Talk:List of mass shootings in the United States in 2022/Archive 1

Archive 1

Map template

For anyone that wants to edit the map included in this article I'm linking the template for it: Template:Map of United States mass shootings/2022. When editing keep in mind the location, lat/long coordinates for the location and date of event. Thanks. Leaky.Solar (talk) 16:58, 12 January 2022 (UTC)

Map template

For anyone that wants to edit the map included in this article I'm linking the template for it: Template:Map of United States mass shootings/2022. When editing keep in mind the location, lat/long coordinates for the location and date of event. Thanks. Leaky.Solar (talk) 16:58, 12 January 2022 (UTC)

February 12 shooting location (West Hollywood vs Los Angeles)

The location of the shooting has been made unclear due to a conflict between media reports and the geolocation of Nice Guy (the restaurant the shooting occurred outside of). News media report the shooting occurred in West Hollywood, but the location of the restaurant and the roads the restaurant are located in Los Angeles, but right on the border with West Hollywood. It is made all the more confusing because the restaurant is several times closer to West Hollywood than the center of Los Angeles itself and also because West Hollywood is an enclave within the borders of Los Angeles.

Should the shooting be considered to have occurred in Los Angeles or West Hollywood? RaskBunzzz (talk) 04:08, 15 February 2022 (UTC)

We have to go by what the source says. It says the location is West Hollywood which is its own city, not part of L.A. TomCat4680 (talk) 04:13, 15 February 2022 (UTC)

I know West Hollywood is its own city. The crime scene was also handled by the Los Angeles Police Department (not to be confused with the Los Angeles County Sheriff's Department which serves West Hollywood). The source also gives the location of the shooting and the location it gives is in Los Angeles. The LAPD also has a newsroom release regarding the shooting and it says that the Los Angeles Police Department's Wilshire Area officers responded to the incident, rather than LASD officers who would be responsible for West Hollywood. RaskBunzzz (talk) 00:08, 16 February 2022 (UTC)

Sounds like the first source was wrong then. I changed it back. TomCat4680 (talk) 01:33, 16 February 2022 (UTC)

References

Use Caution When Using GunViolenceArchive to Determine Location

Often times GunViolenceArchive will give the wrong city as the location of the shooting, despite sources and the address they give giving a location of a different city. This came to a head twice recently when GunViolenceArchive marked the 02/12 Los Angeles, CA shooting as happening in West Hollywood, CA despite the address and geolocation they gave being located in Los Angeles, and the location news media gave being located in Los Angeles. Another issue was with the 02/16 West Little River, FL shooting, in which GunViolenceArchive marked the shooting as having occurred in Miami, FL despite no indication of that in any of the sources they provided themselves. The source provided didn't give a clear location so I had to search for a source that narrowed down the location better, and that source named West Little River as the location of the shooting. West Little River is also the address and geolocation that GunViolenceArchive provided. RaskBunzzz (talk) 22:20, 17 February 2022 (UTC)

For shootings that have injuries or deaths that are not gunshots

When a shooting has documented injuries that are a result of the attack(s) but are not caused by a gunshot, then they shall be included in a note that distinguishes the number of gunshot injuries or deaths from the number of other injuries or deaths caused by the incident in the appropriate column of the list. These other dead or injured should not be included in the overall total. A big reason for this? Imagine someone fires a shot into the air, and consequently, as a reaction, four people fall down and scrape their knees--yes they've been injured as the result of a shooting but it would be preposterous to call the event a mass shooting since no one was even shot--even though four people were injured as a result of said shooting. So, therefore this list only includes gunshot victims in its totals.

Thus far, there are the 04/17 Pittsburgh, PA, 04/16 Columbia, SC, 04/12 New York City, NY, and 03/17 Fort Lauderdale, FL shootings that have this distinction in the article. I've seen some issues over the numbers being changed around, but please only include gunshot victims in these totals, and don't try to quietly change the numbers around as the days go on. RaskBunzzz (talk) 23:41, 20 April 2022 (UTC)

Sounds like a good idea. Add a note just like when the shooter(s) gets injured/killed. TomCat4680 (talk) 00:29, 21 April 2022 (UTC)

Inclusion of Terrorist attacks

The Mass Shooting article mentions that terrorist attacks are usually not included in mass shooting statistics. However, terrorist attacks such as the recent Buffalo shooting have been included in this list. What is our criteria for a mass shooting, and does it include terrorist attacks?

Flameoguy (talk) 21:30, 17 May 2022 (UTC)

Terrorist attacks are for religious or political reasons. This guy was just a racist conspiracy theorist. TomCat4680 (talk) 21:35, 17 May 2022 (UTC)

If four or more people were shot then its a mass shooting regardless of the motivation of the shooter.Yousef Raz (talk)

Uvalde, Texas

• Robb Elementary School shooting ---Another Believer _(Talk) 20:12, 24 May 2022 (UTC)

Ethnicity

Ethnicity of the shooters would be something I would like to know 2601:203:400:3BF0:4C72:6592:D9EC:1F73 (talk) 17:46, 25 May 2022 (UTC)

Why? I can only imagine ethnicity being noted of the victims or shooter if ethnicity is a motivation for an attack. RaskBunzzz (talk) 18:03, 25 May 2022 (UTC)

Yeah seems irrelevant. TomCat4680 (talk) 21:25, 25 May 2022 (UTC)

Table sorting

I don't know how to do it, but can someone fix the sorting feature on the date column? When clicking on it to sport by date, it does it alphabetically, by name of month. Can someone make it so that said column sorts chornologically?Jdjd021 (talk) 10:14, 27 May 2022 (UTC)

"Mother Jones" is hardly a credible source of information

Its a far-left, commie propaganda site. Whats next? Alex Jones and Info Wars as wiki sources??

93.206.48.78 (talk) 01:37, 17 June 2022 (UTC)

@93.206.48.78: Please refer to this nifty essay that helps keep track of source reliability: Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Perennial sources.

While yes, it is consensus that Mother Jones is (somewhat) reliable enough for wikipedia, the general policy is to take the citations with a grain of salt/only use it for attributed quotes (If not then assess on a case-by-case basis). For this page, however, Mother Jones is used for a rather banal definition of the term "mass shooting", a definition I doubt the general public would find contention with. Plus, only 1 citations out of 328 is from Mother Jones, and its the bloody definition's citation.

I fail to see the concern and no, Info Wars isn't going to be allowed any time soon, hell, Mother Jones is barely allowed as is. Just please look into the issue before trying to stir up anything next time.

Etriusus (Talk) 03:17, 18 June 2022 (UTC)

Greenwood Park Mall.

Greenwood Park Mall, Greenland, Indiana. 2 dead, multiple injured. Happened at food court. 1 P37307 (talk) 00:14, 18 July 2022 (UTC)

Add Row Number and Running Count

Could a column for each row number be added and a running count? Thank you 98.11.252.45

• The last row number would also be the running row count.

 For example:
 Row Number
     1
     2
     3
     ....
     222

(talk) 19:49, 15 June 2022 (UTC)

• • Yes, that would make Wikipedia be a more useful informational tool for the general public to use as a reference for the increasing and incrementing public violence in the United States. Running a current tally would add to the other databases that tally events that already exist on Wikipedia. Being that this dictionary is largely staffed by volunteers from the Tech Industry, it is quite surprising that this isn't already a feature, and wasn't designed for it from the outset... Does anyone want to add that? I'm rarely on Wikipedia anymore and don't have the time to do so... Stevenmitchell (talk) 08:08, 19 July 2022 (UTC)

Denver PD in LoDo

Depending on how many individuals were hit by direct police fire vs. bullet shrapnel, the Denver Police Department may have committed the legal definition of a mass shooting on Sunday. [1], injuring 5 bystanders in the process of detaining a purportedly armed suspect (who was shot, but who didn't discharge his weapon during the shooting - it's disputed if he even had a gun). Assuming at least 4 of the 6 people shot were hit directly by bullets, this would qualify for inclusion on this list were it any other setting - but do we apply the same standards when law enforcement officers are the ones pulling the trigger (and are the only ones shooting, without return fire from the suspect)? Buggie111 (talk) 07:48, 18 July 2022 (UTC)

I don't think it counts. TomCat4680 (talk) 13:00, 18 July 2022 (UTC)

Given how the five innocent people were shot by the police, and that many of our listed definitions do not specify that the one pulling the trigger cannot be police or another agency, I think it counts. Also, at least since I've started actively working on these shooting articles, we've never discriminated against bullet wound vs. shrapnel injury, as both are caused by gunfire. RaskBunzzz (talk) 08:31, 20 July 2022 (UTC)

The list is too long and should be split into two articles

Each list should cover 6 months of 2022, and I think this should be a regular thing for all future years that have a similarly high frequency of occurrence. Keron Cyst (talk) 02:52, 4 August 2022 (UTC)

Reference 1 retrieved on is wrong

I doubt someone looked at the 2022 mass shootings list in 2019 93.83.103.158 (talk) 21:05, 12 August 2022 (UTC)

It is from the transclusion of template:Map of United States mass shootings/2022 and that, in turn, was copied from other templates. I just removed it. Richard-of-Earth (talk) 06:18, 20 August 2022 (UTC)

Should the Vestavia Hills Church Shooting be included in this list?

I added the Vestavia Hills Church Shooting to this list but it keeps getting removed. In the Definitions section of this list, it states that "incidents considered mass shootings by at least two of the above sources are listed below." According to the Stanford University MSA Data Project and Mother Jones definitions listed, the Vestavia Hills Church Shooting would be considered a mass shooting.

The shooting fits two definitions listed in the article, so I think it should be included. Silent-Rains (talk) 00:10, 2 September 2022 (UTC)

Not Updating

This page appears to have stopped updating. 198.30.33.2 (talk) 20:45, 5 October 2022 (UTC)

Update it. CameronNemo (talk) 02:51, 2 January 2023 (UTC)

Missing Shooting Incidents

At least 3 recent mass shootings in Pittsburgh are not included on the list 2600:1016:B004:F81D:A018:E690:B14C:71A8 (talk) 08:46, 18 October 2022 (UTC)

Add them. Or note them here. CameronNemo (talk) 02:51, 2 January 2023 (UTC)

This article seems biased against the US.

^ 71.36.18.249 (talk) 04:45, 2 January 2023 (UTC)