Talk:Luchino Visconti

Introduction

In the intro at the top of the page, it says that Visconti is best known for The Leopard and Death in Venice. What's the basis for mentioning just these two? I'm not sure how to measure the fame of films but it seems to me that Visconti is just as well known for Ossessione, Rocco and his Brothers, and Senso. Any objections if I add these? (Simon Clarke (talk) 04:50, 4 July 2012 (UTC))

"Best known" certainly needs some clarification via inline citations to a reputable source, otherwise how does one judge? By box office? Critical reactions (rotten tomatoes website popularity?, etc?

I would agree with you that the titles you mention certainly stand alongside the two included in the intro. Viva-Verdi (talk) 17:26, 5 July 2012 (UTC)

notoriously gay

from the article 'Notoriously gay, Visconti always preferred to have good-looking leading men, and one of his favorites was Austrian actor Helmut Berger, who played Martin in “The Damned”.'

what exactly does notoriously gay mean. the german article states that visconti never made a big deal out of his homosexuality. also berger was not just 'one of his favourites' but had a relationship with visconti. trueblood 07:01, 8 July 2006 (UTC)

• Being "notoriously" gay myself I propose to add the qualification "notoriously straight" to the articles om Margaret Thatcher, Bill Clinton, Louis XV, Lance Armstrong, Nietzsche, Mozart, Bach and at least 40 000 others!:)

Robert Prummel 17:56, 17 October 2007 (UTC)

According to the key-novel IL SIGNORE DELLE OMBRE (The Shadows Lord) by Nantas Salvalaggio, he was notoriously bisex and possibly had a son by actress Maria Denis. He always declared that this son wasn't his, but Pietro Koch's, a famous nazi torturer. However he send a doctor for a blood examination, refused by the boy (born in 1944), who became a grey friar at 18 in a monastery in southern France. Maria Denis always declared she attended Koch just to save Visconti, then in nazi jail, which ruled because the director was released soon after. After that, Visconti broke every relation with Denis, maybe because he thought she really had a sexual relation with Koch and ignored she did for saving him. According to the same book, he had relations also with actress Clara Calamai. Valerio —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.51.112.68 (talk) 13:26, 29 September 2008 (UTC)

Political involvment

I think it should be mentioned that Visconti took part in the resistence against nazi-fascism and was close to the Italian communist party. See this Italian page: http://www.luchinovisconti.net/visconti_pg/visconti_vita.htm Plch 22:43, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

Why the removal of links to Criterion essays on Visconti's film?

Two links were removed. WHY? Both authors are reputable authorities in their field, so I see no reason to remove these essay links.

I shall replace them, and request that the edtir who removed them justify his position HERE. Viva-Verdi 01:40, 10 May 2007 (UTC)

The user was mass spamming links into articles. There was a discussion here. In the discussion, a mention was made of guidelines about Criterion links. You might find more there. IrishGuy ^talk 03:01, 10 May 2007 (UTC)

The links were removed because they were spammed to wikipedia (see special:contributions/Myrmidon3). That resulted in all additions being reverted, even if some may have been appropriate. There has already been a discussion earlier about these links on the film wikiproject, and there is argued that while these links can very well be used as references, they are often not very appropriate as plain external links (also per WP:EL 'If the site or page to which you want to link includes information that is not yet a part of the article, consider using it as a source first.'). Here, and on several other pages where the link is still on wikipedia, the links are to movies by the director in question. Hence, these links may be appropriate on the pages about the movie (but better as references), but not on the directors page. Hope this explains. Have a nice day. --Dirk Beetstra ^{T C} 08:23, 10 May 2007 (UTC)

Good point about the links being appropriate to the specific movies rather than the general article on the director, unless they put a specific film in a broader context. As noted, ideally the body of the text should refer to the article, maybe quote from it, etc and use the reference to suport the statement. Viva-Verdi 16:52, 10 May 2007 (UTC)

The right title

Several sources , such as the Italian Wiki state that he was "Don Luchino Visconti di Modrone, Conte di Lonate Pozzolo". A count not a duke like his father. What is right?

Robert Prummel 17:51, 17 October 2007 (UTC)

None. Italy doesn't recognize ancient nobility titles by Costitution, only allowing the addition of lands name to the surname. So, Visconti was Mr Luchino Visconti di Modrone. Valerio —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.51.112.68 (talk) 13:29, 29 September 2008 (UTC)

I realized you meant the "historical" title. Well, the title of Duke of Modrone was Napoleonic and followed French custom, for which cadet sons had a title lower than their parents. Luchino Visconti wasn't a direct descendant of the Dukes of Milan, in fact, but of a brother of People's Captain Matteo I, 2nd unofficial "Lord" of Milan. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.51.116.250 (talk) 15:12, 12 December 2008 (UTC)

The House of Visconti page clearly states the family line as later Dukes, as of 1813, of Vimodrone (the ancient Modrone): - Uberto il Pico (1280?–1315) Vercellino podestà of Vercelli (1317) and Novara (1318–1320). Line of the Visconti di Modrone, Marquesses (1694) and later Dukes (1813) of Vimodrone, whose members include Luchino Visconti and Eriprando Visconti. - Solidzz (talk) 18:54, 23 April 2013 (UTC)

I will also note I found the House of Visconti page clearly indicates that Visconti of Modrone, From Uberto, brother of Matteo I, came the lateral branch of Dukes of Modrone. To this family belonged Luchino Visconti, one of the most prominent film directors of Italian neorealist cinema. Solidzz (talk) 18:58, 23 April 2013 (UTC)

Poor links to Visconti within Wikipedia

A wiki search for Visconti leads only to a disambiguation page for Giovanni Visconti, no Luchino, though he can be found by the links from his films. I'm new here and dont have time to work out how to fix this. Bruffik (talk) 12:37, 12 March 2009 (UTC)

I changed it so that any search for Visconti brings up all of them. Viva-Verdi (talk) 19:49, 12 March 2009 (UTC)

Reception of works

I think the article would be well served if we would include some referenced info regarding how his works were received, and how he dealt with the reception.--Abie the Fish Peddler (talk) 19:44, 11 January 2010 (UTC)

Great idea. Go ahead and add some. I can add some opera reviews, especially "Don Carlos". However, there is proably no need for complete reviews, but extracts from them would be useful, referenced below. Viva-Verdi (talk) 23:11, 11 January 2010 (UTC)

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:This article needs some organization (it's basically all just one big section at this point), and more information on his life, films, and views. Jun-Dai 00:34, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

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