Talk:Music of Heroes
Latest comment: 8 years ago by Drmies in topic Merger (and move) proposal
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Merger (and move) proposal
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The individual albums are not independently notable. They are part of music of the television series, Heroes. Even with upcoming Heroes Reborn, both music articles should be merged to this article. --George Ho (talk) 16:49, 15 September 2015 (UTC)
- The soundtrack has 5 independent sources; that should establish notability. Some can probably be found for the score as well. On a technical note, we can't merge to this article; The score would have to be copied to the soudtrack article, then moved here. (On that note, I blanked the content, as it now lives without attribution.)
-- [[User:Edokter]] {{talk}}16:56, 15 September 2015 (UTC)- Okay... Look at the articles. They look too small. Also, when using sources, information is kinda brief. Even with Reception, inherent notability is not the same as independent notability. George Ho (talk) 17:00, 15 September 2015 (UTC)
- Size is not a criterium for inclusion. The same goes for sources. If there are third party sources discussing the subject, notability is met.
-- [[User:Edokter]] {{talk}}17:03, 15 September 2015 (UTC)- Then how are you able to fix the size? It's been four years after the series ended. --George Ho (talk) 02:14, 16 September 2015 (UTC)
- There is nothing to 'fix' with regards to size. An article can be very notable and only contain two lines or be 200kb large.
-- [[User:Edokter]] {{talk}}08:47, 16 September 2015 (UTC)- You're both right, really. While there aren't any specific size requirements for notability, an article being very small is a valid rationale for merging back into a parent article. Just talking conceptually here, I haven't looked into these articles yet. That being said, not being familiar with Heroes or its offshoot media, and the article currently being blanked, I'm having a hard time figuring out all the articles and content involved here... Sergecross73 msg me 13:20, 16 September 2015 (UTC)
- I reverted the blanking, Serge. Otherwise, here's one of revisions. --George Ho (talk) 22:26, 16 September 2015 (UTC)
- Blanked again. As I said, the merge was technically flawed and we now have unattributed content, which is a no-no. I'll move the discussion to Talk:Heroes: Original Soundtrack, so there can be no more confusion.
-- [[User:Edokter]] {{talk}}07:50, 17 September 2015 (UTC)
- Blanked again. As I said, the merge was technically flawed and we now have unattributed content, which is a no-no. I'll move the discussion to Talk:Heroes: Original Soundtrack, so there can be no more confusion.
- I reverted the blanking, Serge. Otherwise, here's one of revisions. --George Ho (talk) 22:26, 16 September 2015 (UTC)
- You're both right, really. While there aren't any specific size requirements for notability, an article being very small is a valid rationale for merging back into a parent article. Just talking conceptually here, I haven't looked into these articles yet. That being said, not being familiar with Heroes or its offshoot media, and the article currently being blanked, I'm having a hard time figuring out all the articles and content involved here... Sergecross73 msg me 13:20, 16 September 2015 (UTC)
- There is nothing to 'fix' with regards to size. An article can be very notable and only contain two lines or be 200kb large.
- Then how are you able to fix the size? It's been four years after the series ended. --George Ho (talk) 02:14, 16 September 2015 (UTC)
- Size is not a criterium for inclusion. The same goes for sources. If there are third party sources discussing the subject, notability is met.
- Okay... Look at the articles. They look too small. Also, when using sources, information is kinda brief. Even with Reception, inherent notability is not the same as independent notability. George Ho (talk) 17:00, 15 September 2015 (UTC)
- OK, done. The proposal now reads to merge Heroes: Original Score into Heroes: Original Soundtrack, then move the resulting page to Music of Heroes.
-- [[User:Edokter]] {{talk}}07:58, 17 September 2015 (UTC)
RFC?
editI want to do the RFC, but I can't without going neutral. And both articles are totally neglected as is. I still don't see the point of preserving both articles other than... ownership perhaps? George Ho (talk) 08:10, 17 September 2015 (UTC)
- There is no need for an RFC. The proposal is still active. The point is we cannot move text around by copying and pasting; the license under which Wikipedia's content is published requires that all content is attributed to its editors. That is done in the article's history. When we merge article, it is important that these histories are merged as well, ohterwise, parts of the text can no longer be traced to their authors.
-- [[User:Edokter]] {{talk}}08:16, 17 September 2015 (UTC)- The info page doesn't mention preserving attribution. Nor does the other one wikilinked. We are told not to propose history merger because doing so creates a huge mess. --George Ho (talk) 08:30, 17 September 2015 (UTC)
- Those are for cases where the damage has already been done. I'm trying to prevent that from happening.
-- [[User:Edokter]] {{talk}}08:32, 17 September 2015 (UTC)- Alright, so it seems pretty simple here. We've got 2 paths to take. If we all agree that the articles are in awful shape separately (my stance), then lets get someone to do a histmerge and call it good. If someone opposes to the merger, then lets start up an RFC. Sergecross73 msg me 14:10, 17 September 2015 (UTC)
- A merge does not require an RFC. The pages are tagged and everyone is welcome to comment.
-- [[User:Edokter]] {{talk}}17:47, 17 September 2015 (UTC)- Nobody said an RFC is required. But its helpful in situations like this, where there's two editors talking circles and making no progress one way or another. Also, I can't help but think this really isn't that high traffic of an area. Even after notifying a relative active WikiProject, I'm still the only one who's bothered to comment... Sergecross73 msg me 18:11, 17 September 2015 (UTC)
- Settled. I started the RFC. George Ho (talk) 00:59, 18 September 2015 (UTC)
- Nobody said an RFC is required. But its helpful in situations like this, where there's two editors talking circles and making no progress one way or another. Also, I can't help but think this really isn't that high traffic of an area. Even after notifying a relative active WikiProject, I'm still the only one who's bothered to comment... Sergecross73 msg me 18:11, 17 September 2015 (UTC)
- A merge does not require an RFC. The pages are tagged and everyone is welcome to comment.
- Alright, so it seems pretty simple here. We've got 2 paths to take. If we all agree that the articles are in awful shape separately (my stance), then lets get someone to do a histmerge and call it good. If someone opposes to the merger, then lets start up an RFC. Sergecross73 msg me 14:10, 17 September 2015 (UTC)
- Those are for cases where the damage has already been done. I'm trying to prevent that from happening.
- The info page doesn't mention preserving attribution. Nor does the other one wikilinked. We are told not to propose history merger because doing so creates a huge mess. --George Ho (talk) 08:30, 17 September 2015 (UTC)
RfC: Merge soundtrack and score articles?
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Articles of Heroes: Original Soundtrack and Heroes: Original Score—music based on television series, Heroes—coexist. Shall they be kept as standalone articles or merged into proposed article, Music of Heroes? --George Ho (talk) 00:59, 18 September 2015 (UTC)
- Merge - Both articles are little more than tracklists and a short amount of prose that basically paraphrase the track list and release some factoids about credits and release dates. There's nothing of substance. Even with the small amount of sources present, like the AllMusic "review", is little more than a paragraph that lists off some of the artists. There's just very little there. I wouldn't even object to merging it back to the parent article of the show itself, but that is a bit large already... Sergecross73 msg me 13:14, 18 September 2015 (UTC)
- Merge - for the same reason above. Comatmebro User talk:Comatmebro 00:01, 23 September 2015 (UTC)
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