Talk:List of national memorials of the United States

Why are some National Memorials not listed?

The National AIDS Memorial Grove in San Francisco is not listed among the national memorials - and I suspect there are several other national memorials this article does not include.

The memorial was named a national memorial by the US Congress in 1994 or thereabouts.

71.198.146.98 (talk) 10:59, 26 June 2011 (UTC)

Non-NPS Nat'l Memorials?

I removed two items which were not federally designated protected areas. Anyone can call themselves a "national memorial" -it is not the same thing at all. Are there, in fact, any federally designated "National Memorials" not run be the NPS? Rmhermen 19:51, May 13, 2004 (UTC)

Benjamin Franklin National Memorial is Congressionally authorized, but administerd by the Franklin Institute. However, it is an "affiliated area" of the NPS, meaning that the Institute can request certain assistance from that agency. — Eoghanacht ^talk 14:56, 19 September 2005 (UTC)

In answer to your question, are there federally designated "National Memorials" not run by the NPS, there is now:

St. Francis Dam Disaster National Memorial and National Monument, authorized by Congress, and signed by the President as part of the lands Bill S.47 passed on March 12, 2019.

This National Memorial will be the first in US history to be run by the United States Forest Service on land that was previously owned by the Forest Service. --Santaclaritahistory (talk) 08:04, 25 March 2019 (UTC)

References

George Mason Memorial?

Should the George Mason Memorial be included in this list? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sedna1000 (talk • contribs) 10:24, 22 October 2011 (UTC)

Added. Although the NPS has a webpage for this site, they do not include it in their list of areas while other memorials in the Mall are listed. Rmhermen (talk) 02:26, 11 December 2011 (UTC)

Update Manhattan?

How about the National September 11 Memorial & Museum? SergeWoodzing (talk) 23:55, 10 December 2011 (UTC)

That is a private foundation, not a public park. Rmhermen (talk) 00:10, 11 December 2011 (UTC)

Thanks. How would one know that, from the name? SergeWoodzing (talk) 01:15, 11 December 2011 (UTC)

You wouldn't, and this is true of many memorials in the U.S. Rmhermen (talk) 02:48, 11 December 2011 (UTC)

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Jefferson National Expansion Memorial

Jefferson National Expansion Memorial is classified by NPS as a National Historic Site, not a National Memorial, so I'm removing it from this list and adding it to the NHS list. In 1935, it was the first NHS designated by the Secretary of the Interior. See here for references, or Google the full term "Jefferson National Expansion Memorial National Historic Site". This is akin to Fred-Spots. Fredericksburg and Spotsylvania County Battlefields Memorial National Military Park contains the word "Memorial" in its name, but its designation is a National Military Park. Yoho2001 (talk) 11:19, 1 March 2016 (UTC)

The NPS disagrees with you in its designations list. I see nowhere in the Historic Sites Act that specifies that sites created under its authority are "National Historic Sites", and the executive order only calls for "a historic site". Your search suggestion is not giving me anything official beyond that link, and I am very inclined to use the NPS's current designations rather than what this older and potentially misnamed book and little else uses.. Reywas92^Talk 05:50, 2 March 2016 (UTC)

I didn't realize this was being discussed on two different talk pages. I agree with Reywas92 that we should reflect the NPS's own current classifications. Ethelred unraed (talk) 23:04, 2 March 2016 (UTC)

The NPS does call it a National Historic Site (see this travel itinerary). Last week, the site was redesignated a national park. It's not clear whether the new name replaces its NHS designation, or is in addition to it. The NPS can classify things as they like, but that classification sometimes does not reflect fact. For example, it counts Oregon Caves NM & Preserve as a single park, when it's really two separate units--a national monument and a national preserve--similar to Great Sand Dunes, and several Alaska parks and preserves, which are counted as separate units. Yoho2001 (talk) 08:48, 28 February 2018 (UTC)

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Congressionally-designated non-NPS national memorials

• David Berger National Memorial, listed on NPS site at https://www.nps.gov/dabe/index.htm but not a unit or affiliated area: [1]
• AIDS Memorial Grove, designated by Congress as a national memorial in 1996
• National World War I Museum and Memorial designated 'as a ‘‘World War I Museum and Memorial’’.' in 2014. (page 568).
• Battle of Midway National Memorial with Midway Atoll National Wildlife Refuge.
• Space Mirror Memorial
• Medicine Creek Treaty National Memorial is an NM under FWS in Billy Frank Jr. Nisqually National Wildlife Refuge. [2]

Official list with a few more non-NPS NMs with links to laws can be found at [3]. Thoughts on how to present these? Reywas92^Talk 07:53, 30 October 2017 (UTC)

They could be added to the current table with a column noting each memorial's caretaker, or broken off into a separate table. David Berger NMem used to be an affiliated NPS unit. Was it quietly disconnected? On a visit there in recent years, they offered the national park passport stamp. Yoho2001 (talk) 08:58, 28 February 2018 (UTC)

As of March 12, 2019, Senate bill S.47 created the St. Francis Dam National Memorial and National Monument to be run by the United States Forest Service. This is the first in US history to be run by the Forest Service, but it is an officially designated National Memorial and National Monument authorized by the US Congress. It should be included in this list of National Memorials. Congress decided to keep the Forest Service as administrator since the land already belonged to the Forest Service. --Santaclaritahistory (talk) 08:17, 25 March 2019 (UTC)

References

Please add the St. Francis Dam National Memorial and National Monument to this list.

As stated in previous discussions, the St. Francis Dam National Memorial and National Monument was created officially by Congress on March 12, 2019 with the passage of Senate bill S.47 signed into law by the President.

Please add this to the list of National Memorials of the United States. It is the first National Memorial in US history to be run by the United States Forest Service. Congress has mandated that the Forest Service come up with a plan for a Visitor's Center and educational facilities within 3 years. There is also a plan to build a memorial wall with the names of all the victims of the disaster.

Here is information for the listing:

Name: Saint Francis Dam National Memorial and National Monument

Photo:

Saint Francis Dam Site

Location: California. Latitude: 34° 32' 29.39" N Longitude: -118° 30' 26.99" W

Date established: March 12, 2019

Area: 353 Acres

Description: The St. Francis Dam, a creation of Los Angeles water chief William Mulholland, collapsed on March 12, 1928, sending a wall of water and devastation through San Francisquito Canyon and the Santa Clara River Valley before emptying into the Pacific Ocean 54 miles away. The towns of Saugus, Piru, Fillmore, and Santa Paula suffered tremendous damage from the resulting flood. In all, more than 400 people perished, making this the second largest disaster in California history, and the second worst dam disaster in United States history after the Johnstown Flood. Plans are underway to build a visitor's center and memorial wall at the site. Santaclaritahistory (talk) 08:48, 25 March 2019 (UTC)

COI disclosure: I am President of the Santa Clarita Valley Historical Society and the St. Francis Dam National Memorial Foundation.

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I am currently working on writing descriptions for the NMems on the article and when I’m done with that will add info about those that are not NPS units/affiliated areas. I will note here, however, that the St. Francis Dam National Memorial has not been created, rather authorized to be established. I alluded to this in the lead and will expand later with other authorized sites, but the memorial will need to actually be built. Reywas92^Talk 19:03, 25 March 2019 (UTC)

redlink

How can the National Veterans Memorial and Museum, dedicated in 2018, still be a redlink?!! --Doncram (talk) 22:40, 4 June 2019 (UTC)

There is a Draft:National Veterans Memorial and Museum that SounderBruce started and I added a bit to (User_talk:SounderBruce/Archive_30#Draft:National_Veterans_Memorial_and_Museum). It should definitely be moved to mainspace soon, it's a notable museum and memorial! Reywas92^Talk 00:11, 5 June 2019 (UTC)

The draft still needs to be rewritten, since I'm not confident that it takes full advantage of the sources. A red link is no big problem...in the interim, it could be redirected to something else. SounderBruce 02:56, 6 June 2019 (UTC)

Redirected to what? Rewritten how, to what extent? The article does not need to be in a finished state to be in the mainspace; I think it's a decent start that does not require every statement in the sources to be presentable. If you're not going to finish it, let's put it out there for others to find and work on too. Reywas92^Talk 13:36, 9 June 2019 (UTC)

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A separate article on national memorials?

Should there be an article separate from this that is about the concept of the American national memorial, not just a list of them? While the opening paragraphs do go into some detail on the subject of national memorials and their history, more details could be added, and more topics related to American national memorials could be addressed. However, I'm not sure if it is necessary to do so. What are your opinions on this? ERBuermann (talk) 16:07, 2 November 2022 (UTC)

You're more than welcome to add a background or history section to this article! If and when it gets longer a split may be appropriate, but it doesn't need to be separate yet. Reywas92^Talk 15:14, 3 November 2022 (UTC)