Talk:Rio de Janeiro bid for the 2016 Summer Olympics

Further pared down editing

I had removed the "Ad" tag a few weeks ago when I reduced some of the flowery writing on this page. I have gone through the sections I didn't hit earlier. Although I deleted some material, it was mostly unneeded refs, over used phrases, or primarily, info on the general bidding process that is covered (and which was cut and paste) from the 2016 Olympic Bids page. There were also some sections, specifically in the venues section that were written at different times and needed more intergration, eg introducing the same material twice. If an editor thinks I have made some errors, please let me know, no harm was intended.-Cbradshaw (talk) 22:32, 22 September 2008 (UTC)

Sports Listed

I'm thinking this can't be a confirmed list of the sports (in the locations section). Both baseball and softball haven't been officially added back to the Olympic program, while Rollerskating hasn't been put on the program at all (though I know it may be a possibility). And will futsal be a demonstration sport or what? Bettyfizzw1 (talk) 23:48, 22 September 2008 (UTC)

Great question. Those are the venues from the 2007 Pan American Games, which will use most of the same venues. That should be clearer in the article, no doubt! Thanks for pointing it out-03:16, 23 September 2008 (UTC)

It should talk about having it duiring the winter, because they are south of the equater

someonw should research. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.172.149.113 (talk) 07:46, 20 December 2008 (UTC)

It already does. There is a section addressing the dates and how they were chosen. Anyway, it's a moot point as the weather in Rio is tropical so the winter is not too different than the summer. Cbradshaw (talk) 09:01, 20 December 2008 (UTC)

B-Class Review

Hello everyone, I would propose a structure for the article, which could be used in other articles on Olympic bids. Some parts are already successful present in the article, some were implemented but need to review, and other parts should complete the article.

This will organize better the article and be more aesthetically beautiful. The bytes required above do not include the load of references, only the raw text. Detailed information on Politics, Finance and Infrastructure will be moved to the main articles: "Politics of Rio de Janeiro 2016 Olympic bid", "Finance of Rio de Janeiro 2016 Olympic bid" and "Infrastructure of Rio de Janeiro 2016 Olympic bid". Regards; Felipe Menegaz 03:16, 7 March 2009 (UTC)

Ok. Here are the changes you requested. I've deleted a whole wodge of hugely content-free self-promoting 'ad talk' from the 'bidding' section, leaving only the actual facts mentioned. Most of the entire 'Marketing' section was removed as it was also puffery with bad grammar. 'Political support' merged with 'politics'. More to come. Sorry, but you asked for my edits, so here they come. Natecull (talk) 10:31, 16 March 2009 (UTC)

Second edit. I've trimmed the rest of the page except the 'Accommodation' and 'Transport' sections which still severely need summarisation. Good luck from here on. Don't make the page bigger than it is now. Natecull (talk) 10:52, 16 March 2009 (UTC)

You helped a lot. Thank you very much for the editions. Felipe Menegaz 16:06, 16 March 2009 (UTC)

Candidate File

Is it possible that a three-volume, 568-page candidature file be 2.5-metre tall and weigh 700 kilos? I hardly believe so. Even though it is what appears in the source, I'm more inclined to say that these figures are for the stack of 100 copies of the Candidature File, requested by the IOC. Parutakupiu (talk) 16:31, 23 May 2009 (UTC)

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Comments

Lead

• "Rio de Janeiro was chosen over São Paulo by the Brazilian Olympic Committee (BOC) as the national postulant city for the XXXI Olympiad in September 1, 2006, starting a process of ten years until the Olympics." - This is fairly nonsensical to me. Selecting Rio did not start a process of ten years to the Olympics, the passage of time starts this. I might suggest simply ending this sentence at "...in September 1, 2006."
  •  Done Change from "starting a process of ten years until the Olympics" to "during its Annual Assembly". Felipe Menegaz 16:02, 21 May 2009 (UTC)
• Also, "in September 1" reads awkwardly, as "on September 1" is more normal to me. Is the use of "in" rather than "on" for dates common usage for South American speakers of English? If so, then this is fine
  • Should I change everything from "in" to "on"? Felipe Menegaz 16:28, 21 May 2009 (UTC)
    • Only if "in" is not common English usage where you are. It reads awkwardly to me as it is, but at the same time, so do many Britishisms when I read articles in UK English.

Candidature process

• "The Rio de Janeiro 2016 Candidate File is 2.50 m (8 ft 2 in) in height, and 700 kilograms (1,500 lb) in weight" I admire the attention to detail, but is this statement really necessary?
  • Well, this statement should be removed in the amendments of October 2, 2009, when will be replaced with more relevant information about the Election Results. Felipe Menegaz 16:07, 21 May 2009 (UTC)

Candidature details

• "In May 4, 2009, the ROCOG accused the Madrid Organizing Committee for the Olympic Games (MOCOG) to sent a spy to Rio de Janeiro during the inspection of the candidature, considering filing a formal ethics complaint with the IOC." This statement begins in the past-tense, and ends in the future-tense. I would imagine that at this point, the ROCOG is no longer considering filing a complant - either they did, or they did not. If they did not, I'd simply change it to say they "considered filing a complaint." If they did file one, however, could you include what came of that?
  •  Done Change from "considering filing a formal ethics complaint with the IOC" to "considered filing a formal ethics complaint with the IOC". Felipe Menegaz 16:11, 21 May 2009 (UTC)
  • I don't know what exactly passed. The ROCOG and the MOCOG have not spoken officially about the case, and the media has not developed the story. So I think that there was no formal complaint with the IOC. Felipe Menegaz 16:55, 21 May 2009 (UTC)

General

• Dates should not be linked per MOS:UNLINKDATES unless the date articles themselves are relevant.
  •  Done Removed all dates links. Felipe Menegaz 16:39, 21 May 2009 (UTC)
• You've done a fantastic job of presenting all of the positive aspects of Rio's bid. However, I do find the general absence of the drawbacks and concerns to be interesting. While the crime issue is given a brief mention, I would be interested in knowing why Rio scored as low as it did based on their Application File. Is it possible to expand this a little? I will admit that a quick Google search has not proven fruitful, so there may well not be any great possibility for expansion.
  • There is no great controversy about the candidature of Rio de Janeiro. There is no kind of protest against the bid or popular opposition. The two major controversies are duly mentioned in the article: between the IOC, the ROCOG and the DOCOG (the choice of Rio de Janeiro over Doha despite the evaluation scores), and between the ROCOG and the MOCOG (the spying scandal). In addition, flaws in technical issues such as safety and transportation should be detailed in the main article: Infrastructure of the Rio de Janeiro bid for the 2016 Summer Olympics. Felipe Menegaz 16:26, 21 May 2009 (UTC)
• Sources and images look good.

Overall, however, very detailed, and well written. As I noted, I will be gone for the weekend, but I have little doubt that I will be passing this when I return. Cheers, Resolute 15:47, 21 May 2009 (UTC)

All now looks good. As such, I am passing this as a GA. Resolute 22:38, 27 May 2009 (UTC)

Peer Review

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Gratuitous feedback

• of which some 1,700 are located in apart-hotels in the city and more than 13,000 in hotels throughout Rio de Janeiro - are the city and Rio the same thing in this sentence? Casliber (talk · contribs) 09:56, 24 August 2009 (UTC)

Yes. Felipe Menegaz 00:25, 25 August 2009 (UTC)

Popular support

"Rio de Janeiro has full political backing and strong popular support."

The last part of the sentence is not true. Many Brazilians were against Rio's candidacy, argumenting that it was too much money to be spent by an underdeveloped country which still has enourmous social problems to address (hundreds of thousands of dollars were spent only with Rio's campaign). As the chances of Rio to win the bid were low, these critics were not voicing their concerns actively. But after the result was announced, the criticism is becoming more and more apparent on the press. Many believe there will be countless cases of corruption involving the huge sums of money involved (around US$ 15 billion just to start off). Companies dealing with the government in Brazil (in any level, from local authorities to the federal government) usually pay to the elected politicians between 10% and 20% in every contract in order to be favored, and because of that most contracts are overvaluated by this amount or even more. This practice is so deeply rooted in Brazilian culture that no one really believes it can be eliminated in an easy way (and this practice also explains the full political backing to the Rio's proposal). The article would benefit from having such contrary opinions added to it. Capmo (talk) 06:31, 6 October 2009 (UTC)

That is not true. The vast majority of the population of Rio de Janeiro supported the bid. The International Olympic Committee Evaluation Report (pg 89) shows 84.5% of public support. Your "theory" is POV, biased, and discriminative. Limongi (talk) 23:04, 10 October 2009 (UTC)

As per Limongi. Felipe Menegaz 16:04, 14 October 2009 (UTC)

Limongi says that "the vast majority of the population of Rio de Janeiro supported the bid", but he forgets that Brazil is not Rio alone. I'll cite just a few excerpts that support my "theory", taken from articles published in the days after the result was announced:

“ Let's take the example of the 2007 Pan American Games: Five years before, in 2002, when Rio bid to receive the competition, the Brazilian Olympic Committee estimated the total cost to be R$ 414 million. The municipality would pay the majority of this value. Around 20% would come from private investors. At the end of it all, the cost had risen to R$ 3,7 billion - 9 times higher! Evidently, more that half of this money came from federal resources; almost nothing from private companies.
There's not much doubt that the Games will benefit different people in different proportions. I'm not even going to mention the infrastructure contractors and politicians, especially those connected to the Organization Committee, whose profits tend to be obscene. ” — Hélio Schwartsman, Olympic Nightmare

“ The Olympic Games will not save Rio - it doesn't need to be saved, by the way. What it needs to do is solve its serious social problems. It needs to have more economical development, as the rest of Brazil also needs. In a lesser degree, the Pan American Games were publicized as the solution to a great deal of the city's problems. For a short time, the city became cleaner, safer and was even beautified. But the enhancements to the urban spaces were transitory. The Pan left behind an insignificant heritage.
It's incredible how any criticism or negative news about the city is soon labeled as "campaign against Rio". This week, the news in the international press about the presence of organized crime in the poor areas of Rio and the absence of the State in these same areas was soon interpreted as a guerrilla force against the choice of Rio to host the Olympic Games. Bullshit. There's no use in fighting to hide the reality ... ” — Kennedy Alencar, Rio deserves more than just the Olympiad

“ I have many and excellent carioca friends, and even felt as a carioca myself when I lived there, and I have no doubts or illusions about the city's problems, which are many and serious ones.
Problems that had good chances to be addressed, at least in part, during events as the Eco 92, or more recently, and more related to the choice to host the Olympic Games, the realization of the Pan American Games.
During Eco 92, what could have been true and effective urban interventions were reduced to a few reforms, the majority of which were just maquillages aimed at the most exposed parts of the city, as the seacoast, that was remodelled.
For the Pan, modern installations were created, but at a shameful cost for the public coffers, with balances that never matched during reconciliations and with responsabilities that were never properly attributed.
Besides that, drug trafficking continues to dominate the city hills, slums grow and multiply as if they were a virus propagating through a sick body (or could it be that the slum is the body itself?), tourists keep being assaulted and citizens live in a constant state of alert.
The Olympic Games will be one more chance, in fact the last chance from my point of view, for Rio to face its chronic problems with courage and efficiency. ” — Luiz Caversan, Last chance for Rio

“ The main argument of those who oppose the realization of the Olympic Games in Rio is corruption. According to this logic, the contracts for the infrastructure works for the event will necessarily be overvalued, benefitting only a few businessmen and politicians.
This perception is backed by five centuries of contamination of the State by private interests, to the detriment of the interests of the majority. “To fear the deviation of public money under the pretext of the Games is not a neurosis, it's basic knowledge of national history”, said, not without reason, historian Hilário Franco Júnior, in an interview to newspaper Estadão. ... This phenomenon was quantified in an interesting research conducted by Datafolha and published last sunday.
According to this research, 92% believe there is corruption in the Congress, 92% believe that the political parties are corrupt and 33% admit it is impossible to make politics without corruption.
These numbers show that, although with a certain exaggeration, the absolute majority of Brazilians have a good notion of what the public corruption is. ” — Marcos Guterman, The Olympic Games will be what we make of it

“ There is no doubt that it was a great victory for Rio, for Brazil and for South America. But it is even greater the challenge to transform, in only seven years, the city of Rio de Janeiro in what it should have become long ago -and is far from being- in terms of urban infrastructure, transport, housing, and above all, public security, in order to host the Olympic Games. It will be hard for the city, even with the formidable budget of R$ 28 billions initially announced, to reach 2016 with the life quality that would correspond to its title of "marvellous city", received for its natural beauty. The waste and budget disaster that was the Pan American Games would not justify much hope in this change. ” — Editorial opinion, Great victory, greater challenge

“ That [winning the bid] was the easy bit. Holding the games will require effort and expense on a scale that Rio, a problem-studded metropolis of 12m (half of whom live in the city itself), has never seen.
The police, already overstretched, must keep the Olympians safe from some of Latin America’s most brazen criminals —they committed over 2,000 murders in the city itself last year. Where padding public-works contracts and sticky-fingered politicians are the norm, who will make sure the $14.4 billion budgeted for the games will be put to good use —to say nothing of up to $50 billion in indirect investment?
There are plenty of sceptics, not least in São Paulo, Brazil’s financial and industrial centre, where Rio is often dismissed as a party town. The Pan American games held in Rio in 2007 reportedly cost ten times the official budget, and left behind underused arenas.
During the Pan American games, police and army troops flooded the streets, smothering crime. More useful would be to use the next seven years to coax the violent young men of the favelas to take up sport, or to get construction jobs. “Why don’t we make eliminating poverty in Rio and pacifying all the violent slums our goal for 2016?” says André Urani of the Institute for Studies on Labour and Society, a think-tank in the city. But there are no policies in place to achieve this. ” — Editorial opinion, Rio's expensive new rings

As anyone can see from the articles above, which include editorials from two important newspapers (Estadão and The Economist), it's not just me that am being "POV, biased, and discriminative". I just wish things weren't the way they are, but we can't hide the truth. Capmo (talk) 17:38, 29 December 2009 (UTC)

Changed words: strong => significant. A "Controversies" section was added to the article to display the main controversies during the bid campaign. Criticism made after the election should be added in 2016 Summer Olympics. Felipe Menegaz 19:00, 28 March 2010 (UTC)

2016 Olympics

To whom this may concern

I tried earlier to find the proposed dates for the Rio Olympics, and Google listed this article of yours, on Wikipedia. Rio de Janeiro is indeed the first South American city to ever host the Olympic Games. It is not the first time the Games are held in the Southern Hemisphere, however. They have been held twice before in Australia - in Sydney, nine years ago, and in Melbourne, back in 1956.

While I just wanted to point out the fact above, I congratulate you for being able to find the dates. I have not seen them on www.olympic.org yet.

Sincerely,

Walter Kehl. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 142.179.164.95 (talk) 21:11, 6 November 2009 (UTC)

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