Talk:Oddworld: Abe's Oddysee

Early comments

I've just noticed that the title for "Oddworld: Abe's Oddysee" needs to be moved or changed because it says "Oddworld:Abe's Oddysee" because really there should be another space in the title. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Yuri Elite (talk • contribs) 21:45, 25 February 2006 (UTC)

Any sources for the differences in the Japanese version? They seem pretty absurd, not to mention poorly written. - Nova Prime 04:10, 11 March 2006 (UTC)

Definitely written by a fan. Fair enough, it's a good game, but I suspect it's not "one of the first to have an effective artificial intelligence" - the creatures are well programmed but no groundbreaking technology really. References would be good for such claims.

Removed. From my memory of playing the game 7 years ago, I wouldn't say the characters have any artificial intelligence whatsoever. User:dbenbenn 04:49, 9 April 2006 (UTC)

why was his lips stichet together — Preceding unsigned comment added by 195.93.21.97 (talk) 14:19, 24 May 2006 (UTC)

I tried

Well, I tried to make things a little better. Grammatically mainly, although I tried to edit things to keep them more to the point.

I didn't change much of what the author originally said, but I tried to find references for what I could. Although some I still can't find anywhere. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jessadactyl (talk • contribs) 07:20, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

Started doing some work...

• I thought I'd have a go and help improve this article. I have rewritten around 90% of it and I believe it only needs some refining. Feedback would be smashing. -Abraham Lure 02:00, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

• Great work! I tried to improve this article last weekend but i'm not good at writing prose. --Mika1h 12:38, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

Pictures

I see some kind soul has helpfully, and apparently randomly, deleted the images which were being used in this article. Thanks for that.—Abraham Lure 16:31, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

• Mailer diablo deleted them when he deleted the Oddworld: Abe article. I left him a message about it. --Mika1h 20:30, 10 November 2006 (UTC)
  • Seems he fixed it now. --Mika1h 23:41, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

• Good.—Abraham Lure 19:54, 11 November 2006 (UTC)

Link Spam

I added a link to the walkthrough we created which was deleted as link spam. (http://www.megaproducts.co.uk/games/abes/) Perhaps I cna give you a little background.

I was in the UK developemnt dept. for GT Interactive and in charge of the game testing over here. We did pretty much all the game play testing. Whilst there I wrote the offical solution to a number of games.

If you still think it'sspam, then that's fine, but I do think the link merrits inclusion. LiamVictor 18:09, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

• We already have the GameFAQs link there. We don't need individual links to walkthroughs. --Mika1h 18:37, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

Cool

Wow, this is the first time I've hit a FA using Special:Random. I feel randomly special. :) jj137 (Talk) 01:44, 10 October 2007 (UTC)

Fair use rationale for Image:Paramite.jpg

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BetacommandBot (talk) 15:57, 8 March 2008 (UTC)

Side scrolling?

Is this game side scrolling? If it is split into screens, how can it be a side scroller? 84.0.117.134 (talk) 17:39, 27 November 2008 (UTC)

Good catch. I don't know how I haven't noticed that before. I removed side scrolling remarks from the article. --Mika1h (talk) 20:18, 27 November 2008 (UTC)

Cover art pictures

The article doesn't warrant two similar lookin cover art pictures. WP:NFCC is quite clear on this: "Non-free content is used only if its presence would significantly increase readers' understanding of the topic". Another similar cover art depicting Abe doesn't add anything to the article. If you disagree, state valid reasons for keeping the two cover arts. --Mika1h (talk) 12:59, 1 December 2008 (UTC)

Have to agree - the Windows version cover adds nothing to the article's understand since it is similar to the PSx version. --MASEM 21:02, 1 December 2008 (UTC)

Agree, there's no need to have the two images from what I can see, although if the editor adding them wants to explain how it would "significantly increase readers' understanding", I'm open to suggestion. --Oscarthecat (talk) 21:26, 1 December 2008 (UTC)

FA quality?

I don't think this article, in its current state, is good enough to be a featured article. It has a short lead, several short paragraphs, overly detailed plot section, a cleanup tag (which has been overlooked since August), a short development section, five fair use images, an info on its Japanese release which should be discussed in the article's body, a section on enemies lacking any reception information, no sales information, a non-notable section on an FMV (which is stated to be notable by the fact that it's only in one version, which makes no sense), redundantly lists scores in both the body of the reception and its table, and the Game Boy version has no discussion of its notability whatsoever. And on the subject of images...

1. Cover image: Rationale seems like it was placed on there without thinking - lacks any reasoning to why it needs to be used, and actually calls it a screenshot when it is a cover image.
2. Plot image: Doesn't convey any image of the game, and I can barely tell what it conveys. Not a good image by any means.
3. Gameplay image 1 - The one of Abe walking. It shows the visual style, for sure, but it's Abe standing. It is not a very good screenshot at all, because it doesn't actually convey something discussed in the article.
4. Gameplay image 2 - Definitely don't need this one. It doesn't really tell the reader anything at all.
5. Japanese change image - Interesting, but do we need an image for something that is discussed in two sentences?

I'd like to see this improved, but by the looks of it, there is very little editing being done by those involved in the previous FA push. As it stands, I don't think this would qualify as a GA either. - The New Age Retro Hippie used Ruler! Now, he can figure out the length of things easily. 23:05, 6 February 2009 (UTC)

Assessment

Assessed as C; excessive fair use images, guide content [teaching readers how to obtain certain endings; not necessarily a problem in that and more in the WAY it shows the information], excessive discussion of its enemies and wildlife with no reason why we're discussing them, use of references in lead, poor fair use rationales [one of them even using another rationale used that can't even apply], and an awkward reception section [giving a single line of content to discuss the music and the only discussion being what one person thought], and cleanup tags. - The New Age Retro Hippie used Ruler! Now, he can figure out the length of things easily. 09:41, 26 December 2009 (UTC)

Stealth game?

Should this game and sequals mention stealth game element and be put in that category? a large amount of its gameplay is stealth based and this game is mentioned in the stealth game article. I know it's a platform game, a game can be in more than one category, and usually is. Carlwev (talk) 23:46, 30 March 2012 (UTC)

Hand of Odd Game

Why is this game mentioned at the end of the page? That game doesn't exist. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2.228.104.210 (talk) 14:50, 3 September 2012 (UTC)

GA Review

This review is transcluded from Talk:Oddworld: Abe's Oddysee/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: GreatOrangePumpkin (talk · contribs) 10:10, 15 September 2012 (UTC)

I played this game very often and was one of my favourites on PS. --Kürbis (✔) 10:10, 15 September 2012 (UTC)

GA review (see here for what the criteria are, and here for what they are not)

1. It is reasonably well written.

   a (prose): b (MoS for lead, layout, word choice, fiction, and lists):

2. It is factually accurate and verifiable.

   a (references): b (citations to reliable sources): c (OR):

3. It is broad in its coverage.

   a (major aspects): b (focused):

4. It follows the neutral point of view policy.

   Fair representation without bias:

5. It is stable.

   No edit wars, etc.:

6. It is illustrated by images, where possible and appropriate.

   a (images are tagged and non-free images have fair use rationales): b (appropriate use with suitable captions):

7. Overall:

   Pass/Fail:

• Comment - Niemti, are you interested in taking this article beyond GA status? If so, I have some print sources that will be useful - GamesTM Issue 54 - Behind the Scenes: Oddworld, Edge Issue 192 - The Making of Oddworld, and Retro Gamer Issue 98 - The Making of Oddworld. Here's GamesTM article might be useful too - http://www.gamestm.co.uk/features/lorne-lanning-sherry-mckenna-discuss-oddworld/ - it isn't the one I have in print. Email me and I can send you scans.

• PS - The PC Zone link is broken. If you can't find an archive.org URL, someone has listed alternative sources at Wikipedia:WikiProject_Video_games/Reference_library/Online_print_archive#O. - hahnchen 17:53, 16 September 2012 (UTC)

I'm not really planning anything futher, but you can do it. --Niemti (talk) 18:21, 16 September 2012 (UTC)

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OK, unfortunately I clicked on something and forgot to save my edits before... But I can ensure that almost all of my points were rather minor. The following are the ones I would like to mention:

• The Japanese title of Abe a GoGo should be neither in boldface nor italicface, per MOS:Ety.
• Amazon is not a good source for plots, and Facebook is generally regarded unreliable
• Several dead links
• But apart from these issues the article is very good.--Kürbis (✔) 19:41, 28 September 2012 (UTC)
• PS: Wasn't there a boy with a gun, or is it a different game?--Kürbis (✔) 19:42, 28 September 2012 (UTC)

No humans in it. Official Facebook is 100% reliable for official info (if it was hacked it would be taken down since then for sure). Amazon link was truly retarded, though (the source was the book they are just selling and which they didn't publish neither). I don't know who did this stupid formatting of many refs, putting website names in italics, but I don't care enough to fix it. --Niemti (talk) 18:31, 30 September 2012 (UTC)