Talk:Natural-born-citizen clause (United States)
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(Vice) presidents delivered through caesarean section are expressly NOT natural born persons. edit
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Have there ever been any US (vice) POTUS born through caesarean section and/or conceived in vitro? Those medical methods verbosely and undeniably mean any such baby are NOT "natural born" and thus finding even one example among them would clearly show the whole "natural born citizen" clause to be mere filler text, that makes no sense and thus cannot be enforced. 84.236.41.64 (talk) 00:05, 13 January 2021 (UTC)
- WP:NOTAFORUM; cheers. --Weazie (talk) 00:24, 13 January 2021 (UTC)
- If I understand you and you are using irony, I agree. The term "natural born citizen" is a technical term used in the literature of Natural Law. It's about family and heritage not about the medical manner in which the child was born. One place they discuss the meaning is in the document The Law of Nations by Emerich de Vattel, published in 1758, not long before the Constitution was written. The idea that it just means a person was born in the country leads to absurd results, such as anyone in the world can fly to the US for a week and give birth to a baby that is qualified to be President, even though he/she has no familial roots in the U.S. The same would go for people living in the US illegally. Roger Ogden (talk) 14:50, 31 March 2023 (UTC)
- Roger, it does mean anyone born in the country, regardless of parental status. They can be illegal immigrants, on vacation, and non-citizans. Some people deliberately exploit this situation to ensure there child is a citizen. There are obviously citizens, especially racist anti-immigrant activists, who object to this. -- Valjean (talk) (PING me) 15:04, 31 March 2023 (UTC)
- I don't think so. There is a conflict and a difference in opinions. The point is really that if you don't allow a fair presentation of other opinions to be included and allow the public to make their own minds, you are just using Wikipedia as a vehicle for the promotion of propaganda. Maybe that is the purpose of Wikipedia to propagandize people while claiming to be fair and objective? Roger Ogden (talk) 16:53, 31 March 2023 (UTC)
- Why would they not just say any person "born in the country", if it has that meaning. They didn't want kids born by c-section to be able to become president?? That is laughable. Roger Ogden (talk) 16:57, 31 March 2023 (UTC)
- Roger, it does mean anyone born in the country, regardless of parental status. They can be illegal immigrants, on vacation, and non-citizans. Some people deliberately exploit this situation to ensure there child is a citizen. There are obviously citizens, especially racist anti-immigrant activists, who object to this. -- Valjean (talk) (PING me) 15:04, 31 March 2023 (UTC)
- If I understand you and you are using irony, I agree. The term "natural born citizen" is a technical term used in the literature of Natural Law. It's about family and heritage not about the medical manner in which the child was born. One place they discuss the meaning is in the document The Law of Nations by Emerich de Vattel, published in 1758, not long before the Constitution was written. The idea that it just means a person was born in the country leads to absurd results, such as anyone in the world can fly to the US for a week and give birth to a baby that is qualified to be President, even though he/she has no familial roots in the U.S. The same would go for people living in the US illegally. Roger Ogden (talk) 14:50, 31 March 2023 (UTC)
Vice President edit
The beginning of this article states:
"Status as a natural-born citizen of the United States is one of the eligibility requirements established in the United States Constitution for holding the office of president or vice president."
It implies that the natural-born citizen requirement applies to vice president and that is in the Constitution. I don't see the VP requirement in the Constitution, and was wondering where this came from? If correct, can this be cited; and if incorrect removed?
NEVEMIND: I found it in the 12th Amendment, last line. Added citation to article
- That line reads But no person constitutionally ineligible to the office of President shall be eligible to that of Vice-President of the United States. I have removed the citation, because this is the first sentence; and it’s unclear from context how it applies to the article as a whole. It could certainly be reinstated in the body of the piece, next to discussion of the VP. Cheers, Nick Levine (talk) 07:47, 24 May 2023 (UTC)
2024 candidates edit
Like Harris (in 2020) and Jindal and Rubio (in 2016), Nikki Haley and Vivek Ramaswamy were born in the United States to non-U.S. citizen parents. Haley and Ramaswamy are seeking their party's nomination, so they may be subject to eligibility "questions" and challenges like Harris, Jindal, and Rubio before them. I, however, have not seen any reliably sourced doubt about their ineligibility. (I found one letter to the editor questioning Haley's eligibility.) As the primaries draw closer, this article may attract more attention from those seeking to push a point of view about these candidates. Weazie (talk) 21:44, 28 November 2023 (UTC)