Talk:River Poddle

Related watercourses

Are articles possible on the City Watercourse, Colman's Brook, etc.

And on other small Dublin rivers, such as The Swan, The Wad and The Steyne (the one under Stephen's Green)? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.123.122.161 (talk) 00:01, 1 March 2009 (UTC)

Plaque at confluence?

Is there a plaque or information to mark the confluence point and rigid of ‘Dublin’?WisDom-UK (talk) 00:03, 16 August 2020 (UTC)

No, sadly. A set of Poddle markers has been discussed once or twice, from western Tallaght through Tymon Park, Kimmage, Mount Argus and so on, but for now, not even a little plaque at the outfall - or, even more usefully, opposite it. SeoR (talk) 16:55, 16 August 2020 (UTC)

• origin.

Sad. ☹️ WisDom-UK (talk) 19:09, 16 August 2020 (UTC)

Yes. But with the clarification of "origin" above, some good news - the Black Pool, Dubh Linn, which lay outside the then walls of Dublin Castle, is commemorated with a circular garden and plaque inside the modern castle walls. SeoR (talk) 23:36, 16 August 2020 (UTC)

Abbey

More about the Abbey that twisted the river? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.220.236.3 (talk) 15:01, 12 February 2021 (UTC)

I can address this from existing and next source. It was, by the by, the Abbey of St Thomas, south of Thomas St., which was named for it. SeoR (talk) 17:48, 12 February 2021 (UTC)

Did you know nomination

The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by MeegsC (talk) 13:53, 23 March 2021 (UTC)

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• ... that flooding by the River Poddle led to the moving of the graves of Dean Swift of Gulliver's Travels and his friend Stella - and a pool on the same river gave Dublin its name? Source: Swift and Stella - Doyle, Joseph W. (January 2018). The Rivers and Streams of the Dublin Region. Dublin, Ireland: Rath Eanna Research. pp. 50–53.
  Name - Little, George A. (1945–1946). "Pre-Norse Dublin - Part 1: The Name". Dublin Historical Record. 8 (1): 1–4. Dubh .. meaning dark or black .. and lin(n) .. not merely as "pool" but as "riverpool" ( ...flows through boglands which supply to the water their dark amber hue...)
  • ALT1:... that flooding by the River Poddle led to the moving of the graves of Dean Swift, author of Gulliver's Travels and A Modest Proposal, and his friend Stella, within St Patrick's Cathedral, Dublin? Source: Swift and Stella - Doyle, Joseph W. (January 2018). The Rivers and Streams of the Dublin Region. Dublin, Ireland: Rath Eanna Research. pp. 50–53.

** ALT2:... that Dubh Linn, a peaty pool on the River Poddle where it joins the Liffey, gave Dublin its name, and the same river was also the city's main source of water for over half a millennium? Source: Dubh Linn pool, peatiness and city name - Little, George A. (1945–1946). "Pre-Norse Dublin - Part 1: The Name". Dublin Historical Record. 8 (1): 1–4. Dubh .. meaning dark or black .. and lin(n) .. not merely as "pool" but as "riverpool" ( ...flows through boglands which supply to the water their dark amber hue...), Role in city - Doyle, Joseph W. (January 2018). The Rivers and Streams of the Dublin Region. Dublin, Ireland: Rath Eanna Research. pp. 50–53 / also Sweeney, Clair L. and also McEntee and Corcoran, etc.

• • ALT3:... that the River Poddle was the main source of water for Dublin homes and industrial users for over 500 years, and had its own tax to manage flooding risk from the time of Charles II? Source: Role in city - Doyle, Joseph W. (January 2018). The Rivers and Streams of the Dublin Region. Dublin, Ireland: Rath Eanna Research. pp. 50–53 / also Sweeney, Clair L. and also McEntee and Corcoran, etc.
  • ALT4:... that the River Poddle's role in the growth of Dublin is referenced multiple times in James Joyce's Finnegans Wake, and that the name of the city comes from a pool on that river? Source: Joycean aspects - D'Arcy, Anne MArie (2013). "Vartryville: Dublin's Water Supply and Joyce's Sublation of Local Givernment". The Joyce Studies Annual. 2013: 252–294, Name - Little, George A. (1945–1946). "Pre-Norse Dublin - Part 1: The Name". Dublin Historical Record. 8 (1): 1–4. Dubh .. meaning dark or black .. and lin(n) .. not merely as "pool" but as "riverpool" ( ...flows through boglands which supply to the water their dark amber hue...)
  • ALT5:... that the River Poddle, main water source of the city of Dublin for over 500 years, was later so polluted by industry that it allegedly killed cattle and horses drinking from it? Source: Role in city - Doyle, Joseph W. (January 2018). The Rivers and Streams of the Dublin Region. Dublin, Ireland: Rath Eanna Research. pp. 50–53 / also Sweeney, Clair L. and also McEntee and Corcoran, etc., Pollution - McEntee, Don; Corcoran, Michael (2016). "5 (The Poddle)". The Rivers Dodder & Poddle (Dublin City History Engineering, 3) (1st ed.). Dublin, Ireland: Four Courts Press. pp. 51–63.
  • ALT6:... that flooding by the River Poddle led to the moving of the graves of satirist Jonathan Swift and his partner Stella Johnson within St Patrick's Cathedral, Dublin? Source: Swift and Stella - Doyle, Joseph W. (January 2018). The Rivers and Streams of the Dublin Region. Dublin, Ireland: Rath Eanna Research. pp. 50–53.
  • ALT7:... that the River Poddle was the main source of water for half a millennium for Dublin, the city being named from a "dark pool" on the river? Source: Dubh Linn pool, peatiness and city name - Little, George A. (1945–1946). "Pre-Norse Dublin - Part 1: The Name". Dublin Historical Record. 8 (1): 1–4. Dubh .. meaning dark or black .. and lin(n) .. not merely as "pool" but as "riverpool" ( ...flows through boglands which supply to the water their dark amber hue...), Role in city - Doyle, Joseph W. (January 2018). The Rivers and Streams of the Dublin Region. Dublin, Ireland: Rath Eanna Research. pp. 50–53 / also Sweeney, Clair L. and also McEntee and Corcoran, etc.

• Comment: Expanded in recent days, 5x per DYK Check (and that's without 1036 additional characters not counted by DYK check per known issue with bulleted lines).

Sorry for so many hooks, but there are many angles to the Poddle. 7th nomination, QPQ applicable and performed a couple of weeks back - Template:Did you know nominations/Konrad Rupf

5x expanded by SeoR (talk). Self-nominated at 21:23, 21 February 2021 (UTC).

• This article is a fivefold expansion and is new enough and long enough. The hook facts are largely cited inline (but not ALT6), the article is neutral and I detected no copyright issues. You have had exactly five DYKs and now need to do a QPQ. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 07:29, 16 March 2021 (UTC)

• Many thanks Cwmhiraeth. I will add referencing to ALT6, which is a cut-down version of ALT1, based on Reviewer feedback. This is my 7th nomination (1 in 2019, 3 in 2020, 3 in 2021), I think, and I have done 4 reviews to date, so I was offering Template:Did you know nominations/Konrad Rupf for this case, but - I am happy to do another too. My record is at User:SeoR#DYK and GA work. SeoR (talk) 12:47, 16 March 2021 (UTC)

• Hi Cwmhiraeth, new QPQ review added, Kolja Lessing, will take away the previous one. I hope this helps. SeoR (talk) 17:07, 18 March 2021 (UTC)

• Thank you. This nomination is good to go. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 19:54, 18 March 2021 (UTC)

SeoR, I went to promote this, but see that there are a number of "citation needed" tags. These will need to be sorted before it can run. MeegsC (talk) 14:01, 21 March 2021 (UTC)

• Thanks. I see two, will check for more, and will ping when done. SeoR (talk) 17:05, 21 March 2021 (UTC)

• Hi MeegsC, thanks again, all citations handled. SeoR (talk) 23:13, 21 March 2021 (UTC)

• Replacing tick. All hooks approved apart from ALT6. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 07:01, 22 March 2021 (UTC)

• SeoR "and the powers were later in turn transferred to Dublin Corporation." in the The Poddell (Poddle) Commission section appears to be unreferenced. It might be in reference 29, but that reference is a broken link. SL93 (talk) 02:07, 23 March 2021 (UTC)

• Thanks SL93, strange how quickly a link can go dead - I have now replaced it with a reference to the law itself, which I finally located in volume form, and added a second reference to cover both that point and the onward transfer of powers to Dublin Corporation. SeoR (talk) 12:28, 23 March 2021 (UTC)

• Restoring approval. SL93 (talk) 13:38, 23 March 2021 (UTC)

Hold pending citation

• There is a pond hidden behind the rear wall of the Circle K service station in central Kimmage.

External links pruned, for replacement if possible

Municipal water supply:

• A history of Dublins' water supply

Archaeology and history:

• Details of stones found in the Poddle culvert in 1901
• Details of finds near the Poddle culvert
• Dublin Castle History – mentions of the Poddle

Visits

What about documented visits - Clair Sweeney, some TV crew, Karl Whitney about a decade ago, Patrick Freyne of the Irish Times just recently?