Talk:Sabrina Carpenter/Archive 1

Sources to be used

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3SY68jlLtHw http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wD0HVdJZ0EY

Birth place?

Sources say that she was born in Bucks county. I don't think that's a part of Leigh valley.

• http://www.imdb.com/name/nm4248775/?ref_=nv_sr_1
• http://www.famousbirthdays.com/people/sabrina-carpenter.html--Chamith (talk) 12:28, 14 October 2014 (UTC)

Her official bio at Disney here says "Originally from Lehigh Valley, Pennsylvania" which is the source of the info in the article. This is pretty authoritative.

IMDb can't be used as a reference for pretty much anything on WIkipedia - see WP:RS/IMDB. Her IMDb bio was written by someone identified as "Michelle", an anonymous contributor who doesn't say where she got her info so it can't be checked.

See WP:Reliable sources/Noticeboard/Archive 153#Is famousbirthdays.com a reliable source for personal information. Concensus is that it is not a reliable source. Looks to be a web scraper that gets its info from other sites such as IMDb and Wikipedia. Geraldo Perez (talk) 14:24, 14 October 2014 (UTC)

Maybe someone should look in an encyclopedia. Oh, wait, I have one right here: "... [P]arts of upper Bucks County around Quakertown, and portions of northeastern Berks County and southern Carbon and Schuylkill counties in Pennsylvania are considered outer parts of the [Lehigh] Valley." General Ization ^Talk 01:38, 21 August 2015 (UTC)

Ooo WP:SARCASM. We did check reliable sources and the reference to support the info in the article says Lehigh Valley, Pennsylvania Nothing more specific is supported by references so we go with what we have. Geraldo Perez (talk) 02:57, 21 August 2015 (UTC)

Inclusion of her dating Bradley Steven Perry in the article

I've made note about this for a couple of months at least, and recent edits adding this info have been unsourced, including one I reverted in the last hour or so [1]. Because of the personal nature of this info (and since dating and relationships can be volatile), and under the guidelines set forth in WP:BLP, it is best to keep out of the article even if there are reliable sources. I also remember reverting this type of edit with a source [2], but I questioned the neutrality of that source (J-14 magazine, which is geared toward teenagers and they'll report it with a bias that will appeal to them). While I am aware of the Selena Gomez-Justin Bieber saga (well-publicized, but we are still needing to keep things objective and neutral when reporting that bit in Wikipedia), I don't know at what point reporting Carpenter's going out with Perry is appropriate (or anyone dating anyone else, in general). It probably will never be. MPFitz1968 (talk) 16:41, 11 February 2015 (UTC)

Somehow I don't think the ephemeral social life of a 15yo will have any long-term significance in the life of this person that needs to be noted in any bio article. However, if something from other than a teen-gossip magazines shows up that shows some significant coverage and thus notability, then inclusion in the article could be supported. Geraldo Perez (talk) 17:44, 11 February 2015 (UTC)

This edit cites Disney Dreaming as a source to back the relationship between Carpenter and Perry, but I am not quite sure to trust this source for reliability (first time I've seen this source used here). As the "About" on that page lists only two co-founders, and I don't have anything to go on about their reputation for fact-checking, I'm leaning toward reverting this edit on the grounds that it's not a high-quality reliable source, which is needed per WP:BLPSOURCES. (Edit: now that I look at that "About" page more closely, it does say it's the "ultimate fan site" — an automatic flag there — so not reliable.) MPFitz1968 (talk) 16:52, 30 April 2015 (UTC)

Assertion of "currently" being girlfriend made by a teen gossip magazine. Extremely unlikely this will ever be of long-term significance. We don't need to document her transient social life - that's why gossip magazines exist. Geraldo Perez (talk) 17:48, 30 April 2015 (UTC)

Is it really true? Miss Katie Jane Rigglar (talk) 22:40, 20 August 2015 (UTC)

Attempted WP:SPLIT of Discography

This edit removed content from the discography section, and User:HeidiHalliwell moved the content into user space before moving it into the article Sabrina Carpenter discography (revision history). Per WP:SPLIT and WP:CWW guidelines, I reverted the edit made here, and made the new article redirect to the discography section. MPFitz1968 (talk) 17:38, 2 May 2015 (UTC)

I do not see the notability nor significance to have a stand-along discography yet.--☾Loriendrew☽ ☏(ring-ring) 20:40, 2 May 2015 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 10 January 2016

Sabrina starred as Wendy in a live theatre production of "Peter Pan" this winter at the Pasadena Playhouse. She starred alongside Kevin Quinn (Peter), Corey Fogelmanis and August Maturo. (Wendy's brothers). This should be added to her Wikipedia Page.

EmmaLyBeck (talk) 11:59, 10 January 2016 (UTC)

 Done--☾Loriendrew☽ ☏(ring-ring) 14:55, 10 January 2016 (UTC)

Wander Over Yonder

For reference, I checked the mentioned episode and she's not listed in the end credits, not even under "Additional voices". nyuszika7h (talk) 15:15, 16 March 2016 (UTC)

The episode number given by the editor was wrong. "The Legend" is S02E28, she is credited there: "Sabrina Carpenter as Melodie". nyuszika7h (talk) 15:20, 16 March 2016 (UTC)

Looks like it was not entirely wrong, as the episode numbering is inconsistent. The episode list article currently counts the 11-minute segments as two separate episodes (and there are some 22-minute ones, in that case only one airs that day). If we count them as a/b of the same episode, "The Legend" is 2x16a. Amazon and iTunes also sell two 11-minute segments as one episodes, so it should probably be changed, but at this point it's getting off-topic here. nyuszika7h (talk) 15:33, 16 March 2016 (UTC)

Since you verified the info by watching the episode credits, that is sufficient and good to note here as List of Wander Over Yonder episodes#ep67 didn't list her as guest cast and was not mentioned on IMDb for the show when I looked. There is a significant discussion at Talk:List of Wander Over Yonder episodes as to why the episodes are numbered the way they are. There is a current proposal to change it. Geraldo Perez (talk) 15:40, 16 March 2016 (UTC)

I didn't check the talk page so I didn't see there was already a discussion about it. Also, I've submitted the credit to IMDb now. ;) nyuszika7h (talk) 15:54, 16 March 2016 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 7 September 2016

The song "Smoke and Fire" is no longer the lead single from Sabrina Carpenter's second album. The afternoon of July 23, "On Purpose" replaced "Smoke and Fire" as the album's lead single and "Smoke and Fire" was excluded from the project as a whole. Next2rain (talk) 22:23, 7 September 2016 (UTC)

 Not done It is not clear from this request what kind of change you want made to the article, plus you have not provided a reliable source to back this claim. MPFitz1968 (talk) 22:44, 7 September 2016 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 29 March 2017

I would like to add that Sabrina Carpenter now voices the character Melissa on Disney Channel's "Milo Murphy's Law" and sings the theme song on Disney Chanel's new show "Andi Mack" premiering on April 7th 2017. I would also like to add that she recently went on her European tour for EVOLution. Riley ol1 (talk) 01:09, 29 March 2017 (UTC)

Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. - Mlpearc (open channel) 01:11, 29 March 2017 (UTC)

 Done @Riley ol1: Thanks for the suggestions! Your first two suggestions are now included in the article, but I didn't add the European leg of the tour to the article. I did a brief Google search and couldn't readily find any reliable sources talking about it. Since we already mention the tour in general, I’m not sure that the European leg is so important. If you disagree or have a better source, we can certainly talk about it. Cheers, -- Irn (talk) 13:50, 8 April 2017 (UTC)

Interesting that nothing is mentioned in the article about her earlier days before 2011, especially on YouTube

I will definitely need to find some reliable, independent sources documenting this period, going back to the summer of 2009. Her original YouTube channel dates back to then and features her covering a bunch of songs from the age of 10 - including Alannah Myles' "Black Velvet", Vanessa Carlton's "A Thousand Miles", and Taylor Swift's "Picture to Burn" (the earliest one I saw on the channel). Even a few originals. No mention of that anywhere in the article - certainly would make her early days more complete. I do remember coming across her name, and her channel on YouTube, well before she landed her role on Girl Meets World, maybe a year or two before. Certainly would be worth reading on how she was discovered by casting agents at GMW, or by others who have seen her early YouTube videos - and no doubt, her singing back then was pretty good. But again, I'll need to find something other than the YouTube channel, preferably in independent sources, before this information can see light in the article. Any help from others to document this period would also be appreciated. MPFitz1968 (talk) 07:24, 13 May 2017 (UTC)

Sisters

I removed the "Personal life" section temporarily in absence of reliable sources, as the YouTube reference is dead, and the Twist Magazine article got their info wrong. Sarah Carpenter is Sabrina's younger, not older, sister. Shannon Carpenter is older than Sabrina, though. I tried looking for better references to use, but haven't found anything so far. Famous Birthdays and IMDb, which would not be reliable sources anyway, also claim Sarah was born in 1996 which is obviously wrong.

Pinging Amaury, Geraldo Perez, IJBall, and MPFitz1968. – nyuszika7h (talk) 10:25, 10 September 2017 (UTC)

Actually, wait, what? Her official (but not verified) Twitter account [3] (confirmed through Sabrina's tweet) also says she was born in 1996. But I'm pretty sure that's wrong. Twitter does not allow setting any birth year more recent than 1997 (and until recently, the limit was 1996 – they bump it up by one sometimes), so she probably set it to that and forgot to change the year part to be only visible to her, which is where the misinformation comes. from. nyuszika7h (talk) 10:28, 10 September 2017 (UTC)

Okay, no, I was wrong. Apparently she is older than Sabrina. [4] [5] I'd say she looks younger than her, I don't know where I heard that or maybe I just assumed so. nyuszika7h (talk) 10:41, 10 September 2017 (UTC)

Relative ages of her sisters is pretty unimportant to this article. Say she has two sisters and leave it at that. Geraldo Perez (talk) 14:34, 10 September 2017 (UTC)

Bradley Steven Perry

What about that she dated Bradley Steven Perry?? Tickletose (talk) 01:37, 3 October 2017 (UTC)

@Tickletose: Refer to the topic at the top Talk:Sabrina Carpenter/Archive 1#Inclusion of her dating Bradley Steven Perry in the article. Transient relationships should not be added, particularly if it's being reported only in teen gossip publications. MPFitz1968 (talk) 01:59, 3 October 2017 (UTC)

Recent edits made by IP range 2602:306:B843:C6C0:/64

They have now made two edits to the article [6][7] concerning the "name" and "instrument" attributes in the infobox. The instructions at Template:Infobox person state for "name": Common name of person (defaults to article name if left blank; provide birth_name (below) if different from name). If middle initials are specified (or implied) by the lead of the article, and are not specified separately in the birth_name field, include them here. The instructions for "instrument", found at Template:Infobox musical artist, state: General class(es) of instrument(s) played by the artist, e.g. guitar or violin. Include singing, rapping, beatboxing and/or scat singing if relevant. ... Instruments listed in the infobox should be limited to only those that the artist is primarily known for using. The instruments infobox parameter is not intended as a WP:COATRACK for every instrument the subject has ever used. As more than one address in the range has been logged in recent edits, not sure how to convey it to the one(s) in the IP range other than the talk page here. Further disruption (if additional different IP addresses come up) might warrant another semiprotection of this article. MPFitz1968 (talk) 21:23, 8 October 2017 (UTC)

Middle name

Sabrina's Twitter username doesn't make the actual spelling of her middle name completely clear. It suggests "Ann Lynn" (which is what we have in the article right now) or perhaps "Ann-Lynn". But ASCAP says "CARPENTER SABRINA ANNLYNN" (all caps) and SACEM says "Sabrina Annlynn CARPENTER". nyuszika7h (talk) 13:59, 29 October 2017 (UTC)

I found an even better reference, Sabrina writing her own name [8], so I've fixed it in the article now. nyuszika7h (talk) 14:46, 10 November 2017 (UTC)

List of works by Sabrina Carpenter

Support split - Discography and filmography take up more than one fourth of the page, and should be split to a new article entitled List of works by Sabrina Carpenter. --Jax 0677 (talk) 04:28, 17 June 2018 (UTC)

• Support - however, as per other artists, it should be titled "Sabrina Carpenter discography" SatDis (talk) 07:11, 17 June 2018 (UTC)
• Support discography split per nom, but Oppose filmography split. Looks like a lot more discography than filmography in the article, and her list of roles in TV and film is not terribly large to necessitate a filmography split. MPFitz1968 (talk) 07:33, 17 June 2018 (UTC)
• As per MPFitz1968, Support discography split, oppose filmography split, and call the split-out Sabrina Carpenter discography. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 15:01, 17 June 2018 (UTC)

BTW, the current Discography tables currently violate WP:ACCESSIBILITY in a major way, so that will need to be fixed, post-split... --IJBall (contribs • talk) 15:03, 17 June 2018 (UTC)

Profile Pictures.

I don't know How to say but That Profile Photo makes me feeling UnConfortable. and also, we should change some photo better in WikiCommns. IJBall, Im New But I Was Trying to find better Picture for her. Just Saying.Ah Ger K (talk) 01:06, 21 September 2018 (UTC)

What's wrong with the current picture? -- irn (talk) 02:32, 21 September 2018 (UTC)

Exactly. That is also my question. Also, the way to do this is to show the three proposed portrait images side-by-side:

Three possible portrait images for Sabrina Carpenter

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  Current image
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  Alternative #1 (.png)
• 
  Alternative #2

Of these, the first has the best "composition" as a portrait image – yes, she's not smiling (not that that is necessary in a portrait image), and yes she's looking off to the side. But it's the best portrait image of these, as it's centered, and the face is in obstructed.

In Alternative #1, there's big microphone in front of her face which pretty much rules it out, IMO. And her head is tilted from center. Also, it's a .png, not a .jpg.

Alternate #2 is even worse than #1 – microphone in front of the face again, and in this one she's looking off to the side, and it's a "full torso shot" rather than a "portrait image".

So, of these options, the current image is clearly the best. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 02:52, 21 September 2018 (UTC)

Since you Said that, Well ok. But Still, I Need a Better photo for Current 2018. Since i found some Better in WikiCommons. well Non of These were potrait Face.Ah Ger K (talk) 07:35, 21 September 2018 (UTC)

It's a common mistake to believe that portrait images need to be the "most current" (i.e. most recent) image. That's not the case – you just need a representative image. And older image that is "better" quality is preferable, most of the time, to a "more recent" image that is not. The only exception is child actors that have aged into adulthood – in those cases, a more recent image is of greater importance. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 12:15, 21 September 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 22 October 2019

Sabrina Carpenter is a songwriter. She writes most of her songs. 42.191.188.195 (talk) 07:13, 22 October 2019 (UTC)

 Not done. Amaury • 07:29, 22 October 2019 (UTC)

Also see above section where this is discussed. Geraldo Perez (talk) 14:52, 22 October 2019 (UTC)

Birthplace

Sabrina Carpenter was born in East Greenville, PA but this wiki page does not reflect that and is protected. Ngraf12345 (talk) 22:17, 21 December 2019 (UTC)

Because there needs to be a WP:Reliable source that verifies that before it can be placed in the article. Right now, the Disney bio is all we have on this... So if you can produce a WP:RS here that includes this info, then it can be added to the article. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 22:24, 21 December 2019 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 18 May 2020

Hello, Please remove the line under photograph "Related to Nancy Cartwright" As she does not want that information included. Nothing to replace. Thank you Dcar61 (talk) 23:26, 18 May 2020 (UTC)

 Not done: WP:NOTCENSORED applies; in any case a verifiable relation to another notable person has little grounds to be removed. RandomCanadian (talk | contribs) 00:02, 19 May 2020 (UTC)

Tagged for primary sources

Hi, I have tagged the article as having too much reliance on primary sources, especially social media such as Instagram. Wikipedia articles are based on reliable secondary sources and, per WP:BLPPRIMARY and WP:SPS, we cannot rely on social media, especially because the inclusion criteria must be considered only by secondary source coverage. Thanks. Elizium23 (talk) 18:01, 11 June 2021 (UTC)

See also WP:ABOUTSELF and WP:BLPPRIVACY for a strong reason to use them when it is appropriate particularly when that is the only source for some types of personal information. WP:BLPPRIMARY is more about using public records and does not negate WP:ABOUTSELF. Geraldo Perez (talk) 18:26, 11 June 2021 (UTC)

Geraldo Perez, if social media is the only source for "some types of personal information" then including that information is decidedly WP:UNDUE. Elizium23 (talk) 18:29, 11 June 2021 (UTC)

If the information in the social media meets the 5 criteria of WP:ABOUTSELF and is something normally included in bio articles such as names and birth info it is not UNDUE. Sometimes that is the only source there is of that sort of info. Going over the article's 100 or so references I don't see the justification for the tag that was added. More useful would be to point out exactly which primary sources you feel are inappropriate for this article. I am having a hard time finding them. Geraldo Perez (talk) 18:41, 11 June 2021 (UTC)

I have been able to excise most of the offending sources. There are still some excessive and irrelevant social media cites (how many times did she need to Tweet about Singular I/II?) but I think it's more under control now that it doesn't especially need to be tagged. Elizium23 (talk) 18:48, 11 June 2021 (UTC)

Frankly, it's more problematic to use "sources" like Twist magazine than it is to use Carpenter's own social media. However, I broadly agree that WP:YOUTUBE sources should almost never be used, so removing all of those is appropriate. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 22:18, 11 June 2021 (UTC)

IJBall, it's worth noting that prnewswire is explicitly listed in WP:RSP as red - totally unreliable except for claims about article authors. Elizium23 (talk) 23:56, 11 June 2021 (UTC)

In this case, it's being used to source the subject's own concert tour – I think that counts. Yes, it would be better to get a secondary source (so, if you find one, great) – but using the press release for that is not "out of bounds" in this case. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 23:59, 11 June 2021 (UTC)

Is Carpenter considered the "author" of the article in PR Newswire? It seems that they sourced it to "Live Nation". According to RSP, we can only take it as valid for claims about Live Nation, unless Carpenter penned this herself? Elizium23 (talk) 00:09, 12 June 2021 (UTC)

WP:COMMONSENSE – Does that tour exist? Did Carpenter have that tour? If so, then a PR about that tour, even if it's not directly from Carpenter, is probably OK as per WP:V. This isn't a blind rule-following bureaucracy. That said, if it bugs you this much, find a secondary source to replace the PR. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 00:15, 12 June 2021 (UTC)

Hmm, I see concertarchives.org will support this tour as well, but that raises the question now: is that site reliable or just a glorified blog? Elizium23 (talk) 00:32, 12 June 2021 (UTC)

I've brought it to Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Noticeboard#Sources for concert tours out of my own curiosity and the fact that concertarchives.org is widely used in WP:MUSIC. Elizium23 (talk) 00:36, 12 June 2021 (UTC)

Olivia Rodrigo

I heard somewhere that she has a feud with Olivia Rodrigo. Is this true? And if so, is it important enough to put in the article? Dobekofcas (talk) 22:02, 17 July 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 7 May 2022

Change current photo to updated picture, possibly a photo from the 2022 Met Gala, as the current photo is 6 years old. 24.104.73.24 (talk) 04:27, 7 May 2022 (UTC)

 Not done for now: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{edit semi-protected}} template. see above discussion Cannolis (talk) 04:49, 7 May 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 16 May 2022

Change "singer and actress" to "singer, songwriter, and actress". Musiclover455 (talk) 02:17, 16 May 2022 (UTC)

 Not done: Per a discussion above from 2019 it has, in the past, been a matter of discussion amongst editors whether the label of songwriter should be applied to Sabrina. That, alongside this request being made for the lead and thus being very visible, I would say this needs consensus first. —Sirdog (talk) 02:48, 16 May 2022 (UTC)

Subject is overly hyped

I did a deep dive into this article a few days ago and found extraordinary promotional wording and descriptions clearly intended to exaggerate and promote the subject, including excessive details related to her announcements about things, excessive details on when and what she did, etc. I removed the most egregious examples, but it is one of the worst examples I have encountered to date of an article clearly intended to promote, not summarize biographically, the subject. I'd suggest other editors keep this in mind if they stumble upon the page or work on it. It's in better shape now but still likely includes excessive details that are not ultimately encyclopedic. Keystone18 (talk) 13:21, 29 August 2022 (UTC)

Regarding Carpenter's birthplace, do not change from the article's long-standing Lehigh Valley, Pennsylvania, to someplace more specific within that region without accompanying the change with a source that meets reliable source guidelines. MPFitz1968 (talk) 17:03, 29 August 2022 (UTC)

Rfc: Lead Image

There are so many images available so I am unsure why we are stuck using an image from 2016. So I think creating a RFC would be helpful in coming towards a consensus. Picture C looks extremely similar to Picture A so I would not see much difference if we change to that. Some thoughts and comments would be helpful. Maxwell King¹²³³²¹ 22:20, 17 February 2022 (UTC)

New lead image

• 
  A (current image)
• 
  B
• 
  C

• For adults, portrait image quality is more important that "currentness". (I don't know why some editors think it "must" be the most recent image! There is certainly no guideline saying that.) Of these three, "B" is the worst as a "portrait" image (not looking straight on, head titled, etc.), so oppose that one. Of the remaining, "C" is OK (though head also tilted here, and not looking straight on...), so "A" is still better. I vote for remaining with "A", though "C" is an OK (backup) choice (just not as good...). --IJBall (contribs • talk) 22:24, 17 February 2022 (UTC)

  I do not like A; the graphic seems off to me. Just thought it was a better change. I agree as per MOS:LEADIMAGE there are no rules on what year it has to be from... so why can't it be from 2020? Just some thoughts. Maxwell King¹²³³²¹ 22:28, 17 February 2022 (UTC)

  Again, for the IB "portrait" image, you want a "headshot" where the subject has their head vertically, and is looking as "straight on" as possible. Of the three choices, "A" is still the best at doing all of this. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 22:31, 17 February 2022 (UTC)

  To add my comment in here, I don't think the position of the subject is the most important here, I think the quality is the most important. See Ariana Grande for a non vertical lead image that's still high quality and fits within guidelines.

  In comparison to A, (which is to be frank quite an ugly and unflattering pic) B or C are far, far, superior. I think you may be reading too much into the positioning of the lead image. If you WP:IAR, it simply boils down to which pic looks prettier. B and C definitely are. shanghai.^{talk to me} 22:53, 21 February 2022 (UTC)

  Except that's your opinion – it's not an "objective truth". FTR, none of the images displayed at Ariana Grande make for good portrait images – they're all bad choices for that, based on the criteria I outlined above. I'm guessing some people don't like the current image because Carpenter is not "smiling", but that's really not a requirement at all. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 23:54, 21 February 2022 (UTC)

• Support C first, then B. I think C's the most pretty pic, maybe crop the pants out a bit so it's just her top? Otherwise yeah, it's a really pretty pic. shanghai.^{talk to me} 16:07, 21 February 2022 (UTC)
• Keep original image: A is a natural image that best shows her normal appearance. C is her making faces and doesn't reflect her natural appearance. B looks more like a natural smile but doesn't show her full face. A straight on image with a natural smile would be best but none of those have that. Geraldo Perez (talk) 00:03, 22 February 2022 (UTC)
  • Change to D Given alternative D I prefer that over the original image. I think it more accurately portrays her normal appearance and is a more natural relaxed image than A. B and C are inferior to both. Geraldo Perez (talk) 17:26, 6 March 2022 (UTC)
• Keep original image: I agree with both IJBall and Geraldo that A is the best image out of the three presented. Amaury • 01:10, 22 February 2022 (UTC)
• Keep original image for all the reasons IJBall gave. Oh, and can somebody start an RFC to change that Ariana Grande image that RogueShanghai mentioned? That is just about the furthest thing from an appropriate encyclopedic image that is still "safe for work". --User:Khajidha (talk) (contributions) 18:18, 23 February 2022 (UTC)

I hope I'm not too late to add to the discussion and I am not trying to make things more complicated but seeing as not everyone wasn't satisfied with the outcome, is okay if I propose a fourth image that could be used?

• 
  A (current image)
• 
  D (JPG)

Picture D has Carpenter with her head vertical and looking straight on, which IJBall said would be the most ideal for an infobox image. Notanyproblems (talk) 23:31, 3 March 2022 (UTC)

Still not as good as A (for one thing, it looks a little blurry), but much better than B or C, IMO. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 23:34, 3 March 2022 (UTC)

I think D is a better photo than A, just a bit less sharp. I think her facial expression is a bit more normal, doesn't have the surprised look of A. Natural smile. Makeup and hair look more natural too. Good composition. Geraldo Perez (talk) 00:27, 4 March 2022 (UTC)

A just seems so unflattering. D looks much better imo. It does not look too blurry + a smile is always nice when coming to a page rather than a look of 'surprise' or 'gasping'. Because there are no major guidelines on lead images except basic info, I say change to D. Maxwell King¹²³³²¹ 01:09, 4 March 2022 (UTC)

The image is in a PNG format, I've uploaded a new JPG version which should make the image sharper. (Note: the original PNG will be deleted shortly since there should be only one version of the file). Notanyproblems (talk) 01:13, 4 March 2022 (UTC)

That smirk in D is nowhere near a "natural expression" As far as "unflattering", you are conflating two ideas 1) designed to make her look bad and 2) not designed to make her look good. Picture A is simply not designed to make her look good, it does not actively make her look bad. --User:Khajidha (talk) (contributions) 17:31, 7 March 2022 (UTC)

• Support change lead image to Picture D. Since I've fixed the blurriness issue, I don't see any other major problems using this image. I think it has better framing/composition than the current one being used. Notanyproblems (talk) 08:31, 6 March 2022 (UTC)
• Picture A is still better. Picture D is too posed and her hair covers the left hand side of her face in shadow. --User:Khajidha (talk) (contributions) 17:28, 7 March 2022 (UTC)
  • That's also what I think. But I would not formally "object" to a switch to D. I just think that A is still somewhat better. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 19:38, 7 March 2022 (UTC)

I can't believe anyone would think that the current picture was preferable to the one identified as "A" above. Or even that they would find it preferable to a blank space. --User:Khajidha (talk) (contributions) 16:12, 17 October 2022 (UTC)

Middle name

AllMusic says it's spelt "Annlyne". 202.7.239.206 (talk) 12:35, 3 June 2023 (UTC)

Please see Talk:Sabrina_Carpenter/Archive_1#Middle_name. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 15:31, 3 June 2023 (UTC)

The current cite in article is pretty weak, it is based off a handwritten response, where the last letter is not very identifiable. It could be an "n", or an "e". ASCAP should be pretty reliable, with the "n" sourcing.--☾Loriendrew☽ ☏(ring-ring) 16:15, 3 June 2023 (UTC)

The signature is hard to read and interpret. Most people don't do script well anymore and signatures sometimes just end up being more of a scribble mark. I'd go with the ASCAP source as that will reflect her real legal name. Geraldo Perez (talk) 16:29, 3 June 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 28 July 2023

It says DIsney Channel not Disney Channel in the intro 107.115.29.9 (talk) 15:55, 28 July 2023 (UTC)

 Done Thank you for your contribution! NotAGenious (talk) 16:09, 28 July 2023 (UTC)

Image change

Is there a proper reason to still be using a dimly-lit, dark photo from when she was still an underage girl? She's nearing her mid 20s and the article is still using a photo of her from when she was 16.

The new image is a better one, and still features her looking into the camera head on and smiling. Lighting looks way brighter and less dim as well

• 
  old
• 
  new!

PHShanghai | they/them (talk) 09:52, 14 September 2023 (UTC)

@Amaury: I opened this talk page discussion yesterday. PHShanghai | they/them (talk) 11:13, 15 September 2023 (UTC)

Okay, and? That's not how this works. Before applying a major change like this, you open a talk page discussion and wait for several others to comment and see if there's consensus for your change or not, especially if your WP:BOLD edit was reverted. Do not edit war. Even if nobody comments, if, say, a week goes by without objections, then you can apply your change. If others do comment, you can apply your change if there's a substantial amount of agreement to the change compared to disagreement. As the first one is clearly not the case now, you need to wait for other editors to comment. Amaury • 18:48, 15 September 2023 (UTC)

@Amaury: Please Wikipedia: Don't be rude and don't be passive-aggressive as if I don't know how Wikipedia works. Otherwise, your combative, rude behavior is not proper for a veteran editor befitting for your standing.

Need I mention that you have not contributed to this article in ten months and that almost all of your edits on this page are all reverting other editors? Granted, some of them do appear to be trolls but your history suggests you haven't contributed any content to this article. PHShanghai | they/them (talk) 05:50, 16 September 2023 (UTC)

I think the new image is better, more natural happy appearance, less surprised look. Geraldo Perez (talk) 13:52, 15 September 2023 (UTC)

Change to new. It's time to change the lead picture to something else. There's no "rules" of what a Wikipedia lead image should be of and therefore I think its high time its changed. Maxwell King¹²³³²¹ 03:59, 16 September 2023 (UTC)

Change as author. PHShanghai | they/them (talk) 05:51, 16 September 2023 (UTC)

3O Response: I am declining your request for a third opinion because there are more than two people involved already. And, it looks like you are on your way to reaching a consensus which is great. Rublamb (talk) 00:53, 18 September 2023 (UTC) Rublamb (talk) 00:53, 18 September 2023 (UTC)

Duly noted. As the 3O request has now been stricken and there hasn't been any further activity, I think the consensus is clear. PHShanghai | they/them (talk) 02:23, 18 September 2023 (UTC)

Mention of Eras Tour in lead

@Ronherry: Instead of edit-warring, please discuss your proposed changes to the page here, as per WP:BRD. As I've stated, as per WP:LEAD, the lead is supposed to "give the basics in a nutshell and cultivates interest in reading on". Quite frankly, Sabrina's career is not defined by her opening act. Additionally, WP:NPOV is a fundamental principle of Wikipedia. If we were being neutral, why would we mention Sabrina opening for Taylor Swift's tour and not her opening for The Vamps or Ariana Grande's tour? Additionally, "Apart from basic facts, significant information should not appear in the lead if it is not covered in the remainder of the article". While performing as an opening act may be significant to Sabrina, it is not covered in the remainder of the article (save one sentence). Maxwell King¹²³³²¹ 11:50, 21 November 2023 (UTC)

Yes, you should study WP:NPOV and keep your personal fan-motivated opinions aside while editing Wikipedia. "Sabrina's career is not defined by her opening act" is your opinion. Not something supported by a source. Whereas, media outlets have widely Carpenter's opening set at the Eras Tour. This same coverage was not present in the case of Grande or The Vamps. So, your comparison is warped. Carpenter says Opening for Taylor Swift Is a ‘Childhood Dream Come True’.A simple Google search yields the links to all the commentary Carpenter has received about the Eras Tour. Lastly, "

BRD is not a justification for imposing one's own view or for tendentious editi". Regards. g. ℛonherry☘ 13:08, 21 November 2023 (UTC)

It is an announcement of a future event, very likely to happen but it hasn't yet. If and when her opening for that particular tour actually happens, and it is considered significant to her career, it should go in the lead. Geraldo Perez (talk) 16:32, 21 November 2023 (UTC)

Please refrain from making assumptions and being WP:RUDE with sayings such as "Yes, you should study WP:NPOV and keep your personal fan-motivated opinions aside while editing Wikipedia". Please refrain from WP:FANCRUFT as you are obviously a Taylor Swift fan. Additionally, a "Childhood Dream Come True" is Sabrina's opinion and no where in that article does it state that it is a career defining moment. Also, her tour with Ariana Grande received significant coverage as per: [9], [10], [11], [12], [13]. If anyone is using "personal fan-motivated opinions" it is certainly you as an obvious Taylor Swift fan. Maxwell King¹²³³²¹ 21:34, 21 November 2023 (UTC)

None of your lawyering and misuse of Wikipedia policies is going to change the fact that you're constantly removing prose that is cited to multiple reliable sources, which in itself is purely unconstructive , disruptive and biased. I'm not the Christina Aguilera fan here that has made sure to decorate the article with her image. I suggest a WP:RFC to see what other editors, who are unrelated to this dispute, say about your incessant removal of solidly sourced prose in both the body and lead. ℛonherry☘ 14:40, 22 November 2023 (UTC)

Ronherry, actually, the WP:ONUS is on you to prove to an RfC that the content has merit for inclusion; the version without this mention is the stable version of the article; you keep edit warring to include the content. As this dispute is between you and Maxwell, I advise to follow through with content dispute methods such as the RfC. PHShanghai | they/them (talk) 08:00, 23 November 2023 (UTC)

Ronherry, please refrain from referring to me as and saying things such as "how many times a Christina Aguilera fan tries to censor what Carpenter has stated herself". As per WP:NOPA, "Comment on content, not the contributors" - for the record I am not even a massive Christina fan, I just enjoy editing her pages alongside others. Additionally, saying thing such as "Oh, that's it" can be considered a threat and I will not tolerate that sort of responses. Apart from that, your rudeness and hostility has quite frankly put me off from editing this page. You yourself are a massive Taylor Swift fan as known widely yet I am not referring to you as that "Taylor Swift fan trying to make Sabrina look bad" apart from your obvious biased edits. The only final thing I have to say is that I back out of the RFC so you do what you want with the page. I will not be responding further thanks. Maxwell King¹²³³²¹ 04:11, 25 November 2023 (UTC)

I'm not going to respond to all of your grandstanding and attempts at steering away from the subject of this talk topic. But, well, if you really mean what you said in your reply above, you should have taken your own advice and not referred me to as a "Taylor Swift fan" first to discredit me of my contributions. If you're going to preach a Wikipedia policy to a fellow editor, then please be sure to follow it yourselves. Thanks. And by the way, you are invited to share your thoughts in the Rfc below this topic. Regards. ℛonherry☘ 12:12, 25 November 2023 (UTC)

The difference is mentioning Christina Aguilera had nothing to do with the topic at hand and you pulled that out of nowhere to try to insult and threaten Maxwell. Many people, not just him, have raised concerns about your WP:OWN issues on Swift pages, when you go as far as to attack other people's edit histories.

Need I say that some people know how you act off-wiki? Where you talked about purposefully adding negative tendentious unsourced content to BTS and Ariana Grande articles under your old username? With a clear pattern of negative comments about the article subjects you edit that *aren't* Swift. What Maxwell is saying is that you consistently act passive aggressively all the time in wikispace and you are always consistently fighting with so many people.

Bawin, acting like a huge dick doesn't make yours any bigger. PHShanghai | they/them (talk) 16:17, 30 November 2023 (UTC)

Rfc on mention of opening the Eras Tour in the lead

The following discussion is an archived record of a request for comment. Please do not modify it. No further edits should be made to this discussion. A summary of the conclusions reached follows.

Consensus was reached to include the fact. ℛonherry☘ 18:54, 1 January 2024 (UTC)

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Sabrina Carpenter is an opening act of the Eras Tour by Taylor Swift. Should this fact be mentioned in the lead? ℛonherry☘ 17:17, 23 November 2023 (UTC)

• Yes. Carpenter has received extensive press coverage for the opening the tour in various locations and for her opening-act performances and fashion. Multiple reliable sources and Carpenter herself consider it one of the defining moments of her career.

Let me quote here what some of the reliable publications are calling her:

1. The pop star, 24, who is currently opening for the Latin American leg of Taylor Swift's Eras Tour, opened up about experiencing what feels like a full-circle, career-defining moment – People
2. "Night one felt unlike any crowd I've ever played to before," says Carpenter. – Vogue
3. Sabrina Carpenter shimmered on stage at Taylor Swift's "The Eras Tour" concert on Thursday in Mexico City. The singer, who performed as the night's opening act, wore a custom dress from Ukrainian designer Frolov. – Women's Wear Daily
4. Sabrina Carpenter might still be opening for Taylor Swift on the Eras Tour, but she's personally entering her own holiday era. – Rolling Stone
5. Sabrina Carpenter has been covering some iconic songs during her run with Taylor Swift on The Eras Tour. First, she made her tour debut in Mexico City with Selena's 1995 hit "Dreaming of You", and recently she took the stage in Argentina and sang ABBA's well-loved track "Dancing Queen". – American Songwriter
6. When it comes to modern pop stardom, no one is doing it quite like Sabrina Carpenter at the moment — so much so that Taylor Swift, who is currently still on her Eras Tour, took notice of the "Nonsense" artist and decided to take her on tour as an opener. – Bustle
7. Can you imagine being on the Eras tour with Taylor Swift? At just 24 years old, Sabrina Carpenter is living that reality. – Refinery29
8. It's been an exciting year for Sabrina Carpenter, who is fresh off her Emails I Can’t Send Tour and just kicked off her stint opening for Taylor Swift on the Latin America leg of the Eras tour. – Billboard
9. Sabrina Carpenter joined Taylor Swift's The Eras Tour in Mexico City for her first show as an opening act. In honor of this feat, she opened up in an interview with Billboard about just how much the opportunity meant to her. - Uproxx

ℛonherry☘ 17:49, 23 November 2023 (UTC)

• Yes per Ronherry's sources above. Nothing extensive, but a brief mention is appropriate. Sergecross73 msg me 18:32, 23 November 2023 (UTC)

Yes. Given it's the second-highest grossing concert tour of all time, and with a good shot at taking the top spot by the end of next year, surely that alone would warrant mention for anyone who participated in it. And then you factor in the sources Ronherry gathered and I think it's a complete no-brainer. QuietHere (talk | contributions) 22:45, 23 November 2023 (UTC)

Yes per Ronherry. HorrorLover555 (talk) 19:16, 24 November 2023 (UTC)

• No. While Sabrina Carpenter's participation in the Taylor Swift Eras Tour should be included in the article, it should not be in the lead. This is an encyclopedic article, not a newspaper of current events. The Eras tour is very topical right now in 2023 (see WP:RECENT, but in the big picture, it is not lead-worthy. Adding this to the lead now gives an imbalanced focus on recent events. Sabrina Carpenter's career is larger than her participation in the Eras tour, and the lead needs to be written with a historical perspective. Sergeant Curious (talk) 10:00, 15 December 2023 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

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