Talk:Pushkin House

Copyright problems

In addition to the other tags the article at present seems to contain alot of copyright infringement from the Vanessa Bittner reference. 83.100.221.38 (talk) 11:50, 17 July 2008 (UTC)

It contains information from her article, but this is not copyright infringement.81.129.157.230 (talk) 14:57, 17 July 2008 (UTC)

Yeah because I've been working on removing said copyvio. Check out the edit summaries. That being said the notability issue still exists so I'm putting that tag back. Jasynnash2 (talk) 15:04, 17 July 2008 (UTC)

Improvement issues/discussion

(Copied from my talkpage so the discussion can occur closer to the source article)

Please could you explain why you have questioned the notability of Pushkin House? This is the foremost instiute of Russian Literature in the world and an important part of the Russian Academy of Sciences. Also what exactly i youur probelm with the style, and in what way does it need changing?Harrypotter (talk) 11:31, 17 July 2008 (UTC)

Is the building notable? Is the article about the building or about that part of the Academy which occupies the building? Is it a notable building just because it bears his name? Or does the building have another claim to notability? These issues and the lack of reliable 3rd party references to show why the building is notable (or why this part of the school is notable separate from the whole) are the reasons for the notability tag. The cleanup tag and the wikify tag are about these issues and the formatting of the page (no sections makes it hard to read for me and I'm thinking for others as well). Please understand the placement of the tags are not a personal slight against you or even against the school/building. Even now I'm trying to find things to help address the tags. Jasynnash2 (talk) 11:43, 17 July 2008 (UTC)

Thank you for your explanation. As the institute is also known by the name of the building, I have inserted the word eponymous. I have also put the ten departments in as structure.I do not know whether this fits your personal requirements, but I would suggest that if you have any remaining issues you attend to them yourself.Of course I don't take the addition of the tags as a personal slight - you don't even know me - but I do feel they are misplaced and could be construed as officious behaviour with all the impersonality that implies.Harrypotter (talk) 11:56, 17 July 2008 (UTC)

It's not about my "personal requirements" it is about the policies and guidelines. I'm not sure which parts of my "other issues" you feel I can address but, I'll do my best. Jasynnash2 (talk) 12:09, 17 July 2008 (UTC)

I see you have some changes which I will review presently. However you have re-introduced the notability issue. I am finding it hard to understand your problem here. Since making the remarks above, I have also added the literary reference from Alexander Blok. I put in the term eponymous, which you have removed. In fact the name has followed the institute around, and has not been restricted to a single collection of bricks and mortar. Please explain in what way you question what is the premier institute of Russian literature as being notable. I am starting to find it hard to maintain a view of your behaviour being in good faith, and would willing be exposed to any real reasons you might have for this continued behaviour, even if currently I cannot imagine what they might be. ThanksHarrypotter (talk) 15:07, 17 July 2008 (UTC)

My reasons are simple. Trying to improve the wikipedia project. The notability issue still stands for the same reasons I spoke of before. We need to explain (preferably in the introduction section) what makes this notable (considering it isn't the only place called Pushkin House and not even the top hit at google making it absolutely as obvious as possible is essential). I tried to fix the copyviolation problems as part of cleaning up the article and have attempted to wikify it but, we still need to find some better references from reliable 3rd parties on the subject as well to support the article. Really this discussion should be happening at the article talkpage. And with that in mind I'm going to copy it there. Jasynnash2 (talk) 08:01, 18 July 2008 (UTC)

Editor Jasynnash2 repeated placing of notability tag

Yeah because I've been working on removing said copyvio. Check out the edit summaries. That being said the notability issue still exists so I'm putting that tag back. Jasynnash2 (talk) 15:04, 17 July 2008 (UTC)

Unfortunately Jasynnash2 has failed to indicate what his problem with is with the foremost institute of Russian literature being notable is. I am not sure which part of this Editor Jasynnash2 has the problem with and I am sure the whole wikipedia community could benefit from him sharing his views on this.

1) Is it in fact the foremost institute of this area?

Could Editor Jasynnash2 please give the name of any other institute of Russian literature which excels the Pushkin House? If Editor Jasynnash2 is correct in contesting the notability of this institue that should be very straight forward.

2) Why did [Vladimir Putin]] issue the following decree in his capacity as President of Russia.

On the celebration of 100th anniversary of the Russian Literature Institute (the Pushkin House), Russian Academy of Sciences

In connection with the coming 100th foundation anniversary of the Russian Literature Institute (the Pushkin House), Russian Academy of Sciences, which is being a particularly precious object of the cultural legacy belonging to Russian Federation nations, I decree to:

:1. Hold the celebrating festivities in the honour of the 100th foundation anniversary of the Russian Literature Institute (the Pushkin House), Russian Academy of Sciences.

:2. To the Government of Russian Federation for realization in a month’s term: collect the organization committee for preparation and conducting the celebrations of the 100th foundation anniversary of the Russian Literature Institute (the Pushkin House), Russian Academy of Sciences;

:State the programme of the preparation and conducting the celebrations of the 100th foundation anniversary of the Russian Literature Institute (the Pushkin House), Russian Academy of Sciences, including in particular its reconstruction, restoration and technical maintenance of its objects.

:3. To recommend the territorial forms of government of Russian Federation to take part in the preparation and conducting the celebrations of the 100th foundation anniversary of the Russian Literature Institute (the Pushkin House), Russian Academy of Sciences.

3) Restricting ourselves just to the library, this contains 700,000 tomes, which include the personal libraries of Alexander Pushkin, Vasily Zhukovsky, Pyotr Pletnyov, Yakov Polonsky, Alexandr Ostrovsky, Ivan Turgenev, Fyodor Dostoevsky, and Nikolai Leskov. The library alone would make Pushkin House notable. Why does Editor Jasynnash2 wilfully dispute the notability of this institution, when the evidence to the contrary is so overwhelming.

I would invite Editor Jasynnash2 to desist from inserting the non notable tag until a full and satisfactory response to these questions has been provided to the wikipedia community.Harrypotter (talk) 08:06, 18 July 2008 (UTC)

And I would invite you to desist from starting pages on subjects of which you have little to no cognizance. It is annoying to clean up page after page started by you. --Ghirla^-трёп- 12:25, 20 July 2008 (UTC)

Copyright issues V2

I've removed the poem text again. I think we need to be sure that this information is allowed to be republished before just inserting it (just like lyrics and such). If there is some standard permission thing on here that I'm unaware of then feel free to point me in that direction. Thanks. Jasynnash2 (talk) 08:28, 23 July 2008 (UTC)