Talk:MidCity SmashedBurger/GA1

GA Review

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

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Nominator: Another Believer (talk · contribs) 00:07, 12 July 2024 (UTC)

Reviewer: Rollinginhisgrave (talk · contribs) 00:47, 18 July 2024 (UTC)

Rate	Attribute	Review Comment
1. Well-written:
	1a. the prose is clear, concise, and understandable to an appropriately broad audience; spelling and grammar are correct.
	1b. it complies with the Manual of Style guidelines for lead sections, layout, words to watch, fiction, and list incorporation.
2. Verifiable with no original research, as shown by a source spot-check:
	2a. it contains a list of all references (sources of information), presented in accordance with the layout style guideline.
	2b. reliable sources are cited inline. All content that could reasonably be challenged, except for plot summaries and that which summarizes cited content elsewhere in the article, must be cited no later than the end of the paragraph (or line if the content is not in prose).
	2c. it contains no original research.
	2d. it contains no copyright violations or plagiarism.	None found, earwig 11%
3. Broad in its coverage:
	3a. it addresses the main aspects of the topic.
	3b. it stays focused on the topic without going into unnecessary detail (see summary style).
	4. Neutral: it represents viewpoints fairly and without editorial bias, giving due weight to each.
	5. Stable: it does not change significantly from day to day because of an ongoing edit war or content dispute.
6. Illustrated, if possible, by media such as images, video, or audio:
	6a. media are tagged with their copyright statuses, and valid non-free use rationales are provided for non-free content.	File:MidCity SmashBurger logo.png is fair use and represents the article
	6b. media are relevant to the topic, and have suitable captions.
	7. Overall assessment.	Meets inclusion criteria

I will be reviewing this article today. This is my first review, I appreciate feedback on how I go about it for future reference. Rollinginhisgrave (talk) 00:47, 18 July 2024 (UTC)

Thanks! User:TrademarkedTWOrantula and I can address concerns you might have about the article. ---Another Believer _(Talk) 01:49, 18 July 2024 (UTC)

Comments

I will be adding comments as I see them, and so editors have an opportunity to respond while I am reviewing.

• Sure! ---Another Believer _(Talk) 02:56, 18 July 2024 (UTC)

Aight. TWOrantula^TM (enter the web) 04:51, 18 July 2024 (UTC)

Prose

• "relaunching the business" the business can be removed or substituted to make the sentence less wordy.
  •  Done ---Another Believer _(Talk) 02:55, 18 July 2024 (UTC)

• "praised for" -> "praised as" attributes claim rather than asserts
  •  Done ---Another Believer _(Talk) 02:55, 18 July 2024 (UTC)

• the lede refers to the subject almost exclusively as the business while the body refers to it as Midcity. Articles should be used consistently.
  • I tend to use "business" or words other than "restaurant" because this can become repetitive. I've replaced one use of "business" in the lead with "restaurant". ---Another Believer _(Talk) 02:55, 18 July 2024 (UTC)
    • I understand, I was noting that the article text doesn't predominantly use "the business" or "the restaurant" but just calls it MidCity, while the lead does not conform to this. Rollinginhisgrave (talk) 03:12, 18 July 2024 (UTC)

• Come to fruition -> materialize/eventuate
  •  Done ---Another Believer _(Talk) 12:25, 18 July 2024 (UTC)

• Eric Nelson of Eem and Langbaan clarify these are restaurants/that Nelson is a restaurateur
  •  Done ---Another Believer _(Talk) 12:25, 18 July 2024 (UTC)

• Choosing to relocate the cart to -> Relocating the cart to
  •  Done ---Another Believer _(Talk) 12:25, 18 July 2024 (UTC)

• included MidCity in an overview of twenty "knockout spots for affordable dining -> lauded MidCity's affordability
  •  Done ---Another Believer _(Talk) 12:25, 18 July 2024 (UTC)

• "Mind-blowing restaurant list" should credit Janey Wong in body and source.
  •  Done ---Another Believer _(Talk) 15:39, 18 July 2024 (UTC)

Content

• Created a menu with burgers? Did it not already have them? Were they different types of burgers than usual?
  • There was a collaboration on a new menu, but the project did not come to fruition. ---Another Believer _(Talk) 03:28, 18 July 2024 (UTC)

• Aldridge declined the nearby space that was offered by who?
  • Added "Lil' America". ---Another Believer _(Talk) 03:28, 18 July 2024 (UTC)

• Can you say where in Bend it is beyond just the street name?
  • Added Old Bend. ---Another Believer _(Talk) 03:28, 18 July 2024 (UTC)

• the business announced plans to relocate the Belmont location What Belmont location?
  • Clarified the text a bit (hopefully). ---Another Believer _(Talk) 03:28, 18 July 2024 (UTC)

• Where is the fifth location? I can identify North William Avenue, Bend, Sandy Boulevard and Creston-Kenilworth.
  • Seems SW Scholls Ferry Rd, but I am struggling to find coverage of this specific location. I see the bottom of this source says, "MidCity Smashburger has locations next to the Level 3 taproom at 1447 N.E. Sandy Blvd., at the Cartside pod at 1825 N. Williams Ave. and alongside Uptown Beer at 6620 S.W. Scholls Ferry Rd. in Portland, as well as a seasonal kiosk at the Hayden Homes Amphitheater in Bend." If you prefer, we can remove "five" from the introduction and just note there are locations in Portland and Bend. ---Another Believer _(Talk) 03:28, 18 July 2024 (UTC)
  • I've updated the count to three in Portland and one in Bend. ---Another Believer _(Talk) 03:55, 18 July 2024 (UTC)

• Are there any reviews of the New Orleans pop-up?
  • Not that I could find. ---Another Believer _(Talk) 03:30, 18 July 2024 (UTC)

• Alex Frane included the business in Thrillist's late 2021 overview of restaurants around the city. This is in the reception section. Is this good? What is the reception, that the business is notable?
  • Clarified, 'overview of "must-hit" restaurants in Portland' ---Another Believer _(Talk) 03:30, 18 July 2024 (UTC)

• Remove There are four MidCity locations as of 2022. per discussion below.
  •  Done ---Another Believer _(Talk) 12:37, 18 July 2024 (UTC)

• Discussion in lede of being smashburgers.
  •  Done I've also added mention of a few other menu items. ---Another Believer _(Talk) 12:37, 18 July 2024 (UTC)

• Move Ron Scott above Katrina Yetch as the rest is chronological.
  • I've updated the source formatting. This is actually a 2024 list so will keep in the same order for chronological purposes. ---Another Believer _(Talk) 12:25, 18 July 2024 (UTC)

• Based on the MidCity website, it appears they no long have a pop-up in Bend. It is now in Beaverton, Oregon. It would be good to find when this move occurred if possible.
  • I've added mention of MidCity operating at Binary Brewing in Beaverton in 2024. It is hard to track the exact number of locations, so I've updated the introduction to note that in Oregon the business has operated in both Bend and Beaverton. I expect the article will continue to update over time, but hopefully the current text is GA-criteria compliant. Thanks! ---Another Believer _(Talk) 15:34, 18 July 2024 (UTC)

Broad in its coverage

• The Lil'America food cart pod moved into the space previously occupied by MidCity's original food cart unnecessary digression
  • Really? I think it is relevant that Lil' America offered MidCity a space where it had operated previously. ---Another Believer _(Talk) 03:42, 18 July 2024 (UTC)
    • I think you are talking about a different part of the article, that section is relevant. Rollinginhisgrave (talk) 03:50, 18 July 2024 (UTC)

• The sale to Cascadia Hospitality should be discussed in the body text with inline sources.
  • A misunderstanding on my part. I have removed Cascadia Hospitality from the infobox. ---Another Believer _(Talk) 03:42, 18 July 2024 (UTC)

• Discussion in body of being smashburgers, which is what they are notable for being. Current discussion is: Beyond regular... burgers... Source 8 can be used as a start for this.
  •  Done ---Another Believer _(Talk) 12:35, 18 July 2024 (UTC)

I would also like a discussion of the sauce, considering it's discussed at length in several sources in the page, including as the main differentiation between them and rival Portland smashburger outlets. Rollinginhisgrave (talk) 15:12, 18 July 2024 (UTC)

@TrademarkedTWOrantula: Might you be able to help here? ---Another Believer _(Talk) 15:24, 18 July 2024 (UTC)

@Another Believer I won't fail the article based off this so if you'd prefer to focus your efforts elsewhere that's okay. Rollinginhisgrave (talk) 15:29, 18 July 2024 (UTC)

OK, thanks. I'm sure there will be further improvements to this section over time, but at least the current text is not problematic. ---Another Believer _(Talk) 15:36, 18 July 2024 (UTC)

Hm. Not sure where to find information on their sauces, but I'll try. TWOrantula^TM (enter the web) 17:22, 18 July 2024 (UTC)

Tried starting with this. TWOrantula^TM (enter the web) 17:27, 18 July 2024 (UTC)

• The Russell quote should be deleted as it's duplicating content already in article (discussion of source #8, opening of reception)
  • I am going to push back here because I do not agree with outright removal. Yes, the paragraph leads with Russell's list inclusion, but the end of the paragraph is his reaction to a different list inclusion, not a discrediting of the travel site as a source. I am fine with TrademarkedTWOrantula's trim, if you are. ---Another Believer _(Talk) 12:30, 18 July 2024 (UTC)

I'll address this pending how the Big 7 discussion concludes. Rollinginhisgrave (talk) 15:12, 18 July 2024 (UTC)

Neutral

• Best burgers in the U.S. should be attributed as view of the authors of The Oregonian article rather than stated as recognition of a fact.
  • Having looked closer at this, it is not the views of The Oregonian, but of "Big 7 Travel". The Oregonian article dismisses Big 7 Travel as not credible. This text should be removed, from the lede and reception section. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rollinginhisgrave (talk • contribs) 03:46, 18 July 2024 (UTC)

  I have reworded this part to note that Russell is commenting on a list placement by a travel site. It includes his own thoughts about MidCity. ---Another Believer _(Talk) 03:51, 18 July 2024 (UTC)

  Since the travel site is not actually independently notable, I've removed the best 'in U.S.' claim from the lead. I think Russell's commentary is still appropriate for the article body. ---Another Believer _(Talk) 03:57, 18 July 2024 (UTC)

I really don't think it should be mentioned at all. The only source in the article discussing it discredits it; mentioning it would give undue weight. Rollinginhisgrave (talk) 08:43, 18 July 2024 (UTC)

See comment above; I do not think the travel site is being discredited. This is an instance of a newspaper staffer commenting on MidCity's list inclusion by a travel site. ---Another Believer _(Talk) 12:31, 18 July 2024 (UTC)

Most of the text commenting on the site can be summed up as stopped clock. In terms of source review, they don't name their experts, they don't list authors accreditations. They appear to take money for inclusion on lists (linked from "Advertise with us"), and I cannot see them declaring this in pieces. They self-identify as having the purpose of generating "highly shareable content", the definition of a content farm. To this point, Russell speculates the articles are written by AI or at best lazy writing practices.

If you don't find this analysis satisfactory, I would like to drop it in WP:RSN and defer to their judgement before I feel comfortable confirming there aren't NPOV issues in the article. Rollinginhisgrave (talk) 15:04, 18 July 2024 (UTC)

I agree with you re: reliability of Big 7. I do not think the Wikipedia article should cite Big 7 as a reliable source, but in this case, the article's text is about Russell's thoughts (not Big 7's). Russell is a writer for The Oregonian, which is considered a reliable source. Aren't his thoughts on the list inclusion worth mentioning? --Another Believer _(Talk) 15:23, 18 July 2024 (UTC)

Rollinginhisgrave (talk) 02:50, 18 July 2024 (UTC)

@Rollinginhisgrave: I have tried to address your concerns, but please let me know if any remain. Thanks! ---Another Believer _(Talk) 03:59, 18 July 2024 (UTC)

Thankyou Another Believer for your excellent and prompt work in addressing these. I have a few more concerns I'll add over the next few hours when I'm free and I will complete a source sample. Rollinginhisgrave (talk) 04:12, 18 July 2024 (UTC)

Sounds good, thanks! ---Another Believer _(Talk) 04:13, 18 July 2024 (UTC)

I will paraphrase the lengthy quote in the meantime. TWOrantula^TM (enter the web) 04:57, 18 July 2024 (UTC)

@Rollinginhisgrave and TrademarkedTWOrantula: I've done another round of changes, if you're able to take another look. Thanks! ---Another Believer _(Talk) 12:45, 18 July 2024 (UTC)

Thankyou again for your changes being so prompt, I have added just a few more requests above. For the most part I am just waiting on seeing how the Big 7 Travel text is resolved before moving forward. In the meantime I'll complete spot check and image copyright. Rollinginhisgrave (talk) 15:04, 18 July 2024 (UTC)

@Rollinginhisgrave I don't feel strongly about keeping the Big 7 text. Feel free to remove if required for passing GA status. I just thought Russell's comments were relevant. Thanks! ---Another Believer _(Talk) 15:36, 18 July 2024 (UTC)

Also I found anther recent location update, so I've added the following text for the Bend location: "By mid 2023, the cart had relocated to Third Street, operating outside the Hosmer bar in the Waypoint Hotel. Hosmer was opened by Aldridge and his brother." ---Another Believer _(Talk) 15:54, 18 July 2024 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.