Talk:PSINet

I could have sworn that PSINet began in 1986 or 1987

I could have sworn that PSINet began in 1986 or 1987. Can anybody confirm? I think 1989 is late. Considering their rival at the time (UUNET) was started in 1987. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Albyva (talk • contribs)

I found a couple of documents. One says, "…Mr. Schrader served as President and Chief Executive Officer of NYSERNet from January 1986 to December 1989." Another has Schrader saying, "In 1989, a long time friend, Martin Schoffstall, and I saw an opportunity to build a company to sell computer networking services…" When time permits I'll add those refs to the article, though I'd be happy to have someone beat me to it. —RandallJones 08:52, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

Evidence of 1987 Formation

This website (http://www.greatachievements.org/?id=3736) says the following;

1987 UUNET and PSINET are formed UUNET is formed by Rick Adams and PSINET is formed by Bill Schrader to provide commercial Internet access. At DARPA's request, Dan Lynch organizes the first Interop conference for information purposes and to bring vendors together to test product interoperability. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Albyva (talk • contribs) 18:31, 25 April 2007 (UTC).

2nd source mentioning PSI began in 1987 from Cybertelecom Federal Internet Law & Policy - An Educational Project URL: http://www.cybertelecom.org/notes/internet_history80s.htm

1987: UUNET formed. PSINet formed.

As I dig deeper, what I'm finding is that NYSERNet which started in 1985 was running a private not-for-profit corporation created to foster science and education in New York State. In 1987, they deployed first statewide regional IP network. This was the first in a succession of high-performance networks built by NYSERNet, two of which resulted in commercial spin-offs. The spinoff in 1989 was PSINet. So technically, PSINet's birth year was 1989, although the foundation for its existance began in 1987.

NYSERNet History

NYSERNET (New York State Education and Research Network) was a non-profit IP network founded in 1985 by Bill Schrader and Marty Schoffstall. In 1989, they both left and founded Performance Systems International Inc.("PSI"), later renamed PSINet. All but two, as I recall, of the NYSERNet staff left to go to PSI. NYSERNet and PSI negotiated a contract for maintenance of the NYSERNet Network. PSI had that contract for several years.

So while it wasn't a spin off, per se, there was a definate relationship between the two. Legally, however, different companies, boards, ownerships.

I may have some supporting data that I can post at a later date. Cheers. 510Huntmar (talk) 21:43, 6 December 2007 (UTC)

I referenced a PDF from psi.com with a customer service/tcp protocol tutorial that is a quite good reference for the creation of NYSERNET in 1985 in my opinion: http://www.support.psi.com/support/tut/01T_Intro_&_History.pdf The PDF (probably made from PowerPoint or similar) itself is dated 1997. --Tronicum (talk) 08:30, 12 May 2011 (UTC)

SPAM

It's unsuual to see a wiki page permitting such defacing to occur. It's probably a good idea for the spam sections of the article to be removed. All network providers have spam issues, cogent isn't any worse or better then anyone else. In fact I can reference some ISPs with much worse reputations then Cogent/PSInet and they host mirrors for spam databases. Hopefully anyone watching this page will add their .02.Woods01 (talk) 04:13, 14 March 2010 (UTC)

I agree with woods01, i think it's out of the ordinary and doesn't really add to anything. further, it is extremely isolated, whining about a single /24 on a company that has hundreds of thousands of IP's. give me a break. people need to grow up.Jgeddis (talk) 11:01, 15 May 2010 (UTC)

Unreliable, possibly untrue statements

This article makes a number of unsourced claims that are either untrue or which are unverified. This is particularly true in the "PSINet firsts" section. An example is "Built first civilian backbone (NSFNET)". Another is "Founded first regional network (NYSERNET) 1985". If better references cannot be added, I think the entire "firsts" section should be deleted. --Jeff Ogden (W163) (talk) 02:42, 27 August 2012 (UTC)

 Done I went ahead and deleted the "PSINet firsts" section. It has been flagged with a citation needed template since December 2010. I moved the one reference from the section (the only inline reference in the entire article) into the References section, so it won't be lost. There is more work that should be done to improve this article. --Jeff Ogden (W163) (talk) 23:46, 7 September 2012 (UTC)

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