Talk:Sindh/Archive 1

Archive 1

Peccavi

Regarding the "Peccavi" pun: it did not appear as a cartoon in Punch (as is reported in several places on the Web). It was a joke submitted by Catherine Winkleworth to Punch and appeared as a brief paragraph in a column of drollery on 18 May 1844. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 165.228.129.11 (talk) 23:41, 4 April 2004‎ (UTC)

Sapta Sindu vs Bharat Varsha

The Aryans called most of what is today Pakistan, Kashmir and eastern Afghanistan, Sapta Sindhu, the land of seven rivers. In the Rigveda it is referred to as Sapta Sindhva, while India is named Bharat Varsa (the land of the sons of Bharat, a legendary Emperor). Thus, for the Aryans there were two countries in South Asia: Sapta Sindhva (Sindh) and Bharat Varsa (Hind).

Bharat Varsha is a name from the later Vedic age,, separated by about 1000 years from the time of the Rigveda. The Bharat dynasty did not exist at the time the Rigveda was written. Consequently, the name Bharat Varsha is never mentioned in any of the vedas. It is universally accepted that the word Hind comes from Sind. In fact from Sanskrit to Avestan 'S' always changes to 'H'. For example, Soma becomes Haoma, Asura becomes Ahura, etc. Also, the name Sapta Sindhu is never mentioned in any later Vedic texts like the Upanishads or the itihaasas. deeptrivia 04:52, 10 November 2005 (UTC)

I think you make some valid points and I'm deleting the paragraph altogether as it did not add much to the article which is too long at this rate anyway. Tombseye 10:19, 11 November 2005 (UTC)

The Assyrian name

What is the evidence for the sentence in the introduction which starts with:

The Assyrians (as early as the seventh century BCE) knew the region as Sinda

The only reference I can find is Michael Witzels article [1] which mentions Sinda as the name of a wood from Sindh. Green Giant 20:22, 21 January 2006 (UTC)

Changed infobox

There's no point having an infobox if only one article uses it - each province plus Islamabad had their own infobox. So I've replaced the obsolete Template:Sind_infobox with a generic one for all provinces and territories. Green Giant 01:06, 2 February 2006 (UTC)

I have made the Template:Sind infobox few months ago. Well, its good to have unique infobox for all provinces. I appreacite your efforts on desinging Template:Pakistan infobox.

User:M.Imran 11:45, 2 February 2006 (UTC)

aryan invasion?

Isn't the aryan invasion false?

Dieresis 23:52, 19 May 2006 (UTC) No, it's endlessly debated. See, for example Indo-Aryan_migration.

Some Sindhi

Some Sindhi personalities / dignitaries who born in Sindh / Sindhi families & earned international name / reputation

link (http://www.sindhtoday.net/celebrity.htm)

UNITED NATIONS (UN):

01. Sir Sultan Agha Soem (III) - President, League of Nation (Predecessor UN) 02. Iqbal Akhund, Permanent Representative in UN 03. Munir Akram

GOVERNOR GENERAL, PRESIDENT & PRIME MINISTER:

01. Quaid-e-Azam Mohammad Ali Jinnah, Founder of Pakistan & Governor General. 02. Shaheed Zulfikar Ali Bhutto, President of Pakistan. 03. Shaheed Zulfikar Ali Bhutto, Prime Minister of Pakistan and Chairman, 2nd. Islamic Summit Conference. 04. Mohammad Khan Junejo, Prime Minister of Pakistan. 05. Ms Benazir Bhutto, Prime Minister of Pakistan (Twice). 06. Ghulam Mustafa Jatoi, Caretaker Prime Minister of Pakistan. 07. L. K. Advani, Deputy Prime Minister of India 08. Mohammadmian Soomro - Acting President of Pakistan

FIRST WOMAN PRIME MINISTER OF MUSLIM WORLD:

01. Ms Benazir Bhutto

JUDGE:

01. Justice Sajjad Shah, Chief Justice, Supreme Court of Pakistan. 02. Justice Ghulam Ali Nana 03. Justice & Governor Chainani (India) 04. Justice Tufail Ali Abdul Rehman 05. Justice Zia Channa 06. Justice Abdul Hafiz Shaikh

THINKER & JURIST:

01. Allama I. I. Kazi (Imdad Ali Imam Ali Qazi) - Thinker, Jurist & Vice Chancellor, University of Sindh 02. Abdul Hafeez Pirzado, international jurist 03. A. K. Brohi, international jurist (Allah Bux Karim Bux Brohi) 04. Ghulam Ali Memon, Advocate 05. Barrister Azizullah Shaikh 06. Shaheed Zulfikar Ali Bhutto 07. Nooruddin Sarki, Advocate 08. Ram Jethmalani, Advocate (India)

SENATE & NATIONAL ASSEMBLY:

01. Mohammadmian Soomro, Chairman, Senate 02. Illahi Bux Soomro, Speaker, National Assembly 03. Abdul Fatah Memon, Deputy Speaker National Assembly (Nawabshah) 04. Syed Zafar Ali Shah, Deputy Speaker, National Assembly

AMBASSADOR:

01. Abdul Kadir Sanjrani 02. Abdul Razaak Soomro 03. Pir Ali Mohammad Rashdi 04. Saleh Korejo 05. Najummuddin Shaikh 06. Abdul Fattah Memon

DEFENCE MINISTER:

01. Mohammad Ayub Khuhro. 02. Mir Ali Mohammad Talpur 03. Mir Hazar Khan Bajrani 04. Aftab Shoaban Mirani 05. Syed Ghous Ali Shah

NATIONALIST:

01. G. M. Syed - veteran politician 02. Sobhho Gayanchandani 03. Abdul Hameed Jatoi 04. Mohammad Ibrahim Joyo 05. Rasool Bux Palijo 06. Haider Bux Jatoi 07. Sardar Mumtaz Ali Bhutto

PAKISTAN / INDIAN AIR FORCE & INDIAN NAVY:

01. Air Marshal (Retired) Mohammad Azim Daudpoto. 02. Admiral R. K. Tahiliani (India). 03. Air Vice Marshal Bhavnani (Recently promoted - India)

ARMY GENERAL:

01. Shah Behaaro 02. Shaheed Hoshu Mohammad Sheedi 03. Shaheed Daryaa Khan (Note: No Sindhi reached at the rank of General in Islamic Republic of Pakistan since Aug 1947 till date)

EDUCATIONIST:

01. Hassan Ali Effendi 02. Mohammad Bin Umer Daudpoto 03. Syed Ghulam Mustafa Shah 04. Mazharul Haq Siddiqui 05. Dr Gurbaxani 06. H. M. Khawaja 07. Sadhu Waswani (India) 08. Allama I. I. Kazi 09. Syed Panah Ali Shah 10. Wali Mohammad Hassan Ali 11. Noor Mohammad (Hyderabad) 12. Prof. Ram Panjwani 13. Hassan Ali Abdulur Rehman

RESEARCH SCHOLAR:

01. Dr Nabi Bux Baloch 02. Gangaram Samrat 03. Rahimdad Molai Sheedai 04. Pir Hussamuddin Shah Rashdi

WRITER:

01. Mirza Qaleech Beg 02. Pir Hussamuddin Shah Rashdi. 03. Pir Ali Mohammad Rashdi 04. Mohammad Ibrahim Joyo 05. Rasool Bux Palijo 06. Sirajul Haq Memon 07. Amar Jaleel 08. Jamal Abro 09. Mohan Kalpna (Sindh & India) 10. Ms Noorul Hudaa Shah 11. Abdul Kadir Junejo 12. Ali Ahmed K. Brohi 13. Gobind Malhi (Sindh & India) 14. A. J. Uttem (Sindh & India) 15. Ms Sundri Uttem (Sindh & India) 16. Kirat Baabani (India) 17. Bhagwan S. Gidwani (Sindh & India) 18. Mohammad Usman Diplai 19. Ghulam Mohammad Girami 20. Altaf Shaikh 21. Bhagwan S. Gidwani 22. Hashoo Kewalramani (Sindh & India). 23. Ejaz Mangi 23. Ms Popti Hiranandani (Sindh & India) 24. Shaikh Ayaz 25. Gobind Malhi 26. Kako Bhairu Mall 27. Agha Saleem 28. Lokram Dodeja 29. Kako Bherumal 30. Kalyan Adwani 31. Dr Gurbakhsani 32. A. T. Shahani 33. Gul Agha 34. Aftab Kazi 35. Mohammad Khan Sial

POET:

01.Shah Abdul Lateef Bhittai 02. Hazrat Sachal Sarmast 03. Chen Rai Saami 04. Khalefo Nabi Bux 05. Shaikh Ayaz 06. Ustaad Bukhari 07. Narayen Shiyaam (India) 08. Shamsherul Haidri 09. Allah Bux Abojho 10. Abdul Hussain Saangi 11. Niaz Hamayooni 12. Tanvir Abbasi 13. Yousaf Shaheen Daudpoto 14. Makhdoom Mohammad Zaman Talibul Maula 15. Allah Baksh Sarshar Uqaili POLICE:

01. Bashir Siddiqui, Inspector General of Police, Sindh

INTELLECTUAL:

01. Mohammad Ibrahim Joyo 02.Sobhho Gayyanchandani 03. Rasool Bux Palijo 04. Professor Ram Panjwani (Sindh & India) 05. Wattayo Faqir 06. Hafeez Qureshi Senior 07. Allama I. I. Kazi

JOURNALIST:

01. Shaikh Abdul Majeed Sindhi 02. Pir Ali Mohammad Rashdi 03. Pir Hussamuddin Shah Rashdi 04. Shaikh Abdul Raheem 05. Shaikh Ali Mohammad 06. Karim Bux Nizamani 07. Qazi Abdul Majeed 'Abid' 08. Mohammad Usman Diplai 09. Qazi Akbar 10. Maulana Deen Mohammad Wafai 11. Laxman Komal (India) 12. Hari Motwani (India) 13. Persu Kewalramanani (Sindh & India) 14. Khair Mohammad Nizamani 15. Qadir Nizamani 16. Abdul Wahid Sindhi 17. Kako Gurdas Wadhwani 18. Lalchand Amardino Lal Juggtiani 19. Hasaram Pumnani 20. Maharaj Haroomal Premchand Sharcua 21. Comrade Ghulam Mohammad Leghari

SINDHI / ENGLISH NEWSPAPER:

01. Daily Ibrat, Hyderabad (Qzai Abdul Majeed Abid) 02. Daily Kawish, Hyderabad (Ali Qazi) 03. Daily Aftab, Hyderabad (Shaikh Ali Mohammad) 04. Daily Hilal-e-Pakistan, Karachi (Sirajul Haq) 05. Daily Awami Awaz, Karachi (Imdad Odho, Abdul Jabbar Khattak) 06. Daily Al-Waheed, Karachi (Shaikh Abdul Majeed Sindhi during Pakistan Movement) 07. Daily Barsat, Karachi (Yousuf Shaheen Daudpoto) 08. Fortnightly English "Sindh Today. Net", Karachi - Online (Aamir Sial)

SINGER:

01. Master Chander (Sindh & India) 02. Ustad Manzoor Ali Khan 03. Ms Bhagwanti Nanwani (India) 04. Ms Abida Praveen 05. Ms Mai Bhagi 06. Ms Jiwani Bai 07. Ms Shazia Khushk 08. Ustad Mohammad Ibrahim 09. Ustad Mohammad Juman 10. Professor Ram Panjwani (Sindh & India) 11. Shaheed Kunwar Bhagat Ram 12. Allan Faqir 13. Mohan Bhaggat 14. Ms Zarina Baloch. 15. Ms Rubina Qureshi. 16. Mahesh Chander (India) 17. Sono Khan Baloch 18. Abdul Ghafoor 19. Mohan Bhagat 20. Ms Hamira Channa 21. Arshad

MUSICIAN / COMPOSER/ MURLI-NAWAZ:

01. Ahmed Chhagla (who composed music of Pakistan's national anthem). 02. Misri Khan Jamali, Alghoza-Nawaz 03. Khamiso Khan, Alghoza-Nawaz 04. Mithaa Khan, Gharreay-Nawaz 05. Iqbal Jogi, Murli-Nawaz

MISS UNIVERSE:

01. Ms Uketa Mukhi, Miss World (India)

FILM INDUSTRY:

01. Govinda (India) 02. Aksheay Kumar (India) 03. Ms Amisha Patel (India) 04. Ms Sangeeta Bajlani (India) 05. Ms Babita Shevdassani 06. Ms Karina Kapoor & Ms Kirshma Kapoor (India) (daughters of Ms Babita Shevdasani) 07. Gope Kamlani (Comedian) (India) 08. Israani (Comedian) (India) 09. Mustafa Qureshi (Villain) 10. Saqi (Baloch) 11. Ms Sadhna Shivdassani (India) 12. Ravi Vaswani (Comedian) (India) 13. Aftab Shivdassni (India) 14. Fardin Khan (His mother Ms Sundri is Sindhi)

FILM PRODUCER / DIRECTOR:

01. Ramesh Sippy (Sho'ala fame (India) 02. Gopal P. Sippy (India) 03. Govind Nihalani (Award Winner - two times) (India) 04. Hussain Shah Fazlani (Producer) 05. Ramesh Taurani (Producer) (India) 06. Arjun Hingorani (Director) (India)

PRIVATE SINDHI TV CHANNEL:

01. KTN (Ali Qazi) 02. Sindh TV (Dr Abdul Karim Rajpar).

TV / RADIO ARTIST / BROADCASTER:

01. Noor Mohammad Lashari 02. Mahmood Siddiqi 03. Ghazala Rafique 04. Ms Atteqa Odho 05. Shafi Mohammad Shah 06. Saleh Mohammad Shah 07. Mahboob Aalam 08. Abdul Karim Baloch 09. Miss Shah Bibi (Newscaster) 10. Saleem Memon (Newscaster) 11. Hiro Thakur (Newscaster) (India) 12. Ms Mehtab Akbar Rashdi (TV Compere).

HAARI (PEASANT) LEADER:

01. Haider Bux Jatoi (founder of 'Jeay Sindh' slogan but Abdul Wahid Aresar claims Shaikh Ayaz was founder of the slogan). 02. Kazi Faiz Mohammad 03. Comrade Azhar Jatoi 04. Comrade Abdul Kadir Mewa Khan Khokhar (founder of Sindh Hari Movement). 05. Jethal Ram 06. Jamshed Mahta 07. Shaikh Abdul Majeed Sindhi 08. G. M. Syed (Ghulam Murteza Syed) 09. Comrade Ghulam Mohammad Leghari 10. Maulvi Nazir Hussain Jatoi 11. Mohammad Amin Khoso 12. Arbab Noor Mohammad Palijo 13. Qadir Bux Nizamani 14. Jamalludin Bukhari 15. Mohammad Amin Khoso 16. Jethmal 17. Jamshed Niserwanji

SOCIAL WORKER:

01. Miskeen Jehaan Khan Khoso 02. Ghulam Mohammad Wassan 03. Khan Mohammad Panhwar 04. Jam Saqi 05. Dada Lekhraj - Founder of Brahamakumaris (India) 06. Mir Rasool Bux Talpur 07. Qazi Mohammad Bux Dhamrah (Nawabshah) 08. Comrade Mir Mohammad Talpur 09. Qazi Faiz Mohammad 10. Begum Zeenat Abdullah Channa 11. Begum Khadija Daudpoto 12.Afroze Jameel Uqaili 13.Sardar Makhdoom Areeb

BUREAUCRATS / TECHNOCRATS

01. Abdullah Channa 02. S. K. Baloch 03. Usman Ali Essani 04. Allah Dino Siyal 05. Noor Mohammad Siyal 06. Noor Mohammad Baloch 07. Ali Nawaz Memon (World Bank) 08. Abdul Kadir Siddiqui

BUSINESSMAN:

01. Hinduja family (India) 02. Hari Leela family (Hong Kong/India). 03. Ram Baxani (Dubai/India) 04. Abdullah Haroon. 05. Dr. Hiranandani, world class contractor (India) 06. Shri Dilip Lakhi (Mumbai - India) NOTE: Sindhi entrepreneurs like Chanrais, Chellarams, Jashanmals also have made their fortune in Hong Kong, Singapore, Dubai, London, Africa etc.

PAKISTAN MOVEMENT:

01. Mohammad Ali Jinnah - Founder of Pakistan (born in Jherruck, Sindh on Dec 1876). 02. G. M. Syed (who presented Pakistan Resolution in Sindh Assembly in 1943) 03. Shaikh Abdul Majid Sindhi 04. Abdullah Haroon 05. Hakeem Mayaz 06. Sir Shahnawaz Bhutto (who played major role in Separation of Sindh from Bombay (now Mumbai) Movement). 07. Raees Ghulam Mohammad Khan Bhurgari 08. Khanbahadur Mohammad Ayub Khuhro 09. Sir Ghulam Hussain Hidayyatullah 10. Khanbahadur Allah Bux Soomro 11. Syed Miran Mohammad Shah 12. Mohammad Hashim Gazdar

SINDHI RULER:

01. Shahinshah Mohammad Akbar - The Great Mughal Emperor of United India. He born in Umerkot, Sindh. His mother namely Ms Hameeda Begum was Sindhi girl who belonged to Paat [Now District Dadu]- a small town of Sindh which was known as 'Centre of knowledge' in those days. His father King Hamayoon got married with Ms Hameeda Begum when he was living in exiled life in Sindh. 02. Shaheed Maharaaja Daher 03. Dodo Soomro 04. Jam Nando 05. Shaheed Zulfikar Ali Bhutto 06. Mian Ghulam Shah Kalhoro

SINDHI SHAHEED:

01. Shaheed Mahaaraja Daher. 02. Shaheed Dodo Soomro 03. Shaheed Zulfikar Ali Bhutto 04. Shaheed Hosh Mohammad Sheedi (Hoshoo). 05. Shaheed Hemu Kalaani 06. Shaheed Rooplo Kolhi 07. Shaheed Daryaa Khan 08. Mai Bakhtawar Saheed 09. Shaheed Makhdoom Bilawal 10. Shaheed Shah Enayyat 11. Shaheed Bhagat Kanwar Ram 12. Shaheed Pir Subagatullah Shah Pagaaro 13. Shaheed Allah Bux Soomro 14. Shaheed Abdul Razak Soomro

HISTORICAL LOVE-STORY:

01. Moomal Raano 02. Sassaui Punhun 03. Sohni Mehaar 04. Leela Chanesar

SYMBOL OF PATRIOTISM:

01. Ms Marvi 02. Hosh Mohammad Sheedi

MISCELLANEOUS:

Unlimited: 01. Governors 02. Chief Ministers 03. Chief Justice of Sindh high court 04. Justice of Supreme Court 05. federal ministers 06. provincial ministers o7. Politicians / advocates 08. TV & Radio Producers / Artists 09. Journalists

ARTIST:

01. Zafar Kazmi 02. Munwar Abro

NEWSCASTER / BOADCASTER:

01. Miss Shah Bibi (News Reader Radio Pakistan) 02. Miss Iqbal Soomro (News Reader Radio Pakistan) 03. Miss Veena Shirangi (Newsreader & Broadcaster AIR) 04. Hero Thakur (Newsreader & Broadcaster AIR) 05. Saleem Memon (TV Newscaster)ARTIST:

01. Zafar Kazmi 02. Munwar Abro

NEWSCASTER / BOADCASTER:

01. Miss Shah Bibi (News Reader Radio Pakistan) 02. Miss Iqbal Soomro (News Reader Radio Pakistan) 03. Miss Veena Shirangi (Newsreader & Broadcaster AIR) 04. Hero Thakur (Newsreader & Broadcaster AIR) 05. Saleem Memon (TV Newscaster)

PHOTOGRAPHER:

01. Ayaz Rashdi

PIA CHIEF:

01.Air Marshal Azim Daudpoto (Chairman) 02. Dr Mir Mohammad Shah (Managing Director)

HISTORIAN:

01. Molai Sheedai 02. Pir Hussamuddin Shah Rashdi 03. Gangaram Samrat (India) 04. Dr Nabi Bux Khan Baloch 05. K. R. Malkani Historian & Lt. Governor (India) 06. Kako Bhairumall

SINDHI WRESTLER:

01. Sher Mirbahar 02. Nooruddin Babbur 03. Saman Shah

STAGE COMEDIAN:

01. Qadir Bux Mithoo 02. Mohammad Maskhro

INDIGENOUS INTELLECTUAL (SUGHARRE):

01. Beero Faqir 02. Mohammad Malook Abbasi

SPIRITUAL LEADER:

01. Pir Pagaaro Senior 02. Makhdoom Talebul Mola 03. Asaram Bapu (Guru) (India) 04. Sadhu Waswani (India)

SINDHI WOMAN IN NATIONAL MOVEMENT:

01. Miss Akhtar Baloch (daughter of Ms Zarina Baloch) who observed fast unto death demanding publication of voter-lists in Sindhi language in 1969/70. In male, Lala Qadir observed fast unto death for longer period.

02. Ms Riaz Memon (Ms Razia Memon) also participated in above-mentioned movement by observing fast unto death as number 2.

TRANSLATION OF HOLY QURAN:

01. Abul Hassan (First ever translation of Holy Quran made from Arabic to Sindhi Language).

NATIONAL SLOGANS:

01. "Jeay Sindh" 02. "Bhhaij Bhittai" 03. "Mar-Waisoon, Parr-Sindh-Na-Daisoon"

KHILAFAT TAHREEK (Historical):

01. Barrister Jan Mohammad Junejo (Raeesul Muhaajrin) 02. Maulana Taj Mohammad Amroti 03. Maulana Abdul Karim Darras 04. Pir Turab Ali Shah

STATE BANK OF PAKISTAN:

01.N M Uqaili 02 Governor Ms Shamshad Akhter

khalidkhoso —Preceding undated comment added 11:55, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

Indian tags?

I read that there are Indian template tags on some of the Sindhi pages.This is ridiculous.How long before everything Sindhi,Punjabi(Or anything Pakistani-related)become a target for Indian tags?Nadirali 02:31, 22 December 2006 (UTC)

as soon someone puts them up. merry x-mas.--D-Boy 13:07, 24 December 2006 (UTC)

Sindhi Rulers

This article mentions very little about Sindhi rulers be they Musikanos (Greek transliteration for Indian King's name), Chach, or even the Sindhi Emirs that ruled following the loss of Baghdad's control over the region. I just wanted solicit the perspective of others before including these changes. Although not a Sindhi myself, I figure that the article's depth would be enhanced with a more comprehensive view of the region's history, rather than limiting mention primarily conquerors of the region, be they foreign or south asian. Let me know what you think.

Regards,

Devanampriya — Preceding unsigned comment added by Devanampriya (talk • contribs) 23:19, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

Aryan invasion dated to 4000 BCE, credited with finding Indus Valley Civilization

The above things mentioned in the article go against every contemporary thing known today about Ancient India/South Asia. What is known is that Aryans came around 1800 BCE and the origins of Indus Valley Civilization are not known yet at all. Thus the things mentioned in the title included in the article seem to be the work of someone's fancy or self-conclusions rather than constituting the present state of acedemic knowledge on the subject and very, very unbecoming of a site which calls itself an encyclopedia. This article needs to be tagged "Biased" and "Unencyclopedic" however that's done. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 59.178.43.23 (talk) 09:14, 19 February 2007‎ (UTC)

Famous people

The section of Famous people is quite a bit confusing. I cannot figure out the criteria for putting people in Pre-Independence (pre-1947) and Post-Independence (post-1947) columns. Former contains people like Muhammad Ali Jinnah, Pir Pagaro, Aga Khan III and Fatima Jinnah. All of these lived (one is still alive) until after the creation of Pakistan. I am not sure about Aga Khan III but all others are citizens of Pakistan. This makes me think maybe they were born before 1947 that is why they are in Pre-Independence (pre-1947) column. However, in Post-Independence (post-1947) we have people like Pervez Musharraf, G. M. Syed and Zulfikar Ali Bhutto who like Muhammad Ali Jinnah, Pir Pagaro and Fatima Jinnah were born before 1947 but are Pakistani citizens. There is a clear contradiction here. Sindhi people who were born before 1947 but are Pakistani citizens must be listed under Post-Independence (post-1947). Your opinion is sought. Szhaider 19:12, 26 February 2007 (UTC)

Alexandra the Great

in the article it says "Alexandra the Great was in Sindh for decades" - This is incorrect, based on a TV documentary I saw, it said I seem to recall that he was there for 3 years. Though Alexandra the Great did leave some of his generals behind and their decendents are still there. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 89.243.92.12 (talk) 23:11, 21 March 2007 (UTC).

Sindh in Sindhi

In the opening line the name of the province is given in Urdu and Arabic script Sindhi. Why isn't the very distinctive Sindhi script also shown?--Sukkoth 20:41, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

That would probably be because the very distinctive Sindhi script is officially used in India but only the Arabic script is used in Pakistan. Green Giant 15:31, 23 September 2007 (UTC)

Sindhi language speakers

On the Sindhi language page it says there are 35 million speakers in Pakistan, (8 in India) but here it says there are 15 and 2.5 million speakers in Pakistan and India respectively. What are the right figures and where do they come from? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.215.194.139 (talk) 11:45, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

History

"The Aryan invaders instituted the caste system to enslave the native population and the aborigine tribes (citation/proof needed)." Isn't the use of a line like this (without proper citation) a bit provocative and irresponsible considering the ill-tempered discussions that are generated in such South Asian historical topics (which have even led to pages being protected and users being blocked)?--Eukesh 18:41, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

I think Sindh is the one of the biggest reasons for the creation of Pakistan. Sindh is Baab-ul-Islam and truly introduced Islam to South Asia. Sindhi was first South Asian language to have a translation of Quran in it. The creator of Pakistan, Quaid-e-Azam, is also from Sindh. Szhaider 18:40, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

yes Dear Szhaider,i already add that name in start of article ,read it it is in start.anways thanx for comments

khalidkhoso

Baab-ul -Islam...after so many hardships...Persia fell in 651 AD to Muslims, Spain in 718 and Sind in 721 AD. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 117.195.132.198 (talk) 19:20, 20 August 2008 (UTC)

Mahajir a Racial slurr

This term is condsidered a racial slurr to a population of people in karchi. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 74.96.245.151 (talk • contribs) 05:46, 3 December 2006 (UTC).

not really, infact many urdu-speaking refugees identify with this title themselves, and use the term when asked about their ethnic/cultural background in Pakistan. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 130.63.226.31 (talk) 00:54, 20 November 2008 (UTC)

Need help

may you make photos of Pakistani Plated mail and Mirror armour? especially interested in famous sind-armour (Idot (talk) 03:52, 28 January 2009 (UTC))

education of sindh

Article reformat and additions

I decided to change the article (before signing in) and make it more organized etc. It needed a lot of work as there were too many disparate parts to it. Let me know what people think and any suggestions are welcome. Tombseye 19:18, 20 October 2005 =================================================================§ well,education in sindh is not going too bad, the government is taking good steps to re-open the closed schools in interior sites of sindh,but still there should be a change in the education system, the students should be provided up to date books so that the students could learn new and modern, well educated teachers should be appointed and they should at first be observed... and if they really are willing to teach but they dont have a good way to teach they should be made trained to teach..and if this process works on,i am sure that the people of interior sites of sindh would never ever even think to shift to another place because of not having good education system""--203.130.8.4 (talk) 22:04, 24 March 2009 (UTC)fagava

Caste system banned intermarriage?

I think it is somewhat erroneous to say this. While it was instigated to keep the Aryans pure, it did not prevent women from switiching castes. Women of lower castes who married upper class men became part of that upper class, as did their children and descendents thereafter. Women who married beneath their caste, went to that lower caste, with children and descendents. The former was more the case. Women were known to have been very mobile in terms of caste, so mobile as to become the dominant mtDNA in most northern Indian/Pakistani populations. Indeed, recent genetics show that most South Asian people, (excluding Iranian peoples and Mongoloid groups) have a common mtDNA genetic heritage existing in the region for more than 10,000 years while the y-chromosomes bear all the traces of the Aryan migrants and later invaders. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 205.221.1.37 (talk • contribs)

Do you have a reputable and verifiable source for this information? If you do, then changes can be made. Green Giant 01:17, 15 April 2006 (UTC)

Scientificly speeking it would be impossbile for such a vast population of over a billion people to carry "a common DNA" and the period of survival would be questioned.Carrying "the same DNA" would be a result of over inter-marraige,thus causing deformation(and sometimes a much shorter lifespan).Sure it's possible to carry common DNA from one side and a seperate on the other.For example,the Pathans and Kashmiris are said to be of Aryan/Semetic DNA.Sindhis share the common Aryan DNA with the Pathans along with the other ethnicities of Pakistan,but don't overall share the semetic DNA that Pathans and Kashmiris particularly have.Nadirali 05:38, 8 December 2006 (UTC)Nadirali

I think the term 'common mtDNA' refers to genetic clustering where DNA of a region is more similar than that share by people outside it. The Indiam Subcontinant is one such genetic cluster. It is pretty poor reasoning to suggest that the caste system is the cause of prevention of intermarriage. It is feudal and tribal/ethnic loyalties that have long had control on intermarriage between peoples, caste is just one form and an often used excuse for what happens in general anyway. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 147.89.224.69 (talk) 10:03, 31 March 2009 (UTC)

Why is the no mention of Hindus Sindhis?

1. Sindh had 25% Hindus prior to Partition. And this should be acknolowleged.
2. There is no mention of the violence that Hindu Sindhis faced and were forced out to India.
3. During the Partition - Bengal and Punjab which was split into two. So both Hindu/Sikhs and Muslims both had a Homeland.
4. However ALL of Sindh of was given to Pakistan. So Hindu Sindhis found themselves without a homeland, and were forced to other parts India which spoke a different language with different traditions etc...
5. Historically, there was no communal violence between the Sindhi Muslim and Sindhi Hindu community.

I have changed the entry somone made about the Hindu population. On one hand the entry on this page states that hindus comprised 27% of the population prior to partition and then in another area it suggests that the majority of Sindhis remained in Sindh. This is clearly not the case with the current population of only 7.5% Hindu even with migration of outsiders into the province. Also it should be made clear that the Hindu population of Sindh or even Sindh in general was not a Homogenous population. Many Hindus belonged to Rajput, Bhil, and Meghwar communities. So comparing the Sindhi population of India is misleading, there were several other communities in addition from this region. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 147.89.224.69 (talk) 10:22, 31 March 2009 (UTC)

Nawabshah as Shaheed Benazirabad???

Has the name of Nawabshah District officially been changed to Shaheed Benazirabad??? is that so, then why the Government of Sindh has not changed the name in its WEBSITE? I know that Sindh government has taken initiative regarding this but up till now no official announcement has been made in this regard. The policy of Wikipedia as we all know is based on proper references. If proper references are provided, only then the name change should be allowed!! nomi887 (talk) 09:46, 15 May 2009 (UTC)

Fair use rationale for Image:Pk-sindh.PNG

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Seleucids?

I doubt about a seleucid rule in Sindh. What is the source?. How can the seleucids to rule before the mauryans (about 305 BC) if the seleucid empire started really in 301 BC (about five years later). This are common errors take from Internet's less accurate sources and then repeated and repeated without meditation in many pages.--83.52.18.163 (talk) 21:51, 6 February 2010 (UTC)

Copyright problem removed

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Ahirs are also important tribes of Sindh

http://books.google.co.in/books?id=xQM9voN21ekC&pg=PA182&dq=ahirs+of+sindh&hl=en&ei=eUWITaXqKcfprQfJqfDaDg&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=8&ved=0CE0Q6AEwBw#v=onepage&q=ahirs%20of%20sindh&f=false

http://books.google.co.in/books?id=1rBDAAAAYAAJ&q=ahirs+of+sindh&dq=ahirs+of+sindh&hl=en&ei=eUWITaXqKcfprQfJqfDaDg&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=2&ved=0CDIQ6AEwAQ —Preceding unsigned comment added by 125.21.182.12 (talk) 06:47, 22 March 2011 (UTC)

Link connects to wrong page

The link for "Mansura" under the heading "Arrival of Islam" connects to the Egyptian city of Mansura. It should connect to the old Pakistani city of Mansura. This one: https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Mansura_%28Brahmanabad%29 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 149.159.141.106 (talk) 21:48, 9 April 2011 (UTC)

Publication elsewhere

Much of this article is also published at [2]. However, while the publisher of that text, the Sindhi government, claims "Copyrights 2005, Agriculture Department, All Rights Reserved", evidence would strongly indicate that it was initially published on Wikipedia.

For example, consider the following:

• The text "importance of the river", present in both documents, enters the Wikipedia article in this edit, but it's missing the content that begins "This civilisation is now identified..." This was added - but with American spelling "civilization" - almost a week later by a different user. The next edit, it was altered by yet another contributor to bring it in like with British spelling, but he left the American in part of the sentence...an oddity reflected in the external source.
• At the time the above text was introduced, the material including "hot in summer and cold in winter" was already in the article. This phrase first entered the article in January 2006.

Evidence suggests they have taken this content from Wikipedia. That's not to say that some of it has not been copied from elsewhere; it is possible that contributors have taken content to which they do not own copyright. But it is unlikely that this material would have been incrementally copied by multiple editors. --Moonriddengirl ^(talk) 19:47, 27 April 2010 (UTC)

It looks like they copied the article from Wikipedia sometime around mid August 2008. Kaldari (talk) 19:55, 14 October 2012 (UTC)

Gateway of Islam

Does anyone have any info on when this title originated? Was it something the Pakistan Movement came up with or does it predate it? (I don't need a history lesson on *what* the title refers to, I can read the article just fine.)93.113.201.93 (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 13:43, 05 April 2013 (UTC)

Ignored

Was not Sindh historically a part of India up to 1947 Partition of India and then became Part of Pakistan? Why it is not mentioned? And what about Separatist Movement in Sindh?Ovsek (talk) 09:11, 5 June 2013 (UTC)

Coordinate error

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The following coordinate fixes are needed for

—197.231.155.22 (talk) 21:44, 21 October 2013 (UTC)

I've altered the coordinates to indicate the approximate center of the province (and changed the type parameter from "city" to "adm1st"). Deor (talk) 09:48, 22 October 2013 (UTC)

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Demographic

The the percentage of languages is wrong , original according to 1998 census can be found here.--2001:16A2:710:8500:1C6A:771A:94B9:1F25 (talk) 19:01, 3 February 2016 (UTC)

Scinde

formerly written as "Scinde" Böri (talk) 13:36, 2 December 2016 (UTC)

Map of early Sindh

Check:

For calculation of ethnicities in Sind post Census 2017.. http://tigerkhan007.blogspot.com/2017/08/pakistan-census-2017-pashtun-population.html — Preceding unsigned comment added by 39.40.28.207 (talk) 10:16, 29 August 2017 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 9 October 2017

Being the responsible citizen of Pakistan, and a research scholar at Department of international relations, at University of Karachi I want to edit and update the details mentioned on this page as per latest Census 2017 which took place in Pakistan after 19 years. Malhan Khan (talk) 18:43, 9 October 2017 (UTC)

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Sindh, Pakistan

‎MNS-katib, could you please explain why you're repeatedly adding "Pakistan" in the name of this region ? The fact that this region is in Pakistan is already stated in the lead of the article.---Wikaviani (talk) 12:46, 24 June 2018 (UTC)

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"Hindh" listed at Redirects for discussion

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Change name to 'Sind'?

Would it not be better to rename the page to 'Sind' considering that was historic name for 'Sindh' in English, and 'Sindh' can simply be a transliteration?:
>> Taimoor Ahmed^{(Send a Message?)} 04:39, 3 August 2021 (UTC)

What matters is the common name now, not the historic one of a century ago. – Uanfala (talk) 10:14, 3 August 2021 (UTC)

It redirects, and the lead has "historically romanized as Sind" upfront, so that's covered imo. Johnbod (talk) 19:13, 3 August 2021 (UTC)

"Sindh" Persian?

I found this sentence in one of the early paragraphs of the article:

The word Sindh is a Persian derivative of the Sanskrit term Sindhu, meaning "river" - a reference to Indus River.

References

-- Kautilya3 (talk) 18:14, 27 September 2021 (UTC)

Vasuniya cites Wendy Doniger, who is not a specialist in Persian or other West Asian languages. So this is to be taken with a grain of salt.

We have Persian inscriptions from the time of Darius I, when it was called Hindush, and those from the time of Shapur I, when it was called "Hindustan". These names were not applied to the whole of Indian subcontinent, just Sindh.

The Arabs, who did not have s > h conversion, used "Hind" for the whole subcontinent and "Sind" for Sindh. I intend to revise the Etymology section along these lines. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 08:51, 2 October 2021 (UTC)

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I wish select in indian army phr dekh na pakistan ki bhn chodunga

Ek din bhagwan bhoole ki dua s pakistan india ka hoga 117.98.8.161 (talk) 17:55, 10 June 2022 (UTC)

Ntjt

Sindh (/ˈsɪnd/; Sindhi: سنڌ; Urdu: سندھ, pronounced [sɪndʱ]; historically romanized as Sind) is one of the four provinces of Pakistan. Located in the southeastern region of the country, Sindh is the third-largest province of Pakistan by total area and the second-largest province by population after Punjab. It shares land borders with the Pakistani provinces of Balochistan and Punjab to the north, respectively, and the Indian states of Gujarat and Rajasthan to the east; it is also bounded by the Arabian Sea to the south. Sindh's landscape consists mostly of alluvial plains 42.111.162.69 (talk) 17:09, 21 August 2022 (UTC)