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"His administration also introduced the Citizenship Amendment Act, which resulted in widespread protests across the country."
I believe adding a little bit of context to this statement is necessary to provide a balanced view. Opinions welcome.
"His administration also introduced the Citizenship Amendment Act which was brought in to provide Indian Citizenship to persecuted minorities from Pakistan, Bangladesh, Afghanistan and Myanmar who came to India before 2014 seeking refuge, resulted in protests across the country" — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bmmanjesh (talk • contribs) 18:19, 10 January 2021 (UTC)
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I think the File:PM Narendra Modi.jpg is the best image that can be used for the article because this is the official image. So, can I use it ? INDV100 (talk) 08:14, 7 January 2021 (UTC)
INDV100, please read WP:CONSENSUS. A discussion regarding the infobox image already exists and the general view there was to use the current image. You can find that discussion here. If you want to start another RfC discussion please do so but do not make changes to the image until you have said consensus. Prolix💬 17:45, 7 January 2021 (UTC)
I support the image recommended by INDV100Bmmanjesh (talk) 18:23, 10 January 2021 (UTC)
Revert addition of text which is factually incorrect.
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Additon of text on 4th Feb'21 by Jonmaxras is not factually proven or correct. This addition reflect one's own thought not a proven fact. Please revert changes. — Preceding unsigned comment added by AyushVerma 185 (talk • contribs) 18:44, 8 February 2021 (UTC)
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The following below needs to be removed & deleted but it has no factual evidence & it's an opinion. How come Wikipedia allows such editing?
Please change This
"Following his party's victory For The Second Time in the 2019 general election, his administration revoked the special status of Jammu and Kashmir, As Promised By Him And His Party In Their Election manifesto. His administration also introduced the Citizenship Amendment Act, which resulted in widespread protests across the country. The Reason Being The Misunderstanding By The Majority-Minority That Their Citizenships Would Be Revoked(Although No Such Provisions Were Visible On The Draft Of The CAA). Described as engineering a political realignment towards right-wing politics, Modi remains a figure of controversy domestically and internationally over his Hindu nationalist beliefs and his alleged role(Which Was Later On i.e in 2013 Considered Baseless Charge, By The S.I.t Of The Supreme Court Of India) during the 2002 Gujarat riots.[f] Under Modi's tenure, India has experienced A Very Minute democratic backsliding But A Very Big Economic And Self Dependence Boom.[g]"
CHANGE TO
"Described as engineering a political realignment towards right-wing politics, Modi remains a figure of controversy domestically and internationally over his Hindu nationalist beliefs and his alleged role during the 2002 Gujarat riots, cited as evidence of an exclusionary social agenda.[f] Under Modi's tenure, India has experienced democratic"
Stop with this opinion nonsense, you want to write OPed. Go write for MSM or on your blog. Ertraze (talk) 19:01, 8 February 2021 (UTC)
Why are people writing Opinion as facts or proven theories. Delete the entire paragraph.. .. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Chary mm (talk • contribs) 01:28, 9 February 2021 (UTC)
Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Wikipedia adheres to a neutral point of view (NPOV), which means representing fairly, proportionately, and, as far as possible, without editorial bias, all the significant views that have been published by reliable sources on a topic.Chariotrider555 (talk) 19:05, 8 February 2021 (UTC)
WP:ETHNICTY
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As per WP:ETHNICITY we are not suppose to mention the subject's ancestry in the lead. IMO we have to remove the mention of Gujarati from the there. Pinging @Tayi Arajakate, Newslinger, and NedFausa: for opinions. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 12:07, 10 February 2021 (UTC)
Agree. I note that the pronunciation of his name in IPA should be English, not an imagined "Gujarati." I will shortly replace it with IPA-en and change the ogg file to one of Modi pronouncing his own name. I will extract it from somewhere (I hope). Fowler&fowler«Talk» 17:31, 10 February 2021 (UTC)
@Fowler&fowler: Thanks for the changes, I was referring to this line → "Born to a Gujarati family in Vadnagar..." - in the second para of the lead. IMO the "Gujarati family" part should be removed as per WP:ETHNICITY. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 17:48, 10 February 2021 (UTC)
"Gujarati" is not an ethnicity. It's ok include country/region of origin. — kashmīrīTALK 00:36, 11 February 2021 (UTC)
Gujarati is indeed an ethnicity. Chariotrider555 (talk) 01:33, 11 February 2021 (UTC)
@Kashmiri: "Gujarati" in the lead links to the ethnicity. The country of origin is India which is already mentioned in the lead sentence. I believe the sentence need to be framed as "Born in Vadnagar, he was introduced to the RSS....". That is remove the "to a Gujarati family" part. Pinging @Fowler&fowler, Tayi Arajakate, and Newslinger:. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 06:55, 11 February 2021 (UTC)
Sorry, I don't think I'm familiar enough with the subject matter to comment on this, and I'll defer to others. — Newslingertalk 06:58, 11 February 2021 (UTC)
I don't have much opinion on this. He was born to a Gujarati family seems to be a fact that's uncontroversial enough. I think it's in a bit of a grey area in terms of policy, the lead doesn't explicitly call him a "Gujarati" or a "Gujarati Indian" and is more in relation to the paragraph on his birth and early life. India is a large country and one's familial background can give more context to a biography. Although I don't think this is such an important detail per se that it must be included in the lead. Tayi ArajakateTalk 23:23, 11 February 2021 (UTC)
@Tayi Arajakate:Mahatma Gandhi article doesn't mention his ethnicity, nor in Manmohan Singh, either. The second para does link to the ethnic article. According to WP:ETHNICITY, Ethnicity, religion, or sexuality should generally not be in the lead unless it is relevant to the subject's notability. Is Modi's ethnicity relevant for his work or he is notable for his ethnicity? The Gandhi and Singh articles only mention their place of birth. The mention of ethnicity in this article lead is a rarity in Wikipedia. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 08:33, 12 February 2021 (UTC)
One could argue that his Gujarati background is relevant to his notability due to much of his political career being in Gujarat politics, Gandhi or Singh in comparison were never exclusively involved in a specific state. Mahatma Gandhi's article also seems to mention his religious background in a similar context (Born in a Hindu family), which makes sense due to his philosophy being mostly derived from Hinduism.
But as I said, I think this is in a grey area and if someone wants to remove it, I am indifferent towards it. The lead already mentions that he was the Chief Minister of Gujarat. Tayi ArajakateTalk 15:08, 12 February 2021 (UTC)
An argument like that can be presented for every regional politician. I do not think only being involved with politics in Gujarat (or any region) does qualify the lead to highlight his Gujarati heritage. That kind of distinction should go to pages like Bal Thackeray, a person who advocated for the interest of Marathi people specifically. On the flipside, there are people like Rajinikanth. In a situation like this, following the rule strictly is the only way out IMO. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 16:06, 12 February 2021 (UTC)
Gujarati on WP had until now offered a dictionary definition of "Gujarati." I have now brought it in line with the other similar labels Tamil, Marathi, Kannada (disambiguation), Oriya, Telugu, Assamese. (I had to fix Bengali as well.) The only reasonable page Gujarati would refer to is Gujarati people, which is an ethnolinguistic group. I also checked some of the other prime ministers of India. None have such ethnic designations (though Manmohan Singh's was pussyfooting around his birth in Pakistan (as if we all know what Gah is) and Vajpayee's has Hindu Brahmin family (I'm not sure caste is allowed anymore)). And Rajiv Gandhi and Indira had such cosmopolitan upbringings that it is not clear what their ethnic designation would be. So, all in all, I'd remove "Gujarati," but add some encyclopedically useful information about Vadnagar. Fowler&fowler«Talk» 21:36, 12 February 2021 (UTC)
I've taken the bold step of fixing it. Fowler&fowler«Talk» 21:53, 12 February 2021 (UTC)
And I support it, for the sake of WP:ETHNICITY. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 05:34, 13 February 2021 (UTC)
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remove "Under Modi's tenure, India has experienced democratic backsliding.[g]" Ifyouarebadtheniamyourdad (talk) 08:23, 22 February 2021 (UTC)
This discussion was closed on 4 January 2021 with consensus that democratic backsliding should be included. Why are you now opening a new section to rehash the discussion?
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This article needs extended protection. There is always vandalism despite the fact that this is semi protected. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kimjongundprk4life (talk • contribs) 10:26, 14 March 2021 (UTC)
Administration being complicit in 2002 riots
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The line on the 2002 riots and the administration read "His administration has been considered complicit in the 2002 Gujarat riots, or otherwise criticised for its handling of it. A Supreme Court-appointed Special Investigation Team found no evidence to initiate prosecution proceedings against Modi personally"
Which implies, 1. That there is academic consensus that his administration is complicit, 2. the qualifier "to initiate prosecution proceedings" implies there was evidence but not enough to initiate proceedings.
I have edited this to "Several commentators describe his administration as complicit or criticize its handling of the 2002 Gujarat riots. A Supreme Court-appointed Special Investigation Team found no evidence against Modi personally."
Which corrects the implications that 1. Several commentators describe the complicity (and not an academic consensus), and 2. The SIT did not find evidence against Modi, without the qualifier "to initiate prosecution proceedings" that makes factually incorrect implications.Nolopassaro99 (talk) 08:50, 19 March 2021 (UTC)
I am going to revert it, due to there is an academic consensus. If you find to dispute that, you must be able to cite enough high quality academic sources to counter the previously established statements. WP:SOURCETYPES states that "academic and peer-reviewed publications, scholarly monographs, and textbooks are usually the most reliable sources". They take precedence over court statements. Chariotrider555 (talk) 13:36, 19 March 2021 (UTC)
WP:RS/AC says "A statement that all or most scientists or scholars hold a certain view requires reliable sourcing that directly says that all or most scientists or scholars hold that view". None of the so-called high quality academic articles you are quoting make the statement that "directly says that all or most scientists or scholars hold that view". So, no, there is no academic consensus. Nolopassaro99 (talk) 14:10, 19 March 2021 (UTC)
To add another point, you cannot decide if it is academic consensus based on four or five articles in journals (again, not all of those cited are even peer-reviewed). Academic condensus must be stated in a reliable source. Nolopassaro99 (talk) 14:17, 19 March 2021 (UTC)
I have reverted your edits. Nolopassaro99 (talk) 14:18, 19 March 2021 (UTC)
The only source that quotes consensus is Page 51, of Martha Nussbaum, in her 2009 book says "The outcome of the Modi case shows that there is by now a broad consensus that the Gujarat violence was a form of ethnic cleansing, that it was in many respects premeditated, and that it was carried out with the complicity of the state government and officers of the law." This does not show any references to this and is also outdated, WP:SOURCETYPES, since it was published in 2007 before the court proceedings and related investigation, so it should not take precedence. Also, WP:RS/AC talks about how "Review articles, especially those printed in academic review journals that survey the literature, can help clarify academic consensus.", although this is not a topic of pure science, some review is needed to establish consensus, one single source quoting consensus without any sourcing or review cannot be considered "academic consensus". Nolopassaro99 (talk) 16:45, 19 March 2021 (UTC)
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Create the new "Public profile" section and Move Personal life, Approval ratings, State honors and Other honors sections. 122.171.129.62 (talk) 10:30, 18 March 2021 (UTC)
Please get consensus for this change to article structure before requesting an edit. Thanks ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 11:08, 18 March 2021 (UTC)
Marking this as answered. Not sure why the IP re-enable this request here. ~ Aseleste (t, e | c, l) 10:49, 21 March 2021 (UTC)
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In "Governance and other initiatives", please remove the following paragraph (it is being POV-pushed by a single editor called Veej, despite being reverted multiple times, and has barely any relevance to the article) :
During parliamentary Zero Hour on 19 September 2020, tribal rights advocate Mohan DelkarMP raised the issue of abuse and persecution by UT AdministratorPraful Khoda Patel, appointed by PM Narendra Modi, "as part of a conspiracy" claiming he was "denied the right to address the people of the region as an MP"[1][2]. Praful Patel’s father was an RSS leader and Narendra Modi often visited him[3] ith Patel described as "extremely close to Shri Narendra Modi"[4]. Mohan Delkar complained of his plight directly to PM Modi[5] in two letters on 18 December 2020 and 31 January 2021 stating "We are going through extreme mental torture. Kindly understand the gravity of the situation and intervene immediately. Give directions to the local authorities and, if possible, time to meet so that I can narrate my miseries to you."[6]. Abhinav Delkar states that his father Mohan travelled to Delhi to meet with PM Modi asking for help[7]. On 12 February 2021 during a Lok SabhaPrivileges Committee hearing[8]Mohan Delkar announced, "If harassment to me is not stopped, then I would be left with no option but committing suicide"[9]. Delkar's complaints were acknowledged but no further response was given nor action taken[4]. On 22 February 2021 Mohan Delkar was found dead, hanging in a Mumbai hotel leaving a 15 page suicide note[10] holding politicians and administrative officials responsible for "injustice", "insult" and "bias" meted out to him and specifically named Praful Khoda Patel[11].183.83.147.181 (talk) 10:11, 20 March 2021 (UTC)
Done removed the para. @Veej: The above has been removed before too. Please do not add again. You may want to go through WP:CONSENSUS once. §§Dharmadhyaksha§§ {Talk / Edits} 13:52, 20 March 2021 (UTC)
So §§Dharmadhyaksha§§ chose to delete every single word I added to this page without any meaningful discussion, nor addressing a single point I made whilst trying to engage with editors. This is not how Wikipedia works. Should you disagree, please let's discuss Veej (talk) 02:01, 25 March 2021 (UTC)
@Veej:, Please note that @YoYoRockNRoll and Fylindfotberserk: have already addressed your points above. Its your turn to show how this all is related to Modi directly. §§Dharmadhyaksha§§ {Talk / Edits} 03:58, 25 March 2021 (UTC)
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User talk:Independent contrib recently removed text relating to Mohanbhai Sanjibhai Delkar from Narendra Modi page stating "Removing unsourced news. This isn't daily news update page". You may have done this in error as multiple sources state that Delkar contacted Modi begging for assistance before his suicide. If you think I made a mistake, or if you have any questions, you can leave me a message on User talk:VeejVeej (talk) 13:21, 13 March 2021 (UTC)
It is irrelevant to how Modi governs India. Unless his name is in the sucide note, blaming him for the sucide, you cannot add it. Rather, you should add this to the page of the deceased MP--YoYoRockNRoll (talk) 10:08, 15 March 2021 (UTC)
I agree, unless the subject's name (Modi) is directly mentioned in the source(s), we are not supposed to write his name, which will constitute original research. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 11:03, 15 March 2021 (UTC)
Agreed. The connection between Modi and the suicide is not shown clearly enough. The harasser Praful Khoda Patel was appointed to the administrator role by Modi giving him the power to harass Delkar. Modi and Patel are "extremely close" and have a long standing connection dating back to Patel's father, an RSS leader. In 2010 Modi had elevated first time MLA Patel to Home Minister of Gujarat until Patel lost the next election. Delkar pleaded for help from Modi in a meeting and two separate letters. Modi chose not to act upon these pleas but instead protect his friend Patel. On that basis, Modi had made a governance decision which led to the death of the most prominent Tribal rights advocate in the country. I'll rewrite the paragraph to make the link clearer.
This is a notable story, its particularly relevant to Modi and is encyclopaedic information.
The link between Delkar's death and Modi is not original research imagined by myself. It is made in all of these news articles:
This is not an exhaustive list and only relates to English language articles. Veej (talk) 14:57, 15 March 2021 (UTC)
I went through your sources. None of them point to a direct involvement of Modi. Just today, another MP was found dead in his house. Should we start adding that too to Modi's page as the MP is from BJP and Modi too is from BJP? All politicians have links to many people. Unless Modis name is directly involved in the death (like how Amit Shah is involved in Ishrat Jahan), you cannot add this. I quote you: 'Modi chose not to act upon these pleas but instead protect his friend Patel. On that basis, Modi had made a governance decision which led to the death of the most prominent Tribal rights advocate in the country.' This is your personal opinion. Where is it written that 'Modi protected Patel'? Please do not add this paragraph unless it has got consensus from all admins/editors. There are thousands of theories linking various Indian politicians to the underworld, death etc. Should we start adding it? Please follow NPOV --YoYoRockNRoll (talk) 11:18, 17 March 2021 (UTC)
The suggestion that "direct involvement of Modi" is necessary for the Delkar story to be relevant to the Modi page is false. There has been a huge mediastorm surrounding the Delkar story and Modi's links. It is appropriate for the 25489 word Modi Wikipedia biography to have a short 244 word paragraph (<1%) neutrally stating the facts surrounding this story. After somebody reads the headline "PM ignored MP Mohan Delkar’s pleas for help" they should be able look to the Modi page for the factual basis.
The point made re other MP suicide falls into False equivalence and is not relevant because there isn't a mediastorm linking Ram Swaroop Sharma's suicide to Modi. If Sharma had made multiple pleas to Modi about harassment from Modi's friend, threatened suicide in parliament because of harassment from Modi's friend and then there was a mediastorm about his suicide and Modi's links afterwards, then yes, a brief paragraph about the facts of the link may be appropriate.
When I wrote above (14:57 15 March 2021) of Modi protecting his friend Patel instead of hearing Delkar's pleas, I'm sorry if this caused misunderstanding. I was summarising the Delkar/Patel/Modi link made in multiple media sources rather than stating my own opinion. The tone of the Delkar paragraph is neutral however.
It's important to consider the politically embarrassing but small Delkar paragraph on the context of the fawning and huge Narendra Modi#Awards and recognition section which starts Modi was named the "Best Chief Minister". Wikipedia biographies of major political leaders, and PM biographies in general tend to be littered with controversies and misjudgements - see Boris Johnson. Boris certainly has not attracted less national and international criticism than Modi. An overall neutral tone for the biography of a professional politician requires inclusion of relevant political embarrassments as well as political successes.
The deletion of the Delkar paragraph justified using logical fallacy hence I'm returning the paragraph. Veej (talk) 14:06, 17 March 2021 (UTC)
This Veej editor seems to have a suspicious level of interest in this Mohan Delkar person. Ever since this sleeper account was reactivated, a massive portion of his edits are related to this Mohan Delkar person, and he seems intent on plastering Mohan Delkar's name all over Wikipedia if possible. I don't know much about Mohan Delkar, but this Veej account is somewhat strange - WP:SAP is ringing very loud. 183.83.147.181 (talk) 09:23, 19 March 2021 (UTC)
Well this is absurd. I'm attacked for being an ordinary busy person. Conveniently ignoring the fact that I edit a wide variety of pages. This criticism from an anonymous account. Veej (talk) 01:56, 25 March 2021 (UTC)
No, you have mainly edited related to Mohan Delkar since your account was reactivated. How do we know if that was a different person before and a new one now? 183.83.147.181 (talk) 11:41, 25 March 2021 (UTC)
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@Holy Contributor 92: Did you even bother to read or go through the edit summary before reverting. Per WP:CSECTION guideline sections titled "Controversies" etc. are to be avoided especially in bios (the degrees are mentioned in the Early life and education section and related information should go there no need for additional sections; not to mention the degree "controversy" has already been discussed on this Talk a multitude of time with no merit for inclusion). Coming to the "In popular culture" section, the info added is already there in the Awards and recognition, there is no need for duplicating the same info in a new section. Gotitbro (talk) 08:21, 30 March 2021 (UTC)
@Gotitbro: I agree with you on one of these issues. I couldn't spot the film bit in that section and it didn't look relevant in that section either. Thus i added that content In popular culture section.
However, I Still don't agree with you on removal of Controversies section.
You addressed about the article 'Godi media', not about this article. Now, please explain how this section would not fit anywhere in this article. 122.167.46.82 (talk) 09:29, 26 March 2021 (UTC)
Alright, so where do you think it will fit? As I clearly mentioned there, you have, at best, only two sentences which are wiki-worthy. Wilhelm Tell DCCXLVIconverse | fings wot i hav dun 10:37, 26 March 2021 (UTC)
Start with this article by creating a section for followers. 122.167.46.82 (talk) 15:29, 26 March 2021 (UTC)
I feel it is unnecessary as blind defenders of every government exist. BJP has 'bhakts', INC has 'chamchas' etc. It is a pejorative term irrelevant to the page on Modi. The article on Godi Mediais relevant as it is a documented effort by MSM to tilt the discourse towards BJP, which is ethically incorrect. Twitter trolls do not deserve a mention. --YoYoRockNRoll (talk) 14:52, 30 March 2021 (UTC)
Yeah, who cares? Are we going to list all places where his subordinates have placed his pictures? He'd lose with Queen Elizabeth II anyway. — kashmīrīTALK 15:52, 14 March 2021 (UTC)
False statements
Create the "False statements "subsection and list some Modi Lies.
I don't understand what do you mean by 'Modi Lies'. If you are talking about unfulfilled promises or fearmongering, I am sorry to say but it is done by nearly every politician of all ideological spectrums. This is not a diary of Modi where we will have to sit and cross check the validity of his statements given during rallies. Same thing applies in context of Rahul Gandhi too.Read--YoYoRockNRoll (talk) 14:45, 30 March 2021 (UTC)
Shuddhabrata Sengupta writes in the paragraph of his A Sataygrah and Asatyagraha: Narendra Modi and the Liberation of Bangladesh article, "It is also being being claimed that Modi actually wrote this in Sangharsh Maa Gujarat, a book published in 1978. However, native Gujarati speakers who have read the 2000 edition of the book (available as a PDF on Modi’s web page report that the book makes no mention of this, even though ‘imprisonment in Tihar Jail due to participation in Bangladesh Satyagraha’ is mentioned, in passing, as part of the then young author’s ‘achievements’ in the short author’s bio note printed on the back cover." 122.171.51.0 (talk) 14:16, 30 March 2021 (UTC)
As far as I remember, I had simly rephrased the statement. A line or 2 can be rather added to his Personal Life section.--YoYoRockNRoll (talk) 14:56, 30 March 2021 (UTC)
India is a democracy in decline. Freedom House now ranks the country in 83rd place, at the very bottom of officially "free" states, observing that India's "departure from democratic norms ... could blur the values-based distinction between Beijing and New Delhi." Reporters Without Borders ranks India 142nd on press freedom—three slots below Myanmar.
India needs an American president prepared to challenge democratic backsliding....
@Kautilya3: This discussion was closed on 4 January 2021 with consensus that democratic backsliding should be included. Why are you now opening a new section to rehash our closed discussion? I remind you that according to Wikipedia's policy WP:CCC, proposing to change a recently established consensus can be disruptive.NedFausa (talk) 20:15, 9 February 2021 (UTC)
I will be putting enough quotes from reliable sources here, so that people know why it has been included. You can suit yourself whether you want to read it or not. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 20:25, 9 February 2021 (UTC)
@Kautilya3: Why are you doing this? I see no purpose other than disruption. NedFausa (talk) 20:28, 9 February 2021 (UTC)
Nothing much. You see, these editor gangs need to satisfy their own guilty conscience, hence elaborate rituals like maintaining a farce of neutrality are needed. That's all. 183.83.146.194 (talk) 13:36, 9 April 2021 (UTC)
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he is not 2nd non congress-y for PM. There were charan singh, 1976 PM, etc come on RashmikantT (talk) 17:34, 9 April 2021 (UTC)
Dont ruin the knowledge RashmikantT (talk) 17:35, 9 April 2021 (UTC)
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The para given on the page requires to be amended.
"Described as engineering a political realignment towards right-wing politics, Modi remains a figure of controversy domestically and internationally over his Hindu nationalist beliefs and his alleged role during the 2002 Gujarat riots, cited as evidence of an exclusionary social agenda.[f] Under Modi's tenure, India has experienced democratic backsliding.[g]"
The facts :
1. Modi is absolved by the highest court of the Land. The Supreme Court appointed Special Investigation Team (SIT) has given a clean chit to Mr Modi in 2012. Enough references are available.
Ref: BBC report
"India Gujarat Chief Minister Modi cleared in riots case
Published10 April 2012"
Therefore the reference to the 2002 riots to be removed or it should be stated that he has been cleared of all charges.
2. The last line regarding "backsliding" is an absurd statement. The Democracy Index report which makes that statement is no authority to classify India and The USA as flawed democracy. While India is the Largest democracy and has maintained its democratic status for the last 72 years, the USA is the world's oldest democracy. And both the countries will remain democracies. Rharipanth (talk) 16:29, 9 February 2021 (UTC)
The article already states that the SIT cleared Modi of wrongdoing. Several reliable sources support the statements that you quote above. Remember that Wikipedia adheres to a neutral point of view, which means representing fairly, proportionately, and, as far as possible, without editorial bias, all the significant views that have been published by reliable sources on a topic. To remove content supported by reliable sources would be considered pushing a certain point of view, which is against Wikipedia policies. Chariotrider555 (talk) 16:44, 9 February 2021 (UTC)
Saying "His administration has been considered complicit" clearly reeks of editorial bias. If it is truly neutral, it would say, several commentators consider his administration complicit while the Supreme Court appointed Special Investigation Team (SIT) has given a clean chit.Nolopassaro99 (talk) 12:48, 17 March 2021 (UTC)
Even this has to be corrected.
What are the evidences of narendra modi’s education. There are no proofs that modi is educated at all. He has got fake degrees. He has shown computer printed degrees however there were no computer in india that time and all the degrees used to be hand written then from where he got computer printed degrees. Really shame. So please remove his education as there are no true evidences of his educational background. Pranay85singh (talk) 13:41, 18 April 2021 (UTC)
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What are the evidences of narendra modi’s education. There are no proofs that modi is educated at all. He has got fake degrees. He has shown computer printed degrees however there were no computer in india that time and all the degrees used to be hand written then from where he got computer printed degrees. Really shame. So please remove his education as there are no true evidences of his educational background. Pranay85singh (talk) 13:44, 18 April 2021 (UTC)
Not done No sources were provided. -- DaxServer (talk) 15:40, 18 April 2021 (UTC)
Consensus for Time magazine readers' poll
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He was also declared winner of the Time magazine reader's poll for Person of the Year in 2014 and 2016.[1][2]
Taken from the Awards section. This is actually an online poll that the magazine holds every year before the editors of the magazine decides who is awarded the title "Person of the Year". This is easily confused and is often mistakenly considered as the Person of the Year that Time selects, This is a readers' poll and would always reflect a populist survey.
I propose to remove this poll from the article. What are the arguments to keep it? Is it noteworthy despite not being the actual Time's Person of the Year title? -- DaxServer (talk) 16:24, 18 April 2021 (UTC)
I suggest rephrasing: "He was winner of the Time magazine reader's poll in 2014 and 2016 by winning 16% and 18% votes respectively but ultimately not winning the Person of the Year award which is decided by the editors." §§Dharmadhyaksha§§ {Talk / Edits} 10:04, 19 April 2021 (UTC)
These are online polls which are subject to manipulation and coordination. Completely UNDUE. Of zero encyclopedic value. Snooganssnoogans (talk) 12:33, 19 April 2021 (UTC)
I completely agree that online polls are of no encyclopaedic value. Plus the reader’s poll is itself not noteworthy. I support the removal.defcon5 (talk) 13:13, 19 April 2021 (UTC)
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Please put the official portrait of the article File:Prime Minister of India Narendra Modi.jpg, even if the pic is outdated but it is useful to use official portrait for head of the government. TTP1233 (talk) 07:37, 20 April 2021 (UTC)
Not done The "official" picture is not an improvement to the article, since as you pointed out, it's outdated. Ferkjl (talk) 08:37, 20 April 2021 (UTC)
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There are some grammatical errors in introduction.
Plus he is PM now and then CM significance wise, keep that in mind whilst some sentences in intro is true but not clicking.
Unnecessary links like 14th PM not necessary and the time can be abridged to make less confusing 106.66.227.175 (talk) 04:27, 22 April 2021 (UTC)
Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 10:48, 22 April 2021 (UTC)
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Modi is chairman of PM CARES kindly mention that in intro 106.66.227.175 (talk) 04:31, 22 April 2021 (UTC)
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What are the evidences of narendra modi’s education. There are no proofs that modi is educated at all. He has got fake degrees. He has shown computer printed degrees however there were no computer in india that time and all the degrees used to be hand written then from where he got computer printed degrees. Really shame. So please remove his education as there are no true evidences of his educational background. Pranay85singh (talk) 13:37, 18 April 2021 (UTC)
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Pronunciation
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user:Uanafala whose MO in India- and Pakistan-related articles is generally one of displaying impoliteness in the furtherance of his eccentric POV has changed the pronunciation of the d's in Modi's name to the English d. We don't pronounce Francois Mitterand on WP in literal English as Frank-oys (or France-oys) Mitter-and. So why are we bestowing this special discourtesy on Modi? If an Indian IPA needs to be used, I'm happy to do so. But that needs to be settled here. Fowler&fowler«Talk» 13:00, 8 May 2021 (UTC)
Obviously, it has not; a few self-styled experts have been expounding on matters they have misunderstood, trying to make a science of what is an art. The goal is to make it easy for an English speaker to pronounce the "d" in Modi's name without making them a laughing stock to Indian listeners and also without throwing an undecipherable Hindi- or Gujarati-IPA book at them. Meanwhile, thanks for edit-warring and confirming my general assessment of you. Fowler&fowler«Talk» 14:37, 8 May 2021 (UTC)
You may have a point in there somewhere (though you do seem to be doing your absolute best to prevent people from seeing it). If there's any underlying problem with the English pronunciation, then it's the fact that it's English. It will be perfectly reasonable to drop it and instead provide the pronunciation in Hindi. That's up to the editors of this article to decide. Once the language is chosen, however, the IPA transcription should make sense in that language (that's not so difficult to do really – properly formatted IPA pronunciations typically generate a link to the corresponding IPA key: just follow that link and make sure the pronunciation makes sense within the system outlined there; that way you'll avoid having people to "expound" matters for you). – Uanfala (talk) 20:16, 8 May 2021 (UTC)
His intro is made lengthy
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He is prime minister, he was in RSS when he born could be added under early life BUT NO... RashmikantT (talk) 20:03, 8 May 2021 (UTC)
@RashmikantT I don't think anyone is born into RSS. One might say, one is born into a _(religion/caste)_ family. It's neither royalty that one is when they are born. -- DaxServer (talk) 20:07, 8 May 2021 (UTC)
His intro is made lengthy without NO reason. I am not saying he is born is RSS. Lol(pls take it lightly)
I think intro could be reduced one i mentioned was example RashmikantT (talk) 20:09, 8 May 2021 (UTC)
Technically, he is still an RSS pracharak. The RSS only "loaned" him to the BJP.
More seriously, this is a biography page and covers all his life. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 23:38, 8 May 2021 (UTC)
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Not done: requests for decreases to the page protection level should be directed to the protecting admin or to Wikipedia:Requests for page protection if the protecting admin is not active or has declined the request. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 13:56, 11 May 2021 (UTC)
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Not done: this is not the right page to request additional user rights. You may reopen this request with the specific changes to be made and someone will add them for you. Run n Fly (talk) 14:40, 16 May 2021 (UTC)
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"Change paragraph 5.8 Democratic backsliding to be a opinion. The statement is an assertion". Next line cites evidence. Include "some" before scholars" 24.130.2.116 (talk) 15:03, 18 May 2021 (UTC)
Not done: The democratic backsliding is well sourced, and there is no reason to add WP:WEASEL words. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 15:18, 18 May 2021 (UTC)
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Hello, Can anyone Please change the infobox image of Mr. Modi to this one
with caption as Official Portrait of Narendra Modi
This image is there from quite sometime now, before a vandal changed it again recently (4 hours ago), It requires consensus to change image of a famous individual, so as of now revert it back to one I suggested.
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Hello can anyone please change recently installed blurry poor quality lead image of Modi to this one which his Official portrait from 2014 as image is there from last month or so it required a consensus to change it.
with caption as Official Portrait of Narendra Modi
Not done: three people agreed above - voice your opinion there, not here. Elli (talk | contribs) 17:52, 4 June 2021 (UTC)
Not done for now: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{edit extended-protected}} template. The image has already been changed multiple times, and this image does not appear to have any issues (it's not blurry for me). I think it should be left at the most recent official portrait unless consensus is established that it should be changed. Ben❯❯❯Talk 17:56, 4 June 2021 (UTC)
Mention of Covid-19 pandemic in lead
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Modi has been prime minister during the COVID-19 pandemic in India, and his government has received significant criticism about how the pandemic in India was handled. I believe this is significant enough to be included in the lead. Similar lines are present in the lead sections of Donald Trump and Jair Bolsonaro.
Sources can be found within the article itself, but I am including some here:
Sources about the pandemic in India in general (almost every such source, if comprehensive enough, includes remarks about the Modi government's handling of the crisis): [1][2][3]
Sources about Modi's image during the pandemic:[4][5][6]
Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 11:13, 8 June 2021 (UTC)
Sorry if it wasn't clear. The change I want is a sentence in the lead section regarding the pandemic. For example, "The Modi government has been criticised for it's handling of the Covid-19 pandemic in India."--$ufyan (talk) 06:01, 10 June 2021 (UTC)
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"Change reduced spending on healthcare and social welfare programmes to In its first term' to the Modi government, credited with launching the world’s largest government-funded health insurance scheme, Ayushman Bharat, increased the health allocation by an average of over 20 per cent with every Budget. This was way ahead of the preceding UPA-II administration led by Manmohan Singh, where the annual hike hovered in the neighbourhood of 12 per cent[1]".
"Change Under Modi's tenure, India has experienced democratic backsliding to Prime Minister Narendra Modi is the best prime minister India has had to date, said 44 per cent of respondents in India Today’s ‘Mood Of The Nation’ (MOTN) survey released [2]"
"Change Described as engineering a political realignment towards right-wing politics, Modi remains a figure of controversy domestically and internationally over his Hindu nationalist beliefs and his alleged role during the 2002 Gujarat riots, cited as evidence of an exclusionary social agenda.[g] to Modi’s popularity ratings overtook his own previous best, with 69 per cent calling him ‘outstanding or good’ in the January 2017 MOTN survey.[3]"
@Silentbuddha92 Regarding change #2 "... best prime minster India has had to date, ..." Not done based on MOTN survey has a consensus to be removed. See "Consensus for "Best PM" MOTN poll" section above. -- DaxServer (talk) 10:41, 13 June 2021 (UTC)
@Silentbuddha92 Regarding change #3 Not done POV push removing sourced content replacing it with ratings from questionable survey. -- DaxServer (talk) 10:44, 13 June 2021 (UTC)
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There has been a fraudulent edit in this Wikipedia page of Prime Minister of India. His photo has been removed and derogatory content has been added in the introduction part. Kindly look into it and make necessary changes Deepak00406 (talk) 17:48, 15 June 2021 (UTC)
Not done It is unclear what change you are seeking in the article. Please be specific (e.g., change "X" to "Y") and please provide reliable sources if necessary.--RegentsPark (comment) 18:28, 15 June 2021 (UTC)
COVID-19 leadership
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This article is in dire need of significantly more coverage of his leadership and decisions amid COVID-19 pandemic (with neutral coverage-the negative should not be whitewashed). SecretName101 (talk) 05:50, 18 June 2021 (UTC)
There is barely any mention of it, I've proposed that it be mentioned in the lead section here. I also think there should be a subsection about the Covid-19 pandemic in the "Prime Minister" section. --$ufyan (talk) 13:07, 19 June 2021 (UTC)
@$ufyan: Seconded. This information along with the Indian vaccination program against covid 19 (mismanagement and subsequent response by govt to address this) should be added under the "Prime minister" section.
Image
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If Wikipedia is to use an official portrait for Modi, then it makes no sense to use an image from 2014 rather than his official portrait from this year. Now that he looks older among other reasons Lochglasgowstrathyre (talk) 12:41, 31 May 2021 (UTC)
Ah, yes. I too support this image. Main reason is his long beard. - 117.196.186.77 (talk) 17:39, 31 May 2021 (UTC)
I agree, and have swapped in the 2021 portrait. — Goszei (talk) 17:05, 3 June 2021 (UTC)
There is an image which is Modi's official portrait and also the latest. So can you give the consent for using the image in this page ? VNC200 (talk) 02:20, 5 July 2021 (UTC)
@VNC200 The image you uploaded to Commons is not compatible to be uploaded to Commons. Please see the deletion nomination page for rationale. -- DaxServer (talk) 08:43, 5 July 2021 (UTC)
New image
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@Chandan Kanti Paul I had to revert your edits, as there was no consensus on which image to use. (Comment: The two images were tagged with GODL-India license and was not reviewed). -- DaxServer (talk) 15:47, 23 June 2021 (UTC)
I support the first one, as the nominator of those two, but why cant an adminstrator review the image? Lochglasgowstrathyre (talk) 02:37, 25 June 2021 (UTC)
Narendra Modi 2021 (cropped).jpg has been reviewed by an administrator on Commons, so I have implemented it in the article. — Goszei (talk) 04:22, 2 July 2021 (UTC)
Seems alright, what is the dispute over it? Tayi ArajakateTalk 05:00, 2 July 2021 (UTC)
Consensus for "Best PM" MOTN poll
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What is the consensus on the text below:
Modi has been consistently ranked as the 'Best Indian Prime Minister' of all time in various polls by the Indian public.[1][2][3]
Those surveys are absolutely meaningless because there is a recentist bias in favor of the current or last president, see US surveys that demonstrate this.[1]Snooganssnoogans (talk) 13:14, 13 April 2021 (UTC)
That doesn't make them meaningless - if that's the public opinion, that is it for now. At the very least, it balances out the negative statement (democratic backsliding) in front of it. 183.83.146.194 (talk) 14:43, 13 April 2021 (UTC)
Based on the cited sources, the 2019 and 2020 survey interviewed about 12,000 people each. There are about 900 million registered voters in the 2019 elections. That would make it 0.001% participation in the survey. I do not see how that would be categorised as "the public opinion." I think this survey should be taken with a grain of salt. -- DaxServer (talk) 15:32, 13 April 2021 (UTC)
But is there any firm evidence that the survey is false? As for WP:FALSEBALANCE, that is for spurious claims - the same applies here, a poll is not a spurious claim. 183.83.146.194 (talk) 15:50, 13 April 2021 (UTC)
I've removed it from the lead, any head of government with a existing base of core supporters would rank as "Best Prime Minister" or whatever its equivalent would be due to recentist bias. India Today is also not the cleanest source and has a tendency to toe the government line. Tayi ArajakateTalk 22:16, 13 April 2021 (UTC)
@Tayi Arajakate: While I don't disagree, bias doesn't matter. NPOV relates only to our telling of the tale, and I think it will be fair to include these polls somewhere in the article (not in the lead of course). W. Tell DCCXLVIconverse | fings wot i hav dun 04:47, 30 April 2021 (UTC)
Wilhelm Tell DCCXLVI, I'd say that opinion polling may be relevant for inclusion in the article but not anything else. Polling results on the lines "voted the best PM in history" is not very distinguishable from advertisement campaigns akin to "9 out of 10 dentists agree", none of which have encyclopedic value. Bias can influences the reliability of a source, in cases such as this, I don't think it is possible to ascertain if this is a scientific poll or a promotional piece. There is also an additional question in that India Today relies on a company called "Axis My India" for its polling service during elections which they haven't here. Tayi ArajakateTalk 15:23, 30 April 2021 (UTC)
12000 people surveyed against 900 million population shouldn’t be considered a notable one. I support it’s removal from the article defcon5 (talk) 19:20, 13 April 2021 (UTC)
@DEFCON5: In that case, no survey of anything, ever, should be considered at all, because except elections and referenda, no surveys survey the whole population. According to you, the page Opinion polling on the Donald Trump administration should be deleted. Imagine what would happen to all those scientific journal articles we'll now have to discard. W. Tell DCCXLVIconverse | fings wot i hav dun 04:53, 30 April 2021 (UTC)
That's as idiotic as a survey for "the best domestic animal" or "the best wifi router". Surveys like those only measure popularity. Consequently, we are only entitled to mention that Modi has been among the most popular prime ministers, with average approval rating above 30%. — kashmīrīTALK 20:29, 13 April 2021 (UTC)
As per the excellent by reasoning DaxServer, I strongly oppose to add this. I cannot accept the outcome of the survey took among just the 0.001% voters of the largest decomcratic country in the world. Moreover, I believe these two reputed sources have a strong bias towards the current Indin govt. Because I have seen it in several places. I can show the results of some surveys conducted in my state of Kerala about, who is the worst ever Prime Minister of India. Should we add that too? BTW, no political thoughts here! Kichu🐘 Need any help? 00:17, 14 April 2021 (UTC)
By this logic, even the wire is biased against the government so why is it being used as a source, editor gangs here only know how to satisfy their own biases and do negative propoganda on this page:) Peter ParkerJSR108 (talk) 02:47, 14 April 2021 (UTC)
Peter ParkerJSR108, can you prove that me and other users who opposed this proposal is spreading negative propoganda here. Please just prove it. I just said my opnion. I have even never edited this page and you are saying that some of us are spreading negative propoganda. Great!!! Kichu🐘 Need any help? 05:03, 14 April 2021 (UTC)
I never named anyone I just made a general statement,so I don't need to prove anything to anyone the bias is clearly visible.
This is the only place where allegations are used as sources to cite statements and mood of the nation survey by a reputed media outlet is termed as recentist bias:)
Going by some people's logic we should also exclude sources like "wire" for citations cause they are also biased against the govt. Peter ParkerJSR108 (talk) 05:19, 14 April 2021 (UTC)
Peter ParkerJSR108 (talk·contribs) Bias of a media group is a very subjective thing - personally I haven't felt any bias of Wire, because the media is inherently biased against the government, which ever it is. But I digress. This is an opinion poll, not news, and chance of bias is significantly higher. In news, facts are facts - there can be cherry-picking of news but that does not pertain to Wikipedia as we don't depend on only one portal - however some portals like OpIndia are in the blacklist as they have been consistently accused of misinformation and dangerous speech. Those biased in favour of the government like Zee News are also not on the blacklist, and so are those who are not like the Quint etc. In Wikipedia, we strive to provide both sides of the view - keeping in mind that the sources are accurate. In opinion polls, there is a high chance of bias. Peace. Sitaphul (talk) 14:51, 16 April 2021 (UTC)
I raised this issue about bias cause people are making statements like.
"India Today is also not the cleanest source and has a tendency to toe the government line"
"Moreover, I believe these two reputed sources have a strong bias towards the current Indin govt."
So I wrote that if we are giving the excuse of excluding a particular source just because someone feels that it's biased towards the govt,
we should also not include media which are against the govt.
As far as opinion polls are concerned we can mention public opinion in the statement.
Nobody here was able to prove that the survey was wrong/false:)
Also this statement can be added to the awards and recognition section where similar polls are mentioned. Peter ParkerJSR108 (talk) 05:32, 17 April 2021 (UTC)
Can you tell which polls in specific you are talking about? -- DaxServer (talk) 13:08, 17 April 2021 (UTC)
Check the awards and recognition section first line. Peter ParkerJSR108 (talk) 14:36, 18 April 2021 (UTC)
I would agree with you. This is yet another poll from Mood of the Nation (MOTN). The source cited is dead and the archive is also dead. There is another source on the India Today website.[2] I assume the link was changed but no redirect was set. About 12,000 readers were across the nation, similar to the one from 2018, 2019. I have removed the claim.
You removed this poll too. Hahah!
Then they say Wikipedia editor gangs are not biased.
That other guy removed that times person of the year thing too.Do one thing delete the whole article.
Im done with this biased website. Peter ParkerJSR108 (talk) 13:01, 19 April 2021 (UTC)
Instead of repeated personal attacks followed by rage-quitting, you can try speaking reasonably. W. Tell DCCXLVIconverse | fings wot i hav dun 04:39, 30 April 2021 (UTC)
You do realise that there is no such thing as Wikipedia editors gang right? Anyone can edit Wikipidea as long as they follow the guidelines. --ShellPandey (talk) 11:57, 27 June 2021 (UTC)
Determining whether a sample size is good or not is not based upon a mere ratio of the sample to the population size. Kindly read Sample_size_determination. For a very large population size (eg. 900 mil), wanting a 95% confidence level with a 1% margin of error, the minimum required sample size is 9604. Therefore a survey of 12,000 people very much confirms to the acceptable sample size. 94.231.255.203 (talk) 14:50, 2 July 2021 (UTC)
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Hello Wikipedia community; This current infobox image of Mr. Modi is really crap to be fair and more importantly it's nominated for deletion again, therefore I request to please change his image to this one. Enough of these issue of nomination of deletion again & again.
Not done for now: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{edit extended-protected}} template. You may initiate a discussion below. By the looks of the deletion request right now, though, it does not look like there is consensus for the image to be deleted. TGHL ↗ 🍁 05:21, 7 July 2021 (UTC)
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Change the current photo to the Official Photograph of the Hon'ble Prime Minister of India. Deepak00406 (talk) 05:24, 7 July 2021 (UTC)
@Deepak00406:Not done for now: I can imagine many photos were official at one point or another. Do you have a specific file on Wikimedia Commons to use? Thanks, TGHL ↗ 🍁 05:30, 7 July 2021 (UTC)
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Hello Wikipedia community; This current infobox image of Mr. Modi is really crap to be fair and more importantly it's nominated for deletion again, therefore I request to please change his image to this one. Enough of these issue of nomination of deletion again & again. Plus this is also not a traditional depicton of Modi.
with caption as Official Portrait of Modi, 2014
with caption as Modi in 2013
Please do this soon, A file nominated for deletion should never be preffered for infobox, same image has also been deleted twice. 2402:8100:2164:D8F9:621B:8B2:9091:CA7D (talk) 01:48, 9 July 2021 (UTC)
As a note, the nominator nominated it for deletion without explaining why it has copyright problems. Also, the nominator changed the current one to the 2014 image without consensus twice ([2], [3]). Upon reversion, the nominator moved to Commons and nominated it for deletion, despite the image being reviewed. -- DaxServer (talk) 08:33, 9 July 2021 (UTC)
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Add Narendra Modi’s name in either Gujarati or Hindi in addition to the English transliteration of his name. Most other world leaders all have this present in their Wikipedia page. 122.172.187.219 (talk) 09:03, 12 July 2021 (UTC)
Not done as per WP:NOINDICSCRIPT - we do not use any Indic scripts in the lead or infobox of our India-related articles - Arjayay (talk) 09:08, 12 July 2021 (UTC)
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Fowler&fowler's list of third-party newspaper stories on the Modis' marriage
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A very workable tradition has been established in some other contentious South Asia-related pages, (e.g. 2020 Delhi riots, 2019 Balakot airstrike, 2019 India–Pakistan border skirmishes), one of using third-party sources. "Third-party" means foreign newspapers published in liberal democracies especially ones which do not have a demonstrated bias in the topic of interest. Thus in this instance stories from India's neighboring countries in South Asia (Pakistan, Bangladesh, Sri Lanka) are not preferred, nor those from China, Russia, or countries from West Asia (including Israel). Stories with bylines (i.e. accompanied by the reporter's name) are always preferred, especially if the reporter has reported from the region of the topic. I have scoured the newspaper sources about the Modis' marriage and this is what I found. Please do not change the list. You are always welcome to add your own in the discussion section below. As the list is long, I have collapsed it; the quotes are in small font. It is hoped that this list will point to how we should report the marriage. On the age issue, my general impression is that the stories use either "teenage" for both or "18" or "17" for him and "17" (rarely "18") for her. "Child marriage" receives scant mention. Desertion or abandonment by the groom receives prominent mention. Receiving prominent interpretations were the following: he was forced to acknowledge the marriage by the new election filing regulations; until then he had been actively promoting his bachelor status and incorruptibility on account of having no immediate family to serve as a beneficiary of corruption; the ideals of the Hindu nationalist organization, the RSS, which values celibacy, were thought to have played a significant role in the desertion. Fowler&fowler«Talk» 13:41, 27 July 2021 (UTC) Updated Fowler&fowler«Talk» 19:23, 27 July 2021 (UTC)
PPS In case, any readers discern in my list a bias for the Anglosphere, I have added three newspapers of record from Continental Europe:
Le Monde ((French: “The World”) daily newspaper published in Paris, one of the most important and widely respected newspapers in the world.Britannica)
Corriere della sera ((Italian: “Evening Courier”) morning daily newspaper published in Milan, long one of Italy’s leading newspapers, in terms of both circulation and influence, noted for its foreign coverage and its independence.Britannica)
Die Welt ((German: “The World”) daily newspaper, one of the most influential in Germany and the only one of national scope and stature published in Bonn during that city’s time as West German capital.Britannica)
This bumps up the number of third-party newspapers to 30; some of the others already included are:
A list of the major English language newspapers included
New York Times (morning daily newspaper published in New York City, long the newspaper of record in the United States and one of the world’s great newspapers.Britannica)
Washington Post (morning daily newspaper published in Washington, D.C., the dominant newspaper in the U.S. capital and usually counted as one of the greatest newspapers in that country.Britannica)
Los Angeles Times (morning daily newspaper founded (1881) in Los Angeles that in the 1960s began to develop from a regional daily into one of the world’s great newspapers.Britannica)
The Globe and Mail (daily newspaper published in Toronto, the most prestigious and influential news journal in Canada.Britannica)
Toronto Star (influential Canadian newspaper established in 1892 as the Evening Star by 25 printers who had lost their jobs in a labour dispute. ... Its outspoken opposition to Nazi policies in Germany made it the first North American newspaper to be banned from Nazi Germany.Britannica)
Sydney Morning Herald (daily newspaper published in Sydney, Australia’s oldest and one of its most influential papers.Britannica)
The Strait Times (morning daily newspaper published in Singapore, generally recognized as one of the outstanding English-language papers of the Far East.Britannica)
Economist (weekly magazine of news and opinion published in London and generally regarded as one of the world’s preeminent journals of its kind. It provides wide-ranging coverage of general news and particularly of international and political developments and prospects bearing on the world’s economy.Britannica)
Financial Times (newspaper edited in London that traditionally had strong influence on the financial policies of the British government. Its paper version is printed Monday through Saturday throughout the world, and it is known as one of England’s superior newspapers.Britannica)
The Independent ( politically independent daily newspaper founded in 1986 and published in London. The founders of The Independent ... believed that many of Britain’s educated and affluent citizens desired an objective source of daily news, one without the strong political biases of the country’s established newspapers. ... Renowned for its journalistic integrity,Britannica)
The Daily Telegraph (daily newspaper published in London and generally accounted, with The Times and The Guardian, as one of Britain’s “big three” quality newspapers. ... It takes a conservative middle-class approach to comprehensive news coverage.Britannica)
The Times (daily newspaper published in London, one of Britain’s oldest and most influential newspapers. It is generally accounted, with The Guardian and The Daily Telegraph, one of Britain’s “big three” and has long been recognized as one of the world’s greatest newspapers.Britannica)
I haven't included the Guardian (formerly (1821–1959) The Manchester Guardian, influential daily newspaper published in London, generally considered one of the United Kingdom’s leading newspapers. ... The Guardian has historically been praised for its investigative journalism, its dispassionate discussion of issues, its literary and artistic coverage and criticism, and its foreign correspondence.Britannica) because it doesn't require a subscription and editors can look it up, but it should be pretty clear that the list is comprehensive, without an Anglo-centric bias. Fowler&fowler«Talk» 22:04, 28 July 2021 (UTC)
List
Third-party newspaper stories on the Modis' marriage
United Kingdom and Ireland
Roberts, Adam (May 23, 2015), Special Report, India: Modi's many tasks(PDF), London: Economist, The railway station is single-track. Next to it, where the celebrity's father once ran a tea stall, is a motorbike-repair shop. Over the road is his modest, whitewashed former school. Only in a street nearby, beyond a Sufi shrine, do you find hints of the great man. Neighbours all introduce themselves with the same surname: Modi, Modi, Modi. Most of them recall something of the childhood of Narendra Modi, such as when he brought home a baby crocodile from a lake. They speak with respect more than fondness. He rarely helped his father with the tea stall. Friends from the school recall that he liked theatre and insisted on taking the part of a king. From childhood his passion was politics, and he soon joined the Hindu nationalist Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh (RSS) movement. A fellow RSS member recounts a playground scrap with Muslim rivals. A neighbour attended his teenage wedding. An unwilling groom, he soon fled town, leaving his wife behind. He rarely goes back.
Mallet, Victor (April 10, 2014), India elections: Family man? Not Modi, London: Financial Times, Indians, especially his political enemies, have always been fascinated by the mystery of Modi's abandoned wife Jashodaben, now a retired school teacher in her early sixties. He never talks about her, and his allies dismiss the early marriage (they were both 17) as a short-lived and irrelevant episode in a life otherwise dedicated to religious and political service. As the first of over 800m eligible voters went to the polls this week in the 2014 Indian general election, Modi admitted for the first time under oath that he was married to her – in his nomination form for the parliamentary seat of Vadodara in Gujarat. ...His opponents hope that this disclosure will dent his popularity among women who might empathize with Jashodaben, whom he never returned to after two weeks of their nuptials. The declaration is reported to have come after strict legal advice that he come clean on the marriage which, his family members say, was never consummated.
Pagnamenta, Robin (April 10, 2014), Narendra Modi, frontrunner for Indian PM, admits to 'secret' wife, London: The Times, Narendra Modi, expected to become India's next prime minister, admitted for the first time today that he is married, but said that he has been estranged from his wife for more than 40 years — a revelation that brings the treatment of women to the forefront of the nation's election campaign. ... The leader of the Bharatiya Janata party (BJP) has always shunned questions about his private life, but was forced to make the declaration in an election affidavit filed in his home state of Gujarat. The 63-year-old chief minister of the state named his wife as 'Jashodaben' on a form about his marital status. In previous filings he has always left the column blank, although critics have long claimed that he had an arranged marriage when he was 17, to a woman he quickly deserted.
Smith, Nicola (April 20, 2014), India’s bachelor in chief keeps wife under wraps, London: The Times, Jashodaben, 62, who has remained hidden throughout her 46-year marriage, was once again kept from view last week; this time in the Himalayan foothills. Party sources said she had gone on a pilgrimage to 'say prayers for his welfare'. Modi's marriage, an open secret for years, has proved politically inconvenient. As leader of the right-wing Bharatiya Janata party he had flaunted his bachelorhood as a political virtue, claiming it left him less open to corruption from family members. Modi, 63, was finally forced to admit the identity of his legal spouse this month when he filed nomination papers in Vadodara, one of the seats he is contesting in the general election, ... His high profile ensured his papers would be scrutinised. It would have been unwise to leave the column on his marital status blank, as he had allegedly done in previous state polls. As the media descended on the village of Unjha, where Jashodaben lives, her sudden departure appeared conveniently timed.
Pagnamenta, Robin (November 26, 2014), Secret wife of Indian PM lays claim to be first lady, London: The Times, The couple were married in a traditional arranged ceremony organised by their families when they were both aged 17 but Mr Modi left his wife shortly afterwards. The couple never divorced. Mr Modi was apparently concerned that his wedded status would harm his prospects as he rose through the ranks of Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh (RSS), a Hindu nationalist group. RSS leaders rarely marry and often take an oath of Brahmacharya, or celibacy, to devote themselves fully to the nation. Details of Mr Modi's marriage emerged only weeks before the election, when he admitted in an election filing to having a wife. During his 13-year term as chief minister of Gujarat, Mrs Modi's existence had remained a secret. Since his admission, she has expressed her support for her husband and says she prays for him each day.
Nelson, Dean (30 April 2014), Narendra Modi’s 'secret wife' emerges from hiding to vote and pray for victory, London: The Telegraph, Earlier this year Mrs Modi spoke of how her husband had left her three years after their marriage and rejected her plea to be allowed to travel with him or stay with his family. She said she continued to pray for him and hoped he would become prime minister. They had spent only three months together in their first three years of marriage before he left.
Buncombe, Andrew (April 10, 2014), Narendra Modi admits he has a wife - but says he knows little about her, London: Independent, Narendra Modi, of the Bharatiya Janata Party, has long avoided answering questions about his private life. Yet it was frequently reported he had an arranged marriage at the age of 17 – something highly common in India – which soon ended. It was claimed Mr Modi never had a formal divorce. He spent spent much of his life working for the BJP and a right-wing Hindu organisation that puts a prize on celibacy. When Mr Modi filed his declaration papers this week at Vadodara in Gujarat, he wrote the name "Jashoda" in a column regarding his marital status. He said he had no details as to her address. Mr Modi's wife, Jashoda Chiman Modi, a retired schoolteacher, lives on a pension, according to an interview she gave to an Indian newspaper earlier this year. She said Mr Modi left her after three years and they parted amicably.
Buncombe, Andrew (April 14, 2014), The secret wife of Narendra Modi - and what she tells us about the man who might become India's next PM, London: Independent, He was aged 17, she a few months younger. Neither of them apparently had very much to say in the matter. The wedding was never consummated, but neither was it officially annulled. This week, the issue of the Narendra Modi's estranged wife and their arranged marriage 45 long years ago found itself front and centre in India's increasingly bitter election campaign after the presumed frontrunner confirmed for the first time that he still considered himself to be wed. It has long been rumoured that Mr Modi, 63, the prime ministerial candidate of the Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP), had been briefly married when he was a teenager in Gujarat. The woman to whom he was wed, Jashoda Chiman Modi, even gave an interview to a local newspaper in which she said although Mr Modi had effectively abandoned her, she considered herself his wife. Yet Mr Modi, who seldom takes any questions from the media, let alone ones about his private life, had always refused to comment on the matter. When he successfully contested four successive elections to become chief minister of Gujarat, he had always left blank the column on documents that asked about his marital status. On Wednesday, when Mr Modi filed nomination papers for the seat of Vadodara, one of two constituencies he is contesting, he entered the name Jashoda in the column that asked about his family. He was unable to provide her address.
Reuters (April 10, 2014), India PM front-runner Modi admits he is married, Dublin: carried in the link by The Irish Times, Narendra Modi, the Hindu nationalist who is front-runner to become India's next prime minister, has publicly stated for the first time that he is married. ... Yet the chief minister of the western state of Gujarat is a solitary figure who has little contact with his family and entered politics through a grassroots Hindu organisation that prizes celibacy. India's ruling Congress party has repeatedly called for Mr Modi to disclose his marital status, following local reports in recent years that he had an arranged marriage at the age of 17 to a woman whom he soon deserted but never officially divorced. ... In election papers filed on Wednesday to run for a seat in Gujarat's Vadodara constituency, Mr Modi wrote the name "Jashodaben" in a mandatory column regarding his marital status. He had left the column blank on previous occasions, including in the last Gujarat state election in 2012.{{citation}}: |last= has generic name (help)
United States and Canada
Gowens, Annie (January 25, 2015), Abandoned as a child bride, wife of Narendra Modi hopes he calls, Washington, DC: Washington Post, Modi, 64, kept his teenage marriage a secret for decades during his political ascent and only last year admitted that his wife exists. The wife, Jashodaben Chimanlal Modi, is a retired teacher who lives in a small town in Modi's home state of Gujarat. Although she had not heard from her husband in years, she says she still hopes to join him one day in the capital as his spouse. ... Narendra Modi, the son of a man who sold tea in a railway station, comes from a lower caste called Ghanchi. He and his wife were promised to each other as young adolescents in keeping with the traditions of their community. They were then married in a small ceremony when she was 17 and he was 18. ... Narendra Modi left shortly thereafter to wander in the Himalayas with little more than a change of clothing in his rucksack, ... Modi never returned to his wife but never divorced her, even as he became the high-profile chief minister of Gujarat and, last year, India's premier. He never publicly spoke of his wife, and journalists who sniffed around on the topic as Modi's fame grew were privately discouraged from doing so.
Taylor, Adam (April 10, 2014), Why did Narendra Modi keep his wife secret for almost 50 years?, Washington DC: Washington Post, Narendra Modi, currently the favorite to be India's next prime minister, had to make an unusual admission on Thursday. The 63-year-old Modi, long famous for being a bachelor without any family, was in fact married. In fact, he was forced to acknowledge, he gave his vows almost 50 years ago. The admission came out when Modi filed his nomination for the Vadodara electoral seat, according to the Indian Express. The paper reported that the prime ministerial candidate was forced to declare the assets and liabilities of a spouse under the Representation of the Peoples Act 1951. While Modi acknowledged he had a wife (and reported his own income at Rs. 454,095 or approximately $7,552), he was forced to leave the columns declaring his wife's assets and liabilities blank. This wife may come as a surprise to some: Modi has repeatedly said that his lack of family makes him an ideal politician. "I am single, who will I be corrupt for?" he told a campaign rally in February. He had previously told his own biographer that he enjoyed "loneliness." ... What explains a secret wife? According to Jashodaben's accounting, she and Modi were married when they were 17 and 18 due to an arrangement between their parents. They were a couple for three years before separating, with Modi reportedly going to travel the Himalayas, and never coming back. What led Modi away, it seems, was the teachings of the Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh (RSS), a strict Hindu organization that is reported to require a vow of celibacy.
Barry, Ellen (April 10, 2014), Indian Candidate’s Biography Has an Asterisk: A Wife, of Sorts, New York: New York Times, At a campaign rally this year, Narendra Modi, leader of the Bharatiya Janata Party, offered this curious qualification for the post of India's prime minister: He could not possibly be corrupt because he is a bachelor. 'Why would I indulge in corruption? For whom?' reasoned Mr. Modi, 63. 'There is no one behind me or in front of me,' he continued, using a Hindi phrase that means he has no family. 'I surrender this body. I surrender this heart.' Mr. Modi revised his official biography on Wednesday, when he noted on an election registry that he is, in fact, married. In four previous registrations, he has left the question of his marital status blank, but scrutiny over the question steadily mounted as he became the front-runner for the post of prime minister. It was his first official acknowledgment of an arranged marriage he abandoned soon after the wedding about 45 years ago, during a period when he was considering becoming a monk or a full-time activist with a Hindu nationalist organization, which required a vow of celibacy.
Schultz, Kai; Kumar, Hari (February 7, 2018), Narendra Modi’s Estranged Wife Escapes Unhurt From Car Crash in India, New York, NY: New York Times, The long-estranged wife of Prime Minister Narendra Modi of India returned to the public eye on Wednesday when a car she was riding in collided with a truck. Mr. Modi's wife, Jashodaben Chimanlal, a retired teacher, was unhurt, but one of her relatives was killed, ... For most of his political career, Mr. Modi did not publicly acknowledge that he was married. He left his marital status blank on several election registration forms when he was chief minister of the state of Gujarat. But under increased scrutiny as a candidate for prime minister in 2014, Mr. Modi revised his official biography to note the relationship. ... The marriage, which was arranged, occurred about 50 years ago in a small town in Gujarat when Mr. Modi and Ms. Chimanlal were teenagers, according to The Indian Express. A biography of Mr. Modi distributed to journalists by his political party, Bharatiya Janata, said that the two had never lived together and that the marriage had never been consummated. Mr. Modi is said to have left Ms. Chimanlal soon after their marriage to wander in the Himalayas, where he considered becoming a monk. In past elections, Mr. Modi played up his apparent bachelor status, arguing that he could not be corrupt because he had no family to support. Vows of celibacy and renunciation of family life have a long history in Indian public life, and relate to teachings in Hinduism that champion self-control.
Joseph, Manu (April 17, 2014), Letter from India: Votes Won by Feeling, Not Facts, New York, NY: New York Times, Mr. Modi has said on several occasions that he took a vow of celibacy long ago and that he has sacrificed his body, ... in the interest of the nation. ... Last week, the necessity of noting his personal details on a form and the pressure for full disclosure forced Mr. Modi to make an admission he had never made before — that he had a wife, whom he married about 45 years ago, when he was 17 or 18, and soon afterward abandoned. ... About five years ago, the weekly newsmagazine Open profiled his wife, who lived in a small village, in poverty, and in the shadow of thugs who kept a watch on her. Mr. Modi's office, contacted for comment, did not respond. One of his mentors, L.K. Advani, called the magazine's owner to request that his reporters not meet Mr. Modi's estranged wife again.
Harris, Gardiner (June 5, 2016), White House letter: President Obama and India’s Modi Forge an Unlikely Friendship, New York, NY: New York Times, Neither Mr. Obama nor Mr. Modi is given to displaying affection. Both avoid the socializing common in their capitals. And while Mr. Obama is a doting father and dutiful husband who maintains close bonds with his childhood friends, Mr. Modi abandoned his arranged marriage decades ago and has no children or any public friendships.
Parth M.N. (May 16, 2014), From tea-seller to India’s top job: The rise of Narendra Modi, Los Angeles, CA: Los Angeles Times, His family arranged his marriage to Jashodaben Chimanlal when he was 18. Modi acknowledged the marriage for the first time earlier this year, when he filed to run in the election. It was never consummated, according to his biographer, Nilanjan Mukhopadhyay. Leaving behind his young wife, Modi joined the Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh, a right-wing Hindu nationalist group. He thrived in the RSS, a volunteer organization that prizes discipline and service to the nation, and he was eventually named to head its student wing.
Mandhana, Niharika (June 8, 2015), Narendra Modi’s ‘Despite Being a Woman’ Comment Gets Him in Hot Water, New York, NY: Wall Street Journal, At an event hosted by the University of Dhaka in Bangladesh, Mr. Modi said in Hindi, "I am happy to say that the prime minister of Bangladesh, despite being a woman, is saying boldly that she has zero tolerance toward terrorism." ... Mr. Modi's record on women's issues has been patchy. ... He left his wife shortly after the pair's arranged marriage as youngsters and has never returned to her. His attitude toward women also came under the spotlight in 2013 when an investigation by Indian news websites alleged security officials shadowed a young woman for days at Mr. Modi's behest when he was chief minister of Gujarat.
Keating, Joshua (April 10, 2014), Introducing Mrs. Modi, Brooklyn, NY: Slate, BJP leader and likely future prime minister Narendra Modi has based much of his personal appeal on his humble beginnings as the son of a tea seller who carried hot kettles up and down the cars of trains in his native state of Gujarat—in case you didn't get the message his party opened tea stalls as a campaign stunt and he brought a tea seller with him to file his candidacy—as well as his current ascetic bachelor lifestyle. But both images were complicated a bit this week by his first public admission that he has legally been married since he was 17. Modi was wed in an arranged marriage to a woman named Jashodaben, then 18, who now goes by the name Jashobaden Chimanlal Modi—they had been betrothed when he was 3—but he abandoned the marriage and his own family just a few weeks later, leaving to travel the country on his own. The two haven't seen each other since.
Block, Melissa; Gowens, Melissa (January 27, 2015), The Mysterious Life Of India's First Lady, Washington DC: National Public Radio, Block: 'You had me, Annie Gowen, from the first line of your story, which is this, "She's waiting for him as she has been all her life" Did you get the sense that she wants to be acknowledged as the Prime Minister's wife, as the First Lady of India?' Gowen: 'She's said many times, as she said to me that if he called her he would come to Delhi, and I think she would like to see him and she keeps a picture of him in his prayer book, and she's still waiting for him to call her.' Block: 'Do you think she realistically expects it to happen?' Gowen: 'I think she still has hope, because we spoke to her brother as well and he said that she gets depressed sometimes because she's still waiting and hoping that he'd call all these long years.'
Campbell, Charlie (April 11, 2014), So It Turns Out That India's 'Batchelor' Politician Is Technically Married, New York, NY: Time USA, But as he filed papers Wednesday, to stand as a MP for western Gujarat state's Vadadora constituency, he finally acknowledged, in an affidavit, that he had a wife. Rumors had been circulating for years that a 62-year-old retired school teacher in Gujurat, Jashodaben, had been married to Modi. A magazine tracked her down in 2009 but she refused to give speak to them. However, she finally gave an interview in February and confirmed that the couple separated three years into their marriage — at the ages of 17 and 18 respectively — and since then 'we have never been in touch.'
Ghosh, Palash (March 17, 2014), India 2014 Elections: The Bizarre Mystery Surrounding Narendra Modi's Alleged 'Wife', New York, NY: International Business Times, The Global Post reported late last year that Modi is indeed married, but has not spoken to his wife in more than 45 years and that he essentially abandoned her decades ago. But Jashodaben Modi, who wedded her husband when both were teenagers in an arranged marriage, said she remains devoted to him. ... FirstPost said her entire name is Jashodaben Chimanlal Modi, although she only goes by her first name. According to Jashodaben's relatives, Modi left her when they were both 18 years old in the late 1960s so that he could pursue his political career. Reportedly, Modi refused to consummate his marriage and angrily left his native village of Vadnagar after an argument with his in-laws.
Dhillon, Amrit (April 22, 2014), Mr. Modi’s abandoned wife joins an alarming trend in Indian politics, Toronto: The Globe and Mail, Mr. Modi, 63, surprised Indians by writing "married" in the marital-status column in his election nomination form even though he has steadfastly refused to acknowledge the child bride his parents married him off to 45 years ago. In four earlier elections, he had left that column blank. ... Very soon after their arranged marriage, Mr. Modi told his wife that he intended to pursue public life and saw no role for her in it. He urged Ms. Chimanlal to return to her parents' home and resume her studies. She has worked as a village schoolteacher all these years while Mr. Modi has gradually risen to become the leader of the Bharatiya Janata Party, tipped to win the election. That much is straightforward. What is shocking are the comments made about her by Mr. Modi's relatives after his acknowledgement of his married status. They show that, despite the nationwide soul searching that took place after the New Delhi gang rape over a year ago, the views of millions of Indians on what constitutes a 'good woman' remain the same as centuries ago. Ms. Chimanlal has been depicted as an obedient, dutiful, submissive, undemanding and sacrificing woman. Mr. Modi's relatives praised her for fasting and praying every day for Mr. Modi's welfare, for possessing only five saris, for giving up rice to please the gods to bestow good fortune on Mr. Modi, for never remarrying, and for making no demands on him despite being deserted.
Sharma, Ashok (April 12, 2014), India election: Narendra Modi’s marital status triggers questions, Toronto: Associated Press, carried in the link by Toronto Star, Narendra Modi, the top elected official of western Gujarat state, registered with the commission earlier this week to contest a seat in India's parliament. The filing was his first official acknowledgment of his marriage to a retired school teacher. In four registrations between 2002 and 2012 for state legislature elections, Modi left the question of his marital status blank, ... Modi left his home in Gujarat soon after the wedding as he became a preacher for a Hindu nationalist organization, his elder brother, Somanbhai Modi, said in a statement on Thursday. They've lived apart for all these years but haven't formally divorced, he said. Jashodaben Modi stayed at her father's home and pursued a career in academics, Somanbhai Modi said. ... Nirmala Samant, a member of the National Commission for Women, said it should be investigated as to why the Election Commission did not compel Modi to disclose his marital status in regional elections. It was very unfortunate that Modi's wife was deprived of her right to property, maintenance and other privileges, the Times of India newspaper quoted Samant as saying.
France, Italy, and Germany
Bacqué, Raphaëlle (Vadodara, Inde, envoyée spéciale) (20 April 2018), Le « prince rose » des homos indiens, Paris: Le Monde, En Inde, les hétérosexuels de sa génération n'échappent pas plus à ces mariages arrangés par les familles, qui peuvent donner le meilleur comme le pire. Un diplomate français nous a déjà raconté ces grands dîners où des hauts fonctionnaires, des ministres, des chefs d'entreprise de Delhi arrivent en couple, mais n'adressent plus jamais la parole à leur épouse, comme si elle était étrangère. Les Indiens ont admis depuis longtemps que leur premier ministre, Narendra Modi, marié adolescent par ses parents, n'ait jamais vécu avec son épouse, Jashodaben, une institutrice dont il n'a pourtant pas divorcé, afin de ne pas remettre en cause l'institution du mariage aux yeux des conservateurs. (Google translate machine translation into English:) In India, heterosexuals of his generation do not escape these marriages arranged by families, which can give the best or the worst. A French diplomat has already told us about these great dinners where senior officials, ministers, business leaders from Delhi arrive as a couple, but never speak to their wife again, as if she were a foreigner. The Indians have long admitted that their prime minister, Narendra Modi, married as a teenager by his parents, never lived with his wife, Jashodaben, a schoolteacher from whom he has not yet divorced, so as not to question the institution of marriage in the eyes of conservatives.{{citation}}: CS1 maint: multiple names: authors list (link)
Kuruvilla, Gabriella (September 14, 2015), L’ipocrisia dei selfie in India contro la violenza, Milan: Corriere della Sera, Presentando la sua candidatura a capo del governo indiano, Modi ha rivelato i retroscena della sua vita privata, ammettendo l'esistenza di una moglie "segreta", Jashodaben Chimanlal Modi, sposata da giovane con un matrimonio combinato e tenuta nascosta per quasi cinquant'anni. Lei, un'insegnante in pensione che vive in una piccola città del Gujarat, rappresenta, in un certo senso, la versione indiana di Penelope o, volendo, il classico esempio di donna fedele (nonostante tutto): ha infatti dichiarato che lo aspetta ancora, e che se lui la dovesse chiamare lei sarebbe pronta a raggiungerlo. "Se lui la dovesse", ma pare che lui non lo voglia. (Google Translate machine translation into English: By presenting his candidacy as head of the Indian government, Modi revealed the background of his private life, admitting the existence of a "secret" wife, Jashodaben Chimanlal Modi, married as a young man in an arranged marriage and kept under wraps for nearly fifty years. She, a retired teacher who lives in a small town in Gujarat, represents, in a certain sense, the Indian version of Penelope or, if desired, the classic example of a faithful woman (despite everything): she has in fact declared that she is still waiting for him. , and that if he were to call her she would be ready to join him. "If he should," but it seems he doesn't want it.
Mühlmann, Sophie (December 8, 2014), Asien entdeckt die First Lady, Berlin: Die Welt, Jashodaben Modi ist nicht irgendwer, sie ist Indiens First Lady. ... Ihr Mann, Premierminister Narendra Modi, verschweigt seine Gattin am liebsten ganz. Sie passt nicht in das akribisch gepflegte Image vom asketischen Hindu, der nur für die Arbeit lebt. Und so wohnt die unscheinbare 62 Jahre alte Ex-Lehrerin mit der Drahtbrille seit über vier Jahrzehnten mit ihrem älteren Bruder Ashok zusammen, anstatt mit ihrem Ehemann. Erst als sie nun bei der Polizei vorsprach, um einmal vorsichtig nachzufragen, welche Privilegien sie eigentlich als Frau des Premiers erwarten dürfe, wurde die Öffentlichkeit an ihre First Lady erinnert. Premier Modis verdrängte Vermählung war aufgeflogen, als er die Formulare für seine Kandidatur einreichte. Familienstand: verheiratet. Name der Ehepartnerin: Jashodaben. Aufenthalt: keine Informationen. Peinlich, denn der beinharte Hindunationalist hat immer mit seiner Ungebundenheit geprahlt: „Ich genieße die Einsamkeit", tönte er im Wahlkampf mit weit ausgebreiteten Armen und feuchten Lippen, und: „Ich habe keine Familienbindungen. Wer würde also davon profitieren, wenn ich korrupt wäre?" Jashodaben sicher nicht. Und Modis verschmähte Frau hat ihm im chauvinistischen Indien auch nicht weiter geschadet, er wurde trotzdem mit Glanz und Gloria zum Premierminister gewählt. Seine Angetraute hat nur eines davon: sie muss nun ihre Leibwächter bedienen und fürchtet um ihr Leben. Unterm Scheitel trägt Jashodaben eisern den Sindoor, das traditionelle hinduistische Symbol aus zinnoberrotem Puder, Zeichen einer verheirateten Frau. Nur Witwen waschen den Sindoor ab. Ihre Eltern hatten die 62-Jährige als Teenager in den späten 60er-Jahren in eine arrangierte Ehe gegeben, die offenbar nicht funktionierte und auch nie vollzogen wurde. Drei Jahre nach der Hochzeit, erzählte sie schüchtern einem Journalisten, habe ihr Mann zu ihr gesagt, sie wäre besser dran, wenn sie ihr eigenes Leben lebte. Seitdem lebt sie wie viele Asiatinnen – in eine Rolle gepresst, die sie nicht wollte, ohne eigene Farbe im Schatten ihres grellen Ehemanns. Eine ungeliebte Frau. (Google Translate Machine Translation into English: Jashodaben Modi is not just anyone, she is India's first lady. ... Her husband, Prime Minister Narendra Modi, prefers to keep his wife completely silent. It does not fit into the meticulously cultivated image of the ascetic Hindu who only lives for work.And so the inconspicuous 62-year-old ex-teacher with wire glasses has been living with her older brother Ashok for over four decades instead of with her husband. It was only when she called the police to ask carefully what privileges she should expect as the premier's wife that the public was reminded of her first lady. Prime Minister Modi's ousted marriage was blown when he submitted the forms for his candidacy. Marital status: Married. Spouse's Name: Jashodaben. Stay: no information. Embarrassing, because the tough Hindu nationalist has always boasted about his independence: "I enjoy the loneliness," he said during the election campaign with arms wide open and wet lips, and: "I have no family ties. So who would benefit if I were corrupt? " Certainly not Jashodaben. And Modi's spurned wife didn't do him any further harm in chauvinistic India, he was nevertheless elected prime minister with glamor. His wife has only one of them: she now has to serve her bodyguards and fears for her life. Under the head, Jashodaben wears the Sindoor, the traditional Hindu symbol made of vermilion powder, the sign of a married woman. Only widows wash off the Sindoor. Her parents put the 62-year-old into an arranged marriage as a teenager in the late 1960s, which apparently did not work and was never consummated. Three years after the wedding, she shyly told a journalist, her husband told her that she would be better off living her own life. Since then she has lived like many Asian women - pressed into a role that she did not want, without her own color in the shadow of her garish husband. An unloved woman.
Australia, New Zealand and Fiji
Dhillon, Amrit (April 22, 2014), Indian election: Hidden wife is a good wife, Sydney: Sydney Morning Herald, She is the woman who had an arranged marriage with Mr Modi when they were both teenagers in Gujarat, the state that Mr Modi rules. Soon into the marriage, Mr Modi, the leader of the Bharatiya Janata Party, told his wife that he would pursue public life. Since he saw no place for her in this life, he urged Mrs Modi to return to her parents' home and resume her studies. She acquiesced and has lived in obscurity for 45 years, working as a village schoolteacher. Now retired, little was known of her because Mr Modi had never publicly acknowledged her. But the poor woman has been dragged into the media glare because Mr Modi wrote married on the nomination papers he had to submit as a candidate. In four previous elections, on filing his nomination papers, Mr Modi had left the question of his marital status blank.
Gowens, Annie (January 30, 2015), Wife of India's PM waits for him to call, Auckland: New Zealand Herald (originally published in the Washington Post), Jashodaben Modi saw her husband only once when he was chief minister, at a ceremony at a local temple, according to her brother, Ashok Modi. She lives with her brother in the small town of Unjha, in the northern part of the state. "He had come to the [goddess temple] for a prayer. They did not speak. They did not even say a word to each other. They just met for five seconds," the brother said. ... During the election, the wife disappeared for a time, reportedly on a "barefoot pilgrimage", in her husband's honour. After he became Prime Minister, she was assigned an official security detail. But it has not been a happy experience. Nearly a dozen guards watch her 24/7 and follow her in a shiny car as she takes auto rickshaws and public transportation, they say. When she visits friends or relatives, they have to cook for the guards, she said. ... She keeps a small photo of her husband tucked in her prayer book and spends long hours in solitude. "I wake up at 5am. I pray at home. I go to the temple. My life is spent in prayer now," she said. Her brother says she gets depressed from time to time. "When she feels dejected, we try to lift her mood," the brother said. "We say, 'The morning will come soon'. We try to tell her that he will call her one day, soon. She has full faith that he will call her to him."
Kanwal, Joginder Singh (14 December 2014), The story of Jashodaben, Suva: The Fiji Times, Many people thought that Narendra Modi was still a bachelor. Previously in all the official and unofficial documents, he used to mark the space with a short dash where a candidate had to mention whether or not he was married and the officials concerned accepted his "dash" and did not question him further but this year when the days of parliamentary elections approached, the Election Commission of India insisted that he gives correct information about his marital status. Mr Modi was left with no option and he had to write in his affidavit that he was married and his wife's name was Jashodaben. When she was only 17 and Modi 18, they were married but separated within three years of marriage. During these three years, they hardly lived a few months together. He told her that he wanted to do 'bigger things' in his life and therefore could not live with her. ... Jashodaben perhaps met the same fate as did Yashodhara and Ratanawali. But the modern generations whether they are in India or Fiji won't agree to lead this kind of life. They would be critical of the attitude shown by persons like Mr Modi.
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Agence France-Presse (February 1, 2014), India PM candidate Narendra Modi's wife accepts being ignored, Paris/Singapore: AFP (carried in the link by The Strait Times), Mr Modi, a 63-year-old opposition Hindu nationalist politician, has never commented on numerous reports that he wed Jashodaben, 62, in a traditional arranged marriage when she was 17. ... Jashodaben said she didn't 'feel bad' Mr Modi has never acknowledged her as his wife, adding: 'I know he is doing so due to destiny and bad times.' 'In such situations, he has to say such things and also has to lie,' she said.
Agence France-Presse (10 April 2014), ‘Bachelor’ Narendra Modi finally owns up to having a wife, Paris: AFP (carried in the link by South China Morning Post, Hong Kong), Narendra Modi has finally acknowledged he is married, solving one of the biggest mysteries about the private life of the man tipped to be the next Indian prime minister. Modi, 63, is routinely described as a bachelor and is thought to have lived alone in his adult life, having come through the ranks of a grass-roots Hindu nationalist organisation in which celibacy is expected. Media reports have described how he walked away from a marriage arranged by his parents when he was a child, but Modi has never confirmed this. He has portrayed his single status as a virtue while campaigning. In an affidavit on Wednesday as he filed his papers to stand as a member of parliament from the Vadadora constituency in Gujarat state, he acknowledged he had a wife. In the column of the affidavit to mention spouses, the chief minister of Gujarat wrote "Jashodaben", but he states elsewhere in the filing that he had "no information" about her. ..."I've no familial ties. Who would I ever try to benefit through corruption?" he asked a recent rally. ... Modi, a hardline Hindu nationalist consistently ahead in the polls, told a biographer recently that he "actually enjoys loneliness" and has said because he has no children he is more likely to be a clean politician. ... Other parts of Modi's personal story remain unclear, particularly a period as a young man when he is believed to have wandered in the Himalayas on a journey of spiritual discovery.
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Hello Wikipedia community, can anyone please change infobox image of P.M Modi to the one I suggests as this one is not a regular traditional depiction of Mr. Modi, he usually remains beard less apart from this recent lockdown.
No mention of Modi's rallies / gatherings leading to a worldwide spread of Covid / Delta variant?
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Or did I miss this part? I searched the article for Covid and only mentions how he got a vaccine and trump gave him an award. News agencies have been talking about Modi's political gatherings were possible super-spreader event and had worldwide impact for a long time. Why is discussion of this worldwide impact not here? EDIT: This has been brought up before on the talk page!
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This article is in dire need of significantly more coverage of his leadership and decisions amid COVID-19 pandemic (with neutral coverage-the negative should not be whitewashed). SecretName101 (talk) 05:50, 18 June 2021 (UTC)
There is barely any mention of it, I've proposed that it be mentioned in the lead section here. I also think there should be a subsection about the Covid-19 pandemic in the "Prime Minister" section. --$ufyan (talk) 13:07, 19 June 2021 (UTC)
@$ufyan: Seconded. This information along with the Indian vaccination program against covid 19 (mismanagement and subsequent response by govt to address this) should be added under the "Prime minister" section."
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Edit request because of possible factual error in article
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This is with regard to following assertion in the Narendra Modi article in 3.2.
"Muslim victims of the riots were subject to further discrimination when the state government announced that compensation for Muslim victims would be half of that offered to Hindus, although this decision was later reversed after the issue was taken to court"
While it is true that the state government announced half of the compensation but this discrimination was not technically on the basis of religion. It was on the basis of incident in which death happened. The people who died in Godhra train massacre were given 2 lakhs compensation while people who died in Post Godhra riots(irrespective of religion as per source) were given 1 lakhs. So, it was not a discrimination on the basis of religion but a discrimination on the basis of which of the 2 incidents led to the death.
Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Wikipedia adheres to a neutral point of view (NPOV), which means representing fairly, proportionately, and, as far as possible, without editorial bias, all the significant views that have been published by reliable sources on a topic.Chariotrider555 (talk) 19:05, 8 February 2021 (UTC)
Done removed the para. @Veej: The above has been removed before too. Please do not add again. You may want to go through WP:CONSENSUS once. §§Dharmadhyaksha§§ {Talk / Edits} 13:52, 20 March 2021 (UTC)
Not done Modi is the second non-Congress PM to win two consecutive terms. Please see the history here - List of prime ministers of India -- DaxServer (talk) 19:49, 9 April 2021 (UTC)
Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 10:48, 22 April 2021 (UTC)
Provide RSes to back your claim. W. Tell DCCXLVI converse | fings wot i hav dun 04:41, 30 April 2021 (UTC)
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