Talk:Nova Scotia/Archive 1

Archive 1

Motto

Does the translation of Munit hæc et altera vincit as "One leads and the other conquers" have any sort of official sanction or preference?

What it says to me is, "One defends and the other conquers." -- IHCOYC 04:15 Feb 28, 2003 (UTC)

The motto is translated as I'd expect it to be here: http://www.gov.ns.ca/legi/pubs/provhouse/symbols/coat.htm

I will change it. -- IHCOYC 04:20 Feb 28, 2003 (UTC)

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worth noting that NS is Canada's easternmost province, by virtue of the fact one square yard is on the grounds of Edinburgh Castle. And Lunenburg itself was on the back of the $5 for awhile. Kwantus

Is there any real reason the american colonization template is on the nova scotian page outside of the fact that Nova scotia was colonized by the french and english? I don't see the specific or unique connection to the province over any other colonized place. PullUpYourSocks 19:45, 11 Feb 2005 (UTC)

without any agenda but to see the truth told from a global perspective, i have considerably altered and will continue to alter piece-meal the history section of the article. i am more than willing to discuss the rationale i have had for these alterations. i found how the article was written to suggest that nova scotia is today some "new scotland", which seems to me a tourism push to have it seen so, not the reality. moreover, i could find no evidence of there being any community of scots (lallans) speakers and any prevalence of scottish gaelic speakers (as opposed to individuals who use gaelic as a heritage language), so please let me know what material is available on this. regards, matthew

Matthew, I can agree with the sentiment. The tourism type push to "re-engineer" the history of the province into something it is not seems to speak loudly on wikipedia. Please review my changes on Music of Nova Scotia to see what I mean... facts as I have been able to find them 1) scots were here second out of the europeans (unless you count the Henry Sinclair story, which is not considered proven). French were first. BUT the scots settlement was withdrawn after only 3 years in 1624 when the place was handed back to the french. 2) there was no more significant scots settlement than any other part of north america/new england until much later, and I mean MUCH later, like highland clearances times, though to be fair 3) there were concentrations of scots of note, in Pictou, the north shore (gulf of saint laurence area) and by regiments of scots here and there who settled here. 4) The province was pretty much mainly settled by New Englanders, both opportunistic settlers moving in when the Acadians were expelled, and then a huge influx after the British lost the war... the loyalists. 5) it is real, they really did speak Gaelic in Pugwash, New Glasgow, Cape Breton, as late as the 1940s!! and I even read that low land Scotch was spoken in communities all over mainland Nova Scotia. 6) Its Not True to say Nova Scotia is New Scotland. As someone who can trace his ENGLISH PEASANT roots back 225 years in the soil of Nova Scotia and PEI I really have a problem with the idea that "we are all scots here". IF we have the energy some time we should start a myths of nova scotia page, or something. Until then, I will continue to try and make sure the MULTI CULTURAL nature of Nova Scotia appears on the pages of Wikipedia. WayeMason 19:40, 13 August 2005 (UTC)

I would agree with the fact that Nova Scotia is a not a purely Scottish settlement. The truth of the matter is that people from many places settled and continue to settle in Nova Scotia. I have highland scot, loyalist and ulster scottish roots, which seems to be a direct function of the area that I am from, the North Shore. I have also lived in the Halifax area where I learned about the German settlers on the South Shore, and the planters and Loyalists in the valley. Now having lived away for about 7 years in Saskatchewan, Alberta, and Manitoba, I realise that Nova Scotia is a lot more unique than I had known growing up. I am very proud of my predominantly Scottish heritage, and have taken the time to also visit Scotland. I was surprised to find out how similar the country looks to NS, and how Scotland is actually a mix of different peoples. I met many east indians, slavic people, and a whole lot more Irish than I would have expected there. So in fact I do find the name "New Scotland" quite appropriate. Broad generalisations like "Nova Scotians are all of Scottish decent" are never true, but living away and travelling I have found the more common myth is that Nova Scotia is some how the same as or part of Newfoundland, and I have been called a Newfie more times than I care to mention. In order to give a good picture of the culture of the province one needs to explain how Nova Scotia is not so much a melting pot as it is jigsaw puzzle with certain cultures predominating in certain areas. I doubt there is any sort of movement afoot to re-engineer the history of the province in favour of the Scots. But it is a unique thing that the scottish culture has survived in Nova Scotia in a way that it hasn't in other places settled by Scots. I live in Winnipeg now. The first white settlers here (Kildonan, Selkirk, and Red River) were from Scotland, but there is no trace of the music and language left to indicate that. Compare to the north shore communities in Nova Scotia where, people like my great great grandmother, who was born and died in the province without ever knowing english (gaelic only, as indicated by her will from the 1800s). Of course I don't know a word of gaelic, but I do know the traditional music because it was played at community dances, etc... I'm sure an Acadian person could tell a similar story. I think the article should definitly reflect all the different base communities in the province, and also the new ones. I know donairs aren't scottish, but it is the first thing I go for when I get home. Tourist oriented material is always full of broad generalisations... isn't all of Canada just Lake Louise and a singing mountie? --Mf135gas 06:13, 4 December 2005 (UTC)

Population & area

Where did some of these statistics come from? Statistics Canada reports a population of just under 937,000 as of April 1, 2005 (estimate only). Area is said to be 55,500 sq km (which does not match the table total of 55284 sq km). Density is either 16.88 for 55,500 or 16.94 for 55284.--BrentS 21:10, 14 July 2005 (UTC)

I changed some demographics information using the NS Dept of Finance. That stuff wasn't off by too much. --Jtn5 05:29, 3 January 2006 (UTC)

Settlement

Although the Foreign Protestants came to Nova Scotia starting in 1749 (and mostly from 1750 to 1752), they did not settle at Lunenburg until 1753. (They sojurned in Halifax and Dartmouth until the Spring of 1753.) And they didn't really settle "along" the South Shore so much as settle at Lunenburg initially and then inland. Hebbgd 17:27, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

This page states that Port Royal was founded in 1604 as the first European settlement in North America north of Florida. The page for Port Royal states that it was founded in 1605 as the second European Settlement in North America north of Florida. Which one is it? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.204.96.130 (talk) 10:53, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

The _first_ european settlement on the North American continent (IMHO) was in Newfoundland about 600 (?) years prior to Port Royal and about 500 years prior to Columbus's trip. Lost Boy (talk) 18:53, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

Cabot

"The Italian explorer John Cabot did not visit present-day Cape Breton in 1497 as was previously claimed. The first European settlement in Nova Scotia was not established until 1604. The French, lead by Pierre Dugua, Sieur de Monts established the first capital for the" Anyone know why this change? Can we get a footnote about whether he came or not.... WayeMason 18:44, 23 January 2006 (UTC)

The evidence is terribly scare, beyond the fact that Cabot made it to some place in North America. The consensus is not that he landed in Nova Scotia (as currently pushed by said article and it's citation link, http://etext.lib.virginia.edu/journals/EH/EH33/croxto33.html). The continuing 'most-likely' location is still the island of Newfoundland, though a good half-dozen locations make some claim of note. Further, the only scholarly content of said link I can see is that it lists some references, and is hosted on a university website; it's nearly all conjecture (much of which is absurd and denotes a strong lack of familuraity with the Eastern Canadian landscape). Perhaps more appropriate would be "Cape Breton is considered by some scholars to be the first landing site.." or simular language that is more neutral? Either way, that link should be dropped.... Anonymous 22:00, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

The many names of Nova Scotia.

I removed the line "and Neuschottland in German." from the article. I think it is only appropriate to use names from the protected cultural groups in the province, Gaelic, French, Mi'kmaq ., and the translation of the name from Latin to English. I understand there is a large number of German descended people settled in south shore areas, but French group has its own province wide school board and protected rights under provincial law, Micmaq has treaties and reserves and protected rights, Gaelic has a college where it is taught, we have the MOU with Scotland, etc etc... I think German is important, but there are many groups (Polish and Arab come to mind) that are as large or almost as large. Logically we could end up with dozens of names on the page for each immigrant group. Thoughts? WayeMason 02:14, 22 March 2006 (UTC)

Absolutely no argument. A particular user, though I'm unsure if the same one as here, was on a recent campaign to add German notations to various Cdn. articles (e.g., the same for BC). I nixed each of them: one of them, however – for New Brunswick – was restored (and perhaps justifiably, which I've left alone) given the root of the name. E Pluribus Anthony | talk | 02:47, 22 March 2006 (UTC)

Why New Brunswick? As far as I know, as little as it may be, New Brunswick does not have a huge affiliation with Germany. Well, not one that most of the people in N.B would know of. Or, I may be just too lazy to read up, so please tell me why. User:Nachomania 21:49, 18 April 2006 (UTC)

If there were tonnes and tonnes of loyal germans after 1776 who moved there, that would be one thing. But I mean, by the late 1700s hadn't the "german" royalty in England been in England since the late 1600s? Isn't that where Brunswick came from? WayeMason 00:45, 19 April 2006 (UTC)

I agree with that removal. The German article translates Nova Scotia to Neuschottland. The languages provided on the page should be strictly the official languages. Andrew⁶⁴⁷ 15:26, 27 July 2007 (UTC)

Many Names of Nova Scotia part 2

Last night I was cross checking the mikmaq name for Nova Scotia against the article.http://www.mikmaqonline.org says that Gespogwitg means southern, western Nova Scotia, and that Gespugwitg is the Annapolis Valley. It makes sense that mikmaq political divisions did not match present day provincial boundaries. There are also names for the Canso area and Cape Breton. Technically, Nova Scotia is part of Mi'gma'gi, the name of the Mikmaq nation. But this includes PEI and bits of NB... what to do?WayeMason 11:54, 22 March 2006 (UTC)

I suppose it would be okay to go with Mi'gma'gi, because...well, in most text-books, or at least ones I have read, all provinces/terretories [sic] are mentioned with their BNA names, like how the NWT would be still Rupert's Land, but it would tell about present day....I'm not exactly sure if that helps, but I've tried. User:Nachomania 21:53, 18 April 2006 (UTC)

introduction

To be strictly accurate, "Nova Scotia was one of the founding four provinces to join Confederation with Canada in 1867." should be changed to either "Nova Scotia was one of the original four provinces in Confederation in 1867." or "Nova Scotia was one of the founding three provinces to join Confederation in 1867." Three founding provinces of Canada, New Brunswick and Nova Scotia joined in 1867, forming the four original provinces of Ontario, Quebec, New Brunswick and Nova Scotia. Original sentence suggests five provinces -- "four provinces to join with Canada"!

Were they not Upper and Lower Canada at the time of Confederation? BNA Act 1867 refers to Upper and Lower Canada, and how they will be renamed Quebec and Ontario. People in Nova Scotia certainly knew the difference between "the French" and "Damn Upper Canadians." WayeMason 01:31, 12 September 2006 (UTC)

No, not quite. French colony of Canada became British province of Quebec. With the influx of the Loyalists it was split into Upper Canada and Lower Canada. Because of Lord Durham's report recommending assimilation of the French, Upper and Lower Canada were re-united as the Province of Canada in 1840. That single province had two administrative parts, namely, Canada West and Canada East. With Confederation, Canada was again separated under names Ontario and Quebec. Section 3 of BNA Act refers to three "Provinces of Canada, Nova Scotia, and New Brunswick" forming "One Dominion under the Name Canada". Section 5 divides Canada into "Four Provinces, named Ontario, Quebec, Nova Scotia, and New Brunswick". Section 6 provides that the part of the Province of Canada that formerly constituted the Province of Upper Canada becomes the Province of Ontario and the part that formerly constituted the Province of Lower Canada becomes the Province of Quebec. Section 138 says that the use of Upper Canada instead of Ontario or Lower Canada instead of Quebec does not invalidate deeds, etc. Hebbgd 20:09, 18 September 2006 (UTC)

That is fine by me... it flows well with teh "annexed to Canada" segment! WayeMason 01:22, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

Proposal: New Article on Colonial Era

Since Nova Scotia existed as a British colony before it was a Canadian province, I propose creating a new page about the British colony as a seperate entity (perhpas Nova Scotia (colony)). This compares with Ontario and Upper Canada, BC and Colonial BC, or Newfoundland and Labrador and Dominion of Newfoundland. It doesn't mean that this article can't mention the history before 1867, but that the new article could go into much more depth. Kevlar67 19:49, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

I dunno, the history of the province is continuous, going back to 1740s and the establishment of British rule over Acadia. The legislature sat for over 110 years before Canada was created. There is no legal or constitutional break or change in Nova Scotia's law or governance at Confederation, unlike the changes in Upper/Lower Canada to Ontario/Quebec, and Newfoundland having limited self government at Confederation. I don't think this is needed. WayeMason 02:39, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

Cape Breton was only (forcibly) merged into Nova Scotia in 1820 I believe. That at least does have a separate history. Perhaps it could be dealt with by having separate histories of "Acadie" (under French rule) and the Mi'kmaq history. Consider the way "history of Spain" divides it from Spain's main article. The history is more than interesting and varied enough to justify a more detailed treatment. As evidence, see the "text from Wikitravel" below. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 142.177.92.58 (talk) 01:26, 8 February 2009 (UTC)

Bibliography

I think that the bibliography has to go. Unless its actually a footnote from the article, I think it needs to be cut down. Its a great list but its not needed and it really bogs the article down. Thoughts? WayeMason 02:58, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

I put it back in--it's full of very useful information for people seriously interested in NS, like students writing papers. It is information not available anywhere else on Wikipedia or the Internet. It sits at the end of the article and is unlikely to bother many people there. Rjensen (talk) 08:04, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

I disagree and think it should go. Bibliographies such as this lend to WP the pretense of being a grounded, legitimate authority on a subject. People who are seriously interested in Nova Scotia should not be limiting themselves to a bibliography on Wikipedia. As good as it is, WP pales in comparison to a proper OPAC. Further, I can't understand how it is that WP can evaluate the quality of these sources; it implies to students, who often cannot discern good source from poor sources, that these texts are the best and only sources on Nova Scotia. This limited list is not annotated, and sorted only by time periods and could hinder some one's legitimate research on the subject. Any one who needs to research on Nova Scotia should find an accurate and up-to-date bibliography at her library. If she's a student, then she should first consult her teacher or professor. M5w1e6 (talk) 12:23, 6 May 2008 (UTC)

what a strange complaint--the "pretense" is in the Wikipedia text, more that the bibliography. There are no such good bibliographies readily available to the vats majority of Wiki users, and unless the teacher is a specialist in N.S. the teacher is unlikely to have one. The titles were all vetted --they were not randonly selected. People interested in N.S. need a place to start further research and we provide it. If Wiki editors can evaluate everythiung about N.S.--and we d0--then we can evaluate as well the books we use to study N.S. In general it's a bad idea to erase solid information that is directly relevant to a topic. Rjensen (talk) 21:17, 6 May 2008 (UTC)

Info Box - Dog

The info box does not show the provincal dog but is in the incoding . Can someone with knowledge of the coding fix this --D053 19:03, 26 February 2007 (UTC)

Vandalism

Can't someone find a way to slap those immature students/governmental employees wrists a little harder than just blocking them for a quite short period after a zillion of warnings? I mean, atta boy for those of you who revert and revert and revert . . . but doesn't it get annoying over time? Thanks anyway for the effort! Lost Boy 05:54, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

I found a way ^^ Andrew⁶⁴⁷ 05:16, 29 September 2007 (UTC)

why is it that governmental employees are forbidden from contributing to this wiki? why is it considered vandalism? joverm —Preceding unsigned comment added by Joverm (talk • contribs) 16:09, 23 May 2008 (UTC)

Satellite Image

Can anyone find a better satellite image? It's hard to work around the clouds I understand, but 1/5 of Cape Breton isn't even shown. (I shouldn't care since I'm a mainlander, but I do ^^). Andrew⁶⁴⁷ 15:29, 27 July 2007 (UTC)

Assessment

When was the article last assessed? Has it been upgraded extensively since then? When will we know we have reached a higher standard?

Probably just lots of questions from an intermittent editor, but I feel they should be expressed. Andrew⁶⁴⁷ 15:33, 27 July 2007 (UTC)

Capital of Nova Scotia?

The article says, "The official capital of Nova Scotia is the Halifax Regional Municipality community of Halifax." I cannot find any evidence of any Statute on record at gov.ns.ca which indicates that there is any "official" capital. May we have a citation for this interpretation of fact? (Goosnarrggh 16:39, 21 August 2007 (UTC))

I mean, if the geographic region comprising the former City of Halifax no longer has legal standing as a political unit, then how can it be considered as the "official" capital of anything? (Goosnarrggh 19:32, 4 September 2007 (UTC))

Official Language

May be not too intelligent a question, but ist not French an official language in all of Canada?Lost Boy 04:44, 3 September 2007 (UTC)

English and French are both official languages at the federal level. Only one province (Nouveau-Brunswick) has legislation currently in force establishing official bilingualism at the level of provincial jurisdiction. That is to say, all courts and official agencies of the provincial government in New Brunswick offer a guarantee of service in either English of French. No other province in Canada has legislation currently in force offering such a guarantee. (For example, official agencies of the provincial government in Quebec are not strictly required to provide service in English.) However, federal courts and offices representing federal agencies must provide equivalent service in both French and English, no matter which province the office is located in. As a courtesy, some provinces do provide services in the minority official language in certain areas as population warrants.

A separate clause of the Charter of Rights guarantees that first-language speakers of a minority official language have the right to public education for their children in that minority official language, no matter what province they reside in, as long as the numbers make it practical. Of course, that law applies in Nova Scotia. (Goosnarrggh 18:01, 4 September 2007 (UTC))

ok, thx! Lost Boy 04:31, 6 September 2007 (UTC)

On that note, what is the status of Gaelic in Nova Scotia? I understand that the government has enacted policies lately with the intent of encouraging people to learn and use the language, but is that sufficient to justify its being listed as an official language alongside English, and to the exclusion of other more frequently encountered languages such as French (or the Mi'kmaq language)? Goosnarrggh 11:19, 27 September 2007 (UTC)

I too was somewhat surprised to see Gaelic listed as an official language. As you say the authorities have become quite supportive of the language but i havent seen anything that would justify it being described as an official language. Can we get some references for it? 132.185.144.120 13:45, 28 September 2007 (UTC)

I see that Canadian Gaelic was added to the article as an official language by user Tom Jefford on August 31. I suppose if we want to obtain a reference, he's the best person to talk to about supplying it. Is there an accepted way of approaching users directly to provide citations for their edits on Wikipedia?

On a similar note, is there a possibility of reaching a compromise position by revising the article to give fair treatment to a sample of the "important" non-official languages spoken in Nova Scotia? I'm thinking perhaps a paragraph mentioning it in the Culture & Demographics section, or maybe even a link to a separate article. Goosnarrggh 17:18, 2 October 2007 (UTC)

Christmas trees

I have been working on a series of articles in my user space about Christmas tree farming and have read that as far back as the 1930s some of the finest Christmas trees in the world come from Nova Scotia. I will post anything I compile here, in the meantime if anyone knows any good links to government statistics on Christmas tree farming in Nova Scotia, and for that matter, all of Canada, please do post them. Thanks. IvoShandor 09:57, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

I don't know of any internet sources, but I have a book for this one: after the Halifax explosion in 1917, the city of Boston provided relief for the devastated Halifax. In gratitude, every year a large tree is donated to Boston from NS for use in the city festivities. Andrew⁶⁴⁷ 11:28, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

I have just been reading up on this, and included a short bit about it in the article Christmas tree production in Canada (still a work in progress and in user space). There is an interesting aside to that from 2005. I will let you make your own judgments on that. Pity about the Halifax Explosion I had only heard of this in passing until I started researching Christmas trees. Low and behold, our article isn't half bad. : 0 IvoShandor 12:51, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

That article looks good to me, if you want to reference it. I remember that story back when it came out, as one of my college courses was having a debate about religious holidays. At the bottom of the CBC article there is a link to the NS Department that handles Christmas tree selection, perhaps that would be of some use? Andrew⁶⁴⁷ 13:16, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

Nice, didn't even see that, not sure if I have used that one or not, but I will look around on it. Check out User:IvoShandor/Christmas tree farms work page to see how far along I am on this project, the Canada article isn't in main space yet but you can see which ones are at Template:Christmas trees, note I didn't do the main article Christmas tree, it needs some work. As a note about that article I linked, it's amazing how big of a change one word can be. IvoShandor 19:52, 10 September 2007 (UTC)

Glad to be of service! Andrew⁶⁴⁷ 19:54, 10 September 2007 (UTC)

Popular culture references

A couple anonymous editors have added information from a TV show that references Nova Scotia. I remember there was a section on the main page (I think it was just called "Trivia", but I would have to check the edit history) that contained similar information. Consensus to bring a "Nova Scotia in Popular Culture" section? Andrew⁶⁴⁷ 19:48, 10 September 2007 (UTC)

I never received a response for this endeavour, so I went ahead with it. Andrew⁶⁴⁷ 15:16, 20 September 2007 (UTC)

Spelling Errors

Because editing of this page is locked, there are a few spelling errors I'm unable to correct myself.
    (kilometers to kilometres), (settelment to settlement),
and in an effort to maintain TRUE Canadian English spelling...
    (recognize to recognise) - (See "Wikipedia:Manual of Style (spelling)").
Perhaps the official editor could be so kind to take care of this for me. ~ 142.68.45.33 04:02, 7 October 2007 (UTC)

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Nova Scotia in the Dutch Empire

Hello everyone! There is a discussion at Talk:Dutch Empire#Request For Comment: Map, because user Red4tribe has made a map of the Dutch Empire (Image:Dutch Empire 4.png) that includes significative parts of Nova Scotia. Would you like to comment? Thank you. The Ogre (talk) 15:21, 26 April 2008 (UTC)

Demographics

The Demographics section says that "Almost half of all respondents (47.4%) identified their ethnicity as "Canadian."". How is Canadian an ethnicity? Also why is the ethnicity section in the Demographics of Nova Scotia Article? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 142.68.173.169 (talk) 14:56, 20 August 2008 (UTC)

I don't understand your concern. The sentence is completely accurate http://www40.statcan.ca/l01/cst01/demo26d.htm Could you be more precise about what you think should be changed. DoubleBlue (Talk) 15:40, 20 August 2008 (UTC)

White canadian is most definitely an ethnicity; if you care to look up the definition of ethnicity. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.144.165.216 (talk) 21:30, 18 January 2009 (UTC)

"White" doesn't necessarily describe the people who call themselves "Canadian" though in the census, this was a broad movement a while ago. As for why people might not wish to include a long list like Dutch-Welsh-Mi'kmaq-African-French, see the "text from Wikitravel regarding ethnic diversity, etc." section below

text from Wikitravel regarding ethnic diversity, etc.

the history of Nova Scotia is particularly hard to understand, which may explain some of the reason why so many would just identify themselves as "Canadian", here's some text that was posted first to Wikitravel under CC-by-sa and is posted here too so as to be available under GFDL also.

"The Mi'kmaq were the dominant inhabitants prior to European colonization, and remain prominent and visible in Nova Scotia today. The Membertou reserve was the first government of any size to qualify for ISO 9000 certification. In doing so the reserve moved from 80% unemployment to 90% employment in a very few years.

For a population just under a million it is remarkably diverse, Mi'kmaq, Scots descendants, black Nova Scotians, French Acadians, Annapolis Valley farmers, lobster fishermen, Cape Bretoners and Haligonians all forming distinct groups with their own unique quirks, culture and language. The novel "Rockbound" is written entirely in the South Shore dialect of the fishermen of that region, a fusion of Shakespearean English, German and unique local idioms.

Champlain named Nova Scotia "Acadie" and claimed it for France in 1604. French immigrants settled the area and became prosperous farmers and fisherman until officially expelled by the British in the mid 18th century - their lands especially on the South Shore to be repopulated with "foreign Protestants" meaning mostly Dutch and German. Many areas still retain a strong Acadian French culture, including the largest francophone municipality, Clare in Digby County and Argyle, in Yarmouth County. Nova Scotia hosted the World Acadian Congress in 2005. The Louisiana "cajun" is a slang adaptation of "Acadien" in the French. Longfellow's poem "Evangeline" celebrates the victims of the Expulsion, as does Zachary Richard's drum and voice song "Reveille". Because of the expulsion, French is far more commonly heard in New Brunswick.

Because the British at various times suppressed Catholics and Irish and Scots, exiled French, segregated black, and attempted to exterminate the Mi'kmaq, these groups often made alliances. Many French-descended Nova Scotians, forced to hide for decades, mingled both in settlements and in families with the Mi'kmaq. Recently some "Metis" groups have formed to officially recognize those descended from French and Mi'kmaq together, which include many people who fled to New Brunswick or Quebec. Later, African-descended people in Nova Scotia would similarly mingle with Mi'kmaq especially in poorer communities. It was very common practice for unwanted children to simply appear, of whatever parentage, at the door of Mi'kmaq houses on reserves, well into the 20th century. The Mi'kmaq motto, "all my relations", encouraged such practices.

Today's Nova Scotia (Latin for "New Scotland") still officially celebrates Scottish settlers from the 1800s, but these were one wave of immigrants among many. However, it may be the only place in North America where a man could wear a kilt or play bagpipes and attract no undue or unusual attention, but that's the official heraldry, more for tourists. In reality the Gaelic language is spoken by very few people mostly in Cape Breton. Most Scots names are found in the North of the province.

Another distinct cultural group is the several thousand Shambala Buddhists who arrived mostly in Halifax and the South Shore in the 1980s, mostly from California. Their leader declared the province to have a profound spiritual power and its people to be among the sanest and most peaceful anywhere in the world. Some notable evidence for this is that Nova Scotia was the first British colony to achieve democratic self-rule (in 1758), the first to strongly support freedom of the press in the 1840s, home of the Pugwash conferences to stop nuclear proliferation, the Antigonish movement to spread co-operative enterprise principles, and of the author of the United Nations Declaration of Universal Human Rights. The province also innovates in solid waste management, building codes, watershed protection and tidal power generation.

Halifax, the capital, is one of the oldest cities in North America and was a critical sea link during World Wars I and II. The infamous "Halifax explosion" caused by collision of two ships in Halifax Harbour in 1917 was the worst man-made explosion on Earth until Hiroshima in 1945. Halifax today is an education and high technology center with over a dozen post-secondary institutions including Dalhousie University and substantial operations by major high-technology firms. Academics have unusual influence in Nova Scotia perhaps because of the concentration of them in the capital. Many have even written legislation.

Unless you are a winter surfer, or like to snowshoe, then it is probably best to visit Nova Scotia sometime June-Oct when the weather is warm, the skies are blue and the water may not be frigid. The main byways are along the coast, and a lot of small shops and restaurants are open around the coast during the summer months. Watch out for mosquitoes and horseflies in the summer, however, especially after a storm.

Locals of many desirable areas exaggerate the cold, storms, pests, etc., in order to discourage tourists from moving in permanently. This tendency has declined in recent years as the population has aged. Nova Scotia's South Shore is one of the rare "Blue Zones" in the world where an unusually high percentage of people lives to over 100 years old. The province highlights this fact in some of its immigration ads." —Preceding unsigned comment added by 142.177.92.58 (talk) 01:29, 8 February 2009 (UTC)

Weather

Where'd these average annual temperatures come from? How is 39 Celsius listed as an average summertime high? These numbers need to be confirmed and a citation added as to their source. Twinchester 14:39, 27 August 2008 (UTC)

agreed, in 20 years i have not once as far as i can remember it being over 35 or under -12 degrees (infact i don't ever remembering it being that hot or cold) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 125.26.76.123 (talk) 05:15, 9 December 2008 (UTC)

Portuguese Empire?

I don't understand why there is a link to the Portuguese Empire at the bottom of the page, but no information about Portugal, or its affiliation with Nova Scotia written anywhere in the article. Could someone elaborate on this a little bit please? Thanks a lot, --142.167.199.70 (talk) 00:30, 11 November 2008 (UTC)

• Portugal had a colony in Cape Breton, see some information in the Portuguese Empire page. I think the Cape Breton page also refers that. Also some maps of the XVI century show the Portuguese claim.Câmara (talk) 19:33, 19 December 2008 (UTC)

Canada's most southern province

The Geography section in part reads:

Nova Scotia is also Canada's most southern province even though it does not have the most southern location in Canada. That is held by Ontario. Northern Ontario keeps the central region of Ontario further north than Nova Scotia.

These sentences seem almost incomprehensible to me. I'm not sure if I caught its meaning correctly, but if I did, then I'd propose this as a new formulation:

Nova Scotia's mean (or median?) latitude is further south than any other province in Canada. However, it does not contain the southernmost location in Canada. That distinction is held by Ontario, but northern Ontario's landmass offsets southern Ontario and keeps its mean (median?) latitude further north than Nova Scotia.

Now that I've written it down, I'm not sure my wording is any better. Thoughts? Goosnarrggh 19:23, 2 November 2007 (UTC)

A simpler solution is to strike the entire phrasing, either wording, from the article in its entirety. It is nonsensical, and unnecessary. The most southerly point in Canada is in Ontario. Full stop. Garth of the Forest (talk) 05:59, 14 April 2009 (UTC)

Having just re-read the section, I'll hold off on that. The current wording, while not ideal, is passable to relay the intended concept. Garth of the Forest (talk) 06:03, 14 April 2009 (UTC)

Comment moved from article

I wish somone would put somthing on this site about the induseries in Nova Scotia —Preceding unsigned comment added by 204.82.184.63 (talk • contribs) 18:30, 7 December 2007 (UTC)

—Preceding unsigned comment added by Elliskev (talk • contribs) 18:38, 7 December 2007 (UTC)

Nova Scotia Come to life

In the interest of representing the most up-to-date image of Nova Scotia I'd like to develop a section within Nova Scotia [1] on the provincial branding campaign, Nova Scotia Come to life. Nova Scotia Come to life has been in existence since 2005 and so far there has been no mention within the wiki entry of this initiative despite it being embraced as the representative brand of the province. Nova Scotia Come to life is a strategic partnership between the government of the province of Nova Scotia and the people, companies and industries operating within the private sector. Nova Scotia Come to life works to promote Nova Scotia as something other than a "have-not" backwater or historic destination catering exclusively to tourists(as it is so often portrayed) by sharing the stories of success of those who reside here. Nova Scotia is indeed a great place to visit and has a thriving tourism industry but there is more to the province than many know of. As more and more regions embark on similar initiatives I suggest that inclusion of Nova Scotia Come to life would be a valuable addition to the Nova Scotia wiki and educate readers on the efforts of the province to grow, sustain and promote our successes. joverm (talk) 12:20, May 23, 2008

This type of information belongs on the provincial government website, not in an encyclopaedic article about the province. Just the facts, please ma'am. When we want government spin we'll turn on the telly or visit the provincial government website. Garth of the Forest (talk) 05:56, 14 April 2009 (UTC)

Gaspé part of Nova Scotia? Don't think so...

Last I was there the Gaspé was entirely within the province of Quebec, and bordering on New Brunswick. To the best of my knowledge, no part of it is in Nova Scotia or even adjacent to Nova Scotia... can someone clarify the reference to this in the first sentence of the third paragraph of the article? Otherwise that reference needs to be removed. Garth of the Forest (talk) 05:46, 14 April 2009 (UTC)

Please re-read the sentence. "Mi'kmaq nation of Mi'gma'gi, which covered all of the Maritimes, as well as parts of Maine, Newfoundland and the Gaspé Peninsula." Mi'gma'gi included the Gaspé, not Nova Scotia. WayeMason (talk) 02:15, 31 May 2009 (UTC)

Category:Provinces and territories of Canada vs. Category:Nova Scotia

Category:Nova Scotia is itself a category within Category:Provinces and territories of Canada. — Robert Greer (talk) 12:10, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

I think that Nova Scotia should have a seperate category. - Presidentman (talk) Random Picture of the Day 11:20, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

I agree with Presidentman. What is the net advantage to putting Nova Scotia under Canada? We would still have all the same subcatagories under Nova Scotia, it would not add to comparability between provinces. No gain, waste of time. WayeMason (talk) 00:53, 18 September 2009 (UTC)

Stamp: Distinctive diamond shape

Call me Mr. Picky, but this stamp image looks pretty much square to me and I can't see how it has a "distinctive diamond shape"; it looks simply like a rotated square to me. Sure, the numbers on the corners are on 45/135 degree angles to the base, but then the lettering on the sides is at 90 degree angles to the base. Has the image (or my eyes) been somewhat squashed/stretched? There must be a reason why it's marked has having a distinctive diamond shape, but I can't see it.

Best wishes SimonTrew (talk) 08:41, 16 September 2009 (UTC)

It is because of the Crown in the center - must always be upright. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 131.137.245.206 (talk) 17:50, 4 February 2010 (UTC)

French names

Nova Scotia is the official spelling of NS. No other name needs to be used. It states on Please see WP:CANSTYLE/WP:PLACE that english is to be used in english articles. If a reader wants to know the french spelling it is stated in the first paragraph of every Provincial article, or there are over 500,000 french articles on french wikipedia. If french is needed in the infobox here then it should be in every Canadian geographic article infobox on wikipedia. Po' buster (talk) 14:23, 24 February 2010 (UTC)

WP:CANSTYLE and WP:PLACE speak to what should or shouldn't be in the title of an article, not to what information should or shouldn't be provided in the body of the article. The infobox is part of the article body, not part of the title. You're free to raise the issue at WP:CANTALK if you wish to initiate a discussion of whether French names should be reflected in the infoboxes or not, but neither of these policies, as currently written, says that they can't be. Bearcat (talk) 22:35, 24 February 2010 (UTC)

AFAIK, French is an official language of Canada. That justifies the use of French geographical names; if a name was to be erased at all, it would be the Gaelic name, Gaelic not being an official language of Canada after all. Greetings, Lost Boy (talk) 06:11, 25 February 2010 (UTC)

New Scotland?

Does anyone ever actually use "New Scotland", besides as a translation of the original Latin? I've never heard it before, but then I'm an American. It strikes me as odd that it's in the intro and the infobox, though, as if one insisted on including "The Town of Our Lady the Queen of the Angels" as another name for Los Angeles. Seems to me that the infobox should be have the name in English, and then other official languages, no translations, and I think "Nova Scotia" in English is "Nova Scotia". 66.108.94.198 (talk) 01:35, 18 September 2010 (UTC)

It seems to me to be a bit surprising to see New Scotland here too. It seems a little misleading, i.e. that it implies that people use the term. If the intent is to translate the words (or to emphasize Scotland's importance in culture or history), I doubt if this is where it should be done. But of course, even though it may be (???) entirely within acceptable wikipedia style, it may also throw some readers off. This is because there are readers all over the world who may have only vaguely heard of the name Nova Scotia, and are going here precisely to learn just what this place is. In that light, we should keep such a reader in mind; that reader doesn't know what the residents may all take for granted as common knowledge. — Preceding unsigned comment added by SunKing2 (talk • contribs) 09:00, 24 July 2011 (UTC)

"Nova Scotia" in English is exactly that; you're right. I'm going to make a change. GeeZee (talk) 02:45, 29 July 2011 (UTC)

No Key given

No key given for the mother tongue image, langauage section. Peaceworld111 (talk) 10:56, 20 September 2010 (UTC)

Official languages

Are Gaelic and French really official in Nova Scotia? I certainly doubt that Gaelic is, considering that according to this article there are only 800 native speakers of Gaelic in the province. saɪm duʃan Talk|Contribs 09:39, 11 November 2010 (UTC)

There is an office of Gaelic affairs which suggests some sort of recognition. Is this really enough for inclusion in the infobox? saɪm duʃan Talk|Contribs 09:49, 11 November 2010 (UTC)

I checked the NS Government official website & it doesn't mention that English & French are the provinces official languages. Therefore, French should be deleted from the Infobox heading. GoodDay (talk) 21:31, 23 December 2010 (UTC)

NS is a majority English-speaking province, but it doesn't follow that English is de jure official. Here is one source listing English as only de facto official: The Legal Context of Canada’s Official Languages I'm changing the official language in the infobox to something like "English" (de facto). I'm tempted, though, to put "none". Blue william (talk) 23:32, 26 October 2011 (UTC)

GA Review

This review is transcluded from Talk:Nova Scotia/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: Magic♪piano 18:05, 25 May 2011 (UTC)

This article fails, for a number of reasons, principally missing content and insufficient citation. However, assuming you want some constructive feedback on how to improve the article, here's some more detailed feedback.

• General issues:
  • The article lacks citations for much of its material
  • The article needs copyediting. There are sentence fragments, and inconsistencies in spelling, e.g. "civil war" in 19th century.
  • The article lacks some information I would consider substantive, for example there are no sections on transportation, media (tv/radio/print/online), or cities and towns. I'll point out other specific issues below, but see e.g. South Dakota (a GA) or other featured place articles for additional guidance.
  • Organization: Geography should probably be placed earlier in the article. See other good/featured articles on places for guidance on organization.

• History: the history section (especially pre-Confederation) is long on military matters and short on other sorts of history. There is, for example, no mention of the 17th and 18th century economic history, and there is no political history. The long-running dispute between la Tour and d'Aulnay is not to be seen here, and neither is the nominal inclusion of NS as part of the Province of Massachusetts Bay in 1691. (I'm not sure if there's a place here for more on the somewhat interesting historical relationship between Massachusetts and Acadia/Nova Scotia.)
  • 17th and 18th century: do we have estimates for when the Mi'kmaq arrived? Were they the first humans to arrive here?
  • 19th century: "lay siege to American vessels"?
  • 19th century: Nova Scotia's economy boomed during the civil war. Fine - what was the underlying activity (what services or goods were provided)?
  • 20th century: no mention of the Halifax explosion (it is mentioned in literature section, but the historical event is clearly significant)
  • Other possibly important items not seen: coal as a resource, Marconi at Glace Bay, Alexander Graham Bell at Baddeck

• Sports: I would expect mention of hockey teams in the province (not to mention any other pro or semi-pro sports teams, and prominent university/college sports teams)
• Tourism: link "world's highest tides" is an easter egg

• Geography
  • Peninsular NS has the Atlantic on only one side -- identify the bodies on the other sides (Bay of Fundy, Northumberland Strait, Cabot Strait), and those surrounding Cape Breton
  • Cape Breton may be an island, but it should be mentioned that it is now joined to the mainland by a causeway
  • Prominent land features are not described (geology)
  • The province's high point is not identified (neither is its low point; this is presumably sea level, but it should be stated)
  • The Bay of Fundy should receive more mention of its distinctive features (cliffs, any distinctive, named, tide-related formations) and the implication of the tides on activity in the bay
  • Cape Breton should receive more mention of its distinctive geographic features

• Demographics
  • If there were waves of migration in or out of the province in the 19th and 20th centuries, these should be mentioned

• Economy: what towns (beyond Halifax/Dartmouth) are major retail/commercial centres? (a section on cities and towns would probably address this)

• See also: this section should be scrubbed of items that are already mentioned in the article

I'm not at all certain this list of issues is complete. However, I hope I have left you a good roadmap for improving the article. Magic♪piano 19:36, 26 May 2011 (UTC)

Reordering

I have ordered and grouped the sections in a way that seems consistent with a majority of the Province articles. I intend to do the same with the other 9 plus territories unless someone disputes this.Verne Equinox (talk) 23:48, 16 April 2012 (UTC)

Potential for Edit Conflict

It seems there is a history of 98.231.118.8 of adding "The virgin of Canada." to this article, an edit which is later reverted. Perhaps this is a bit early, but I fear this could lead to an edit war, and the IP may unknowingly break 3RR or otherwise get blocked for edit warring. Thus, I would like to get the opinion/rationale of anyone involved in editing this article, especially the IP. Thanks! Greengreengreenred (talk) 20:20, 24 November 2012 (UTC)

"four founding provinces"?

Should this be changed to "four original provinces"? Canada was formed (founded) out of three provinces. --Richardson mcphillips (talk) 17:24, 10 November 2011 (UTC)

I've changed it to three founding provinces. If one puts four original provinces, footnote would need editing.Hebbgd (talk) 15:36, 20 June 2012 (UTC)

Four original provinces is better. I believe that is more a more common way to describe it than three founding provinces. --Skeezix1000 (talk) 16:16, 20 June 2012 (UTC)

Agreed that 'Four Original Provinces' is the better option. It's commonly taught that Canada had four original provinces. I get where 'three founding provinces' comes from, but it's unnecessarily confusing. 142.177.63.18 (talk) 02:55, 27 June 2012 (UTC)

Another vote for 'Four original provinces', and with the further reason that people founded Canada; the provinces themselves did not found anything. Keep your fork, there's pie (talk) 05:00, 28 June 2012 (UTC)

I agree that "Four original provinces" should be used. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.231.118.8 (talk) 02:12, 2 December 2012 (UTC)

Summer in Nova Scotia

I grew up in NS and I never heard that "Summer unofficially lasts from the first Sunday in April to the Saturday before the last Sunday in October." I notice that there is no source for this. I agree that the warm season lasts a little longer into the fall, but I never considered April to be summer, or May for that matter. --Richardson mcphillips (talk) 14:47, 20 May 2013 (UTC)

Ditto. We're lucky if the trees are fully green by the end of May. 71.7.204.43 (talk) 22:31, 15 October 2013 (UTC)

Query accuracy of Nova Scotia being the first colony to achieve responsible government

This statement appears inaccurate:

During this century, Nova Scotia was the first colony in British North America and in the British Empire to achieve responsible government in January–February 1848 and become self-governing through the efforts of Joseph Howe.

What is defined by "responsible government"? If a large degree of autonomy, or self-government, is meant, then how does this account for the assemblies in Virginia and Bermuda? Bermuda is acknowledged as having been self-governed since 1620, when the lower house of the Parliament of Bermuda, the House of Assembly of Bermuda, held its first session. Indeed, as parliament was suspended in England during the interregnum, and no other parliament that pre-dates Bermuda's has existed continuously, Bermuda's parliament is the oldest continuous parliament in the Commonwealth (although Bermuda is not a commonwealth state, it is part of the realm of the United Kingdom, which obviously is). Aodhdubh (talk) 09:59, 6 October 2014 (UTC)

Second or Third Smallest Province?

In the introduction you refer to Nova Scotia as the second smallest province in Canada, whereas a little later in the article you state that it is the third smallest. Which is it? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.11.75.150 (talk) 19:46, 3 February 2015 (UTC)

Ethnic origins

I've just made a significant edit to the "ethnic origins" section, having observed a slow edit war between an IP and an unconfirmed account, which often means vandalism. On attempting to review the source, I found that the source which was there actually didn't list ethnic origins at all, so I don't know where the data had been coming from. I found another source with data from the 2006 census and have updated the numbers, but without knowing what the original source was, I can't say if I've used the same math; the new source did not match the numbers in the article, and neither "black" nor "asian" were listed as options. I've done the best I can here, but please comment here if you know where the previous numbers came from. Ivanvector 🍁 (talk) 14:24, 9 July 2015 (UTC)

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How to pronounce Mi ' kmaq

Mi'kmaq pronounced "mig-ma" — Preceding unsigned comment added by Finn Williams (talk • contribs) 17:01, 29 December 2015 (UTC)

Unacceptable reverts by Moxy

A user named "Moxy" is reverting my edit including a completely reliable, valid and official government source (Nova Scotia Government Office of Gaelic Affairs) stating "Alba Nuadh" as the name of Nova Scotia in Scots Gaelic. The source also describes how Scots Gaelic has official recognition and special status as part of the heritage of Nova Scotia, especially in Cape Breton, Antigonish and Pictou areas where it is still spoken natively and is used in many cultural festivals, road signs and educational institutions. 70.24.138.47 (talk) 19:44, 12 June 2021 (UTC)

No official status.--Moxy- 13:26, 14 June 2021 (UTC)

It has semi-official status, and has special recognition. Inclusion in the infobox is also for languages with special and semi-official recognition. And you removed a name ('Denendeh') for Northwest Territories from official languages in the infobox in that article. Stop your whitewashing vandalism. 70.24.138.47 (talk) 20:30, 19 June 2021 (UTC)

Bullshit on the whitewashing. I removed Denendeh and Nunatsiaq as neither of them were sourced. If they are used as name to cover the whole of the NWT, and they aren't, it should be very easy for you to provide sources. If they only cover part of the NWT then there is a lack of context in the infobox. See Talk:Northwest Territories#Names for more information. CambridgeBayWeather, Uqaqtuq (talk), Huliva 18:09, 21 June 2021 (UTC)

Orphaned references in Nova Scotia

I check pages listed in Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting to try to fix reference errors. One of the things I do is look for content for orphaned references in wikilinked articles. I have found content for some of Nova Scotia's orphans, the problem is that I found more than one version. I can't determine which (if any) is correct for this article, so I am asking for a sentient editor to look it over and copy the correct ref content into this article.

Reference named "2021census":

• From Vancouver: "Population and dwelling counts: Canada, provinces and territories, and census subdivisions (municipalities), British Columbia". Statistics Canada. February 9, 2022. Retrieved February 20, 2022.
• From Manitoba: Statistics Canada. Data table, Census Profile, 2021 Census of Population - Manitoba [Retrieved February 9, 2022].
• From Yukon: "Population and dwelling counts, for Canada, provinces and territories, 2016 and 2011 censuses". Statistics Canada. February 9, 2022. Retrieved February 10, 2022.
• From List of the largest population centres in Canada: "Population and dwelling counts: Canada and population centres". Statistics Canada. February 9, 2022. Retrieved February 11, 2022.

I apologize if any of the above are effectively identical; I am just a simple computer program, so I can't determine whether minor differences are significant or not. AnomieBOT⚡ 15:09, 3 March 2022 (UTC)

Dispute about Infobox content

An issue has come up: should the infobox to this article contain the field "government_type", filled in with "Parliamentary constitutional monarchy". Since this issue affects all ten provinces and the three territories, a Request for Comment has been started on the Canadian Wikipedians Notice Board. If you interested in this issue, please come to the Notice Board and contribute to the discussion. Mr Serjeant Buzfuz (talk) 00:53, 3 July 2022 (UTC)

Wabanaki History

I understand why the Creation history should not be present on this article, but why is the Wabanaki history being erased? Things like Port Royal being established in Kespukwitk, Mi'kma'ki is important information; or, if the Treaty of Paris (1763) is mentioned in the header, why are the Peace and Friendship Treaties (1725–1779) not? Why write out the history of Dawnland prior to the establishment of Acadia and Nova Scotia? Why erase the fact that Nova Scotia currently overlaps with the Mi'kmaw districts of Piktuk, Sipekniꞌkatik, Eskikewaꞌkik, and Unamaꞌkik?

Again, I understand why the Creation history revision was reverted. I do not understand why a complete erasure of all Wabanaki history is being enforced on this page. Danachos (talk) 01:43, 28 June 2022 (UTC)

some restored as per talk at AI Moxy- 14:33, 28 June 2022 (UTC)

@Moxy: You were right to delete it in the first place. The entire paragraph in the lead is unsourced and not expanded on in the body of the text, and the huge amount of text added to the body is almost entirely out of scope and only marginally relevant to Nova Scotia. Magnolia677 (talk) 20:26, 28 June 2022 (UTC)

What is marginally relevant? The Wabanaki Confederacy still meets to this day? The Mi'kmaq-Nova Scotia-Canada Tripartite Forum was formed in the 80s to ensure Mi'kmaw treaty rights were upheld. Indeed, Mi'kma'ki still maintains its districts and still maintains its primary government mechanisms. Just because you are unaware of its relevancy does not make it irrelevant.

And, you are right about the lack of sourcing. I shall go back and re-edit it with the proper sources... Danachos (talk) 18:49, 4 July 2022 (UTC)

There we go. I do not know what "huge body of text" in the body is supposed to mean when it was simply 2 paragraphs. This updated a pitiful two sentence paragraph about pre-European history into a full two paragraph note on Mi'kmaw governance structure, and I just added a third paragraph on Mi'kmaw Law. If there can be 15+ full paragraphs on European history, there can be three paragraphs on Mi'kmaw history. Plus, I went back, reworded and sourced/cited everything in them (despite the fact most European history on this page is not cited or sourced appropriately *cough* double standard *cough*)

I feel, even if more than appropriately sourced, any expansion on Mi'kmaw history in the body of the text will simply be ruthlessly censored by @Moxy and @Magnolia677. As such, I leave only these appropriate and small edits in place that, again, have now been properly cited and sourced.

Please, please, please, please do not censor this material! If you have issues or concerns with it, do targeted adjustments on the page, especially since the main driving concern y'all seem to have (aka improper citation) has been rectified. And your other concern, @Magnolia677, in regards to marginal relevancy has also been directly responded to in the explanatory note section and through various citations. Danachos (talk) 19:50, 4 July 2022 (UTC)

@Danachos: Spare me your drama about censorship. Your edit was mostly out-of-scope and it's addition unbalanced the article. Magnolia677 (talk) 20:08, 4 July 2022 (UTC)

Okay, it has been brought to the dispute resolution noticeboard and is pending volunteers' assistance. Danachos (talk) 22:23, 4 July 2022 (UTC)

The Creation Story

User:Danachos has added an enormous amount of text to the article today, including this three-paragraph-long description of the Mi'kma'ki creation story:

Kluskap monument, Millbrook First Nation, Sipekni'katik, Mi'kma'ki

In the Mi'kmaw understandings of creation, the legendary figure Kluskap engaged in many actions that would become the territories of Mi'kma'ki we see today. An ancestor of great size and power, he is said to have created many natural features through his feats, such as turning himself into a huge beaver and creating the five islands in the Bay of Fundy by slapping his huge tail in the water with enough force to stir up the earth. It is said that Kluskap brought the Mi'kmaq earthenware, knowledge of good and evil, fire, tobacco, fishing nets, and canoes.

Kluskap was a being created from sand and lightning sent from the Creator, Kisu'lk, who is also known as Kji Niskam ("Great Spirit"). After Kluskap's awakening and eastern travels, he met his grandmother, Nukumi, who came into the world with much knowledge and wisdom. In gladness for the arrival of his grandmother, Kluskap asked Apistne'wj to come ashore and give up his life so that Nukumi and himself could live on, to which Apistne'wj agreed. Kluskap, desiring to not fall out of favour with the animals, asked Kisu'lk to use their power to bring the marten, Apistne'wj, back to life. Apistne'wj returned to the river all the while leaving the two humans with another marten for their meal. From that point onward, Kluskap referred to all the animals as siblings.

Nukumi prepared and cleaned the animal, using the still-hot coals from the lightening that animated Kluskap to create a fire. This "Great Spirit Fire" later became the Great Council Fire, over which the first feast of meat was cooked. Later, whilst walking in the woods, the two encountered Kluskap's nephew, Netawansum, a being of remarkable physical and spiritual strength, who was said to be able to bring down moose and caribou in order for them to live comfortably. In celebration, a feast of fish was had after Kluskap asked the salmon of the rivers and seas to give up their lives for them. Sitting near the fire, Ni'kanaptekewi'skw came upon the three, and introduced herself as Kluskap's mother. Her gifts were of strength in the face of Earth's natural forces and understanding of the natural world. Through their relations, the understanding that all things or beings in life are interconnected came to be. This is the basis of Mi'kmaw law, called Netukulimk.

References

I removed much of this, but the editor reverted. This is entirely out-of-scope and WP:UNDUE. The input of others would be appreciated. Magnolia677 (talk) 21:12, 20 June 2022 (UTC)

@Magnolia677 I agree, most of it does not belong under history 47.54.120.127 (talk) 02:23, 21 June 2022 (UTC)

I'm also in agreement that this addition places WP:UNDUE weight on that topic. It should be removed, and if necessary, its contents moved to a more appropriate article. Leventio (talk) 13:59, 21 June 2022 (UTC)

Fine, yes, the history of creation is out of the scope, but the Peace and Friendship Treaties and other Mi'kmaw histories absolutely do belong, and I am returning that part of the text. Indeed, this is what I requested on your talk page, @Magnolia677: To edit where edits are necessary rather than totally reverting and undoing all the edits. Sure, the creation history is out of scope according to you, but the Peace and Friendship Treaties and other Wabanaki relations in the intro are absolutely not. Danachos (talk) 16:54, 22 June 2022 (UTC)

Way to to much ...perhaps on some other article. Moxy- 00:42, 23 June 2022 (UTC)

Okay, but like... this is only in reference to the Creation history. Why the eff is the Wabanaki history like the Peace and Friendship Treaties being erased constantly? Why is an article about Nova Scotia allowed to talk at length about British–French relations but consistantly having British–Wabanaki relations censored? Danachos (talk) 01:38, 28 June 2022 (UTC)

None of this should be present.BooleanQuackery (talk) 05:47, 26 July 2022 (UTC)

Colonial Borders

Before New Brunswick was partitioned off for the Loyalists after the American Revolution, were the borders of the then-Nova Scotia exactly the same as today? Were those extreme 90° angles present with respect to Quebec, and did the border end along Glazier Lake and just short of Beau Lake? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.18.246.50 (talk) 16:30, 7 July 2013 (UTC)

Redirect From “New Scotland”

I know that when you type “New Scotland” it shows “Topics referring to the same term” in the search bar. But I think it should be redirected to “Nova Scotia”. If the reader isn’t satisfied, the link to “New Scotland disambiguate” should be inserted. Nova Scotia is Latin for New Scotland so I think it only makes sense to have it redirect to this page. I need a little help because I don’t know how to add a redirect. If someone can help me with that that would be greatly appreciated. Wolfquack (talk) 20:29, 5 October 2022 (UTC)