Talk:Noddy (character)

Citation needed

"Sheriff Sailor, A Very Young sailor Of The Ocean, Owner Of The Toytown Harbour he is a homosexual"

I think a citation is needed for this. Not sure how to do the superscript "citation needed" tag, so hopefully someone else will do this!

There's an article on the show, so I think the information on the show itself should be merged into that. --Gray Porpoise 21:40, 18 September 2006 (UTC)

I think the proposed merge is not necessarily the way to go. Charles Matthews 13:14, 25 September 2006 (UTC)

Removed nonsense added by vandle. Renski 17:22, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

Earlier TV adaptations

This article only mentions the 1992 and 2004 TV series. As far as I can make out, there were at least three earlier TV adaptations of Noddy.

A stop-motion animated series (called simply Noddy) was broadcast in 1975 - this Toonhound article has pictures and details. Apparently, it is often confused with the 1990s series, as both adaptations were produced by Cosgrove Hall.

The article also makes mention of two older series. From what I've seen on other sites, these are The Adventures of Noddy, a puppet series made in black and white in 1955, and The Further Adventures of Noddy, a colour series apparently made in the 1960s. It appears that both of these were produced by ITC Entertainment, and would therefore have originally been screened on ITV. Pictures of these two series can be seen here and here. 217.155.20.163 20:54, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

The 1955 puppet version was shown on Australian TV when I was a child, possibly on ABC-TV, during the 1950s. I can still hum some of the incidental music. The villainous goblins scared the willies out of me. 'Now little nodding man, I'm going to tweak your nose!' said one.--Bluedawe 00:27, 11 May 2022 (UTC)

Oh, and to add to the confusion, the IMDb lists Noddy in Toyland (1957) - however, there is not much information in the listing, and the DVD shown there is actually a spin-off of the 1990s series. 217.155.20.163 21:23, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

There's another show called "The Noddy Shop," also. I don't know much about it, other than I didn't like it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.7.42.221 (talk) 00:46, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

Political correctness

As I have said before, and which you could read till somebody mysteriously removed it, Noddy has been subject to creeping political correctness. The most notorious example was the replacement of Mr Golly, the owner of the garage, with Mr Sparks. Mr Golly was the black golliwog of childhood memory, but was replaced as 'golliwogs' were deemed 'offensive' and 'inappropriate' in 'multicultural' Britain. (White floppy dolls never received the same condemnation.) Mr Sparks, a white, middle-aged mechanic with a country accent was moved in instead.

The laughable character of this replacement is due to the obvious alternative interpretation. Mr Golly was an ethnic minority which could not be tolerated in Toytown and so nice white Mr Sparks was moved in.

I would suggest that more be devoted in the article to the interference of political correctness in Noddy. T A Francis (talk) 20:13, 30 November 2014 (UTC)

Merge

This article provides more information on the TV series, Make Way for Noddy, than it does on the character. Shall it be merged? --Gray Porpoise^{Phocoenidae, not Delphinidae} 22:12, 4 November 2006 (UTC)

As the new series is an update of the original, Noddy should be the main article and Make Way for Noddy should redirect to it, with the latter being a section of the former. --Thoughtcat 16:31, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

"Noddy is an animated series..."

Shouldn't this article primarily be about either the Noddy character or the original Enid Blyton Noddy books, rather than any later TV adaptations (of which, as noted above, there have been several)?

The opening paragraph is just completely wrong - apart from anything else, the 2000s animated series isn't even called "Noddy", it's called "Make Way For Noddy". 217.34.39.123 16:19, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

True you are correct it is called "Make Way For Noddy"

The late 1990s series that appeared on PBS, with live-action segments inside a corner toy store as a frame story around stop-mo segments in Toy Town, was titled Noddy. --Damian Yerrick (talk | stalk) 01:48, 19 March 2009 (UTC)

Homosexuality

One of my friends told me that the Noddy series has been banned in Australia because Noddy and Big-Ears sleep in the same bed. Is this true? Fissionfox 12:14, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

I think thats called bestiality -Dan

GOOD GOD! who do you people think you are????? that show is for KIDS!not for grown ADULTS! the idiots who put that on this discussion page should be ashamed! that is just ridiculous. Noddy is a show created for children by people who have children. and NO noddy and big ears do not sleep in the same bed... big ears lives in a forest..noddy lives in a town. GOOD GOD!

I think you will find that Noddy stays at Big Ears' house in Here Comes Noddy Again, published 1951 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.36.233.113 (talk) 11:39, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

  71.48.133.201 20:27, 15 March 2007 (UTC)Professor Blue71.48.133.201 20:27, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

Um, what would be so bad about a gay character or couple in a kids show anyway? What's the worst that could happen? A child grows up without homophobic prejudices and the society becomes a slightly better place because of it? JayKeaton 22:38, 6 May 2007 (UTC)

The moral outrage, with all its exclamation marks, seems pointless. Back in the 1970s I heard that the Noddy books had been banned from school libraries—I don't remember in which country—because of a perceived gay relationship between Noddy and Big Ears. I've never found out whether it was true or an urban myth; it doesn't seem to be in Snopes. Doesn't one book have them sharing a bed? In perfect innocence, of course. This was back in the days when most people, including the most politically correct, saw homosexuality as a serious aberration, but after the days when people commonly shared beds without sexual intent.

True or not, outrageous or not, two of us have here have obviously heard the story. The question of "who we people think we are" is a particularly silly one. It implies we are arrogant for simply stating we heard a story. If the story is true, it's relevant to the cultural impact of the Noddy books; if it's not, then it's a part of urban mythology surrounding the books. In either case it's a perfectly valid point to raise, and I can't for the life of me see why anyone be ashamed of themselves for raising it.

Has anyone got documented evidence of such a ban having existed? Failing that, are there records of the story having got around? Koro Neil (talk) 15:42, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

Here is a link to a news article from 1999 about it. http://www.abc.net.au/pm/stories/s68163.htm. And here is a link to a book forum with people talking about the books being banned ("frowned upon"). http://www.icons.org.uk/nom/nominations/noddy-books

I also remember the books being banned (or frowned upon) in South Africa - specifically (and understandably) with the Golliwogg thing, but I also remember the Big Ears sleepover debate. It definitely happened; just maybe in a social context rather than an official one. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 60.234.134.22 (talk) 03:58, 24 September 2008 (UTC)

Image

I would have put 'citation needed' against the claim the image was taken from the CGI series, but found it simpler to just generalise the description. If someone can prove it, however, please speak up... but the style of drawing in that image reminds me distinctly of the books from my childhood, and not the CGI that i've been watching on TV with my daughter every day for the past 2 years... BlakJakNZ 22:07, 25 August 2007 (UTC)

Vandalism

This Page Needs Extensive Correcting. There's Much Vandalism Sadly, I Know Nothing Of Noddy, And So I Can't Do It. I'm Just Informing Others About It. QuietusExtraho (talk) 15:12, 15 December 2007 (UTC)

If you don't mind me saying so...

...this article seems to be a bit of a muddle.

As far as I can see, we have at least two articles here which need to be separated from one another. We have Noddy the literary character/book series, and Noddy the television show/character. Smushing them together in this way--with a character list that includes "Bunkey" (a character I've never seen nor heard of, being familiar only with the latest TV incarnation of Noddy, and which I would assume appears either in an earlier TV version or in the books only) on the same list with "Mr. Sparks" whom the article admits is a latter-day TV-only addition....Put it this way: if I was a childrens-lit student using this as a resource for a report on "Noddy" as a book series, my grades would be in mortal danger.

As I said: I'm familiar only with the most-recent TV series, and even then only with the American version. I would think someone with more knowledge of the British book series and the British version of the TV series could clean this up rather simply; then the unrelated info could be sent to "Make Way For Noddy", where it belongs, and a proper disambig page created. As I see things, one possible structure would be: Noddy (literary character/series)- one page; Noddy (television character/series)--one page, with sections on early series vs. later series, in terms of changes to characters, taboos, etc.; Noddy--disambig pg.

Does anyone have: 1. objections or additions to these ramblings? 2. time and knowledge to undertake the changes? Again, not to stick my nose in where I'm not wanted, but this article confused me, and I know that isn't the outcome anyone's looking for.Gladys J Cortez 15:19, 27 December 2007 (UTC)

Can I - Autochthony - add my approval of the comments by Gladys J Cortez? Even in 2010, it seems a bit of a mish-mash. I remember Noddy from the original books in my English childhood [born early 1950s] - and I suggest that the article could well be clearly divided into 'Noddy' [original books] - and then something about the later books, TV series etc, with some idea of the politically correct changes made - 'assertive minority woman' and so forth. In the bit about 'Noddy' the original, there needs to be a mention - at least - of Bert Monkey, who was in 'Noddy and the Magic Rubber', if not other books. Thanks. Autochthony wrote - 210 10 30 1900z #### —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.155.133.133 (talk) 19:01, 30 October 2010 (UTC)

Image caption

The caption reads

Noddy with Officer (P.C.) Plod. in his car.

suggesting they are both in the car, in which case it is a non-Brit lefthand-drive car. IMO the image is ambiguous, but action in the moving-image versions presumably makes it clear where the copper is. There's also probably a stray period.
--Jerzy•t 19:54, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

To the IP who disagreed that Noddy is wooden...

In the books--which predate the cartoon series by DECADES--Noddy IS a little wooden man. There are the Noddy BOOKS, and then there's the Noddy/Make Way For Noddy cartoon series. For reasons I cannot fathom, this article attempts to cover BOTH versions of Noddy, and that's where the confusion comes in. I am going to try, when I have a free minute, to work up a userfied version of what a split would look like--one for Noddy (books) and one for Noddy (animated series). Meanwhile, I've reverted to the version before the IP expresses his disagreement. GJC 04:34, 16 December 2008 (UTC)

Thank you, Glady j cortez, we would appreciate that very much. It does need to be clarified. Dieter Simon (talk) 01:10, 17 December 2008 (UTC)

And even in the animated series, I seem to remember from the late 1990s version on PBS, the stop-mo one without lip movement, a line "After all, you are made out of wood!" --Damian Yerrick (talk | stalk) 04:47, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

Mr. Wobbly Man revert

Each character in Toy Town represents a type of toy. Mr. Wobbly Man represents self-righting bottom-heavy toys, such as Weebles and their counterparts in other countries. I noted the similarity to Weebles in the paragraph about Mr. Wobbly Man, but it got reverted as vandalism, and I got templated. How did I fail? Must I cite a specific reliable source that mentions both Blyton's work and Playskool's product? --Damian Yerrick (talk | stalk) 04:29, 30 December 2008 (UTC)

The bottom-heavy toy category existed at least a century before Weebles; in fact, the books about Noddy, including Mr. Wobbly Man, predate Weebles by at least 10 years if not more. This is original research and speculation and it does not belong in the article. GJC 05:06, 30 December 2008 (UTC)

What article does Wikipedia have about roly-poly toys in general? If Weeble is not suitable, should I be taking this to WP:RA#Toys? --Damian Yerrick (talk | stalk) 15:00, 30 December 2008 (UTC)

Probably so, yep. GJC 16:18, 30 December 2008 (UTC)

Bumpy Dog

This article mentions Bumpy Dog, first as Noddy's pet, then Tessie's, then Noddy's again under the character list. I'm only familiar with the show "Make Way For Noddy" and not the books, so I'm assuming that in the book, Bumpy Dog is Noddy's, while in the series, Bumpy Dog is Tessie's. If that's the case (and from reading through the discussion page it appears there's no clear distinction between book and show) then that should probably be denoted.. in fact, I vote that article should either be split into Book and TV Show, in one article.. or perhaps even two? 72.90.49.34 (talk) 20:03, 18 March 2009 (UTC)

The 1950's stage show.

Noddy first appear on stage at the Stoll theatre in Kingsway, London (near Holborn Station) in 1954. The Stoll was a huge theatre, one of the biggest in London.

The cast in the show were all children or teenagers from the Italia Conti acting school and the cast was very large with a full orchestra. The finale was a scene at the “Faraway Tree” with many of the children dressed as fairies flying on wires.

What with the golliwogs mugging people and Mr Plod hitting people with his truncheon at regular intervals (with sound effects from the pit) I doubt if this show would be possible now, and also because of the cost and because of legal restrictions on the working hours of children in shows.

It ran for several years but the Stoll was knocked down and replaced by an office block in the 1960s. The Peacock Theatre was built in the basement of the new building but Noddy did not return. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Stephen.redburn (talk • contribs) 23:15, 27 November 2009 (UTC)

Noddy is not fat

For the record, calling Noddy "fat" is probably vandalism. PBS's Make Way for Noddy page shows several main characters, and at least Big-Ears and Mr. Plod are noticeably plumper than Noddy. --Damian Yerrick (talk | stalk) 02:57, 21 December 2009 (UTC)

Autochthony - who is not noticably slim - agrees. 20101030 1909z 81.155.133.133 (talk) 19:08, 30 October 2010 (UTC)

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League of Extraordinary etc.

Unless Noddy is an inhabitant of the LEOG version of Toyland, the relevance of this bit is pretty tenuous. Guyal of Sfere (talk) 20:22, 6 May 2012 (UTC)

Nody

I think its great that you like nody. I like him too. In fact I watched nody on the sunny side up show this morning. Nody is a toy in toyland and someone who loves to give out presents. But on one of the episodes the goblins give out presents with junk in them and when nody sees that somebody has giving out presents in toyland he try 1 of the presents on a toy bear it was a flower with a squirter in it. And every time it opened it Squirted the toy bear on the nose. If you have any questions go to www. Nody .com and for the password is nody. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.204.88.146 (talk) 03:09, 28 November 2012 (UTC)

9 April 2015 announcement about forthcoming series

An anonymous IP editor made a new addition to the article, touting a projected "Noddy" series supposed to begin airing in 2016. The basis for the edit is an announcement on a web site. I have deleted it. Wikipedia is full of unfulfilled announcements, when it ought to contain only accounts of what exists or has happened. This kind of promotional edit is to be deprecated. J. D. Crutchfield | Talk 22:48, 9 April 2015 (UTC)

The anonymous IP editor has reverted my deletion of her or his promotional matter, without comment or justification. I'm not going to war over this, but would like to hear what others think. J. D. Crutchfield | Talk 14:49, 10 April 2015 (UTC)

Scope of article?

Another user pointed this out circa October 2010, but the scope of this article is amiss. The article is titled as though it's an article on the character, but then there is a list of characters. When do we ever list characters in a character article? I propose the article be moved to Noddy (franchise). This would make the incorporated information seem better placed, since it seems more focused on the franchise. The lead would have to be tweaked accordingly. I also think the stub articles on Mr. Plod and Big Ears could be merged into this article, since there may not be standalone notability and there is insufficient information to warrant a unique article. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 18:53, 4 December 2016 (UTC)

Contradiction in name of Illustrator

I've just read this article for the first time and noticed a direct contradiction on the name of the illustrator after 1953.

The lede has "Noddy was illustrated by the Dutch artist Eelco Martinus ten Harmsen van der Beek from 1949 until his death in 1953, after which the work was continued by Peter Wienk.

However, later in the article is: "Noddy and the Farmyard Muddle (2009) was illustrated by Robert Tyndall, who has drawn the characters in the Noddy books since 1953"

Could someone please correct this error?

--Savlonn (talk) 19:40, 23 October 2018 (UTC)

Requested move 19 February 2022

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

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It was proposed in this section that multiple pages be renamed and moved.

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RESULT:
Not moved. When I relisted this yesterday, below was seen a fairly rough consensus; however, today a firmer consensus has formed to keep these titles where they are. Thanks and kudos to all editors for your input, and Happy, Healthy Editing! (nac by page mover) P.I. Ellsworth - ed. ^put'r there 22:28, 6 March 2022 (UTC)

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• Noddy (character) → Noddy
• Noddy → Noddy (disambiguation)

– I would assume when people think about 'Noddy' they think about the character. Thomasfan1000 (talk) 14:23, 19 February 2022 (UTC) — Relisting. ---CX Zoom(^he/_him) (^{let's talk}|_contribs) 18:38, 26 February 2022 (UTC) — Relisted. P.I. Ellsworth - ed. ^put'r there 19:27, 5 March 2022 (UTC)

• Oppose. No policy-based argument presented. See WP:NWFCTM. 162 etc. (talk) 18:05, 19 February 2022 (UTC)
• Firm oppose - no fact-based evidence presented to warrant primary claim. -- Netoholic @ 18:32, 19 February 2022 (UTC)
• Oppose. I think of the bird. Srnec (talk) 18:54, 19 February 2022 (UTC)
• Oppose. I think of Sir Nodward of Holdershire. Martinevans123 (talk) 19:58, 19 February 2022 (UTC)

Well when you search up Noddy on a web browser, the character would probably show up. Thomasfan1000 (talk) 21:58, 19 February 2022 (UTC)

That's almost a technical argument (although Google actually gives me "DATED: a foolish person.") I wonder if anyone could give the comparative Wikipedia page views to show if this Noddy is the WP:Primary topic. Martinevans123 (talk) 22:52, 19 February 2022 (UTC)

Views for the past year. If you only look at the entries that are "Noddy (disambiguator)", then there's actually an argument for the character being primary by usage. If you count Holder though, it kinda blows up. Is he very commonly called just "Noddy"? I'm not familiar. Seems like a lot of these topics are quite UK-centric. -- Fyrael (talk) 16:19, 21 February 2022 (UTC)

I would suggest that in fan circles he is known almost exclusively as just "Noddy", but in general circles is always known as "Noddy Holder." Martinevans123 (talk) 16:24, 21 February 2022 (UTC)

• Comment: This is a malformed request. There has been no notification that Noddy (character) is proposed to be moved. —⁠ ⁠BarrelProof (talk) 05:34, 20 February 2022 (UTC)

The reason why I think this move is a good one as recently I saw that the 'Bowser (character)' page was moved to 'Bowser' page. I felt like this would probably apply to Noddy too. There are famous celebrities like Noddy Holder, but he's always referred by his full name. The 'Noddy (character)' page has more page views than most of the other things with the name Noddy in it. Noddy on its own usual refers to the character, so I thought it would be the right option. Thomasfan1000 (talk) 02:54, 23 February 2022 (UTC)

• Support. I agree. Clear primary topic by both pageviews and long-term significance (the musician is always known as Noddy Holder, not just Noddy). Far more so than Bowser, in fact! That was a ridiculous move. -- Necrothesp (talk) 14:40, 23 February 2022 (UTC)

• Sorry Bowser, used to be Boswer (character), but that move was ridiculous? Martinevans123 (talk) 15:25, 23 February 2022 (UTC)

• Yes, given the existence of the tanker. -- Necrothesp (talk) 16:59, 23 February 2022 (UTC)

• Ok thanks, I see. Bowser (disambiguation) also a bit different, as it has many other possible uses. Martinevans123 (talk) 17:33, 23 February 2022 (UTC)

• Support. Definitely. Probably need better evidence though. YorkshireExpat (talk) 18:21, 24 February 2022 (UTC)

• That doesn't make any sense. How are you concurrently "definitely supporting" while conceding better evidence is necessary. Certainly the latter is correct, but I'm confused on the former. Sergecross73 msg me 15:35, 26 February 2022 (UTC)

@Sergecross73: As in I am convinced it is the primary topic based on my experience. However, better evidence will be need to convince others, such as yourself. YorkshireExpat (talk) 16:20, 28 February 2022 (UTC)

• Oppose - No policy or evidence based explanation has been presented, and the comparison to Bowser is not the same sort of situation. (And fails WP:OSE.) Sergecross73 msg me 15:35, 26 February 2022 (UTC)

I assume you mean no such explanation was presented by the proposer. Necrothesp's argument certainly seems based on both evidence and policy. -- Fyrael (talk) 16:37, 28 February 2022 (UTC)

Necro? I mean, they vaguely alluded to some things, but they didn't cite or provide evidence of anything... Sergecross73 msg me 03:23, 5 March 2022 (UTC)

I mean they didn't link to it, but "pageviews and long-term significance" are the two main criteria that determine a primary topic according to WP:PRIMARYTOPIC, and the evidence for the pageviews I linked above. Here it is again. -- Fyrael (talk) 03:34, 5 March 2022 (UTC)

Lol that correlation with Secret Intelligence Service because of the move requests—blindlynx 21:24, 5 March 2022 (UTC)

Oppose pageviews do not support this as wp:primarytopic [1]—blindlynx 21:24, 5 March 2022 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Post closure

That's sad. I thought this would be a perfect move. Noddy on its own always refers to the character, the other stuff such as the camera or the bird are so minor. There's also Noddy Holder, but I don't think he's usually just called Noddy. All of the top results of Noddy on its own on a browser (like Google) is about the character. Why can the page of Mario on its own be about the character, but not Noddy? I assume if you ask people about Noddy, most of them will think of the character. I don't know if anyone will listen to me, but I hope some will. Thomasfan1000 (talk) 00:13, 7 March 2022 (UTC)

Yeah, it's not really clear what topic(s) challenged it for primacy. I'm also not certain why I didn't vote myself, but I guess I felt a bit weird having never heard of this character before. -- Fyrael (talk) 04:37, 7 March 2022 (UTC)

I know, Thomasfan1000, this took a bit more analysis than most move requests. It wasn't just the numbers, support vs. oppose, but also the rationales, such as "I think of the bird" and "I think of Sir Nodward of Holdershire". Noddy Holder... picture yourself as the Slade drummer. After a gig, do you call the guitar player "Noddy Holder"? or just "Noddy"? It's debatable but it's likely most of his friends just call him "Noddy", too. If your name were, say, William Clinton, would you commonly be known among your friends and constituents as "William Clinton"? or just as "Bill"? Holder is the one who blows the pageviews away, though. As for Mario, that character has a lot of "long-term significance", having been around since the first colorful games. I remember playing Donkey Kong fifty years ago. And Nintendo saw to it that Mario became global, where Noddy appears to be less well-known globally. Perhaps a year from now this move request might succeed, specially if arguments are strengthened and perhaps some new strong arguments are found. Stiffen the upper lip, and all that my friend. Best of everything to you and yours! P.I. Ellsworth - ed. ^put'r there 05:06, 7 March 2022 (UTC)

Um, why are we talking about someone's friends and bandmates? Surely that's completely irrelevant. What matters is how the general public refers to them. -- Fyrael (talk) 15:43, 7 March 2022 (UTC)

Precisely. What someone's friends call them is utterly irrelevant when it comes to determining primary topic. -- Necrothesp (talk) 17:45, 7 March 2022 (UTC)

I would like to make it 100% clear that I have never played drums for Slade. That was Donny. I've never been in Slade, not even that one. Dave Hill 123 (talk) 19:13, 7 March 2022 (UTC)

This is at least the second requested move of yours I've seen fail because you failed to provide any policy-based rationale. You've got to create arguments based off of something besides your personal observations or what we're done at other articles without any questions understanding on why it was done that way. Sergecross73 msg me 13:45, 9 March 2022 (UTC)