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Latest comment: 3 years ago by 87.210.18.25 in topic Proposal to clean the 'Names' section from Persian chauvinism

Merge Proposal

Latest comment: 18 years ago2 comments2 people in discussion

Because Khreshchatik and Maidan were originally designed as a single architectural project I propose they be merged into a single article. Since it is impossible to mention one without the other. --Kuban kazak 13:18, 19 January 2006 (UTC)

Wrong Mamay

Wrong Mamay reference is linked to the article. Mamay composition at Maidan is to a folklore hero Kozak Mamay(Козак Мамай) not to the Golden Hore military leader Mamay. Appropriate source is listed in the ukrainian-language wikipedia. URL is uk.wikipedia.org/wiki/Козак_Мамай


Sovjet Maidan

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Arn't there more pictures of "Sovjet Maidan/The Kalinin Square"? I am curiuos what the "massive cubist monument to commemorate the 60th anniversary of the October Revolution" looked like... Mariah-Yulia 18:45, 7 October 2007 (UTC)

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Madian Persian word?

Latest comment: 10 years ago5 comments4 people in discussion

Maiadan (ميدان) is a pure Arabic word, you can check it on oxford dictionary [1] --aad_Dira (talk) 09:22, 1 August 2012 (UTC).

Why would Ukrainian have an Arabic loan word (or a Persian one)?--Jack Upland (talk) 09:47, 1 February 2014 (UTC)
For the same reason English has Arabic and Persian words? Bazaar, algebra, kebab, etc. Maidan is not just used in Ukrainian, but also in Armenian, Georgian and many other languages of the region. --Երևանցի talk 21:32, 20 February 2014 (UTC)

The point is that the word maidan spread with Islam, its etymology is Arabic, but it presumably entered Ukrainian via the "Turco-Persian" cultural sphere (Timurid conquests). I think the point of choosing it over the unmarked ploshchad is that it is emphatically not Russian. It isn't "just" an Arabic loanword like sugar or magazine or cipher, it is a consciously chosen "orientalizing" synonym of the normal word for "square". --dab (𒁳) 09:28, 26 February 2014 (UTC)

Edit summaries such as this are misleading or disingenious

It is not a matter of "choice", maidan is the Ukrainian vocabulary meaning square and since Ukraine is independent used only Ukrainian language.

I parse this as intending to convey, there was no "choice" but maidan to designate a "square", as maidan is "the" Ukrainian word for "square", and after independence, all toponyms were changed to be purely in Ukrainian. This is wrong on several levels.

  • maidan as a Turco-Persian loanword exists in Russian just as much as in Ukrainian.
  • Ukraininan does have other words for "square" besides the Turco-Persian word
  • specifically, the native word corresponding to Russian ploshchad would be ploshcha площа
  • it is patently not the case that in 1991 all instances of ploshchad were changed to maidan. This happened specifically just for this single square. If all squares in Ukraine were called maidan, the term could never have come to be used as a shorthand for Maidan Nezalezhnosti specifically. Also, a single look at Constitution Square (Kiev), European Square (Kiev), Peremohy Square, Kontraktova Square and Poshtova Square confirms that in ploshcha and not maidan is the unmarked Ukrainian word for "square".
  • any explanation why maidan was chosen over ploshcha must go beyond the naive claim that "maidan is Ukrainian". Ploshcha is Ukrainian but not Russian. Ploshchad is Russian. Maidan is an Arabic loanword used both in Ukrainian and in Russian, but in both languages it is unusual.

--dab (𒁳) 07:25, 27 February 2014 (UTC)

Wrong transcription

Latest comment: 8 years ago1 comment1 person in discussion
[maɪ̯dˈan nezal'ɛʒnosci] - it's the Polish ending46.119.155.216 (talk) 21:21, 21 February 2016 (UTC), in Ukrainian it is pronounced [...ti]

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Proposal to clean the 'Names' section from Persian chauvinism

Latest comment: 3 years ago1 comment1 person in discussion

Hi All,

I am a regular reader of Wikipedia. I was reading this article about the Maidan square in Kiev and I can not believe the length of this 'Names' section. `it is this in Persian, it is this in Urdu, it is this in bla bla'.

Who cares what it is in Persian or Urdu or whatever? The fact is this is a pure ARABIC word and it was borrowed into Ukranian language from Turkish language (I think Turks had occupied the southern parts of Ukraine). That would do the job. We did not need all that irrelevant stuff! Who cares if the same ARABIC name is also borrowed by Persian or Urdu or Turkmen etc languages in an article about a square in Kiev?

I am reacting to this, because I think this is all created by some Persian Chauvinism going on in Wikipedia. This trade of somehow persianification of all things and when not possible, exaggerating such weakest links to anything Persian. Probably the Urdu etc have been added to dillute the Persian agenda.

How about this article here about Plaza Major in Madrid: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plaza_Mayor,_Madrid

Do you think should we add there as well about the fact that it comes from Latin? Should Italians claim it? Or maybe there is this Pizzeria called "Plaza Tehran" somewhere, hence the Persian connection?

Seriously, I propose to clean the 'Names' section of the article to serve its purpose.

Regards — Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.210.18.25 (talk) 13:56, 4 June 2020 (UTC)

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