Talk:Rana Plaza collapse

Image OTRS

The editor claims "permission to use in Wikipedia given by author by email". Can someone verify this? Thanks Rishabh Tatiraju (talk) 17:50, 27 April 2013 (UTC)

I uploaded the photos to commons. I have forwarded the permission email to OTRS. If you want, I can forward it to you or whoever wants to verify this. Thanks. --Ragib (talk) 21:25, 30 April 2013 (UTC)

Crack or cracks?

I've read many a source that said that cracks plural were seen in the structure the day before. It seems unlikely that a single crack was all that appeared. Is there a reason I keep getting reverted? Abductive (reasoning) 20:41, 24 April 2013 (UTC)

(a) there are many a source that say "a crack", (b) you're doing half a job and changing part of the article but not all of it. Please ensure you make the article consistent if you wish to change the content of it. The Rambling Man (talk) 20:45, 24 April 2013 (UTC)

Dhaka?!

This page should be redirected as 2013 Savar building collapse. Cause the collapse happened in Savar.--Pratyya ^(Hello!) 10:41, 25 April 2013 (UTC)

Photos

Folks, I have asked people who have visited the location to contribute photos to commons. So far, got a few contributions which I'm adding to commons:Category:2013_in_Bangladesh. Please use them as you see fit in the article. --Ragib (talk) 16:15, 27 April 2013 (UTC)

Bangladeshi newspapers

Here is a list of Bangladeshi newspapers. (See also Category:Newspapers published in Bangladesh.)

• Bangladeshi Newspapers : Newspapers from Bangladesh : Bangladeshi News : Asia

—Wavelength (talk) 20:01, 27 April 2013 (UTC)

• Thanks Wavelength. Your info is quite helpful. New worl (talk) 18:14, 29 April 2013 (UTC)

Infobox suspects

This is an article about a collapse, according to the title.There is an infobox, and it names suspects. Should I interpret from that context that they are suspected of collapsing the building? --Normash (talk) 00:10, 29 April 2013 (UTC)

A new (sub)heading in the article

I am thinking about a new (sub)heading in the article about infringements of the Labour Act in Bangladesh. This has some good info for starting point: http://www.thedailystar.net/beta2/news/tragedy-shows-urgency-of-worker-protections-hrw/

What do you think of this idea?

Thanks.

New worl (talk) 08:57, 29 April 2013 (UTC)

If you can cite a notable claim that any of the deaths were a result of what you mention, then you can maybe try such a subsection. And maybe someone should add related wikipedia articles to the See also section. Do you have any suggestions for such articles? --Normash (talk) 07:40, 30 April 2013 (UTC)

Owner a Criminal

The owner seems to be involved in very shady deals. http://www.nytimes.com/2013/05/01/world/asia/bangladesh-garment-industry-reliant-on-flimsy-oversight.html --119.192.173.132 (talk) 15:16, 1 May 2013 (UTC)

Thirty international apparel brands

"Loblaw Inc. CEO Galen Weston said before the company's annual meeting that as many as 30 international apparel brands were having goods manufactured in this building yet only two have come forward to speak publicly." (Loblaw CEO troubled by silence of other retailers - Businessweek, May 02, 2013) I propose that Wikipedia find out the names of all thirty brands and list them in the article. —Wavelength (talk) 01:52, 3 May 2013 (UTC)

Thanks, Wavelength. It's a great idea. New worl (talk) 10:01, 3 May 2013 (UTC)

From my Web search for rana plaza list brands, I found these articles, which mention some of the brands.

• Cautious welcome to brand compensation, Rana Plaza — Clean Clothes Campaign—Clean Clothes Campaign, May 1, 2013
• Bangladesh Factory Accident: JCPenney, Joe Fresh, Primark Among Brands with Links to Factory | TIME.com—Time, May 2, 2013
• RMG units at Rana Plaza listed global brands as buyers | The Daily Star—The Daily Star, April 26, 2013
• How clothing brands are reacting to the Bangladesh building collapse - The Week—The Week, May 1, 2013
• Benetton Denies Ties To Deadly Bangladesh Factory, But Its Shirts Were Found In The Rubble: Quartz (PHOTOS)—The Huffington Post, April 29, 2013
• Before Bangladesh Collapse, Some Clothing Retailers Fled Risk - WSJ.com—The Wall Street Journal, May 2, 2013
• Fair Trade Clothing Brands & Human Rights ... the Ethical Consumer Movement - Page 28 - the Fashion Spot

—Wavelength (talk) 18:09, 3 May 2013 (UTC)

A bad effect of globalization

I just added a bad effect of globalization in this paragraph Economic_inequality#Views_on_globalization. I hope that editors in this talk page will add more perspective to that article. Thanks, New worl (talk) 10:06, 3 May 2013 (UTC)

Disadvantages of boycott

Some articles discuss the disadvantages of a boycott of Bangladeshi products.

• Peter Fragiskatos: A Bangladesh Boycott Wouldn't Help Workers—The Huffington Post, May 3, 2013
• Why Not Boycott Bangladesh?—Corporate Crime Reporter, December 10, 2012

—Wavelength (talk) 18:45, 3 May 2013 (UTC)

A Final Embrace: The Most Haunting Photograph from Bangladesh

photo

It's not clear what you're trying to do/say. To me, the photo seems unsuitable to be included in the article, and it's clear enough from the text in the article what a terrible and deadly disaster this was. --82.170.113.123 (talk) 12:32, 11 May 2013 (UTC)

Could use a photo of the Rana Plaza before the collapse

In my opinion, this article could use a photo of the Rana Plaza before the collapse. There is one here that should be usable (in low quality and small dimensions, to make it fair use). --82.170.113.123 (talk) 21:03, 9 May 2013 (UTC)

Google Maps gives the address of Rana Plaza as follows.

• "Rana Plaza, Imandipur Road, Savar, Dhaka Division, Bangladesh"

Therefore, an image search for "Imandipur Road" might be helpful.

Pictures just might be available from one or more of these businesses.

• Bangladesh Business and Economy/Garments and Textiles

—Wavelength (talk) 15:14, 10 May 2013 (UTC)

Generator startup

Supposedly the collapse was triggered by generator(s) starting up when the regular power supply went out. Anybody have a WP:RS on this? Abductive (reasoning) 00:18, 11 May 2013 (UTC)

"Main Uddin Khandaker, head of a government inquiry team, said the generators started up after a power cut, sending powerful vibrations throughout the building, which - together with the vibration of thousands of sewing machines - triggered the collapse."[1]; "I was talking to Ruby when the power went out about 20 minutes later. As soon as the gigantic generator was switched on, around 9.03am, there was a sound like a thunder clap and the roof crumbled down on us."[2]; just Google a bit and there are plenty of hits. --82.170.113.123 (talk) 12:27, 11 May 2013 (UTC)

Graphic images

Do we really need pictures of mangled dead bodies? Can they at least be put in an auto-collapsed gallery? I'm sure there is some WP: article or other explaining how they can be there, and that's fine, but they're just awful and gruesome.

Thanks, --IP98 (talk) 22:31, 12 May 2013 (UTC)

That would be WP:NOTCENSORED - something that gets linked a LOT on Wkp. The images show really terrible things but are relevant to the article. --82.8.226.105 (talk) 23:42, 12 May 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for pointing out the exact article. I also agree that the image be included. New worl (talk) 13:40, 13 May 2013 (UTC)

In my opinion, the image should be removed from the article. As I wrote in another section on this Talk page, it's clear enough from the text in the article what a terrible and deadly disaster this was. There are enough other pictures in the article. Showing dead garment workers adds absolutely nothing. Adding a photo that is described as "The Most Haunting Photograph from Bangladesh" does nothing but add a shock factor. Wikipedia is not censored, but there's a reason a drawing is used at Snowballing (sexual practice) and paintings are shown at Sexual intercourse. If it's not necessary to include content that you know offends certain people, just don't do it. A building collapses, more than a thousand people die and several thousand are injured. It's not necessary to include the photo of the dead garment workers; anyone will understand there were many mangled dead bodies. If you feel the need to see dead people, there are plenty of other website you can visit. --82.170.113.123 (talk) 19:12, 13 May 2013 (UTC)

Also, the image cannot be licensed CC BY-SA 2.0, because it was not made by Flickr user "rijans" from whose page it was copied over to Wikipedia. The image was made by Taslima Akhter. Wikipedia editor Rijans007 could've figured that out quite easily. --82.170.113.123 (talk) 19:24, 13 May 2013 (UTC)

Companies doing business there

I removed DressBarn as it was brought to our attention via email that the company has claimed they had not done business there since 2010. See [3] and [4]. While the reliability of USA Today is not in question, the existence of contradictory information in other reliable sources makes their involvement with the garment providers at the time of the tragedy unclear at best. I understand a lot of companies will try to weasel out of this, but we should be careful under what criteria of verifiability we include them here, since it's a definite PR and image problem. If someone wants to create a list of "Companies formerly doing business in Savar" then DressBarn would fit better there. §FreeRangeFrog^croak 19:58, 15 May 2013 (UTC)

A company claiming they have not done business there is not actually free good evidence, especially if (I don't know if it was the case here) the evidence for the companies products came from evidence from the factory of interviews with workers and other staff. A big problem with 'they don't make our products' is that many companies actually have no idea who makes their products, they don't want to know. They hire company X who hires company Y who hires company Z at least in part. The main company may claim they limit subcontracting, but then order 200k product with a month deadline when they know the company can only make 100k product and/or would know if they bothered to check. Nil Einne (talk) 15:24, 3 February 2020 (UTC)

Links

>> Our Work in Summary(Lihaas (talk) 16:30, 11 March 2014 (UTC)).

Fashion Industry Response

The lines "Walmart, J.C. Penney and labour activists have been considering an agreement to improve factory safety in Bangladesh for at least two years.[30] In 2011, Walmart rejected reforms that would have had retailers pay more for apparel to help Bangladesh factories improve safety standards.[21][69]" are confusing, as the rest of this section is in chronological order. Perhaps this section needs to be reorganized with some background pre-disaster information up front, then the response after the disaster? LaurenGrace05 (talk) 17:50, 25 April 2014 (UTC)LaurenGrace05

"Causes related to Brands, fast fashion, outsourcing and capitalism" cleaned

Subsection "Causes related to Brands, fast fashion, outsourcing and capitalism" has been cleaned up and retitled "Causes related to manufacturers and safety compliance." Besides various grammatical and sentence structure issues, the word choice and choice of emphasis struck me as unfocused and ideological. I have mostly reworked the existing material and removed very little in order to give the section a NPOV tone. That said, the sources potentially remain biased. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nolangray (talk • contribs) 23:13, 24 April 2015 (UTC)

The Cause and Effect of the 2013 Savar Building Collapse I appreciate the explanation of the cause, especially of how the cause is related due to manufacturers and safety compliances. As well as, how many people were being rescued and the fashion industry responded from it; however, why talk mostly about worldwide criticism?

"The framework requests that those companies make vigorous checks to ensure slave labour is not used in third world countries and the UK to produce their goods.[78]"

It's not considered slavery if it is a job to help others support themselves and their families, even if it is a little amount of money. Yes, there is child labor and poor working conditions that ae being used but it isn't slavery. One way to make a better environment is to produce fair rights to those who worked in garment factories in the fashion industry. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2605:E000:5B10:5000:CC3E:A81A:FAD:AE2F (talk) 23:34, 18 October 2015 (UTC)

Survivors that committed suicide

The Wiki article needs to mention the many cases in which survivors of the collapse committed suicide in the months/years following the disaster. The suicides were related something like PTSD, etc.

It is fine to add this if you include a citation to a reliable source. MPS1992 (talk) 07:57, 28 April 2016 (UTC)

EFFECTS ON THE ENVIRONMENT

After reading all the information, this article seems to be super well put together and gives a good spot to just have all the facts in the same spot?

Was there any information on what the collapse did to the environment? I'm sure the building debris and generators becoming waste had to be awful. Thank you!

FHL Oct. 2017 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.51.93.145 (talk) 02:38, 5 October 2017 (UTC)

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Outdated?

Certain sections of the article are likely out of date. For instance, I find it highly dubious that the investigation into safety violations is still undergoing after over 7 years. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 19:39, 11 July 2021 (UTC)

Agree that this needs rework.

Some facts are plainly wrong.

"The International Labour Organization (ILO) also established the Bangladesh Accord on Fire and Building Safety, which is a legally binding agreement between brands, retailers, and unions to improve safety standards in the Bangladesh garment industry"

It is a private agreement, not by ILO. Links to ILO is outdated, you cannot judge to what degree ILO was even involved.

Same quality problems with this page here:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Accord_on_Fire_and_Building_Safety_in_Bangladesh

It's possible this was written up hastely by some government organization. 178.24.236.53 (talk) 09:31, 5 August 2024 (UTC)

Rename page to "Collapse of Rana Plaza"

It seems to be the far more commonly used term, and is certainely the more recognizable term (I had no clue what the event was based on the title, I always heard and read it as "The Collapse of Rana Plaza"

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Requested move 4 April 2023

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2013 Rana Plaza factory collapse → Rana Plaza collapse – This disaster easily fits WP:NOYEAR because of its four-figure death toll as well as its national & international media coverage. It was a multi-use building that collapsed, not only a factory. Jim Michael 2 (talk) 20:22, 4 April 2023 (UTC)

• Support - seems reasonable. Tim O'Doherty (talk) 20:42, 4 April 2023 (UTC)*
• Oppose zero benefit In ictu oculi (talk) 14:17, 5 April 2023 (UTC)

The benefit would be having a considerably shorter title which doesn't wrongly imply that only a factory collapsed. Jim Michael 2 (talk) 12:19, 6 April 2023 (UTC)

• Support per above. Estar8806 (talk) 22:12, 5 April 2023 (UTC)
• Support this is a very well-known and documented event. The more succinct title is not ambiguous and as the nomination argues, is more factually correct. MartinPoulter (talk) 12:30, 6 April 2023 (UTC)

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Extra Info

I have found some information that may be useful in the "Compensation of victims" section. Some amputees were able to be compensated via prosthetic limbs provided by Thailand. Source: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/world-asia-24338812 Bondsee (talk) 16:19, 22 April 2024 (UTC)