Talk:List of countries by forest area

Numbers not lining up

Chart 1
Canada and the United States = 3,680,000 km2

Chart 2
Canada = 4,916,438 km2
United States = 3,100,950 km2
Total = 8,017,388 km2

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This should list the forested area as a PERCENT of the total land area, otherwise obviously huge countries like Russia and Canada are definitely going to get the highest rank.

Yes. There should definitely be an additional option to sort the countries by the percent of their forest area. Who's up to the task? -- Mttll (talk) 15:11, 27 August 2009 (UTC)

Done. Jjatria (talk) 07:31, 7 March 2010 (UTC)

Thank you for adding the % but I will change one more thing, when you arange the graph in the order of forest % it mixes up the order with things like 9.1% next to 91.1% and 3.2% next to 32% and so on. I will add a "0" to the front of all the single digit amounts, or amounts under 10% and hope it works. If it makes things worse I will undo it. Carlwev (talk) 10:42, 17 April 2010 (UTC)

I done it it seems to work however it may have been a problem with the system as the list uses a comma instead of a dot for the decimal point maybe the system only recognises dots, is it worth changing them all, it still works now.Carlwev (talk) 11:03, 17 April 2010 (UTC)

What numbers were used for calculating the percentages? Noticed that the Canada area was absurdly wrong and calculated both it and the US percentage. The US percentage is either 32.19 or 31.48 depending on using land area or total area, neither of which quite matches what's listed here. I used the areas given on the US wikipedia page, which I would have thought would be the same area used to initially create the numbers here. (The Canada percentage is either 34.10 or 31.06 incidentally.) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.151.197.38 (talk) 20:07, 24 September 2014 (UTC)

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A discussion has been started at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Countries/Lists of countries which could affect the inclusion criteria and title of this and other lists of countries. Editors are invited to participate. Pfainuk talk 12:17, 17 December 2008 (UTC)

Article name?

The name of this article does not reflect all of its content. It currently includes forest area statistics for the entire planet, continents (though not all), regions (somewhat idiosyncratically defined), and subnational units (provinces, states, territories, dependencies) -- as well as for countries. Would List of places by forest area be more accurate? Is the present name close enough? Other suggestions? Thanks, DA Sonnenfeld (talk) 11:33, 8 September 2012 (UTC)

Article (list) structure

As currently structured, this list is broken into three groupings: supranational regions, countries, and subnational units. This change also incorporates an earlier recommendation to eliminate the rank ordering, to facilitate sorting. While I see some advantage to a single listing, it is not accurate to refer to it as a 'list of countries...' I also think it is misleading, since it is a mixed list of all different kinds of units -- comparing apples with apple orchards with apple seeds... Before reverting it to the earlier version, I'd like to encourage a discussion here regarding the best way to structure this list. Thanks, DA Sonnenfeld (talk) 00:42, 13 September 2012 (UTC)

A few days ago I added a separate rank-order column per Help:Sorting#Adding a separate rank column (1,2,3) next to a table.

I had to remove the separate rank-order column that I added before. See this revision of the article to see it with the separate rank-order column.

Tables with references in cells other than header cells are problematic in this case. Reference numbers are in superscript, and this increases the height of the cell. So a separate rank column does not work in this case, especially when multiple cells in a column have references. Note that the rows in the rank-order column gradually stop lining up with the rows to the right as one goes down the table. --Timeshifter (talk) 19:14, 18 September 2012 (UTC)

Yes, I noticed this... I tried various options too, but couldn't overcome it. Yet another approach would be to include a non-sortable column with the countries (1-XXX), but then there is the problem of cumbersome updates as the list of countries changes. There may be no perfect solution. Thanks for trying, though! DA Sonnenfeld (talk) 19:51, 18 September 2012 (UTC)

I am figuring this out as I go. :) I add what I learn to Help:Sorting#Adding a separate rank column (1,2,3) next to a table. Eventually, maybe MediaWiki software will be revised so that it automatically puts references by themselves in columns in regular text and not superscript. Or maybe MediaWiki will have some kind of code that can be added to the top of such columns that would force the references to be in regular text and not superscript. Feel free to suggest this at WP:Bugzilla. --Timeshifter (talk) 21:00, 18 September 2012 (UTC)

Spain Forest Coverage

Due to this article, forest coverage in Spain is around 55%, however the cited link redirects to another page (http://www.cbd.int/countries/profile/default.shtml?country=es) that clearly says "Forests and wooded zones cover 32% of the country’s territory. " I wonder how people end up with different percentage than the actual source they supply? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Baloglu (talk • contribs) 01:07, 27 November 2014 (UTC)

Spain is quite mountainous, and most of the forests are in the mountains. Maybe the surfaces are calculated with the slopes for the case of the forests and not for the total area.--82.35.190.130 (talk) 17:56, 23 January 2015 (UTC)

I don't think "maybe" is a good source of information against the cited reference which presents entirely different result.Baloglu (talk) 23:41, 10 March 2015 (UTC)

36.8% by 2015 according to the World Bank. Unfortunately the source has no more updated data beyond then. MS1337 (talk) 17:12, 4 June 2018 (UTC)

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Sudan listed twice

Numbers 13 and 22 in the list are both Sudan. South Sudan is listed separately. So it is unclear to what these differing values refer.

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Half the sources don't add up

Either they're wrong, out of date, or irrelevant. Or sometimes, all three (see: the Netherlands).

Some places have no sources at all.

Who made this? — Preceding unsigned comment added by EternalTempest (talk • contribs) 22:26, 3 February 2020 (UTC)

Figures don't add up

There's a problem somewhere in the Planet, continents and regions section. The figure given for forest cover in Europe is 100% of Europe's land area. Konli17 (talk) 11:54, 3 November 2020 (UTC)

I copied the numbers from the Global Forest Resources Assessment 2020 page. According to this page Europe covers about 10,180,000 square kilometres. The forest area in Europe given on this page is 1,017,461, which would be around 10% of Europe's area? Or am I missing something? Aquatic Ambiance (talk) 15:24, 3 November 2020 (UTC)

The figures in the table are given in units of 1000 hectares, not square kilometres. 1000 hectares is 10 square kilometres. Konli17 (talk) 17:55, 3 November 2020 (UTC)

Hm, you're right. But that's how the Food and Agriculture Organization calculates the numbers. Not sure why, it seems so cumbersome, why not just use square kilometers. When you multiply the number of Europe by ten you get ten million square kilometers and that's the whole of Europe, is that what you're saying? Then it's wrong indeed. How can they publish such a huge mistake. Have you noticed other incorrect numbers? I have a hard time getting all of this in my head btw. Thanks for pointing this out. Aquatic Ambiance (talk) 19:25, 3 November 2020 (UTC)

Aquatic Ambiance Konli17 Yes dropping down Europe then Asia at https://fra-data.fao.org/WO/fra2020/home/ shows more forest in Europe - which seems unlikely. Maybe they divided up Russia wrong between the 2 continents. Shall I ask them or has anyone already written to them?Chidgk1 (talk) 18:04, 5 September 2021 (UTC)

Chidgk1 You are welcome to send them a message. I haven't done so and I don't think anybody else did. Aquatic Ambiance (talk) 09:03, 6 September 2021 (UTC)

Mailed fra@fao.org "Thanks for the interesting report. Is the Europe total correct please? Can you answer at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:List_of_countries_by_forest_area#Figures_don't_add_up" Chidgk1 (talk) 11:00, 6 September 2021 (UTC)

Orjan.Jonsson@fao.org replied quickly but by email: "Please note that the FRA region of Europe includes Russian Federation (see figure 1 of the FRA 2020 main report http://www.fao.org/documents/card/en/c/ca9825en ). The total forest area of Europe for the year 2020 was 1 017 461 (1000 ha), excluding the Russian Federation the corresponding figure was 202 150 (1000 ha) –see table 2 of the FRA 2020 main report.

I hope this answer was useful, if not then please let me know.

With kind regards,

Örjan" Chidgk1 (talk) 14:59, 6 September 2021 (UTC)

Thank you for the help. The area given on Europe is without Russia. And Europe's forest area given on that fao.org page is with Russia. Ok now we know why it didn't add up. What's weird is that Russia's forest area isn't added to Asia either. So what we can do is just use the numbers given for Europe excl. Russian Federation (page 16) for Europe and add a little note to it saying it's excluding Russia? Or, maybe better, we can add Russia's individual number to Europe. Aquatic Ambiance (talk) 15:16, 6 September 2021 (UTC)

Dunno - I would probably give up and delete all the figures for continents Chidgk1 (talk) 15:31, 6 September 2021 (UTC)

Ok, I added a side note to Europe. Aquatic Ambiance (talk) 13:51, 7 September 2021 (UTC)

How many articles do we need?

Hello Aquatic Ambiance

I am a bit confused. Are you wanting to keep two separate articles - one with absolute numbers and the other with percent?

Chidgk1 (talk) 16:30, 5 September 2021 (UTC)

By the way I have proposed deletion of European countries by forest area Chidgk1 (talk) 17:46, 5 September 2021 (UTC)

Hello Chidgk1, List of countries by forest area (percentage) should be merged and linked to List of countries by forest area. As it is now. Yes I agree, that article is irrelevant now. Aquatic Ambiance (talk) 17:51, 5 September 2021 (UTC)

I was merging it. But I am happy with your edit as now I see the percent article was all out of date. So I will leave things as they are now. Chidgk1 (talk) 17:58, 5 September 2021 (UTC)

Aquatic Ambiance the other article has been brought back by Kostja. As I don't want to spend more time on this I requested it be deleted - perhaps both of you could comment at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of countries by forest area (percentage) Chidgk1 (talk) 06:17, 8 September 2022 (UTC)

No one did the merging, though - I mean, the merging was done, with the previous article deleted, but no one added the date there (the percentages) to this article here, so it wasn't a proper merging, just a massive deletion of data. I have reverted the improper merge and restored List of countries by forest area (percentage), at least until someone volunteers to do an actual merging, bringing here all the data from there. Dan Palraz (talk) 17:43, 3 July 2023 (UTC)

Forest area % of land area (2020)

I see this shows on the FAO website in external links as a pie chart for an individual country - but I leave it to someone else to figure out if bulk download is possible and to do it Chidgk1 (talk) 18:16, 5 September 2021 (UTC)

Can we put the percentages back? They were very useful, and I don't understand why they were removed. Judokitty (talk) 13:31, 8 April 2024 (UTC)

They were out of date. You can now see more up to date percents via List of countries by forest area#Share of national land which is forest Chidgk1 (talk) 14:48, 8 April 2024 (UTC)

Lead image

@Aquatic Ambiance: Please see the MOS guidelines on lead images, which state in part:

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Emphasis mine. In particular, a cartoon of a tree is unquestionably not representative of an article giving data on forest coverage area. Unless someone can come up with a better idea (and there may very well be one), going without is preferable here. 35.139.154.158 (talk) 17:38, 7 September 2022 (UTC)

A tree is not representative of an article about trees? Hm. Aquatic Ambiance (talk) 19:03, 7 September 2022 (UTC)

A cartoon tree is not illustrative of an article about forest coverage data, no. 35.139.154.158 (talk) 19:30, 7 September 2022 (UTC)

How about one of these or similar Russia forest pic

Russia has the most forest

Russia has the most forest

Chidgk1 (talk) 06:36, 8 September 2022 (UTC)

Need a Brazil article?

I see there is a category for their forests but not an overall article Chidgk1 (talk) 09:11, 12 February 2024 (UTC)