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Irgun

Irgun was 1) a terrorist organization by the United Nations, British, and United States governments; in media such as The New York Times newspaper; as well as by the Anglo-American Committee of Inquiry, the 1946 Zionist Congress and the Jewish Agency and 2) aimed Arab civilians as well, long before the 1947–48 Civil War. So the mitigative phrases defining Irgun should be edited as

actual text	proposed edits
Before the creation of the state of Israel, he was the leader of the Zionist militant group Irgun, the Revisionist breakaway from the larger Jewish paramilitary organization Haganah.	Before the creation of the state of Israel, he was the leader of the Zionist terrorist group Irgun, the Revisionist breakaway from the larger Jewish paramilitary organization Haganah.
As head of the Irgun, he targeted the British in Palestine. Later, the Irgun fought the Arabs during the 1947–48 Civil War in Mandatory Palestine.	As head of the Irgun, he targeted the British in Palestine[2] and the Arabs.

References

Begin was a monster, who deliberately chose to side with the Nazis and fight against the British during the Second World War. But the article can't say that, because it just has to trot out what the published 'reliable sources' say. Khamba Tendal (talk) 18:00, 13 August 2018 (UTC)

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Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 10 August 2020

His birth name is Мечислав Вольфович Бегун in Russian and Mieczysław Wołfowicz Biegun when transliterated into Polish. Spafky (talk) 13:29, 10 August 2020 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Username⁶⁸⁹² 14:18, 10 August 2020 (UTC)

@Username6892: : Just google "Mieczyslaw Begin" and you will find multiple websites mentioning this. This has been mentioned on the Russian, Polish and Hebrew editions of Wikipedia. On the Hebrew edition the source given is : Avi Shilon, Menachem Begin: A Life, trans. Danielle Zilberberg and Yoram Sharett (New Haven, Conn.: Yale University Press, 2012), p.p 5-7

The Wolfovich part of his name is a patronymic - commonly used in the Russian language and customary for pretty much everyone in the Russian Empire at the time - barring Turkic peoples. --Spafky (talk) 09:13, 13 August 2020 (UTC)

As far as I can tell, this information does not appear in the book of Shilon. Zero^talk 10:24, 13 August 2020 (UTC)

Born in Poland

Menachem Begin was Born in Poland. That time Poland was occupied by Russia but it was still Poland and because of that he was named Mieczysław Biegun. It should be written clearly that he was born in Poland. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 49.192.15.8 (talk) 06:59, 4 November 2020 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 15 December 2020

Hello, The URL of the Menachem Begin Heritage Center is incorrect. change the official website of the Heritage Center to https://www.begincenter.org.il/?lang=en Eliya Nahmani (talk) 11:35, 15 December 2020 (UTC)

 Done @Eliya Nahmani: Thank you for your request; the link has been fixed.

Neoliberal economic bias

These statements are obviously not unbiased and are made from a neoliberal "orthodox" economic approach that reccommends "austerity" in all cases much like IMF consensus but against both keynesian, socialist, and marxist economics; yet it is stated as pure unadulterated fact that inflation is cause by "government spending" and not by the deregulation of trade and the end of subsidies and price controls:

the fact that government spending was not significantly reduced in tandem with the liberalization program triggered a massive bout of inflation. On 17 July 1978, the Israeli cabinet met to discuss rising inflation, but Begin, declaring that "you cannot manage economics over the housewife's back", halted all proposals. In the end, the government decided not to take any actions and allow inflation to ride its course. Begin and his other ministers did not internalize the full meaning of the liberalization plan. As a result, he blocked attempts by Erlich to lower government spending and government plans to privatize public-sector enterprises out of fear of harming the weaker sectors of society, allowing the privatization of only eighteen government companies during his six-year tenure

"Only" eighteen privatizations? (said as if that was so very little when they are on strategic national interests and "Not enough"); yes, this is obviously not compatible with the neutrality of wikipedia. Note how the previous Labor government didn't have hyperinflation for 30 years while sustaining higher spending. Also notice how not a single source is quoted throught. The section needs to be rewritten, opinions attributted and contrasting analysis added. --186.141.133.178 (talk) 19:27, 15 December 2020 (UTC)

Unless you have WP:RELIABLE sources that discuss this from a different point of view you're wither [[[wp:POV]] pushing or doing orignal reaserch (WP:OR), neither of which belong on wiki—blindlynx (talk) 23:25, 19 December 2020 (UTC)

tertiate

Why is it notable that Begin invented a new meaning for an obsolete word? Was the rest of his life so uninteresting that this is worth including in his biography? Personally I think that this is inappropriate, and having a whole section on it is ridiculous. Zero^talk 11:34, 21 December 2020 (UTC)

Second infobox in the middle of the article

Political career section has another infobox, overlapping with the main one. There is a discussion to merge these infobox templates. --Triggerhippie4 (talk) 17:00, 13 January 2021 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 7 July 2021

Add Category:Ministers of Transport of Israel. Quacelinz3 (talk) 20:10, 7 July 2021 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. @Quacelinz3: - the article doesn't mention that he ever held this role (that I could find)
SSSB (talk) 11:57, 14 July 2021 (UTC)

It's on the hebrew wikipedia but there's no source and it's not included in the infobox, so you're right, we shouldn't add it yet. Bwmdjeff (talk) 22:57, 10 August 2021 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 7 July 2021 (2)

Add Category:Leaders of the Opposition (Israel). Quacelinz3 (talk) 20:21, 7 July 2021 (UTC)

 Not done: According to the page's protection level you should be able to edit the page yourself. If you seem to be unable to, please reopen the request with further details. @Quacelinz3: I would do this myself but I am not yet extended confirmed. I have noticed, however, that you are - as of 08/03/2021. A belated congratulations on that milestone, and happy editing! ––Sirdog9002 (talk) 04:46, 11 August 2021 (UTC)

Mieczysław Biegun

This article by historian Philip Steele provides very convincing evidence that Begin never used the name Mieczysław Biegun. Moreover, our article does not appear to contain a reliable source that he did. So I'm removing it from the article. If it goes back, it should not be in the lead but instead be something like this: "The name Mieczysław Biegun sometimes attributed to him has no documentary support.[ref]". Zero^talk 02:09, 3 December 2021 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 4 December 2021

"He had asked to be buried there instead of Mount Herzl, where most Israeli leaders are laid to rest, because he wanted to be buried beside his wife Aliza, as well as Meir Feinstein of Irgun and Moshe Barazani of Lehi, who committed suicide in jail while awaiting execution by the British."

Change to "committed suicide together in jail". It is not clear from this sentence that they both committed suicide.

As per Moshe Barazani's Wikipedia entry: "The two embraced each other with the live grenade lodged between them." As per Meir Feinstein's Wikipedia entry: "They lit the grenade and then stood embracing each other, with the grenade lodged between them." Scotty1141 (talk) 10:00, 4 December 2021 (UTC)

 Done Thanks for the suggestion. Zero^talk 12:53, 4 December 2021 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 11 January 2022

Please add the following book to the additional reading section: Ofer Grosbard, Menachem Begin : the absent leader. [Glilot] : Strategic Research and Policy Center, National Defense College, IDF, [2007?] Dovidroth (talk) 08:37, 11 January 2022 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Are there any sources that support this as a seminal or important work on Begin? ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 13:26, 11 January 2022 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 27 April 2022

The Menachem Begin#Begin in fiction and on film subsection clearly does not belong under the 'Death' Section and should be moved to it's own part of the article. ― TaltosKieronTalk 19:29, 27 April 2022 (UTC)

 Partly done: I just removed the whole section as essentially unsourced and undue. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 19:37, 27 April 2022 (UTC)

Edit request: Wording

In the first paragraph, change the following:

As head of the Irgun, he targeted the British in Palestine

to

As head of the Irgun, he targeted the British in Mandatory Palestine

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This is to prevent readers from confusing Mandatory Palestine and Palestine the state — Preceding unsigned comment added by Xland44 (talk • contribs) 07:41, 29 April 2022 (UTC)

Irgun

All sources mention Irgun being a terrorist organization, not a "militant" organization. Makeandtoss (talk) 20:11, 28 December 2022 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 18 January 2023

An edit should be made to add more information about Menachem Begin. The following: "Begin gave the Israeli Air Force the order to strike Iraq's Osirak nuclear facility in 1981 because the Iraqi government was constructing nuclear weapons there. Although the world community at the time roundly criticized Israel, it became clear during the Gulf War of 1991 that Israel's action had been successful in preventing Baghdad's pursuit of nuclear weapons." Aandewatches (talk) 07:24, 18 January 2023 (UTC)

 Not done Argumentative, inaccurate, and unsourced. Zero^talk 08:13, 18 January 2023 (UTC)