant find much info on it tho http://phobos.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewAlbum?id=252733101&s=143444

That is not the same Slipknot! That EP was released in 1989 and is from a totally different band. [2] (Rezter 11:09, 26 July 2007 (UTC))

The manson bit

In the collaborators section. Some smart ass put "Marilyn Manson - Sean McMahon & Joey Jordison remixed his/her hit "The Fight Song.""

1. Sign your post 2. Isn't Joey a drummer?

However, good point. Thundermaster367 12:56, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

Nu Metal

Okay. Even if most of you don't think of SlipKnoT as Nu Metal now, the fact of the matter is, that is how they became famous and that is what they will always be known is. I'm not bashing Slipknot, as a matter of fact, I am a fan. But the truth of the matter is Slipknot will always be reconized as a Nu Metal band. I honestly believe that the reason many of you wish to argue this is because you don't like the term Nu Metal being used to describe a band you like. Well, Slipknot is Nu Metal. I listen to Nu Metal. I'm actually proud of that fact. While they do not sound like Korn or Limp Bizkit, that makes them no less Nu Metal. Nu Metal comes from many different influences. Nu Metal isn't always an insult. I bet if you look, you can even find sources of them calling themselves Nu Metal. Iamanadam 16:41, 29 July 2007 (UTC)

I actually heard that corey taylor and slipknot were also influenced by drum n bass music. Technically i dont think their nu metal. But generally, yes there nu metal. This is shown by the down tuned setup and the dj and sampler. Portillo 00:46, 30 July 2007 (UTC)

I'm not sure about Corey Taylor personally, but it's clear that Sid brings elements of Drum and Bass & Jungle. I feel the argument of genres is always pointless, as personally I think they are based quite heavily on opinion. I think they have been group in to this genre as they were around about the time this genre was becoming big and they didn't exactly fit in to a genre, Nu Metal isn't hardly a strict genre either. (Rezter 05:30, 30 July 2007 (UTC))

Good article nomination

You've recently nominated Slipknot as a good article, but I don't think that in its current state, it stands much of a chance. I'm not going to pass or fail it or anything, but there are some changes you definitely need to make. You can see the changes I've made to it, which are mainly just quick fixes. However, you have a few other issues to address.

1. The injuries section is straight up WP:TRIVIA, which will probably get you nowhere. I saw a raw external link somewhere, which is most of the time a no-no.
2. The bolding of the collaborators goes against Wikipedia style.
3. Look at references 26 and 27.
4. Any references to websites should be done using {{citeweb}} templates, which I can see isn't consistent.

A dick of a reviewer might quick-fail the article on these points, but I'm just going to bring them to your attention so you stand a chance. If you don't address them though, this article will fail. Seegoon 12:28, 5 August 2007 (UTC)

The lead-in can also be expanded to at least two paragraphs. Spellcast 00:34, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

grindcore?

who the hel thinks that slipknot is grindcore? they don't even have a source I'm gonna delete this from the genere box

I deleted it seconds ago. It was probably just a user testing out the system, or just changing it for fun, probably not serious. I wouldn't worry about it. :) -Motley ^{a b c qu} 19:06, 10 August 2007 (UTC)

Grindcore??? WTF??? Thundermaster367 12:53, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

Well, the band that Joey was in as a teenager was a grindcore band called Anal Blast. If you listen to the way he plays the double-bass in Slipknot, it sounds a lot like grindcore drumming. But calling the entire band grindcore is wrong, they never were and aren't ever going to be. Dark Executioner (talk) 15:49, 28 November 2007 (UTC)Dark Executioner

Dark Executioner, what you call "grindcore drumming" is used in myriads of other rock genres (not necessarily metal). Why don't we simply accept that they are nu metal and avoid those sterile discussions? Zouavman Le Zouave 15:59, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

Failed GA Nomination

I have to fail this article on several points. Firstly it fails WP:QFC #3, in particular the dispute with Mushroomhead is portrayed in the article as very significant yet is almost entirely unsourced.

The bands image and performance seem to be almost as important as their musical output, but this doesn't get a mention in the lead-in and in my opinion because of the way the article is constructed, the style, feuds, images and identities sub-sections, despite being a vital part of the bands persona read as borderline WP:TRIVIA. The Collaborators section even more so. It might be an idea to look at how a similar featured article like AC/DC is constructed and develop and rearrange this article on a similar basis. There is some great material here, but in my opinion it needs quite a bit of work to make WP:GA Mighty Antar 19:07, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

At the end of the Mushroomhead dispute section there is what seems to be a typo where it says 'pony "Clowns"'; shouldn't this word be phony?63.85.214.4 21:57, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

You're right. I'll fix that. Blind_Heretic666 8:53, 15 November 2007 {UTC} —Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.188.179.33 (talk)

Why are they labeled as metal?

Just because MTV and some sources such as All Music Guide claim that they're metal, doesn't mean it's true. They certainly aren't lacking metal elements, but they aren't even close to being metal. Nu-metal/alternative metal, yes, but those are fusion genres, they're not actual sub-genres of metal. They are not heavy metal, death metal, or thrash metal. I think a basic understanding of what metal is would solve that.

do you understand what metal is?? they arnet labeled as metal.

MYV is shit, they cut parts of video clips because its "too" violent n other bullcrap all music guide claims theyre are nu metal

and they have elements of thrash, Slayer big influence for them with Vol 3, Iowa had Death metal influences. Slipknot are Metal

end of story no more debating what genre they are

have nu metal rap core what ever the hell genre on their genres

but understand and know this

they are and always have been Metal. Rakarno

They aren't metal. Nu-metal and alternate metal are fusion genres, not actual sub-genres. They have metal influences, but that does not make them a metal band. Of course they still aren't without certain aspects of metal. And yes, they do get labeled as metal quite often. Wrongly labeled. I don't get why people would call Slipknot death metal or thrash metal. They aren't, having influences of them isn't enough to make them qualify. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 24.107.225.143 (talk) 01:07, August 20, 2007 (UTC)

yes they are metal they arent label metal, they are label Nu metal all the time, which is wrong so dont say shit

what are you on, seriously, make them qualify?? dude, that is a load of bullshit they do qaulify because they are Metal. Rakarno. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 58.161.88.8 (talk) 05:48, August 20, 2007 (UTC)

Just listen to their music, it isn't metal, it's nu-metal. Many people would agree that they're not metal, because their music just has metal influences, that's about it. That's all I'm saying when I'm talking about how they don't qualify as metal. In order to be a heavy metal band, you must make heavy metal music. Which Slipknot doesn't. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by GrimReaper39614 (talk • contribs) 16:56, August 20, 2007 (UTC).

Heavy metal is a fusion of blues, hard rock and other influences. Does that mean heavy metal isn't really metal? I thought not. Anything with the word "metal" in it is metal, it's just ignorant metal elitists who can't admit that the genre has changed since the days of Zeppelin, Black Sabbath, etc. who claim that bands like Slipknot are not metal. In the broadest of senses, Slipknot comes under metal. If you walked into a music store and wanted a metalcore album, which section would it be under? The rock section (because everyone knows that punk is a form of rock music) or the metal section? That's right, it'd be under the metal section, just as Slipknot would be. Maybe Slipknot are not classic heavy metal, but when asking if Slipknot are simply "metal", even if they have stylistic influences from other genres, Slipknot are most definitely "metal". James25402 23:12, 25 August 2007 (UTC)

finally thanks James agree with you all they way what you said is true. Grim shut up, your talking alot of Bullshit

Rakarno. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 58.161.89.24 (talk) 12:50, August 26, 2007 (UTC)

Collaborators edited

Removed "Atreyu - Vocalist of Atreyu: Alex Varkatzas stars as a guest vocalist on the song Scissors." from the Collaborators section. There's no information of these "guest vocals" anywhere in the CD booklet of the "Slipknot" album. DreamsofTacos 17:10, 19 August 2007 (UTC)

Heavy Metal

I think this is useless, every band that plays metal plays heavy metal, I think the heavy metal label should rathe be used only on classic metal band rather than the others cos everyone knows that you can't play hardcore without punk, you can't play metal withour being heavy metal--Sheish 6 Sheish 03:06, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

Right, heavy metal is a genre of music. Yet they have an entire genre listed as one of their main genres, not a sub-genre, then two fusion genres of metal (Alternative and nu-metal). We should remove heavy metal from the box, because the type of music they play is only alternative metal and nu-metal. Heavy metal is a broad genre of music. Nu-metal and alternative metal are just fusion genres, and that's what Slipknot is. It's technically wrong to call them heavy metal.

its not wrong at all its stupid saying they are alternative n nu metal, they aint neither

they are Metal Slipknot are metal. They fuse together nu, thrash, death, grindcore, and metalcore to create the trademark Slipknot sound. They have no particular genre or subgrnre of metal —Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.105.100.12 (talk) 11:11, August 24, 2007 (UTC)

Rakarno. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 58.161.90.153 (talk) 09:16, August 23, 2007 (UTC)

Just saying "they aint either" isn't going to really back up your argument... —The preceding unsigned comment was added by GrimReaper39614 (talk • contribs) 23:14, August 23, 2007 (UTC).

Which makes them part of a fusion genre. Fusion genres aren't sub-genres. So that still doesn't make them metal, like Nu-metal and alternative metal aren't really metal. —Preceding unsigned comment added by GrimReaper39614 (talk • contribs) 21:08, August 24, 2007 (UTC)

No, alternative metal, funk metal, nu-metal, metalcore and whatever else you want to label as "not metal" ARE metal. They are fusion genres, yes, but they are still forms of metal. If you want to be technical, the heavy metal genre itself isn't really metal, because it fuses blues and hard rock music with heavier guitar riffs. All genres are fusions to a degree, so the metal elitists (and whoever else) who label all of these sub-genres as not true metal, well, true metal does not exist, because all metal is is a fusion of blues and hard rock with more distortion. However, all sub-genres, fusions, etc. of metal ARE metal.

Also, Slipknot fall under the bracket of heavy metal, but I don't see why it needs to be in the infobox (other than the fact it is cited), because clearly their sound can be categorised further. James25402 23:02, 25 August 2007 (UTC)

how bout we stop these genre debates im getting anoyed with it, n im sure you all are too Rakarno. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 58.161.89.24 (talk) 12:47, August 26, 2007 (UTC)

Since you all fail at understanding heavy metal, let me split it up for you.

• Death Metal: http://youtube.com/watch?v=Oey85FGHOHc
• Thrash Metal: http://youtube.com/watch?v=CUDWLp1yIWw
• Heavy Metal: http://youtube.com/watch?v=jRYDetbwegs

Also, you fail at the cores too.

• Grindcore: http://youtube.com/watch?v=_gqVVQ-q8Zs
• Metalcore: http://youtube.com/watch?v=UvKi7rHDjp0 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Motleh (talk • contribs) 00:47, August 27, 2007 (UTC)

-Motley ^{a b c qu} 00:44, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

All I'm gonna say is one more thing...does nu-metal not have "metal" in the name? I couldn't really care less what some heavy metal know-it-all thinks...every form of so-called "heavy metal" is derived from other forms of music, most notably hard rock and blues rock, so to say that nu-metal (funk/hip-hop or rapping + metal), funk-metal (funk + metal), alternative metal (alternative + metal) and metalcore (hardcore punk/hardcore + metal) are any less metal than heavy metal itself (blues rock + hard rock + distorted guitars) is ridiculous and is obviously only done because the sub-genres of metal I just listed were not one of the originals and heavy metal elitists don't like it, but...metal has CHANGED.

Go to a metal section in a store and Slipknot will be there...why? Because they are heavy metal. Heavy metal is not their particular sub-genre, but they come under heavy metal. End of. James25402 13:07, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

nahh thats just for fags that don't like the real people that know about music when they say "your music ain't what they're saying" they just can answer "metal (or punk in my case) has changed". But even if I dislike nu metal as much as many... I like slipknot a lot (its my favourite band) and I would say that slipknot is the one of the few nu metal band that CAN be labeled as metal without being wrong (along with chimaira and machine head in its nu metal days).

And yeah, they had used death metal and thrash as a influence that doesn't mean they really play those generes, you're right mr(s) Motleh =P and behemoth kick ass!!! but Kerry king is way better than the guitarrist from behemoth (what was his name?)--Sheish 6 Sheish 23:35, 28 August 2007 (UTC)

OK, this whole thing about nu-metal and alt metal being real metal is getting way off topic here, and should continue to be discussed on a page dealing with that genre of music.

Reguardless, if nu-metal and alt metal is on the genre list, it's still useless to have heavy metal listed there as well according to those who think Slipknot is a heavy metal band. It's just like putting under Led Zeppelin's genre category "Rock, hard rock, blues rock." Just putting "rock" there is being redundant. Same should apply to Slipknot in this case.

And bands such as Bon Jovi, Poison, Europe, Cinderella, and Warrant were part of the "glam metal" scene, yet just because their genre has the word metal in it, doesn't mean they're metal, does it? Same could be said about nu-metal. And that's all that needs to be discussed about it here. —Preceding unsigned comment added by GrimReaper39614 (talk • contribs) 21:42, August 29, 2007 (UTC)

Yeah! that was exsactly my point!!! except for the part that slipknot ain't no fucking metal... but you got the point. Now I think slipknot is NO WAY wrong to be labeled as real metal, bands like korn, linkin park, limp bisquet and other shit like that is when I agree to say that they ain't no fucking metal, when I was younger, and I liked those bands I didn't even consider them as metal, I just didn't find them the feeling, except for slipknot...

but who gives a fuck? hahahahaa anyway, you get the point--Sheish 6 Sheish 01:46, 1 September 2007 (UTC)

Of course slipknot are metal. Maybe not the same as classical metal but its still metal. Even limp bizkit had elements of metal. Ask fred durst and he'll tell ya that there were some parts of bizkit that didnt seem like hip hop to him, they felt like metal. Im sure slipknot feel the same way if not more. Portillo 06:07, 6 September 2007 (UTC)

well said —Preceding unsigned comment added by 58.161.88.80 (talk) 07:02, 9 September 2007 (UTC)

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then again still with the same shit, if you play a subgenere of metal you play metal, i'm going to delete "metal" subgenere from the list, i think people can get when a band it's plaiyng nu metal and alternative metal that they play metal (unless they're metalheads thar hadn't heard slipknot and think they play the same shit as linkin park) --Sheish 6 Sheish 03:31, 21 September 2007 (UTC)

Mick Thompson link

In the links in the article as well as in the box that goes at the bottom of Slipknot-related articles, Mick Thompson and Mick Thomson redirect to "Slipknot_(band)". Is this some odd error or does he no longer have an article or what? ♠♥Evandré♦♣ 17:25, 10 September 2007 (UTC)

Mmm, I was looking for it to, considering all the other minor members of the band have articles, and Mick is guitarist I'm surprised there isn't an article. ≈ Maurauth ^(Ravenor) 15:15, 18 September 2007 (UTC)

image

i uploaded a new image i hope its an okay oneД narchistPig 03:37, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

Emo

Why do they say that Slipknot is Emo? It's DEFINITELY NOT!!! I know much more emos who hate Slipnot!!

• If someone thinks SLipknot are emo, they need to have their head examined with a shotgun. That said, this is not the place for such discussion. Jasca Ducato 19:48, 21 September 2007 (UTC)

WHAT THE FUCKING SHIT IS THIS?! (Genre)

"Slipknot's genre is highley deabated. They have been mainly cited as Rapcore, Thrash Metal, Alternative Metal, Nu Metal, Death Metal, Black Metal and Metalcore."

Other than the obvious spelling errors in HIGHLY and DEBATED, this isn't right at all. In fact, no where have I heard them solidly called "thrash", "death", or "black" metal. Ever. EVER. And metalcore? Haha, yeah right! Metalcore is shit like Atreyu and that All That Remains shit. Slipknot is numetal, alternative metal, and rap metal. They're not metalcore (which is just as shitty), black metal, death metal, or thrash metal.

In fact, they sound nothing like the following:

• http://youtube.com/watch?v=byRQYQS6yQM (Death Metal)
• http://youtube.com/watch?v=L-cHmkTr7i0 (Black Metal)
• http://youtube.com/watch?v=mWn-KRPCWiA (Thrash Metal)

AND FURTHERMORE:

• http://youtube.com/watch?v=UvKi7rHDjp0 (Metalcore)

How in the name of FUCK does Slipknot sound like ANY OF THAT AT ALL? Answer: they don't. This is just the work of some overzealous Slipknot fans wanting to break through the "Slipknot isn't metal" barrier that is all in their heads anyway. This has no reliable sources and is probably just the work of some punk who saw an AMG review use the word Grindcore (and FYI: elements of =/= being).

This is clearly in violation of WP:V, and should be removed at once. Simple enough. YES I'M MAD, WE'VE BEEN THROUGH THIS SHIT A HUNDRED TIMES AND YOU GUYS STILL DON'T GET IT!

Also: to those who did this... YOU ALL FUCKING SUCK!

That is all. --Motley ^{a b c qu} 07:17, 28 September 2007 (UTC)

I've never seen them referenced as black metal, and there's no way they could be since their lyrical content is so far from the black metal movement (i.e. anti-christian, paganistic, odalistic, etc.) and they have no similarities to bands existing in the genre besides "harsh vocals" and certain composition elements. --Notmyhandle 06:17, 29 September 2007 (UTC)

Not black metal, not death metal, not thrash metal. It's not because it's labeled such by some random guy (or even a random music critic, because nowadays, some of them don't know what they're talking about) that it necessarily belongs in the article. I like the way the infobox is right now, and I would like to congratulate the contributors for reaching such a neutral version. Zouavman Le Zouave 17:03, 30 September 2007 (UTC)

Fuck! chill man! =P

ok... they had never been labeled as black, but surely the ones that say slipknot is thrash is cos they're just a buch of assholes-posers-mallcore-metalheads and the ones that think slipknot is death... well... they're not smarter.

Grindcore (as you named on the past) is alot mucho heavier and is alot less technical, the grindcore-style vocals are barely used (with songs like gently, the nameless (live), the last chorus of wait and bleed). But the metalcore, i think they are heavyly influenced by hardcore, but you're right, they are not a combination of heavy metal and hardcore, they're just influenced. Perhaps, it shoul be added that they are influenced by hardcore, but not to the point of being metalcore. --Sheish 6 Sheish 20:08, 30 September 2007 (UTC)

Agreed, they certainly have a hardcore influence, but: 1) is it important enough to be listed in the article? 2) is there a reliable source that states that they have such influence? I'm not sure it should be added; I like the way it is now, and I wouldn't want this article to undergo the gigantic discussions that the System of a Down article has gone through. Zouavman Le Zouave 21:42, 30 September 2007 (UTC)

dunno, maybe it should appear like "a hardcore influenced nu metal band", i think that hardcore, death, and thrash metal, but mostly hardcore are their biggest influences and reasons for their original sound, but you're right, there's no reliable source...--Sheish 6 Sheish 06:36, 14 October 2007 (UTC)--Sheish 6 Sheish 06:37, 14 October 2007 (UTC)

I'm I seeing that you do not belive they are nu-metal, or am I seeing things, if these guys aren't nu-metal no body is. If they aren't then Godsmack most certainly is not. Skeeker _[Talk] 07:58, 6 October 2007 (UTC)

no man, we're no saying that, we're trying to explain people that slipknot ain't death metal, but they are a nu metal band that is influences by stuff--Sheish 6 Sheish 04:36, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

personally, i'd still consider them metalcore. dude, if you think they sound nothing like metalcore, you've only heard the singles. listen to something like people=shit, then tell me they're not metalcore. if you judge them based on vol. 3, and songs like before i forget, try again. i know what metalcore is, after all, it's one of my fav genres (think bands like all that remains, and you'll get a good idea of what i listen to). honestly, corey taylor is definately able to growl like any other growler. and, their music contains heavy elements of hardcore punk, another element of metalcore. since they're metal, and hardcore punk, and not quite thrash, why not call them metalcore? Itachi1452 04:11, 15 November 2007 (UTC)

"Since they're metal" - Who ever said they were? They are nu metal, yes; but metal, that's another debate. Adding metalcore is pointless, they are nu metal slightly influenced by many genres and subgenres, including hardcore punk. That does not make them metalcore. Zouavman Le Zouave 06:15, 15 November 2007 (UTC)

they're mallcore, that's true. but look. if bands like disturbed are labeled as heavy metal/nu-metal, i see no reason why slipknot shouldn't be. slipknot has started incorporating guitar solos into their work, and their work has always been heavy. they're heavier than a lot of bands which fall under "heavy metal". not adding metalcore is like having a band's genres bee alternative rock and heavy metal, when you could just simply put alternative metal instead. Itachi1452 22:07, 15 November 2007 (UTC)

NPOV

In a second I'm gonna look for more instances of this, but the thing which caught my eye was this: "The initial reason for the band wearing masks was the disbelief and ridicule the band received in reaction to their musical ambition." Now I checked the reference and that is VAGUELLY stated there, but even if it was an exact quote I'd be forced to point out how NPOV that sounds. Is there no way that could be edited to focus less on how they "struggled against the odds" and more on the reason for their outfits, the context in which that line is supposed to be? Granted, I'm no fan of the group, so I dunno if I should be the one to rewrite it, but I would change it just to "The initial reason for the band wearing masks was the ridicule the band received in reaction to their music." Again, that might sound NPOV too. Any suggestions are appreciated. Dsmccohen 09:34, 2 October 2007 (UTC)

Uhhh... I have a feeling you're mistaking NPOV with POV. NPOV stands for Neutral Point of View whiles POV means Point of View. But yes, some parts of the article are slightly non-neutral, which is a problem. Zouavman Le Zouave 10:26, 2 October 2007 (UTC)

Thanks and yeah. I really had no idea what POV and NPOV stood for. Haha. Thanks for educating me. Also I read over the article and although I don't like this band that was actually the most POV thing I could find. Is there any way that line can be rewritten? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Dsmccohen (talk • contribs) 22:57, 2 October 2007 (UTC)

Ok, I'm gonna delete "The initial reason for the band wearing masks was the disbelief and ridicule the band received in reaction to their musical ambition." even though I agree it's important to note the band originally wore these outfits not just for style, but to protect their identities (just as the Ghostface Killah article mentions the rumour regarding a warrant for his arrest) I'm hoping that deleting this will motivate some Slipknot fan to think of a slightly more NPOV way to phrase it. Because I know if I just rewrite it myself, I'll just inject it with my own POV, all "The initial reason for the band wearing masks was the ridicule the band received in reaction to their music." —Preceding unsigned comment added by Dsmccohen (talk • contribs) 08:46, 3 October 2007 (UTC)

Band Members

The post of Joey's name should be changed as his middle name is not Joey, it is Jonas. His full name is Nathan Jonas Jordison, as such I suggest that his name shown in the info box be changes to "Nathan Jonas Jordison (Joey Jordison)" I am an avid slipknot fan, so I know what I'm talking about. --From The Dark Skys Fan 16:09, 2 October 2007 (UTC)

you're right--Sheish 6 Sheish 06:43, 14 October 2007 (UTC)

But Joey Jordison is his stage name. You've found his birth name. That's only useful for an article on him. Thundermaster367 12:58, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

Before I Forget to be featured on Guitar Hero III

Slipknot's Grammy winning song "Before I Forget" will appear in RedOctane's hit game Guitar Hero III: Legends of Rock.

Source: http://www.slipknot1.com/site

(This should be added to the bands page) NEX767 17:47, 7 October 2007 (UTC)

Slipknot & Mushroomhead Feud

I just wanted to make a comment on the feud between Slipknot and Mushroomhead. The artical about this little "war" between their fans seems to be a little off. The artical states that this all started when either Mushroomhead or Slipknot said something that sparked the tension between both bands. It also says that Slipknot and Mushroomhead had an exchange of words, there by amplifying their fan's anger to go and promote the destruction of both bands. I have a sorce taken from an interveiw with Corey [vocals for Slipknot] talking about the Slipknot vs. Mushroomhead dispute. [A partical copy of the interview can be seen here: http://black-goat.com/search.php?misc=search&subaction=showfull&id=1110566999&archive=1137605263&cnshow=news&ucat=&start_from=&] In the interview, Corey makes it clear that both bands had nothing to do with the start of this mini war raging between both band's fans. He also makes it clear that neither band wants the dispute to go on, claiming that they are just "stuck in the background". Also, if Slipknot seriously thought or believed that Mushroomhead stole thier image, they would have already taken legal actions as seen in the lawsuit taken against Burger King's band "Coq Roq". [Details can be seen here: http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/0817052slipknot1.html] Clearly the band knows that Burger King has tried to steal their image and sound in music in order to attract fans into buying products [which is both irritating and sickening]. I just thought i'd put my foot down and say that i think the artical between Mushroomhead and Slipknot should be revised.

-Blind_Heretic666 08:05, 9 October 2007 (UTC)

Introduction

I've been changing "is a Grammy-winning American metal band" to "is a Grammy-winning American nu metal band" due to the fact that Slipknot is a nu metal band, as the infobox clearly states. This was later edited by Jasca Ducato, who decided to put "is a Grammy-winning Amreican heavy metal band". I believe that putting "metal" or "heavy metal" is too generic for the introduction, and that "nu metal" is totally appropriate. Slipknot is not subject to a big "genre debate", like bands such as System of a Down. The solution that was found for the System of a Down article was to change the intro to "is a rock band". I think it would be a shame to do this to the Slipknot article since it is pretty clear that Slipknot is a nu metal band. Zouavman Le Zouave 12:53, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

• How can heavy metal be too generic when Nu metal is being used to describe everything that came out of that genre? If anything, heavy metal is more specific. Jasca Ducato 08:33, 14 October 2007 (UTC)

Thank you for finally using the talk page. In that case, heavy metal is used as a generic term for all the metal sub-genres, including nu metal. Nu metal is used to describe the specific movement that came from the mid-1990s with bands like Korn, Linkin Park, and Slipknot. So, unless you really mean to argue that Slipknot plays the same music as the original heavy metal bands (Deep Purple, Led Zeppelin, etc.), "heavy metal" is a more generic term than "nu metal". Also, please use the talk page before reverting my edits and leaving vandalism warnings on my talk page. Thanks in advance for your cooperation, Zouavman Le Zouave 17:04, 14 October 2007 (UTC)

Shock rock

Could we describe Slipknot as shock rock? They certainly fit with Wiki's description of "elements of theatrical shock value in live performances", what with the masks and genuinely scary/shocking activities.

• Erm, I don't think so. Jasca Ducato 08:35, 13 October 2007 (UTC)

I also disagree. Otherwise you could also try describing Burzum as shock rock. Zouavman Le Zouave 12:08, 13 October 2007 (UTC)

Fair play —Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.111.82.30 (talk) 17:10, 16 October 2007 (UTC)

Why not? They throw shit, light stuff on fire, etc. And Zouavman, Burzum never has and never will play a live show. Black Metal as a genre is shock rock anyways. --Notmyhandle 04:32, 23 October 2007 (UTC)

They are not shock rock, OK? Thundermaster367 12:59, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

Why? Because you say so? Personal opinion has no claim in defining where Slipknot fits into musical genres. --Notmyhandle 11:16, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

That includes your then I take it. Jasca Ducato 11:07, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, yeah. You know that if you don't have source that they are shock rock, they aren't. You know that if personal opinion has no value, then neither does yours. Thundermaster367 11:28, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

why

why is the main pic up for deletion. i think it is better than the past ones.GuyDoe 21:29, 16 October 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, I agree with GuyDoe about the pic. To be completely honest, it fits fine with the Slipknot page. Why change it? Blind_Heretic666 8:30, 23 October 2007 (UTC)

Because it has copyright. Thundermaster367 13:00, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

Ahh....that would be a good reason to change it. Blind_Heretic666 8:46, 15 November 2007 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.188.179.33 (talk)

Suggestion for edit

Corey also appears unmasked on the "Stait Up, Tribute to Lynn Strait" album. Article doesn't allow editing otherwise I would have changed it.

Suggestion for edit

Corey also appears unmasked on the "Stait Up, Tribute to Lynn Strait" album. Article doesn't allow editing otherwise I would have changed it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.71.132.83 (talk) 16:16, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

Slipknot vs. Slip Knot

Shouldn't Slip_knot redirect to the type of knot, and not to here??? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.205.148.195 (talk) 21:00, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

Thrash Metal

Isn't it obvious that Slipknot are thrash metal. Listen to:

• Wait and Bleed
• Before I Forget
• The Blister Exsists
• My Plague

and becomes obvious.

They are also rap metal.

• Spit It Out

And nu metal.

• Duality
• The Nameless

So do you think I should add those genres? Thundermaster367 08:55, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

No, nu metal encompasses all of those, it's already on the page WITH a reference. The genre debate has been going on for ever, and since it's clear that you can't classify them as just a few things (who knows what their next album will end up being classified as) it's better to leave the genre simple like it is now (something referenced and accepted by all) and then discuss it objectively within the article - elements of the music, why it would be classified in each, and make it clear that their dynamic sounds are the reason why it doesn't remain within a single genre. It's pointless, does no one see that? --Notmyhandle 10:50, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

OK, upon comparing Slipknot to Korn, I can see you point. However, the nu metal article states they crossover from nu metal into thrash metal. So that is why we should list them as it.Thundermaster367 13:57, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

When doing so, I recommend using both a note at the bottom to explain it, as well as a citable reference. --Notmyhandle 09:13, 16 November 2007 (UTC)

For Vol. 3

Let's add extreme metal and hardcore metal, as they have been listed under Vol. 3 genres. We can mark them as "newer". Thundermaster367 14:16, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

No, leave it at just Nu metal. Inhumer 01:38, 15 November 2007 (UTC)

May I ask why??????? Thundermaster367 08:48, 15 November 2007 (UTC)

Because thats what they are. They may be influenced extreme metal genres, but they are still just Nu metal. There is also no such thing as "Hardcore metal". Inhumer 22:04, 15 November 2007 (UTC)

I knew it. I must change that article. Thundermaster367 11:03, 16 November 2007 (UTC)

I agree with Inhumer. They are certainly influenced by other genres, but they still remain nu metal, just as some nu metal bands are influenced by latin music, that does not make them latin music. Zouavman Le Zouave 13:53, 16 November 2007 (UTC)

You are right. They have thrash influences but are not thrash. Also, hardcore metal is metalcore, but they clearly aren't metalcore as that is a term for bands like BFMV and Silent Civilian. Thundermaster367 (talk) 09:42, 19 November 2007 (UTC)

Alternative metal

I've added this as it is a genre as it they are clearly a alt. metal band. All of the song articles state this. Thundermaster367 (talk) 09:40, 19 November 2007 (UTC)

Mick Thomson

Could someone able to edit Mick's page please correct it so it shows info on Mick rather than just a copy of Slipknots own page?, and please correct the spelling mistake, it's Thomson not Thompson

I have moved Mick's page to the correct spelling of Mick Thomson Blackngold29 (talk) 19:37, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

Not that it matters either way, but that was me. I got the page unprotected and I restored it with reliable sources. Rezter (talk) 19:57, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

People = Shit

Was that song even a single of the band, or was it just a regular album track? If it wasn't a single, I would think it reasonable to delete it. Any info or opinions? Zouavman Le Zouave 06:52, 21 November 2007 (UTC)

They didn't release it as a single and besides, it's a stub, violates WP:NPOV and needs cleanup. I would support you if you nominated it for deletion. Thundermaster367^{Thundermaster's Talk} —Preceding comment was added at 13:39, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

Fucking stupid

I just don't get why the page for the 4th studio album keeps getting nominated for deletion. It really pisses me off. What makes it so different from all of the other pages on Wikipedia that deal with future albums, huh? These administrators or whoever they are need to just leave the page alone so that we can make a positve contribution towards the Maggots' knowledge. I fI sound very mad its because this same exact thing is happening twice.

Heh, but I guess it is kinda funny. When there is a ton of information about the album out, and we can't make the page because some big-wig administrator says it's a "crystal ball" (WTF?), then I'll be laughing that I won't be able to expand the bands' fans' knowledge of it. And there will be a bunch of people sitting at home, going to Wikipedia to find out the information, and they won't be able to find it on Wikipedia, they'll have to pick through bullcrap websites to try and find the exact same thing they could find on Wikipedia had only the page stayed.

Share your thoughts, please. I'm all ears.

Dark Executioner (talk) 23:40, 28 November 2007 (UTC)Dark Executioner

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BetacommandBot (talk) 16:55, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

Possible Break-Up section

I believe that this should be deleted until the band actually does break up. It kind of makes it look like this band is finished, but they've got a new album coming up! The end is very far away, because Joey Jordison himself said, in an interview, that "2008 is gonna be all about Slipknot"! Dark Executioner (talk) 20:42, 11 December 2007 (UTC)Dark Executioner

I definately agree with that. RPI (talk) 20:47, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

I also agree, any band could break up at anytime, the inclusion in the article makes it look like they plan to disband after their next album, which isn't, to my knowledge, true. I support a deletion. Blackngold29 (talk) 00:32, 16 December 2007 (UTC)