Talk:Perpignan–Barcelona high-speed rail line

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The official spelling is Figueres, as per Spanish legislation Law 7/1983, of 18 April, on linguistic regularisation in Catalonia. Pages: 892 - 894 (see http://www.boe.es/g/es/bases_datos/doc.php?coleccion=iberlex&id=1983/90036&codmap=)

Furthermore, all references to this place within the text are, as proper, Figueres, as well as linking to the corresponding Wikipedia (English) article.

--YuriBCN 07:14, 13 April 2007 (UTC)

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Opening date

Is this line really opening next month? I can't find any timetable of services anywhere on the internet, and this news item [1] seems to say that the Perpignan - Portbou line is going to be marginalised in 2010 by the opening of the Perpignan - Figueres as the main line. (or is my French broken) Edgepedia (talk) 13:26, 30 January 2009 (UTC)

Mnn, and earlier article say that they were planning trails in November. [2] Edgepedia (talk) 13:43, 30 January 2009 (UTC)

I think I've found the answer ... it's trains through to Barcelona in 2010, local trains start running next month. No timetables yet through. Edgepedia (talk) 18:47, 30 January 2009 (UTC)

Supposed Spanish-French gauge incompatibility

The article says that the trip will require change of carriage.

Yet, there are currently direct trains from Barcelona, Spain, to Montpelier, France. The fact of these through trains would be inconsistent with the claims in this article, unless the trains east of Barcelona are already using a French-sized gauge. Dogru144 (talk) 00:16, 24 July 2009 (UTC)

It says "Passengers and cargo must either change trains, or the trains must pass through gauge-changing installations at the border." For further information on the track layout and installations at Cerbere see [3]. Edgepedia (talk) 06:10, 24 July 2009 (UTC)

Where is the reference for this? Both the German Railroad timetable search engine, and Thomas Cook Timetables indicate continuous service. These are detailed resources. They say nothing about carriage change, compare this to their attention to carriage change on trains going into Belarus or most trains going into Russia.Dogru144 (talk) 19:00, 24 July 2009 (UTC)

Start at the Talgo#Talgo_III-RD which were introduced in 1964 on the Paris route; you should find that the Variable gauge#Gauge changer setups are synonymous with the Talgo-based Elipsos sleeper services. If you book yourself a ticket on the Joan Miró—if you book yourself into the seats in the first carriage, and set an alarm clock, you should be able to stick your head out the door and wash the water splashing everywhere as it goes through the shed. If you then book yourself a reservation on the direct loco-hauled Alta train from Barcelona to south of Sevilla you'll hit the gauge changers twice entering and exiting the high-speed network. Blink and you'll miss it, they don't even stop these days! —Sladen (talk) 23:51, 24 July 2009 (UTC)

References 2 and 3 in the article describe the differences between the Spanish and France networks as does the link I've just given you above. Some through carriages run between the two countries via gauge-change installations at the border, described in the link above. By following the link to the wiki page on variable gauge, this document gives lots on information on guage changing, and the differences between European and Iberian guage Edgepedia (talk) 22:51, 24 July 2009 (UTC)

Thank you, editors all, for your contributions on this topic. The main issue, ultimately, I believe, is whether a carriage change causes any appreciable delay in passenger service. The answer, particularly noted by Sladen, is that the rider will hardly notice the change. Again, this contrasts with the legendary delay on trains heading from Poland into Belarus or most routes from Poland to Russia.Dogru144 (talk) 16:31, 26 July 2009 (UTC)

Platform height

• France will use 550mm
• Spain will use 840mm

121.102.47.215 (talk) 11:46, 14 March 2010 (UTC)

Where are you getting this information from? The ERA Technical Specifications for Interoperability require 550 millimetre or 760 millimetre for new lines. —Sladen (talk) 11:52, 14 March 2010 (UTC)

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Page needs update

Meanwhile the full line is in service as there are direct trains from Paris to Barcelona that no longer require to change trains in Figueres. The page text doesn't adequately reflect the new situation. Unfortunately my French isn't good enough to search for appropriate sources myself. Could someone else have a look at it? Marcocapelle (talk) 20:34, 4 January 2015 (UTC)

The title should be LGV Perpignan-Figueres

I am afraid LGV Perpignan-Barcelona does not exist. There is LGV Perpignan-Figueres which is an international line as described, and LAV Madrid-Barcelona which continues to Figueres. Ownership and management change at Figueres, and so does the name of the line.Megustalastrufas (talk) 20:02, 12 November 2015 (UTC)

The whole European rail network is interconnected, and how one apportions it between Wikipedia articles will always be somewhat arbitrary. Barcelona is a major terminal where many passengers finish their journeys or transfer to other trains; Figueres is a much smaller place. If the title of this article is changed back to reflect organisational boundaries rather than travelling patterns, then in logic Madrid–Barcelona high-speed rail line should also be changed to Madrid–Figueres high-speed rail line. Both articles would be better to include a (sourced, up-to-date) reference to the bodies that own and manage the lines: Noyster (talk), 10:02, 13 November 2015 (UTC)

I agree with Noyster. To me it doesn't make sense a title "LGV Perpignan-Figueres" since Figueres is not a terminal station for the High-speed trains towards France and of course there are no AVE services scheduled just for the distance between Figueres and Perpignan. The part Perpignan-Figueres is just a small section (or a project milestone if you prefer) of a longer high-speed line which now ends at Perpignan and will be extended in the future further in France. Clicklander (talk) 15:27, 13 November 2015 (UTC)

I see your point, but, if the official name and structure of the line is of no importance to you, why LGV and not LAV or HSR? Note that 24,6 Km are in France and 150,2 are in Spain. Why the French initials? Another option is Perpignan-Barcelona high-speed rail line following the pattern of other lines in Spain.Megustalastrufas (talk) 18:55, 14 November 2015 (UTC)

On the other hand, the new title makes a lot of the article inaccurate. The consortium, dates, cost, system, owner, operator, etc., a lot of the info refers to the Perpignan-Figueres line only. Megustalastrufas (talk) 18:55, 14 November 2015 (UTC)

I think you are right on that. HSR perhaps is more appropriate than LGV. Other than that The article can be further improved so the info will refer to the entire line.Clicklander (talk) 20:17, 14 November 2015 (UTC)

If you did this, please remind all the Wikipedia of other languages. All of them uses Perpignan-Figueres, all of them.--owennson（Meeting Room、Certificates） 09:50, 17 April 2016 (UTC)

Dated content

This revert[4] re-introduces wording that is problematic because it gets out of date. I've now tagged this[5] with {{when}}{{year}}. Clicklander, could you share the thinking behind why this revert was made? —Sladen (talk) 13:51, 17 November 2015 (UTC)

I have updated with the word "since" referring to the date that first TGV direct services started according to the reference. have a look and let me know if you agree.Clicklander (talk) 13:55, 17 November 2015 (UTC)

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