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Did Pelé win the World Cup three times? And other POV elements.

I thought I discuss this before editing the article again. The article states: He [Pelé] won three FIFA World Cups: 1958, 1962 and 1970, the only player ever to do so. However, in 1962 Pelé only participated in the first game and got injured in the second. To what extent can you say Pelé won the World Cup of 1962. Especially since most commentators agree that Brazil's World Cup victory of 1962 is mostly because of a very good Garrincha. Is playing only one (!) game means that one won something? After all, he had no part in 5 of the 6 games.

This also relates to the tone of this article, which is in my view a bit POV. For example, the article states: He is widely regarded as the greatest player of all time. The same thing can be read in the articles of Maradona and Messi. So apparently three players are the greatest of all time?! To continue: In 1961, Brazil President Jânio Quadros had Pelé declared a national treasure. During his career, he became known as "The Black Pearl" (A Pérola Negra), "The King of Football" (O Rei do Futebol), "The King Pelé" (O Rei Pelé) or simply "The King" (O Rei). This is a bit how conservative Christians talk about Jesus. Especially in the 'Reception and legacy' section of the article: not a single critical word.

Isn't this going a bit too far? For instance in this article, the accomplishments of Pelé are put in a more critical light: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/world-cup/10874465/How-and-why-Peles-mystique-and-reputation-as-the-worlds-greatest-ever-footballer-has-been-overhyped.html. To give an example from it: His [Pelé] World Cup record, while impressive, is susceptible to overstatement. Injury in 1962 means that effectively, he only really won two World Cups, and was not the outstanding player either time. In 1958, it was Didi who was voted player of the tournament, while in 1970, it was very much a team effort, with the likes of Tostao and Jairzinho at least as important.

Or on Pelé knowledge of the game: I believe that Pele knows nothing about football,' current Brazil coach Luiz Felipe Scolari said in 2002. 'He has done nothing as a coach and all his analysis always turns out to be wrong. He’s an idol in all of Brazil, but his analysis is worth nothing. Can this POV tone change? C.Gesualdo (talk) 15:30, 7 July 2016 (UTC)

Pele's level of involvement in the 1962 tournament is irrelevant. He was part of the squad in 1962, therefore he won the tournament, even if he didn't play in the final. – PeeJay 15:49, 7 July 2016 (UTC)

It's not only the fact that he wasn't playing the final, like I said, he basically only played the first game. Can you say in all seriousness that he contributed to the overall victory (which attributing the victory to him suggests)? I wouldn't mind attributing a victory to a player who played the vast majority of the game excluding the final, but only the first game present and the rest of the tournament injured, that's absurd; Pelé had almost no role in the victory. C.Gesualdo (talk) 17:52, 7 July 2016 (UTC)

C. Gesualdo, as PeeJay said above, the level of involvement of Pelé is irrelevant for this purpose according to FIFA's own understanding: even the reserve players, who sit on the bench throughout the whole tournament and don't take part in any games at all, are also considered victors when their teams win the relevant cup, and receive individual championship medals accordingly. Therefore, as a matter of historical record, Pelé did win the 1962 World Cup, together with the other twenty-odd players of the Brazilian team. MUSIKVEREIN (talk) 18:22, 7 July 2016 (UTC)

That may be true, but in the article the World Cup victory of 1962 is - in the light of the rather POV tone of the article - presented as an accomplishment of Pelé, which is of course not the case, since it's, like you said, predominantly an historical record. And that's my whole point: the whole article reads as an hagiography of the Almighty Emperor Saint Pelé. C.Gesualdo (talk) 22:00, 7 July 2016 (UTC)

But it is one of Pelé's accomplishments. He may only have played in one match, but he was in the squad as Brazil won the competition, and he even scored in his only appearance. Whether you like it or not, Pelé won the 1962 World Cup. – PeeJay 16:36, 10 July 2016 (UTC)

It's not a matter of me liking it or not, it's a matter of justification. An accomplishment is defined in the Merriam-Webster as: the successful completion of something. Did Pelé complete the World Cup of 1962? The answer is of course no. He didn't even play the most important games, i.e. the quarter-final, the semi-final and the final. His role was in other words completely meaningless. C.Gesualdo (talk) 20:43, 10 July 2016 (UTC)

We have a justification. We have sources that Pele is considered to have won the 1962 World Cup. What do you have? An opinion? Sorry bud, but that's not gonna fly... – PeeJay 21:24, 12 July 2016 (UTC)

An opinion based on facts, smart ass. And indeed, if you consider winning a World Cup applies to substitutes as well, then Pelé won the 1962 World Cup. But that doesn't take away the fact that Pelé had next to no part in the World Cup victory, and that Pelé's achievements are thus overrated; which also applies to what I wrote with regard to Pelé being overrated and this article being POV. Did I hurt your feelings by pointing that out? In any case, you're not the decision-maker here and certainly not if you refuse to react on the content. C.Gesualdo (talk) 05:10, 18 July 2016 (UTC)

This is a non starter as it fails (as an editor in the edit summary stated) on the grounds of undue weight. It's a fringe view from Liew against the thousands that say otherwise. There is also a case of POV pushing from C.Gesualdo by looking up the definition of accomplishment in a dictionary. That has no relevance to Pele winning three World Cups. Regards the tone of the article, see Shakespeare, The Beatles, Michael Jordan etc., people who have excelled in their field and widely perceived to have done so above all others.– DRodgers11talk 21:37, 22 July 2016 (UTC)

The view of the journalist in question is irrelevant since we're talking about facts here. The journalist pointed out facts! Id est: it is a FACT that the majority of the goals Pelé scored came from friendly's. And it's also a FACT that Pelé became injured in the second match and had no important role in the 1962 World Cup. The low opinion of Scolari on Pelé knowledge of football is just as much a FACT as all the positive views of others. Why exclude al critical remarks then? Like I said, this lemma is completely uncritical and resembles an hagiography. C.Gesualdo (talk) 17:41, 23 July 2016 (UTC)

Cease inserting contentious material that has gained no consensus in talk. This is what the talkpage is for. You can also request Arbcom. The article was previously swamped with a multitude of sources – including from the sport's governing body – that proclaimed Pele the greatest. They were only trimmed down because there was that many of them. Plucking out one contrary fringe view – one that overwhelmingly the vast majority of those in the sport would dispute, including his own teammates, opposition players, and the 1970 coach Zagallo – is WP:undue weight. If 99.9% say one thing we dont then give the 0.1% equal billing. The tone of the article is in step with articles of similar level performers from other sports as commented above. Go to the Wayne Gretzky page and argue if the "tone" is not right. And do precisely the same to Michael Jordan. On Scolari, he has frequently made personal attacks on Pele (as Pele has also done to him) which is unencyclopedic. – Carlos Rojas77 talk 02:54, 23 July 2016 (UTC)

The point is, and I think I stated that very clearly that - apart from the fact that the journalist in question indeed gives his opinion - the article contains several objective facts. In that light the view of the journalist is of no interest. I don't care about Jordan, Gretzky or American sports in general, but if you have facts that criticize their achievements, then I see no reason not to mention them (this is in fact happening with many Wikipedia articles, see for instance the article on Shakespeare). In the case of Pelé it's apparently forbidden to say he had no part in the 1962 World Cup victory (which is an objective fact). Same goes for stating that the vast majority of his goals were made in friendly games. And last but not least, why is it in your view - for instance - not a problem to mention the (positive) remarks of Zagallo, but not the (semi-)critical remarks of Scolari? I don't know how Americans view Pelé (perhaps similar to how they view David Beckham?), but the status of Pelé is in many countries not as undisputed as you're suggesting. C.Gesualdo (talk) 03:28, 24 July 2016 (UTC)

C.Gesualdo, you have been reverted by five editors and have done nothing to seek any form of consensus. Rather than edit war and seek to push your own POV, let's see how this resolves itself on here. To give my own two cents. Pele winning three World Cups is an historical fact, that you dispute this shows your intentions on the subject. On Pele's performances, he is widely regarded as having the greatest World Cup playing career in history. Young player of the tournament in 1958 where he became a global star, and player of the tournament in 1970 where he was a highlight reel by himself. All time top goalscorer for his national team, all time top goalscoer for his club, records that stand 40 years later. Those who played with him, those who played against him, those who reported on him, universally acclaim him. To cherry pick a recent opinion from a journalist who states he was overrated flies in the face of everything that's been said and written about him previously. – Chie one talk 12:51, 23 July 2016 (UTC)

Pele winning three World Cups is indeed an historical fact, but Pelé having had no part in the 1962 World Cup victory is also an historical fact! Why is it problematic to mention that? Pelé scoring a lot of goals is an historical fact, but Pelé scoring half of those goals in friendly games is also an historical fact! And that's my whole point, this article excludes not one or two, but ALL critical remarks. I don't object that the majority of views are positive, because indeed, most people regard Pelé as a great player, but does that mean critical notes or views cannot be expressed? Even though they're also historical facts? Same goes for the opinion of Scolari. Why do we mention the opinion of Zagallo, but not the opinion of Scolari? The view of the journalist in the article is indeed a minority view, but the article is almost entirely based on FACTS! Why can't we mention those facts? C.Gesualdo (talk) 14:27, 24 July 2016 (UTC)

Dude, just give up. Pele has a medal for his involvement in the 1962 World Cup. He was in the squad, therefore he won the tournament, regardless of how many games he played. Personally, I don't dispute your argument that Pele scored most of his goals in friendlies, which is why I tried to keep that in the article for you (despite your protestations, I might add), but you've gone about this in entirely the wrong way. – PeeJay 14:36, 24 July 2016 (UTC)

Can you even read? I'm not disputing that at all. I object however, that it's apparently forbidden to even mention the FACT that Pelé had almost no part in the World Cup victory of 1962. Why can't we mention critical notes regarding his achievements? Why can we mention positive remarks by Zagallo, but not the negative remarks by Scolari? We can we mention tons of journalist who think he's the greatest player in the history of the universe, but not one journalist who makes a critical remark? Are you so much in love with Pelé? C.Gesualdo (talk) 15:33, 24 July 2016 (UTC)

But it is mentioned! There's a section called 1962 World Cup that explicitly mentions the fact that Pele only played in the first match of the tournament. But you're trying to make it sound like he didn't play at all! He even scored a goal! No one is trying to claim that the 1962 World Cup was the greatest achievement of his career, but the FACT is that he's won more World Cups than any other person in history and the 1962 World Cup was one of those. – PeeJay 15:38, 24 July 2016 (UTC)

'He won three FIFA World Cups: 1958, 1962 and 1970, the only player ever to do so'. Exactly where is that mentioned? This sentence gives everyone the impression as if Pelé had equal part in the victories of those World Cups, which is of course not the case. On top of that, I was referring to the entire tone of the article, as mentioned in the very first post in this discussion. In the 'Reception and legacy' section of the article, the writer keeps on bragging about (mostly) completely irrelevant people who have an opinion on Pelé. Why is it forbidden to mention add one critical note of a journalist of quality newspaper, who did thorough research and has good arguments (and FACTS) to support his claim. And finally, where is it mentioned that half of his goals came from friendlies? You wrote: 'In total, Pelé scored 1281 goals in 1363 games, including unofficial friendlies and tour games'. And that's exactly what I mean, where is it written that almost HALF came from friendlies? That's a different perspective. You're presenting Pelé achievements as uncritical and positive as possible. This POV tone has to stop. C.Gesualdo (talk) 15:50, 24 July 2016 (UTC)

He won three WC's, simple as that. It is mentioned and fine as it is/was (whatever version is current). It does not matter if he plays 1 or 500 minutes during the tournament, being on the squad is enough and it should be added for every player than as those also won a WC. Kante4 (talk) 19:43, 24 July 2016 (UTC)

Having denied Pele won three World Cups and changed the article from three to two World Cups wins on 7 July, C.Gesualdo states: "I'm not disputing [the three wins] at all." You don't know what your saying as you contradict yourself. You are attempting to push your own POV and downplay his career. On the argument of goals in friendles, who cares? He's the top scorer for club and country (the most successful country on the planet). He's the top dog regardless of goals in friendlies. The plethora of opinions on Pele were formed by his peerless club and international career. And to question the views from players and writers who saw him in the flesh (that Johan Cruyff, Franz Beckenbauer, Bobby Moore et al. know nothing), and then talk up a fringe opinion from a young journo 40 years later...it's clear what your agenda is. – Herve Reex talk 15:23, 25 July 2016 (UTC)

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Hello, I'm old enough to have seen Pelé play and he was far and away the best footballer I ever did see. Therefore, happy to review this. Will commence soon. Jack | ^{talk page} 13:34, 17 November 2016 (UTC)

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Nevertheless, I am seriously concerned about the article's length because, at over 133kb, it is far too long and must be split into sub-articles. For example, the career statistics section is over 38kb alone and I recommend that this should be made into an independent article within Category:Pelé, providing it is written with sufficient context so it does not breach WP:NOTSTATS. Similar courses should be taken with some of the career and honours material.

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Honors Section

The honors section in my opinion, is a bit long, and sometimes has honors like "being made a stamp by the DPRK", etc. I don't think a large amount are necessary. Thoughts? JerrySa1 (talk) 22:09, 7 December 2016 (UTC)

Agreed on the stamp one, but I definitely disagree with removing awards like the Ballon d'Or and the World Soccer Player of the Year award, since those are very big awards given by respected media outlets. – PeeJay 22:14, 7 December 2016 (UTC)

not a good source

The "total including friendly" part of the table in the goal statistic section should be removed because the source is from his club's website and that would mean his club gets to "decide" how many goals he has. Hence, it would influence the actual statistical facts about the world's greatest football players of all-time. 400+ goals in friendly matches is insane! No other football player's article has that.Ae245 (talk) 02:48, 13 February 2017 (UTC)

I disagree, and I would revert, but I don't have time for this. Other articles do talk about friendlies, and official tallies DO also include them. Jerry (talk) 21:14, 14 February 2017 (UTC)

How can an official tally include friendlies? Friendlies are, by definition, not official. – PeeJay 07:39, 15 February 2017 (UTC)

Good point..... Sorry. Jerry (talk) 22:29, 15 February 2017 (UTC)

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* There are several sources in the infobox, and those need to be removed per WP:INFOBOXREF. Make sure that if you remove them, the information is still cited elsewhere. * As a general rule, sources are discouraged in the introduction paragraphs since they can add up pretty quickly. The introduction looks cleaner without them — not to mention that it is way easier to summarize the article correctly this way (see WP:LEADCITE).

• The quote in Early life is way too big. It has a lot of interesting details about his activities as a boy, so I think paraphrasing that and adding it in the paragraphs is probably better (the quote in Club career section is perfect).
• The Honours sections has a lot of unsourced lines. I also think it might be a little bit long. Using this article as an example can help. (BTW – I'm aware that Messi's article has the honours the same way this article does, but I think that section needs a major clean-up too).
• Career statistics section has unsourced paragraphs.
• Make sure all the statistics boxes and the info in them have references. You might have to let me know where I have to click to make sure all the goals/stats are.
• A lot of the references are incomplete (lack dates of publication, author, publisher/work, book pages, or are in different language but don't have the appropriate template. I can help in all of this, just let me know if you need help. This will be taken care of in Part 2 of my review.
• As you tackle each issue, please strike my comments so I can read them easily, thanks!
• Once the concerns above have been addressed, I will take a look at the introduction, the Early life section (since I think the info on the quote should be paraphrased into the text, the infobox, categories, etc.

Part 1

Santos

*at the age of 15 against Corinthians Santo Andre and had an impressive performance – The team should not be italicized. Consider linking Corinthians Santo Andre

*Scoring the first of his record 1281 goals in football during the match. – This seems a little bit out of place. His record should probably be mentioned in the intro (of course), and his legacy or probably at the end of his career. I would simply put “scoring the first goal of his prolific career” or something like that.

*When the 1957 season started, Pelé was given – Is the season this one? [1] If so, please link using the format above.

*but the government of Brazil declared Pelé – link Government of Brazil

*Pelé won his first major title with Santos in 1958 as the team – link “Santos in 1959” using [2]

*Another 47 goals from Pelé saw Santos retain the Campeonato Paulista – When? I would also rephrase to “The following season, Pelé scored 47 goals and helped Santos retain …”

*The club went on to win the Taça Brasil that same year, beating Bahia in the finals; - I’m assuming 1961? Make sure It is clear in the previous sentence.

*Pelé finished as top scorer of the tournament with nine goals – I would quantify it to 9 since that is how the other goals are written.

*Santos's most successful club season started in 1962 – Santo’s most successful Copa Libertadores season started in 1962. I had to check if you meant the national league or Libertadores.

*Group One alongside Cerro Porteño and Deportivo Municipal Bolivia – link Bolivia’s club team using this [3]

*(a 1–1 away tie vs Cerro – versus

*with Pelé scoring his first goal against Cerro – the first goal against Cerro? It was Dorval.

*Santos defeated Universidad Católica in the semifinals and met defending champions Peñarol in the finals in which Pelé scored twice in the playoff match to secure the first title for a Brazilian club - Santos defeated Universidad Católica in the semifinals and met defending champions Peñarol in the finals. Pelé scored twice in the playoff match to secure the first title for a Brazilian club.

*scoring a hat-trick in Lisbon as Santos won 5–2 – Lisbon

*The ballet blanco managed – I would put “The ballet blanco, the nickname given to Santos for … , managed to retain""

*defeating Boca Juniors 1–2, in La Bombonera – Wow, this is an extremely difficult and rare feat. Only a few international teams have been able to defeat Boca there in official competitions. This isn't a suggestion, but I still added that.

* 0–3 win over Flamengo in the final – link Flamengo

*with Pelé scoring one – one goal

*retain the Intercontinental Cup and the the Taça Brasil. – do you know against what teams?

*O Rei's goals weren't enough – I would just keep it ‘Pele” and fix it to “were not”

*The club did however win the Campeonato Paulista in 1967 – The club did, however, win …

*occurred in a match against Vasco da Gama at the Maracanã Stadium – remove link of the team and stadium per WP:OVERLINK

*on a Campeonato Paulista match against São Paulo rival Juventus – ditto for the cup

*against São Paulo rival Juventus on 2 August 1959 – I would spell out the name of the team since I confused it with Italy’s. The title of the article should be fine.

*After the 1974 season – link to [4]

New York Cosmos

*of the North American Soccer League (NASL) for the 1975 season - 1975 North American Soccer League season

*Pelé is credited with significantly increasing public – was

*Santos arrived in New York and New Jersey after previously defeating the Seattle Sounders – I would rephrase to “Santos arrived in New York after previously defeating the Seattle Sounders in New Jersey”

*ABC's Wide World of Sports as well as throughout the world – Wide World of Sports (U.S. TV series)

International career

*against Argentina on 7 July 1957 at the Maracanã – remove link of stadium per WP:OVERLINK

*goal for Brazil aged 16 years and nine months – same from Brazil.

*his colleagues closed ranks and insisted upon his selection – closed ranks is an idiom (which I had to look up since I had no idea what it meant). I would say change it to a more encyclopedic phrase.

*Brazil were leading 2–1 at halftime – was

*On 29 June 1958 Pelé became the – comma after date

*in the capital of Stockholm – in Stockholm, the capital.

*Recently it has become known that the event was the result of disorganization – How recent? Please state the year/date per WP:RECENTICISM When isn't needed.

*the leaders did not send the shirt numbers of players – the organizers of the World Cup?

*This was expected to be Pelé's World Cup – According to whom? I would also add 1962 World Cup in this sentence somewhere and remove the link in the following one. Implied based on his statistic, but no one said.

*He injured himself while attempting a long-range shot against Czechoslovakia – was this in the following game? Make sure to state that because it jumped from Mexico to this unexpectedly.

*in the capital of Santiago – In Santiago or In Santiago, the capital.

1966 World Cup

*Pelé was called to the national team in early 1969, he refused at first - Pelé was called to the national team in early 1969, but he initially refused. He later accepted and played …

1970 World Cup

*The 1970 World Cup in Mexico was to be Pelé's last – was expected to be Pele’s last World Cup.

*Against Romania in Guadalajara – We already know it was in Guadalajara (since it is stated before), so no need to have that part.

*quarterfinals against Peru – link to the Peru national football team

*at the Azteca Stadium in Mexico City – I would link Mexico City cus why not

*and the fourth finished by Carlos Alberto – remove link per WP:OVERLINK

Style of play

*In spite of his relatively small stature – would you be able to add a source with his stature (include both m and ft)

Reception and legacy *Pelé is one of the most lauded players in history and is frequently ranked the best player ever.[1][2][3] – this is already mentioned above in the other section. This definitely belongs here more than in the other one.

*Former Brazilian ambassador to the United Nations, J.B. Pinheiro, commented; "Pelé played football for 22 years, and in that time he did more to promote world friendship and fraternity than any other ambassador anywhere."[1] – I’m wondering if this guy’s view on Pelé should be included. I couldn’t find a Wikipedia article about him or a lot of reliable sources to establish notability on who he is. Seems like guys in his position come and go with changes in government, so I would say he is not important in the football world to be commenting on this and be included (Mandela is Mandela, however).

*One of the world's most famous people since the mid 20th century, a reporter asked if his fame compared to that of Jesus, Pelé in response quipped, "There are parts of the world where Jesus Christ is not so well known."[1] – The phrasing of this sentence is a bit awkward, please rephrase. If you need help let me know.

Personal life

• nor her two children, Octavio and Gabriel – are these from his affair with the housemaid?

They are kids of that woman.

*Pelé is now married to Marcia Aok – when did they marry? It’s better to put “Pelé married Marcia Aok on ____. The whole illness thing and her “standing next to him” is unencyclopedic. I would mention what illness Pelé got as you did earlier with the kidney problems. Just removed it.

*He has been criticized in the public opinion for his conservative views – when? What conservative views? Since he was suspected of sympathizing with the left in the previous sentence, this comes across as contradictory. Is this because of the public demonstrations? If so, it should go after that mention.

*and support the Brazil national team.[115][116][117][118] – Too many links for a single claim. One or two should be enough.

*Pelé has stated that he is a Catholic.[121] – When?

After football

*In 1995, Brazilian President Fernando Henrique Cardoso appointed Pelé to the position of Extraordinary Minister for Sport, and he was also appointed a UNESCO Goodwill Ambassador. – Was he appointed by Cardoso to both positions, or only the first one? I could not access the source since it is dead.

*which became known as the "Pelé law.” – Could not find this in either of the two sources.

*after he was accused of involvement in a corruption scandal – Can you expand on the corruption scandal a bit more? He was accused of stealing charity money (specify the amount and any other details you think are important).

*2006 FIFA World Cup finals – link the final

*Pelé publicly accused the Brazilian football administrator Ricardo Teixeira of corruption – When?

* from the draw for the 1994 FIFA World Cup – link the tournament.

*He appeared, alongside other footballers of the 1960s and 1970s, with Michael Caine, and Sylvester Stallone, in the 1981 film Escape to Victory, about a World War II-era football match between Allied prisoners of war and a German team. – Somewhat of a fragment. The sentence is long, and I was somewhat confused when I saw Stallone there after the footballers mention. I should make it two separate sentences.

*drum up interest in the Apollo missions – link Apollo missions using List of Apollo missions

*Pelé was in Sheffield, England – link city

*aiming to field a team in Major League Soccer – add period after sentence

*it was reported that Santos were considering bringing him out of retirement – unlink Santos per WP:OVERLINK. Also, who reported this?

*In March 2016 Pelé filed – comma after year.

*seeking $30 million – US$30 million *The suit alleges – alleged

*question, includes a partial face – included

Career statistics

*Pelé's goalscoring record is often reported by FIFA among others – who are the others worth mentioning?

*Some sources, however, claim – Which? Are they notable?

Best I can tell, Nope.

*This figure includes goals scored by Pelé in friendly club matches, for example – for example → like

*in for armed forces teams – Brazilian Armed Forces?

*In addition, he has scored – he scored

* He has also scored 12 goals – he also scored

*1284 in 1375 taking into account benefit games after retirement. – and 1284

Part 2

There are serious issues with the format of the sources. Almost all of them are missing dates of publication, authors, publishers, have incomplete publisher names, lack language formats, pages, ISBNs, and/or do not follow the standard citing format. For newspapers, please go to Template:Cite news to follow the write format. I think the best way to cite is source is to click the "Edit source" tab and then click the "Cite" button, which will pull up a fill-in template to put the information. For books, I would recommend to add a separate section for them, similar to this Good Article. One will need to cite the pages only, like this. For Footnotes, please add something like this. Let me know if you have any questions. I'm already done with Part 1, but it is on my work laptop and I went out of town, so I decided to do this first on my personal laptop. ComputerJA (☎ • ✎) 20:14, 6 June 2017 (UTC)

Forgot to mention: I think it is better to spell out the full publisher instead of writing the website (i.e. "The Guardian" instead of "theguardian.com"). ComputerJA (☎ • ✎) 20:17, 6 June 2017 (UTC)

*"The Great Creators". FIFA. Retrieved 14 October 2012 – Missing publication date.

*"Pele edges Eusebio as Santos defend title". FIFA. Retrieved 14 October 2012 – Missing publication date.

*http://www.rsssf.com/miscellaneous/pele-intlg.html - Full format needed.

*"More caps than goals". FIFA. Retrieved 20 October 2015 – Missing publication date.

*"Pele's Santos go global". FIFA. Retrieved 19 November 2012. – Missing publication date. And also seems to be out of place. It does not lead to any text.

* "Pele Speaks of Benefits of Futebol de Salão". Archived from the original on 12 January 2016. Retrieved 26 June 2016. – Missing publication and publisher, the International Confederation of Futebol de Salão.

*Robert L. Fish; Pelé (1977). My Life and The Beautiful Game: The Autobiography of Pelé, Chapter 2. Doubleday & Company, Inc., Garden City, New York. ISBN 0-385-12185-7 – page?

• Anibal Massaini Neto (Director/Producer), (2004). Pelé Eterno [Documentary film]. Brazil: Anima Produções Audiovisuais Ltda. International: Universal Studios Home Video. – per WP:CITEVIDEO, we need to know roughly when in the documentary is this info cited.

• "Un siglo, diez historias" (in Spanish). BBC. Retrieved 21 June 2010. – Missing publication date (which based on the URL I believe it is 2008) and author (journalist is mentioned at the very bottom).

*"From Edson to Pelé: my changing identity". Article by The Guardian. London. 13 May 2006. Retrieved 1 October 2006. – Remove Article by

*Winterman, Denise (4 January 2006). "Taking the Pelé". Article by BBC Online. Archived from the original on 23 November 2008. – Same here.

• Pelé; Orlando Duarte; Alex Bellos (2006). Pelé: the autobiography. London: Simon & Schuster UK Ltd. ISBN 978-0-7432-7582-8. – page needed.

* "Pelé". Vivendo Bauru. Retrieved 25 July 2012. – This is an unreliable source. It is a mirror page to Wikipedia.

• Joe Marcus (1976). The world of Pele. New York: Mason/Charter.ISBN 978-0-88405-366-8. – Page needed, and his surname should go first like in previous formats.

*Betzold, Michael (2004). "Pele (soccer player)". encyclopedia.com. Retrieved 17 January 2016. – Encyclopedia.com may not be a reliable source, and it has been proven to use content from Answers.com and HighBeam. [5] I would say it is a very weak RS and should be changed. Let me know.

*Diário Lance. "// O Campeão da Rede". Lancenet. Archived from the original on 14 May 2008. Retrieved 12 June 2010. – Surname goes first.

* Artilheiros da história Brasil em Folhas. Retrieved 6 May 2011 – Publication date needed. The publisher also seems to be Folha Online, correct?

*Matches which decided Rio-São Paulo Tournament Rec.Sport.Soccer Statistics Foundation. Retrieved 6 May 2011 – I will make a special leyway for this source since I know how incredibly difficult it is get data like this. I am not entirely sure if this is reliable, but at least we know who the authors and collaborator were. Please add them, they are at the very bottom.

*Torneio Rio-São Paulo 1960". Rec.Sport.Soccer Statistics Foundation. Archived from the original on 16 December 2009. Retrieved 16 January2016. – Same here.

* Santos revive spirit of Pelé BBC Sport Retrieved 5 May 2011 – Publication date needed.

*"What they said about Pele" FIFA. – same here

*"Copa Libertadores de América 1962". rsssf.cpm. Retrieved 29 January2016. – Authors at the bottom.

*Extraordinary Pele crowns Santos in Lisbon FIFA. Retrieved 22 October 2012 – Publication date needed

*Will South Africa 2010 produce a new Pele? BBC Sport. Retrieved 5 May 2011 – add author and publication date.

*Copa Libertadores – Topscorers Archived 31 October 2015 at the Wayback Machine. Rec.Sport.Soccer Statistics Foundation. Retrieved 10 May 2011 – please add authors from the bottom. In addition, please archive using this format.

* Santos – Pelé edges Eusebio as Santos defend title FIFA. Retrieved 5 May 2011 – add publishing date, this is different than retrieved date.

* "Pelé's Hail Mary In Santo Domingo". Life. 2015. Retrieved 28 October2015. – Seems like an unreliable source and/or a source more suitable for travel.

• It's fine.

*Tom Dunmore (2011). "Historical Dictionary of Soccer". p. 198. Scarecrow Press – ISBN needed

*Lew H. Freedman (2014). "Pele". p. 165. ABC-CLIO – ISBN needed.

*Seven the number for Pele FIFA. Retrieved 5 May 2011 – Publication date is needed, 2007

*Pele: The greatest football player ever MSN. Retrieved 5 May 2011 – This is a dead URL. Please go to archive.org and see if it is there or find a suitable replacement.

* (Portuguese) "Copa 1958". Consulted on 23 October 2010. – Fixing the Portuguese template with | language=Portuguese ; also, please add the publisher and publication date, 2006.

*The mark was surpassed by Northern Ireland's Norman Whiteside in the 1982 FIFA World Cup. – source? Also, this is a footnote, please create an appropriate section for that.

*Sweden 1958: Pele's genius propels Brazil to first title The Independent Retrieved 5 May 2011 – author

* FIFA World Cup Goal of the Century FIFA Retrieved 5 May 2011 – publishing date.

*Pelé – I was there FIFA. Retrieved 5 May 2011 – this link is already used in The King of Football source.

* (Portuguese) Copa do Mundo de 1958 na Suécia. Consulted on 23 October 2010. – fix language template. I also think the URL is dead (I was not able to open it). Please replace it. It also needs a publisher and should not have “consulted” since that is not a format we use.

* "The King of Football". FIFA. Retrieved 15 July 2014 – Already used before.

* "Nasce Uma Lenda". Accessdate 23 October 2010. (Portuguese) – dead URL and wrong language format. Also, no publisher.

* "The Copa América Archive – Trivia". Rec.Sport.Soccer Statistics Foundation. 19 July 2007. Retrieved 16 June 2014. – author needed.

*South American Championship 1959, Scorers' ListRec.Sport.Soccer Statistics Foundation. Retrieved 6 May 2011 – author needed

• "Pele Great Goal – Video". Metacafe.com. Retrieved 12 June 2010. – better source needed. Since the person who uploaded is not a credible publisher, we need something that is per WP:CITEVIDEO.

*Glenn Moore (3 June 2006) Pele: The Greatest The IndependentRetrieved 5 May 2011 – last name goes first, and the date is actually 2 June 2006

*The Day Portugal Hunted Down Pelé". soccerly.com. 5 December 2013. Retrieved 10 January 2016. – doesn’t seem like a reliable source as the credibly of the publisher is not established.

• "Brazil in the 1966 World Cup – England". V-brazil.com. Retrieved12 June 2010. – Definitely not a reliable source.

*World Cup final: 10 top World Cup refereeing errors The Telegraph Retrieved 8 May 2011 – author and publishing date.

*Jeff Powell: Hats off to Del Bosque but his team cannot match the Golden Gods of Brazil". Daily Mail. 2 July 2012 – Daily Mail is not a reliable source, according to established consensus. - Removed it and the quote

*Roberto Mamrud. "Edson Arantes do Nascimento "Pelé" – Goals in International Matches". Rec.Sport.Soccer Statistics Foundation. Retrieved 1 May 2011. – surname first.

*Brazil 'best ever' says Five Live". BBC Sport. Retrieved 5 May 2011 – publishing date.

*"1970 Brazilian Soccer Team Voted Best Ever". The New York Times. Retrieved 5 May 2011. – date and author

*"The boys from Brazil: On the trail of football's dream team". The Independent. Retrieved 14 May 2011. – date

* "1970 FIFA World Cup Mexico". FIFA. Retrieved 30 May 2014 – source says nothing about what the text says.

* "The Greatest? For Century, Pele Eclipses Muhammad Ali". The New York Times. Retrieved 6 May 2011. – author and dates.

* "The 100 greatest World Cup moments: (No.18)". The Independent Retrieved 13 May 2011. – author and date.

• "FIFA World Cup Group 3 Results". ESPN. Retrieved 28 May 2014 – no mention of the claims in the source.

• "Brazilians show all how beautiful game should be played". 12 January 2010. Archived from the original on 10 February 2010. Retrieved 5 May2011. – publisher and author.

• "World Championship – Jules Rimet Cup 1970 Final". FIFA. Retrieved 17 December 2014 – authors, page.

*Football First XI: Best goals ever". CNN. Retrieved 13 May 2011. – date: 2009. Also, would you be able to replace it with this? The source is open but no info is visible. Please add the author too it as well.

*"Brazil's heroes of 1970 relive their days of glory" FIFA. Retrieved 6 May 2011. – date

*"Pelé, King of futbol", ESPN. Retrieved 6 May 2011. – date and author

* 10 World Cup Gods! Our look at the best of the best in World Cup history Daily Mail. Retrieved 10 May 2011 – Daily Mail not reliable.

* "Remembering the genius of Garrincha". BBC. Retrieved 8 December 2013 – date and author

* Adam Bate (19 March 2015). "Messi? Ronaldo? Pele? Maradona? Who is the greatest of all-time?". Sky Sports. Retrieved 27 February 2017. – just the surname in front.

*Louis Massarella (5 November 2015). "Pele or Puskas? Maradona or Messi? Just who is the best No.10 of all-time?". FourFourTwo. Retrieved11 February 2016 – same thing here.

*David Miller (12 December 2000). "Maradona's genius cannot eclipse Brazilian master". The Telegraph. Retrieved 27 February 2017. – same thing here.

*Tom Adams (9 November 2015). "Mesut Ozil's assists at Arsenal make a compelling case for player of the year". ESPN FC. Retrieved 27 February2017. – same thing here.

*Jonathan Wilson (18 August 2010). "The Question: What is a playmaker's role in the modern game?". The Guardian. Retrieved 27 February 2017. – same thing here.

*Darwin Pastorin. "PELE (Edson Arantes do Nascimento)" (in Italian). Treccani: Enciclopedia dello Sport (2002). Retrieved 27 February 2017. . – same thing here.

*David Hirshey (9 May 2016). "Pele talks to ESPN FC about Brazil's decline, pressure on Neymar, more". ESPN FC. Retrieved 27 February2017. . – same thing here.

*Giovanni Marino (21 April 2010). "La vita mancina di Mario Corso "Io, tra Herrera, Pelè e Berselli"" (in Italian). La Repubblica. Retrieved28 February 2017. . – same thing here.

*Nick Miller (15 June 2015). "Pele Top 10: World Cup glory, with Bobby Moore and goals, goals goals". ESPN FC. Retrieved 27 February 2017. . – same thing here.

* Maurizio Crosetti (26 May 2014). "Palleggio volante ed esterno destro il mondo conobbe il bambino Pelé" (in Italian). La Repubblica. Retrieved27 February 2017. – same thing here.

• The Best of the Best". Rec.Sport.Soccer Statistics Foundation. Archived from the original on 26 January 2010. – author and date (last updated)

*"The King of football: I Was There ...". FIFA. 2015. Retrieved21 January 2016. – source already used before. Please use the old ones for this.

I used this source when combining duplicates.

*"Pele and Mourinho win BBC awards" BBC. – date

*Alfredo Di Stefano: Pele is better than Messi and Ronaldo". ESPN. Retrieved 16 June 2014. – date

*"Speech by Nelson Mandela at the Inaugural Laureus Lifetime Achievement Award, Monaco 2000". nelsonmandela.org. Archived fromthe original on 24 April 2016. Retrieved 9 February 2017. – needs exact speech date as publishing date.

*Kirby, Gentry (2003). "Pele, King of Futbol". ESPN. Retrieved21 January 2016. – Already used before.

*Guilherme Seto, Rafael Reis (28 November 2014). "Pelé tem apenas um rim desde que era jogador de futebol" (in Portuguese). uol.com.br. Retrieved 28 November 2014. – uol.com.br doesn’t tell me much. What is the full publisher’s name? Make sure to do this for all sources too if you can. This one was just not obvious.

*Xuxa, Pelé e a Playboy, Muita Pimenta Retrieved 12 July 2011 – does not seem reliable and URL is dead.

*"Pele's daughter dies of cancer at 42". ESPN. Retrieved 3 February 2014 – date

*"Pele misses funeral of "daughter he never wanted". People. Retrieved 3 February 2014 – date

*"Daughter who sued Pele dies of cancer at 42". ESPN. Retrieved 3 February 2014. – date

*'Minha primeira paixão foi uma japonesa e a última também vai ser', afirma Pelé" ['My first love was a Japanese and will also be the last,' says Pele]. BOL.com. 11 December 2012. Retrieved 13 July 2014. – add the Portuguese template and spell out the full name of the publisher.

* "Football legend Pele to marry". Daily Express. Retrieved 19 August2014. – date

*"Pelé Is Alive And Well! Thanks Fans In Video Message", Latin Times. Retrieved 11 December 2014 – date

*"Pelé foi investigado pela ditadura na década de 1970". .folha.uol.com.br. 1 January 1970. Retrieved 16 June 2014. – Portuguese template and spell out publisher

*"Estranho, conservador, desastroso e 'de outro planeta'; comentaristas analisam declarações de Pelé". Espn.uol.com.br. 19 June 2013. Retrieved 16 June 2014 – Portuguese template

*Estátua de Pelé é "amordaçada" na cidade natal do jogador". Noticias.terra.com.br. Retrieved 16 June 2014. – date and language template

*"Pelé e as manifestações". Veja.abril.com.br. Retrieved 16 June 2014. – date, full publisher name, and language template

*"Ronaldo e Pelé podiam ter passado sem mais essa". Diariodocentrodomundo.com.br. 20 June 2013. Retrieved 16 June 2014. – date, full publisher name, author, and language template

*"Pelé vaiado nas redes devido a declarações sobre protestos no Brasil". Jn.pt. Retrieved 16 June 2014. – date, full publisher name, and language template

*Pele in hospital, hip operation a success, report says". ESPN. Retrieved 16 June 2014 – date

*Pele's son Edinho jailed for 33 years for Drug Trafficking". biharprabha.com. Indo-Asian News Service. Retrieved 1 June 2014. – date; remember that retrieved date is not the same as publishing date, even though the dates might match sometimes like in this case.

*"Romario trolls Pele on Twitter, says he's a phony Catholic and talks nothing but shit". 101greatgoals.com. Retrieved 30 August 2014. – author and date

• World Sport Humanitarian Hall of Fame Inductees – Pelé. Retrieved 5 May 2011. – publisher; source is also dead, please find replacement.

*"UNICEF denies Pele corruption reports". SportBusiness.com. Reuters. 23 November 2011. Archived from the original on 31 July 2012. Retrieved21 January 2016. – date is actually 23 November 2001

• Darby, Paul (2002). Africa, football, and FIFA: politics, colonialism, and resistance. F. Cass. pp. 110–. ISBN 978-0-7146-4968-9. Retrieved31 March 2012. – is there another page? If not, please remove the dash.

*Bellos, Alex (2003). Futebol. Bloomsbury. ISBN 978-0-7475-6179-8. – page

*"Estranhos extraterrestres chegavam na tela da Excelsior para fazer contato com Pelé". cartaodevisita.r7.com. cartaodevisita.r7.com/. Retrieved 17 February 2016. – date, full publisher name

*Barron, Steve. "Mike Bassett: England Manager (2001)". The New York Times. Retrieved 17 February 2016. – source leads no where. Also, please add full date. -Full date not given.

*Pelé scouts for Fulham, BBC Sport. Retrieved 10 June 2006. – date

*"Pelé to receive honorary degree" (Press release). University of Edinburgh. 9 August 2012. Retrieved 9 August 2012. – press release not needed

*Preece, Rob (13 August 2012). "Going out in a blaze of golden glory: Awe-inspiring shots from the fantastic fireworks show which closed London's 2012 Olympics". Daily Mail. Retrieved 14 December 2012. – Daily Mail is an unreliable source.

• "Pelé IP Ownership LLC v. Samsung Electronics Co., Ltd., No. 16-03354 (N.D. Ill. amended complaint filed May 25, 2016)". Retrieved 23 June2016. – this violates WP:BLPPRIMARY

*"Copa Oswaldo Cruz". Rec.Sport.Soccer Statistics Foundation. 21 September 2007. Retrieved 16 June 2014. – Author

*"Copa Bernardo O'Higgins". Rec.Sport.Soccer Statistics Foundation. 30 September 1998. Retrieved 16 June 2014. – Author

*"Copa del Atlбntico". Rec.Sport.Soccer Statistics Foundation. Retrieved16 June 2014. – Author

*"Recopa Sudamericana 1968". Rec.Sport.Soccer Statistics Foundation. 23 June 1999. Retrieved 16 June 2014. – Author

* "Pelé o atleta do século". 3 January 2016. Archived from the original on 29 January 2010. Retrieved 3 January 2016. - Publisher, and no mention of Pelé in source.

• I saw some mention of pele.

*The 1964 Torneio Rio-São Paulo was held jointly with Botafogo – source needed. Also, please create a Footnote section for this so they can be redirected accordingly. Let me know if you need help.

*The 1973 Paulista was held jointly with Portuguesa. – Same, read above.

*"Todos os Artilheiros do Torneio Rio-São Paulo". Archived from the original on 12 January 2016. Retrieved 26 June 2016. – publisher and Portuguese template needed.

*Bola de Prata Placar 1970". Placar. Retrieved 2 November 2015. – date needed. Publisher seems to be wrong.

*World All-Time Teams. Rec.Sport.Soccer Statistics Foundation. Retrieved 26 November 2014 – author.

* "Pele receives FIFA Ballon d'Or Prix d'Honneur". FIFA. Retrieved 14 January 2014 – date

*/ "Pelé devait être le recordman". France Football. Retrieved 4 April 2017 – French template and date.

*PELÉ (Edson Arantes do Nascimento) – The King of football". In section 'Individual' of the right hand sidebar: FIFA. Retrieved 17 May 2012 – source already used.

* "FIFA Order of Merit" (PDF). Retrieved 21 January 2015. – publisher

* "FIFA Centennial Award" (PDF). Retrieved 21 January 2015. – publisher

*GOLDEN FOOT AWARDS 2012 – IBRAHIMOVIC, PELE, AND CANTONA Golden Foot. Retrieved 8 January 2013 – date and avoid SHOUTING in titles.

*Tamir Bar-On (2014). "The World through Soccer: The Cultural Impact of a Global Sport". p. 192. Rowman & Littlefield – surname should go first. ISBN also needed.

*"Pelé Fast Facts". CNN. Retrieved 20 October 2015 – date

*South American Player of the Year 1973 Rec.Sport.Soccer Statistics Foundation. Retrieved 6 May 2011 – author and date

*"South American Player of the Year 1972". Retrieved 17 November 2015 – author, date, and publisher

*France Football's Football Player of the Century Archived 31 December 2015 at the Wayback Machine.. Retrieved 1 May 2011 – date, author, publisher, and correct archive format needed.

*"Hall of Famer Spotlight ... Pelé". Soccerhall.com. Retrieved 12 June2010. – dead URL and possibly unreliable source.

*"ERIC BATTY'S WORLD XI – THE SIXTIES". Retrieved 26 November 2015 - date, author, publisher. No SHOUTING in titles.

*""SPORT MOVIES & TV 2004 - 22° MILANO INTERNATIONAL FICTS FESTIVAL" - Ficts". Ficts. Retrieved 2017-05-25. – No mention of Pele, and source is incomplete and in caps.

*"Pelé to receive honorary degree" (Press release). University of Edinburgh. 6 August 2012. Retrieved 9 August 2012 . – duplicate source.

*Henry Kissinger (14 June 1999) Time 100 – PELE: The PhenomenonTime. Retrieved 22 May 2010 – surname first.

*Willett, Edward (2010). Andy Warhol: Everyone Will Be Famous for 15 Minutes. Publishers, Inc. p. 112. – ISBN needed.

*"North Korea, "Brasiliana ´89 - Pelé",". Delcampe. 4 April 2017. – French template needed.

*"The World Cup's top 100 footballers of all time – interactive". The Guardian. Retrieved 1 November 2015. – date

*The 20th century boys BBC Sport. Retrieved 6 May 2011 – date

* Split Decision – Pele, Maradona each win FIFA century awards after feud CNN Sports Illustrated. Retrieved 6 May 2011 – date

*KBE#Notable honorary recipients – this is not a citable format. Please add a reliable source.

*"Top 10 facts about Grace and Pelé". Retrieved 1 November 2015. – date, publisher, and author.

*"Brazil – Record International Players: Goalscoring for Brazil National Team". Rec.Sport.Soccer Statistics Foundation. Retrieved 20 October2015 . – date, author

*Archive: Brazil legend Pele retires from professional football BBC. Retrieved 22 October 2015 – date.

*"Pelé honoured with two Guinness World Records achievements in London". Guinness World Records. (30 October 2013). – format is messed up. Author and date also needed.

*100 World Cup heroes (20–1): Maradona, Pele, Zidane and Ronaldo – but who's No 1? Daily Mail. Retrieved 19 October 2015 – Find another reliable source for a replacement of Daily Mail.

*"Pelé profile". FIFA. – duplicate source.

• "Pelé statistics". m-qp-m.us. – looking at this tells me nothing about the source. Please make a complete one and spell out the publisher. Source seems unreliable.

*Estatísticas completas entre 1957 and 1974 no SPS, RSPS, e Campeonato Brasileiro foram retirados de http://soccer-europe.com/Biographies/Pele.html. - please fix this whole thing.

*This number was inferred from a Santos fixture list from rsssf.com andthis list of games Pelé played. – Add as footnote and do not put external links. Cite it using the right format.

*Em 1957, o Campeonato Paulista foi dividido em duas fases: Série Azul e Série Branca. Na primeira, Pelé marcou 19 gols em 14 jogos, e, na Série Azul, marcou 17 gols em 15 jogos. Vejahttp://paginas.terra.com.br/esporte/rsssfbrasil/tables/sp1957.htm – write in English, add as footnote, and cite the source correctly.

* "Brazil Cup 1959". Rsssfbrasil.com. 9 February 2009. Retrieved16 June 2014. – author and date of publication

* "Brazil Cup 1960". Rsssfbrasil.com. Retrieved 16 June 2014. . – author and date of publication

*"Brazil Cup 1963". Rsssfbrasil.com. Retrieved 16 June 2014. . – author and date of publication

*Estatísticas completas entre 1957 e 1974 na Taça de Prata, Taça Brasil e Copa Libertadores foram retiradas de http://soccer-europe.com/Biographies/Pele.html. Soccer Europe elaborou esta lista a partir de http://www.rsssf.com Archived - write in English, add as footnote, and cite the source correctly.

*PELÉ (Edson Arantes do Nascimento) – The King of football(FIFA.com) – duplicate source.

*Pele helps Brazil to World Cup title – History.com This Day in History – 6/29/1958". History.com. Retrieved 16 June 2014. – dead URL.

*Jan Alsos (5 November 1936). "Legends – Uwe Seeler". Planet World Cup. Retrieved 16 June 2014. – Surname first. Also, before you used a source for Planet World Cup, but wrote it Planetworldcup.com. Please use Planet World Cup instead and be consistent throughout the article.

*"Edson Arantes do Nascimento "Pelé" - Goals in International Matches". RSSSF. Retrieved 4 April 2017 – duplicate source

*"Afinal, quantos gols Pelé tem pela Seleção Brasileira?". Esporte. Retrieved 4 April 2017 – dead URL.

* "Prolific Scorers Data". Rec.Sport.Soccer Statistics Foundation. Retrieved 16 June 2014. - author and date of update.

• Jogos e goals de Pelé pelo Santos – author, date, publisher, Portuguese template, and page.

None of which were given by the publisher.

*Pelé". Santos FC. Retrieved 22 September 2015 – Portuguese template.

Final issues

@JerrySa1: I did several copyedits in the introduction for better flow, and finally made all the final touches. I'm posting the final issues that were not taken care of the first time or that came up later. BTW, thank you for putting up with me throughout this ardious and long GA process. I figured that instead of failing it, I could help you with the fixes and work together. These are the FINAL issues (I promise). We're close to getting this done. I'll leave it open until next Friday (1 week is the standard). MX (✉ • ✎) 06:25, 21 July 2017 (UTC)

• Anibal Massaini Neto (Director/Producer), (2004). Pelé Eterno [Documentary film]. Brazil: Anima Produções Audiovisuais Ltda. International: Universal Studios Home Video. – per WP:CITEVIDEO, we need to know roughly when in the documentary is this info cited.

* Pelé; Orlando Duarte; Alex Bellos (2006). Pelé: the autobiography. London: Simon & Schuster UK Ltd. ISBN 978-0-7432-7582-8. – page needed. Or let me know which one it is and I'll add it with the appropriate book page format. * Joe Marcus (1976). The world of Pele. New York: Mason/Charter.ISBN 978-0-88405-366-8. – Page needed. Or let me know which one it is and I'll add it with the appropriate book page format. *"Pele Great Goal – Video". Metacafe.com. Retrieved 12 June 2010. – better source needed. Since the person who uploaded is not a credible publisher, we need something that is per WP:CITEVIDEO. *"Brazil in the 1966 World Cup – England". V-brazil.com. Retrieved12 June 2010. – Definitely not a reliable source. *"FIFA World Cup Group 3 Results". ESPN. Retrieved 28 May 2014 – no mention of the claims in the source. *World Sport Humanitarian Hall of Fame Inductees – Pelé. Retrieved 5 May 2011. – publisher; source is also dead, please find replacement. *Darby, Paul (2002). Africa, football, and FIFA: politics, colonialism, and resistance. F. Cass. pp. 110–. ISBN 978-0-7146-4968-9. Retrieved31 March 2012. – is there another page besides 110? If so, let me know. *"Pelé IP Ownership LLC v. Samsung Electronics Co., Ltd., No. 16-03354 (N.D. Ill. amended complaint filed May 25, 2016)". Retrieved 23 June2016. – this violates WP:BLPPRIMARY

• "Pelé statistics". m-qp-m.us. – looking at this tells me nothing about the source. Please make a complete one and spell out the publisher. Source seems unreliable.
  • I found it in the past cited by Bleacher Report, and I trust them.

*Honours section - Tags I requested, see here. *Career statistics section - Tags I requested, see here. *Career statistics section - Messed up column/boxes for "Campeonato Brasileiro Série", see here. *Notes section - Tags requested for footnotes that made absolute statements of fact without sources, see here.

Semi-protected edit request on 22 June 2017

Under New York Cosmos heading, it reads: Two years later, he came out of semi-retirement to sign with the New York Cosmos of the North American Soccer League (NASL) for the 1975 season.

the source is: [[1975 North American Soccer League season|1975 season]] which should be modified. Ghaylan de Damas (talk) 16:19, 22 June 2017 (UTC)

Done: I think you were requesting a correction to the wikilink syntax, which I have done since it's a minor edit only. If I missed something please reopen this edit request with a more specific explanation of your request. Thanks, —KuyaBriBri^Talk 17:08, 22 June 2017 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 22 June 2017

Under New York Cosmos heading, it reads: Two years later, he came out of semi-retirement to sign with the New York Cosmos of the North American Soccer League (NASL) for the [[1975 North American Soccer League season|1975 season]]. Ghaylan de Damas (talk) 16:20, 22 June 2017 (UTC)

Answered above. —KuyaBriBri^Talk 17:08, 22 June 2017 (UTC)

Separate article for awards/honours

I want to propose creating a separate article for the list of awards/honours, and keeping a summary of his major awards/accomplishments here. Having an exhaustive list of things he was praised for during his career doesn't help when we can explain his prolific career in other ways. I suggested in the Good Article review that we should make something like this. MX (✉ • ✎) 16:09, 12 August 2017 (UTC)

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Lead section

We have articles on Lionel Messi, Diego Maradona, Pelé, and probably other footballers all stating some variation of them being widely considered the greatest in history or of all time. At Talk:Cristiano Ronaldo, it was proposed to use the same language after Ronaldo's recent Ballon d'Or and subsequent hype. The very fact that we have at least three articles making the same claim, not to mention the perpetual "greatest of all time" debates that occur in every sport, suggests that all these articles should say: "widely considered to be one of the greatest ever" or equivalent to comply with WP:NPOV. It is obviously a fiercely debated topic and stating any one player as "the greatest" is non-encyclopedic. I have accordingly made this change but I am obviously open to establishing a consensus for the preferred language. Eggishorn (talk) (contrib) 19:16, 30 December 2017 (UTC)

There's nothing un-encyclopedic about saying that many in the sport consider [x] to be the greatest of all time on multiple pages. We're not saying that all of them are the greatest or even that all of them are considered the greatest by most, just by many. And they are all considered by many people (whose opinions on this matter) to be the greatest of all time. That's factual, logical, encyclopedic, and very, very relevant to their respective articles.

Just as an idea, would it make sense to create an article on this topic? Something like Greatest football player of all time where we can discuss all of them, which "greatest" accolades they've received, which people think which person is the greatest, etc.? -- irn (talk) 14:43, 1 January 2018 (UTC)

I do not see why, simply because some Ronaldo fans are unhappy that Messi is considered one of the three greatest of all time, that the sentences for Pele, Maradona and Messi need to be changed. For a long time Pele and Maradona have been considered the greatest, with people debating which is the greater. Messi is the only other player to be consisently talked of alongside those two. Ronaldo, never, except by his own managers or fellow Portuguese (or himself). For example, FourFOurTwo recently compiled a 100 greatest of all time, which you can see here: https://www.fourfourtwo.com/features/fourfourtwos-100-greatest-footballers-ever Pele, Messi and Maradona are widely regarded as being the greatest by players, former players and journalists, Ronaldo is not. O'Flannery (talk) 23:29, 31 December 2017 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 18 April 2018

Please remove the "Total inc. Friendlies" column under Career statistics because it is false and is fan-generated content added by a user named Lsw10 (diff). There is no source to support the content. Friendly matches aren't even official.1.9.47.34 (talk) 05:24, 18 April 2018 (UTC) 1.9.47.34 (talk) 05:24, 18 April 2018 (UTC)

There is also a concern about the user's editing here.1.9.47.34 (talk) 05:27, 18 April 2018 (UTC)

 Not done: According to the page's protection level you should be able to edit the page yourself. If you seem to be unable to, please reopen the request with further details. L293D (☎ • ✎) 17:34, 20 April 2018 (UTC)

KBE

Pelé’s article is protected. I suggest include after his name the KBE order title that he owns. It should be like that: “Edson Arantes do Nascimento, KBE ...” Pietovte (talk) 05:26, 5 May 2018 (UTC)

"Retained"

Can I suggest someone who understands what the word "retained" means go in and edit the article.

You cannot "retain" a title you lost. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:283:4601:A446:7C0B:22C6:2B0C:B956 (talk) 00:28, 14 May 2018 (UTC)

Hebrew is not Portuguese

It says in the article that "Apart from the assertion that the name is derived from that of Bilé, and that it is Hebrew for "miracle" (פֶּ֫לֶא), the word has no known meaning in Portuguese." This gives the impression that פֶּ֫לֶא is a Portuguese word. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.145.5.46 (talk) 21:00, 2 July 2018 (UTC)

I don’t think it gives that impression at all. The way I read it, which I assume is the correct way, is that it’s saying Pelé (not Bilé) has no known meaning in Portuguese. I find it quite spurious that his nickname is derived from Hebrew, but that’s a discussion for another time. – PeeJay 21:05, 2 July 2018 (UTC)

That sentence quite clearly says, through the use of the phrase "apart from", that פֶּ֫לֶא being the Hebrew for "miracle" gives the name a meaning in Portuguese. This seems incorrect. 109.145.5.46 (talk) 01:32, 3 July 2018 (UTC)

No, it doesn’t. You’re misreading it. – PeeJay 08:37, 3 July 2018 (UTC)

Senior apps/goals in the Infobox

Hey, guys, I missed the original discussion, but, If I may, I'd like to add some points.
I see that the numbers in the Infobox consider all the domestic competitions simultaneously -- but shouldn't it concern only the (main) domestic league of each year?
Torneio Rio-SP, for instance, was never the main competition. Sometimes state league results would even be counted in the Rio-SP table. Besides, more often than not teams would avoid using 1st team players in some matches due to its smaller importance in comparison to the state leagues. Another point is that the last Taça Brasil took place in 1968, which made state leagues lose much of their relevance in the national scenario from 1969 on (thus no longer the main domestic leagues) since they were qualifiers for Taça Brasil.
For those reasons, I believe it would be fair to use numbers from Campeonato Paulista only until 1968 -- plus all the numbers from national competitions (Taça Brasil + Torneio Roberto Gomes Pedrosa/Taça de Prata + Série A), which would add up 477 apps and 508 goals. Any thoughts? —Lesfer ^(t/c/@) 12:49, 19 September 2018 (UTC)

Would like to edit

I would like to edit the Honours box such as changing the gold medals to "Winners" and removing "National Team". I believe that is not needed

 Not done: this is not the right page to request additional user rights. You may reopen this request with the specific changes to be made and someone will add them for you, or if you have an account, you can wait until you are autoconfirmed and edit the page yourself. DannyS712 (talk) 04:36, 11 February 2019 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 4 February 2020

May I please edit this page for my classroom?We are learning about Pelé.We are a fourth grade classroom, we hope to get permission. 66.90.255.249 (talk) 16:00, 4 February 2020 (UTC)

You can suggest edits here on this talk page on the form "please change x to y", you can also copy the article over to your sandbox and work on it there, then you can request on this talk page that someone apply your edits. – Thjarkur (talk) 16:39, 4 February 2020 (UTC)

Minor change for spelling/capitalization

Please change "French three time Balon D'or winner Michel Platini" (under Accolades) to "French three-time Ballon d'Or winner Michel Platini"

Valkyr (talk) 16:05, 11 February 2020 (UTC)

 Done. Thanks! Favonian (talk) 16:10, 11 February 2020 (UTC)

Was Pele really that great?

Other people are just as good, and I do agree pele is great. but others might be better...Bobbybill22 (talk) 01:02, 1 March 2018 (UTC)

While that may be true, please keep in mind that this is not a forum but rather a place to discuss changes to the article. Cheers, -- irn (talk) 14:41, 1 March 2018 (UTC)

I agree with irn. It's written that he was "one of the greatest" not "the greatest", which is true. Talk about other players, the greatest current player is considered to be messi but he wasn't able to match up to pelé's level. Uddhav9 (talk) Uddhav9 (talk) 17:47, 1 July 2018 (UTC)

"wasn't able to match up to pelé's level": not the truth, just your opinion. Ae245 (talk) 08:10, 2 May 2020 (UTC)

Friendly

Some of the stats in this article also count friendly games which I don't think is appropriate. I have not seen another footballer's article consisting of friendly statistics, so why should Pelé be an exception? I think only official games should be included in this article and all instances of friendly (games/goals) should be removed from the article. Ae245 (talk) 08:17, 2 May 2020 (UTC)

About his Street Football carreer

Yeah, trust me. He played street football, futsal and cricket. We should add some info on that. And please don't make a point without any solid evidence. Uddhav9 (talk) 17:49, 1 July 2018 (UTC)

• Do you think Indoor soccer at Radium Futebol Clube counts as futsal, or did he also play "indoor soccer"? IPOokap (talk) 18:38, 5 August 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 5 August 2020

Collapsed infoboxes

On this infobox: Pelé Pelé in 1995 Born Edson Arantes do Nascimento (1940-10-23) 23 October 1940 Três Corações, Minas Gerais, Brazil Occupations Footballer humanitarian Height 1.73 m (5 ft 8 in) Spouses Rosemeri dos Reis Cholbi ​ ​ (m. 1966⁠–⁠1982)​ Assíria Lemos Seixas ​ ​ (m. 1994⁠–⁠2008)​ Marcia Aoki ​ (m. 2016)​ Partner Xuxa Meneghel (1981–1986) Children 7 Parent(s) Dondinho, Celeste Arantes Association football career Position(s) Forward Attacking midfielder Youth career 1953–1956 Bauru Senior career* Years Team Apps (Gls) 1956–1974 Santos 496 (504) 1975–1977 New York Cosmos 64 (37) Total 560 (541) International career 1957–1971 Brazil 92 (77) Medal record Men's Football Representing Brazil FIFA World Cup Winner 1958 Sweden Winner 1962 Chile Winner 1970 Mexico Copa América Runner-up 1959 Argentina *Club domestic league appearances and goals Website pele10.com , I want to add youth teams. This is the changed infobox. Look at the youth section: Pelé Pelé in 1995 Born Edson Arantes do Nascimento (1940-10-23) 23 October 1940 Três Corações, Minas Gerais, Brazil Occupations Footballer humanitarian Height 1.73 m (5 ft 8 in) Spouses Rosemeri dos Reis Cholbi ​ ​ (m. 1966⁠–⁠1982)​ Assíria Lemos Seixas ​ ​ (m. 1994⁠–⁠2008)​ Marcia Aoki ​ (m. 2016)​ Partner Xuxa Meneghel (1981–1986) Children 7 Parent(s) Dondinho, Celeste Arantes Association football career Position(s) Forward Attacking midfielder , Canto do Rio, São Paulinho, and Amériquinha, Radium Youth career 1953–1956 Bauru Sete de Setembro Canto do Rio São Paulinho Amériguinha Radium (indoor) Senior career* Years Team Apps (Gls) 1956–1974 Santos 496 (504) 1975–1977 New York Cosmos 64 (37) Total 560 (541) International career 1957–1971 Brazil 92 (77) Medal record Men's Football Representing Brazil FIFA World Cup Winner 1958 Sweden Winner 1962 Chile Winner 1970 Mexico Copa América Runner-up 1959 Argentina *Club domestic league appearances and goals Website pele10.com

IPOokap (talk) 18:32, 5 August 2020 (UTC)

• Sorry, the infoboxes don't seem to work, you can go into editing the wikitext and they will show IPOokap (talk) 18:34, 5 August 2020 (UTC)

I am not sure if this is a test or what, but I do not have sufficient information to fulfill this edit request, so closing. Aasim 00:51, 11 August 2020 (UTC)

Oh, if you want to show the wikitext in the infobox that needs to be changed, you can use <nowiki></nowiki> tags. Feel free to reopen this request once you have done so. Aasim 00:59, 11 August 2020 (UTC)

Pelé played in these youth teams unofficially, without any information about the periods played and any statistics. The only thing I personally know is that he during his youth career in Bauru he scored more 700 goals. Γεώργιος Τερζής 2 (talk) 19:40, 14 August 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 22 June 2020

Pele's appearances and goals should be 468 and 501 respectively in the first info-box. The figures 694 and 650 are representative of his total scored goals, i.e. in league and cup. But, according to Wikipedia's policy of having to show only the league records in the first info-box, it should pertain to Pele's info-box as well. As, every other player in Wikipedia have only their league appearance and goals in their first info-box. Your Neighborhood Friend 1 (talk) 06:54, 22 June 2020 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Eggishorn (talk) (contrib) 00:36, 23 June 2020 (UTC)

Check any other footballer's first infobox. Only the goals and appearances of league matches are stated. Check Cruyff Maradona Messi Ronaldo Neymar etc. In their first infobox, i.e. the box containing information of their name, d.o.b, height, spouse etc. Only league appearance and goals are shown. The same should pertain to Pelé. Thank you. Hopefully, you'll change it to 468 and 501. Cheers! Your Neighborhood Friend 1 (talk) 14:02, 23 June 2020 (UTC)

IFFHS has recognized 412 games and 470 league goals in Paulista championship, 84 games and 34 goals in Campeonato Brazileiro and 64 games and 37 goals in NASL. These are the official league goals of Pelé. Γεώργιος Τερζής 2 (talk) 19:51, 14 August 2020 (UTC)

Pelé and the Civil War in Nigeria

There's a disagremment about the year that the exhibition game of Santos took part in Nigeria. But the truth can be found quite easily. -The civil war in Nigeria started in May 1967. -Santos played three friendly games in Argentina between 19 and 29 of January 1967. -The complete lists of Pelé's goals confirms that this exhibition game took part in Nigeria on 26th of January 1969. On 19th of January and 23th Santos played two friendlies with the National team of Congo and then travelled to Nigeria asking for a minimal protection from the ongoing war. The goverement of Nigeria ensured the Brazilian team for a 48-hour cease-fire. That's the absolute truth. Γεώργιος Τερζής 2 (talk) 19:40, 15 August 2020 (UTC)

More extended information can be found in a few sources like : http//news-af.feednews.com › Was Pele Really Responsible For The End Of The Nigeria?

Thank you. Γεώργιος Τερζής 2 (talk) 20:48, 15 August 2020 (UTC)

Pele and the greatest scorers of all time

According to RSSSF Pelé in ranked third of all times in official games (1st Josef Bican, 2nd Romario) and third in total games (1st Josef Bican, 2nd Gerd Müller). FIFA has recognized Arthur friedenreich's 1329 goals but not the stats of Bican and Müller. So, the RSSSF statement for the rank of top scorers is in use. More of this, FIFA has no statistical authority and this is the reason why FIFA denied the recognition of the 91 goals of Messi (2012) as a world record. Γεώργιος Τερζής 2 (talk) 19:52, 16 August 2020 (UTC)

And FIFA recognized the goals of Arthur friedenreich without proofs! (simply they don't exist...) Γεώργιος Τερζής 2 (talk) 20:04, 16 August 2020 (UTC)

League goals :explanation of note 11

In 2010, CBF (the Brazilian Football Federation) recognized Taça Brazil and the Torneio Roberto Gomes Pedrosa till 1971, as equal to Campeonato Brazileiro. So, the tables with Pelé's stats in Santos are due to this decision (and can be regarded as correct). According to this, Pelé would have scored 607 league goals (Campeonato Paulista 470, Campeonato Brazileiro 100, NASL 37). But this is a result of a decision taken on a national level. International statistics federations (IFFHS, RSSSF) are not obliged to accept what national or even international associations/federations (FIFA, UEFA) decide. The latest edition of RSSSF - Prolific Scorers Data, still recognise as Campeonato Brazileiro goals of Pelé only those since the official season the championship started (since 1971). Γεώργιος Τερζής 2 (talk) 00:44, 21 August 2020 (UTC)

As a continue IFFHS currently describes Pelé as a scorer of 541 league goals. These are the facts that can be easily found. Not my opinion. Γεώργιος Τερζής 2 (talk) 01:24, 21 August 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 24 October 2020

Change the location of Soccer Bowl 77 from New Jersey to Oregon. Portland Civic Stadium is located in Portland, Oregon. 24.16.33.241 (talk) 17:00, 24 October 2020 (UTC)

 Done RudolfRed (talk) 20:59, 24 October 2020 (UTC)

KBE Sufix is Allowed! (Not Prefix Sir)

"When a foreign national receives an honorary knighthood of an order of chivalry, he is not entitled to the prefix Sir, but he may place the appropriate letters after his name. (...) An honorary knight of an order of chivalry uses the appropriate letters after his name, but without the prefix Sir because he is not eligible to receive the accolade." (Elizabeth Wyse, Jo Aitchison, Zöe Gullen, Eleanor Mathieson, ed. (2006). "Forms of Address". Debrett's Correct Form (2006 ed.). Richmond, Surrey: Debrett's Limited. pp. 98, 100. ISBN 978-1-870520-88-1.

Other reference: How Does One Become A Knight? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Zambrone (talk • contribs) 18:23, 9 December 2020 (UTC)

Ummm, okay? – PeeJay 19:26, 9 December 2020 (UTC)

References

Semi-protected edit request on 19 February 2021

Website information is incorrect or has been compromised www.pele.com has been redirected to https://adamriveravo.com Also pele10.com is redirected to an online bookstore. Both websites need to be removed. I was not able to find an active website for the history athlete. Shawna-alala (talk) 21:09, 19 February 2021 (UTC)

 Done. pele10.com does not seem to be in the article. ◢  Ganbaruby!  (Say hi!) 00:23, 20 February 2021 (UTC)

Pele in Santo Domingo in 1976

In 1976 Pele didn't play against Violet atletic club in Santo Domingo..

The game was in Port au Prince, Haiti, Stade Syvio Cator. It was  a promotion for Pepsi cola. It finished 2-1 for Violet Ac against New York Cosmos. Pele didn't score. I was there with my late father. 173.59.20.217 (talk) 22:49, 15 March 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 14 October 2021

I would like to edit this source because I would like to talk about him as an icon in FIFA 22 Jacklovesliverpool (talk) 22:52, 14 October 2021 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 22:55, 14 October 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 15 August 2022

Grammar error 2001:BB6:7B31:7300:50E3:D3A6:5308:F151 (talk) 14:19, 15 August 2022 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. MadGuy7023 (talk) 14:26, 15 August 2022 (UTC)