Talk:SCP Foundation/Archive 2

Archive 1

Archive 2

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Scp-055

Scp-055 is the Anti-meme or the self keeping secret sine it has the ability to make everyone forget it exists and no one remembers what it really is. 98.17.210.166 (talk) 02:22, 19 May 2023 (UTC)

Yep, that's what the article says, pretty much. What of it? Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 08:17, 19 May 2023 (UTC)

May I help translate this page to Estonian?

I was wondering if I could translate this page for my fellow Estonian speakers, who aren't fluent in English. MisterFromEstonia (talk) 15:45, 28 May 2023 (UTC)

@MisterFromEstonia, welcome to Wikipedia! Almost certainly yes (unless Estonian WP has some rule against it, which seems unlikely), but as with everything else around here, there are rules etc. Start with reading Wikipedia:Translate us and take it from there. Since you intend to edit Estonian WP, you have to seek advice and guidance there. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 19:31, 28 May 2023 (UTC)

Primary refs in the Examples of SCPs section

I see someone has again added primary refs, scp-wiki.wikidot.com/, to all the items in the Examples of SCPs section. These are unnecessary per the WP-pov, edges into WP:FANCRUFT and just clutter in the ref-section, article already links to the scp website. Any objection to removing them? Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 09:53, 29 May 2023 (UTC)

Removed them. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 11:22, 1 June 2023 (UTC)

That's not fancruft. That's like saying the content of a book is fancruft, in the article dedicated to that book. scp-wiki.wikidot.com is where all of those SCPs are written and originate from. Germanater09 (talk) 00:22, 22 July 2023 (UTC)

And in a WP-article on a book, that book is rarely used as source, outside MOS:PLOTSOURCE. Here, they're just slightly promo-ish clutter. The reason these examples are here is that there is a decent independent ref to use. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 08:03, 22 July 2023 (UTC)

SCP-096

SCP-096 is also a well known SCP. Add it to the page. Villager3222 (talk) 09:32, 29 May 2023 (UTC)

Per WP-philosophy like WP:PROPORTION, the Examples of SCP section will only include SCP:s that independent (of https://scp-wiki.wikidot.com/, author, publisher etc) WP:RS has bothered to notice and write something about, you can see examples of references in that section. No blogs, wikis, social media, etc, etc etc. So, what have you got? Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 09:46, 29 May 2023 (UTC)

I'm curious, why can't the source be https://scp-wiki.wikidot.com/? I mean, that's literally where the SCP Foundation and all the SCPs are written. That's the most reliable source in this case. Germanater09 (talk) 00:20, 22 July 2023 (UTC)

Because we're largely here to summarize independent WP:RS. If no independent WP:RS bothered to write about SCP-096, WP won't either. The reason there is a WP-article about the SCP Foundation is that independent WP:RS did bother to write about it (WP:GNG).

But the internet is vast, and there are other places to write about SCP-096. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 08:39, 22 July 2023 (UTC)

Not allowing the use of scp-wiki.wikidot.com is honestly ridiculous.

scp-wiki.wikidot.com is the official SCP site, where all of the SCPs, tales, GoIs, etc. are written, greenlit, and published. It is as reliable of a source about the SCP Foundation as you can get. Germanater09 (talk) 00:27, 22 July 2023 (UTC)

It's not a question of reliability here ('factual accuracy' isn't relevant here as this is all made up) but of notability, which is a function of external attention. There's tons of stuff about GAW and Ambrose Restaurants on the Wikidot site, but where is there anything to support real-world interest? DS (talk) 04:10, 22 July 2023 (UTC)

In WP-lingo, the question falls more under WP:NPOV than WP:N, in the sense that notability is about if there should be an article at all. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 10:01, 22 July 2023 (UTC)

In WP-land, it's a WP:SPS WP:ABOUTSELF source, with very limited use beyond WP:EL. The point of a WP-article is to try to summarize independent WP:RS. If you want to read scp-wiki.wikidot.com, read scp-wiki.wikidot.com. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 08:07, 22 July 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 5 August 2023

Change "SCP-087 (2012) is a (...)" to "SCP-087-B (2012) is a (...)" under "Video games" subheading (incorrect name, see: https://www.scpcbgame.com/scp-087-b.html) Drewskiac (talk) 07:29, 5 August 2023 (UTC)

 Done, but I used this citation instead because it contained the 2012 release date.

References

Xan747 ✈️ 🧑‍✈️ 11:27, 5 August 2023 (UTC)

Phrasing question

In the phrase "new articles are frequently written by contributors," what is the intended meaning? Compare: 1. new articles are frequently written by contributors. 2. new articles are written frequently by contributors.

The latter, I think, indicates that articles happen frequently, and that they are (all) written by contributors. The former (and current phrasing) feels more like it's claiming something about the authorship: the new articles are most frequently written by contributors, but some are written by people who aren't contributors.

As the latter concept makes no sense to me (but might be the case; I'm not heavily involved with the site), it seems like it should be rephrased to "written frequently," but I don't want to take that step myself in case I'm simply out of touch with the way the terms relate to that site. Kilyle (talk) 00:04, 10 August 2023 (UTC)

You are correct. It's not possible that only some of the articles are written by contributors, as by publishing an article the author is contributing. I'll make the change. -- KomradeKalashnikov (talk) 14:28, 14 August 2023 (UTC)

I prefer the new phrasing, but if we want to get real technical about it, people who have been banned from contributing would probably not be considered contributors anymore. For example, Max Landis wrote an SCP once, but then got banned over... well, I guess I'll have to describe it as "allegations". Does he count as a contributor? (Note: the article in question is widely considered to be a low quality relic of a time on the site when the standards were lower... does that change your answer?)

Food for thought. casualdejekyll 14:41, 14 August 2023 (UTC)

I would disagree, people who have been banned cannot contribute new works or edits, but they are still considered contributors because their work is still hosted on the site, and their names are maintained in attribution records. aismallard (talk) 14:57, 14 August 2023 (UTC)

Update on the Confinement situation

the animated series "Confinement" mentioned in the article has been voluntarily canceled due to a scandal with its creator. Instead of the eight episode, its creator published a pornographic animation of the main character and subsequently deleted all episodes. 109.118.91.179 (talk) 19:36, 19 July 2023 (UTC)

I decided to keep the mention to a simple "was" (an animated series), as I felt diving into or even mentioning the bizarre and complicated controversies involved with Confinement is irrelevant for most people, and should probably be kept to Reddit and YouTube. Thankfully there were multiple YouTube accounts who archived the series before deletion, so people can check out the original content in the first reference (SCP Confinement Archive). Silverleaf81 (talk) 14:58, 14 August 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 15 August 2023

please I have an idea to add 197.184.181.83 (talk) 14:51, 15 August 2023 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. — Paper9oll (🔔 • 📝) 16:24, 15 August 2023 (UTC)

Also, if you want to write SCP-fiction, you're on the wrong website. Try https://scp-wiki.wikidot.com/. Or your blog. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 16:34, 15 August 2023 (UTC)

A source

There's an article in Case Western Reserve Law Review about the Foundation as a case study for problems with the concept of Creative Commons - in particular, the Duksin mess. Anyone feel like extracting details? DS (talk) 21:35, 10 December 2023 (UTC)