Talk:List of countries by GDP (nominal) per capita/Archive 2

Archive 1

Archive 2

What the heck is going on with the new IMF figures?

So here's the link to the latest batch of IMF data for nominal GDP per capita, all nations included. Something bizarre seems to be happening in this data: there's a sharp systematic drop in the numbers from 2014 to 2015. For just a few examples:

• Canadian GDP per capita falls from $50,400 in 2014 to $45,000 in 2015.
• German GDP per capita falls from $47,600 in 2014 to $42,000 in 2015.
• French GDP per capita falls from $44,500 in 2014 to $38,500 in 2015.

There are many other mysterious corrections like these. It seems to be a systematic correction for dozens of nations throughout the world, though certainly not all. The US, for example, had a normal year-to-year bump (from 54k to 56k). Does anybody have any idea what's going on here? Unless I missed something, I'm pretty sure the economy of Canada didn't collapse by 10% last year. My hunch is that there's some sort of internal system error in the IMF database. Another plausible scenario is that the IMF decided to radically re-evaluate how it measures these numbers. I tend to discount this last hypothesis because of the inconsistencies in the data (the reductions are not uniform), though there might by some other clever explanation I'm not thinking of now.

Would anyone like to venture one? Ultimately we have to decide how to incorporate this data in Wikipedia, and it doesn't help if a formerly trustworthy organization starts giving us numbers that look schizophrenic.UBER ^(talk) 17:04, 7 May 2015 (UTC)

@UberCryxic: This is the result of currency swings. The US dollar has been strengthening this year, and as a result, many other economies become smaller in US dollar terms, even if they experience growth in local currency terms. This is exactly why this is called "nominal" GDP. IMF also publishes data in terms of PPP (purchasing power parity), which is less susceptible to currency swings. See List of countries by GDP (PPP) per capita. -Zanhe (talk) 21:50, 7 May 2015 (UTC)

Yes you're right. I feel silly for missing that. Thank you!UBER ^(talk) 01:20, 8 May 2015 (UTC)

Verifying numbers

I'm going through and verifying the numbers per the given sources. The IMF data was way off. EvergreenFir (talk) Please {{re}} 21:47, 29 May 2015 (UTC)

World Bank numbers cannot be verified. Closest I can find is data at this database using 2013 and per capita gdp in US$. 2014 data not available yet. I'll change the table soon if anyone cannot find a different/better/accurate source. EvergreenFir (talk) Please {{re}} 01:58, 30 May 2015 (UTC)

Thanks for doing the hard work, EvergreenFir. This list (and other GDP lists) are very hard to maintain because of constant IP vandalism and boosterism. I say if we can't find reliable sources for World Bank data, we should simply remove the column. IMF and World Bank are closely related organizations and their data tend to be quite similar anyways. -Zanhe (talk) 03:54, 30 May 2015 (UTC)

No problem. I've updated the World Bank data. IMF and World Bank are different. Don't see a need to remove it if the data is there. But if the WB data gets too old we might think of removing it. EvergreenFir (talk) Please {{re}} 15:55, 4 June 2015 (UTC)

Any suggests on how to deal with the CIA data? The years are all over the place and that's some major WP:CALC happening. EvergreenFir (talk) Please {{re}} 17:00, 4 June 2015 (UTC)

Nevermind. 2013 is mostly complete with a few exceptions. Better ref would be this link. EvergreenFir (talk) Please {{re}} 17:01, 4 June 2015 (UTC)

CIA Data removed

I have boldly removed the CIA column as original research. WP:CALC is one thing, but this seems a bit more than that. It combines two separate data sources (the CIA and the US Census Bureau) into a single dataset. EvergreenFir (talk) Please {{re}} 22:19, 5 June 2015 (UTC)

Sounds reasonable to me. It does look like OR. -Zanhe (talk) 02:26, 6 June 2015 (UTC)

@Apipia: Please come discuss the CIA data that you restored. EvergreenFir (talk) Please {{re}} 13:20, 8 June 2015 (UTC)

I reckon we should keep the CIA data. They are, and always have been, the most comprehensive data collected among the sources. Apipia (talk) 02:08, 9 June 2015 (UTC)

@Apipia: I wouldn't think of removing them from List of countries by GDP (nominal), but do you not think it's a bit of a stretch to have calculated these numbers using two different data sources? EvergreenFir (talk) Please {{re}} 02:45, 9 June 2015 (UTC)

I'm fine with that, they both can be seem as reputable sources to me. Apipia (talk) 02:56, 9 June 2015 (UTC)

Okay! I won't revert but would love to hear what others think. EvergreenFir (talk) Please {{re}} 03:02, 9 June 2015 (UTC)

Performing calculations on datasets from different sources is WP:SYNTH, which is not allowed. And it's unnecessary because we already have three other sets of data readily available. If CIA chooses not to publish GDP per capita data, then we shouldn't include CIA in this list. -Zanhe (talk) 07:43, 13 June 2015 (UTC)

Anyone wish to invite an outside person to weigh in on this? EvergreenFir (talk) Please {{re}} 23:31, 13 June 2015 (UTC)

I support your attitude, and can't understand Apipia's. Yes, Apipia is correct when claiming that only "reputable" sources has been used, but they must be of the same origin - if we want to infer anything from their combination. As far, CIA has said nothing about whether they accept US Census Bureau's data - nor has US Census Bureau said anything about whether they accept CIA's data, so we cannot combine both sources for getting any conclusion from this combination. HOOTmag (talk) 07:51, 25 August 2015 (UTC)

the wrong map of russia

the wrong map of russia

where is crimea? I even don't see Mongolia there? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 61.194.27.0 (talk) 20:53, 30 December 2015 (UTC)

Germany

I'm confused about Germany's data from IMF for 2015. They have growth 0f 1,5%, yet significantly lower GDP per capita. Also, population has lowered. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.92.158.203 (talk) 17:04, 11 April 2016 (UTC)

This also occurred for a number of other countries, particularly those in the EU. Possibly due to a revaluation of the GDP definition or just more accurate assessment? Or maybe due to devaluation of the Euro? I am not sure but it seems to match data from other sources. Rob984 (talk) 21:35, 5 June 2016 (UTC)

Hong Kong is included in ranking for IMF 2015

Hong Kong is included in ranking for IMF 2015 which I assume is a mistake since other non-sovereign entities are ignored in ranking (Macau for example). Rob984 (talk) 21:31, 5 June 2016 (UTC)

New statistic IMF 4 oktober 2016 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.41.42.149 (talk) 14:47, 5 October 2016 (UTC)

Brazil

Brazil has disappered from all lists. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.96.231.242 (talk) 14:11, 8 March 2017 (UTC)

Lichtenstein

Why is Lichtenstein missing? For someone who never heard of it, it is in-between Austria and Switzerland. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Da Vinci Nanjing (talk • contribs) 20:06, 13 April 2017 (UTC)

Wrong color

The color for Brazil in the top right world map is wrong, it should be in the 12800-25800 range. 177.40.194.213 (talk)

Actually The color of Venezuela is wrong it should be higher than Brazil gdp per capita 66 Venezuela, Brazil gdp per capita 68, higher than Russia. PyroDroid (talk) 21:09, 10 May 2017 (UTC)

Taiwan

In response to edits by an IP editor, let me clarify why I am reverting. Taiwan is considered a sovereign state and not a dependency. Italics and — are only used on dependencies like Macau. EvergreenFir (talk) Please {{re}} 22:23, 17 February 2016 (UTC)

However, Taiwan is labelled as Taiwan, Province of China on the IMF offical website. Actually the Republic of China is still governing 2 provinces - Taiwan and Fujian (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fujian_Province,_Republic_of_China). Therefore, using Taiwan here in the country list as a sovereign state is very inacurate. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 129.78.56.166 (talk) 23:40, 17 February 2016 (UTC)

The italics system for this list is that non-sovereign states are in italics. Taiwan is sovereign even if listed as a province by the IMF. EvergreenFir (talk) Please {{re}} 00:11, 18 February 2016 (UTC)

It is ok to put Taiwan here, but the flag that is shown in the table is the natinal flag of Republic of China. Can you explain where is Fujian province (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fujian_Province,_Republic_of_China)? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 129.78.56.166 (talk) 00:18, 18 February 2016 (UTC)

I see no reason not to put the Taiwanese flag... EvergreenFir (talk) Please {{re}} 00:24, 18 February 2016 (UTC)

@Ajraddatz: care to join the discussion at all? I'm honestly not sure how to handle this one. EvergreenFir (talk) Please {{re}} 00:27, 18 February 2016 (UTC)

I am not an expert in international relations; from what I know, Taiwan claims independence (and maintains it de facto), but China still claims it to be a province. Either way, it is commonly known as "Taiwan" in English, and having the "Republic of China" listed on the article would be very confusing for English readers. The IP obviously feels that the use of "Taiwan" suggests that it is not a sovereign country, but I don't think that politicization is happening here, intentionally or otherwise. My 2c anyway Ajraddatz (Talk) 00:31, 18 February 2016 (UTC)

I suggest you should put Taiwan, Republic of China here. It is important to keep the wikipedia page as acurate as possible. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 129.78.56.166 (talk) 00:40, 18 February 2016 (UTC)

What are you basing this accuracy on? The WP:COMMONNAME is Taiwan. EvergreenFir (talk) Please {{re}} 00:46, 18 February 2016 (UTC)

Here is my opinion. There is disagreement on the de jure status of the island. There can be no reasonable disagreement on the de facto status of the island, which is that it governs itself as a sovereign state. The name of the island is Taiwan. Call it Taiwan. The phrases "province of China" and Republic of China should be avoided, because they are the two different views on its de jure status. Since it is de facto a sovereign state, list it as a nation, not a region, and by its common name on which everyone (both the KMT and Beijing) agree, which is Taiwan. Robert McClenon (talk) 01:05, 18 February 2016 (UTC)

Use the flag of the Republic of China without calling it the Republic of China. Robert McClenon (talk) 03:18, 18 February 2016 (UTC)

@Shen333: can you please point me to this historical consensus regarding Taiwan? I don't see it in the archives. EvergreenFir (talk) Please {{re}} 21:27, 22 May 2016 (UTC)

• I have put some references here[1] for the consensus. The UN for the official purpose calls the Taiwan area as "Taiwan, Province of China"[2]. I think we should follow UN's convention on all of these GDP list wiki pages. I2000s (talk) 16:20, 17 December 2016 (UTC)

Taiwan is not a member of the UN. Therefore, it is not a sovereign state recognized by the international community. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Chrischen0410 (talk • contribs) 18:15, 4 July 2016 (UTC)

That's why it's in italics. Keep it on the list as Taiwan. If butthurt PRC ultranationalists get all whiny and triggered, then too freaking bad. – Illegitimate Barrister (talk • contribs), 07:49, 29 August 2017 (UTC)

PUERTO RICO. Data

http://www.elfinanciero.com.mx/economia/cinco-graficas-que-explican-como-esta-puerto-rico.html After more than 10 years of Recession, data about income per head of the American colony of Puerto Rico is unbelievable. Fake news. It is below $ 20,000.--213.60.237.52 (talk) 18:30, 5 May 2017 (UTC)

LOL, colony? Cool story bro. – Illegitimate Barrister (talk • contribs), 08:49, 29 August 2017 (UTC)

USD Per capita of Poland

USD Per capita of Poland is three times bigger. Its 39 thousand. Poland is rich western country, First World, not crappy postcommunism. Poland belonged to the Western World, so is rich country. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 37.47.40.136 (talk) 20:27, 3 March 2017 (UTC)

Proof? Nothing against Poland, but the figure listed seems accurate. – Illegitimate Barrister (talk • contribs), 09:01, 29 August 2017 (UTC)

CIA Data

Sorry but CIA data is so wrong and so corrupted by lack of knowledge it makes no sense to post CIA data as relevant, I have more trust in FCO data than anything CIA could come up with. If data published by CIA was indicator of CIA's data gathering (spying) abilities, one can only wonder the level of incompetence at CIA's office in Langley. CIA data is at best laughable, at worse designed to confuse, undermine real data and mislead researchers. 188.220.53.72 (talk) 17:01, 29 January 2011 (UTC)

I can agree with you in one area. You certainly are Sorry. 50.32.11.192 (talk) 01:28, 19 April 2012 (UTC)

EU Stats

I think we should have EU stats here as their data is most relevant data for the EU and Industrialized economies, it is most comprehensive data out there, based on series of factors and indicators, including member states central bank reports and statistics as well as national statistics.

Europe has been added. – Illegitimate Barrister (talk • contribs), 11:13, 29 August 2017 (UTC)

Map colors

the colors on the map and in the key do not look the same to me. I find it almost impossible to use the map. Kdammers (talk) 14:41, 19 January 2018 (UTC)

Should we get this (and the other GDP/GNP pages) protected?

These GNP/GDP pages seem to be subject to constant WP:VANDALISM by IP users, or newly created users. People changing names of countries or changing the figures themselves. Ultimately users (of any vintage) should not be interfering with these data-tables, outside of the update downloads. Otherwise, even with good intentions, the data loses the integrity of its single sourcing (e.g. you can't say that it is definitively from a single source), and it becomes worthless. Shouldn't we protect the data tables on the GDP/GNP tables articles against this? Britishfinance (talk) 08:08, 10 November 2018 (UTC)

@Britishfinance: I agree that this article should be semi-protected, as List of countries by GDP (PPP) per capita and List of countries by GDP (nominal) are. List of countries by GDP (PPP) should be semi-protected as well. JACKINTHEBOX • ^TALK 02:27, 28 January 2019 (UTC)

Mismatch with source data

Why do the figures often not match the source? E.g. the table from IMF on Wikipedia for Afghanistan 588 USD, on IMF website 570 USD. Place the lists next to each other and you'll see many more differences although quite a few simple rounding errors. E.g. Albania 4544.912 USD should be rounded to 4545 not to 4544 USD. These from the IMF table all have more than a rounding error: Afghanistan, Armenia, Bahamas, Bhutan, Bolivia, Burkina Faso, Cambodia, Cameroon, Cape Verde, Central African Republic, Côte d'Ivoire, East Timor, Egypt, Eswatini, Gambia, Guinea, India, Kenya, Kyrgyzstan, Lesotho, Liberia, Malawi, Mali, Marshall Islands, Mauritania, Micronesia, Moldova, Morocco, Mozambique, Myanmar, Nepal, Nicaragua, Niger, Pakistan, Papua New Guinea, Philippines, Republic of the Congo, São Tomé and Príncipe, Senegal, Sierra Leone, Solomon Islands, South Sudan, Sudan, Tajikistan, Tunisia, Tuvalu, Uganda, Ukraine, Uzbekistan, Yemen, Zambia, Zimbabwe.NicoLaan (talk) 12:27, 26 February 2019 (UTC)

Needs update

Please update the map and datas with latest ones, last time the map updated was on 2015 Palanibe.gce (talk) 19:44, 5 July 2019 (UTC)

How are "world" statistics calculated?

How are the GDP per capita statistics for the World calculated? Is it the sum of GDP per capita of all countries divided by world population? Thanks. —JackintheBox • ^TALK 17:28, 4 June 2018 (UTC)

No, it's almost as you wrote, but without the words "per capita" (before the words "of all countries").

For the sum of GDP of all countries, i.e. the world's GDP, see the first line "world" (above "Unites States") of the tables in our article List of countries by GDP (nominal). HOTmag (talk) 13:44, 26 February 2019 (UTC)

@HOTmag: Oh I see. I didn't mean to write the second 'per capita' by the way – must have been a mistake. Thanks and sorry for late reply JACKINTHEBOX • ^TALK 04:28, 25 November 2019 (UTC)

Taiwan

Can we have a discussion on whether /how Taiwan should be included or not? Apparently, it was recently added by one editor and then deleted by another.Kdammers (talk) 05:13, 28 June 2020 (UTC)

Failed verification

@UnableDiver: about this edit - diff - where did you get the number? IMF 2020 link says 31,948 not 40,948 (United Arab Emirates).--Renat (talk) 08:56, 9 February 2021 (UTC)

Multiple Errors in Per capita GDP list

The updated list on per capita GDP is full of errors, and unfortunately I'm not a good enough editor to know how to correct all of them. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ender650 (talk • contribs) 13:39, 26 February 2021 (UTC)

Andorra is misplaced on the map

Andorra is shown as being in Dubai... — Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.80.193.101 (talk) 00:20, 20 March 2021 (UTC)

IMF for 2021

As of March 25, the IMF list is comprises both old and new values, it's a mess. The updated list can be found here. --Vihelik (talk) 06:58, 25 March 2021 (UTC)

Burundi?!

Who reported this list? Burundi is at the first place, while it actually is one of the countries with the lowest per capita GDP in the World. The guy who reported it must have mistaken the point with a comma: correct the list and the numbers, please. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.2.70.115 (talk) 09:37, 26 March 2021 (UTC)

 Fixed. --Volteer1 (talk) 09:44, 26 March 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 30 March 2021

103.163.51.1 (talk) 02:37, 30 March 2021 (UTC)

Dear Editors, Please see the ranking number 152 and 162 of the article. I think the ranking number is not right. Here Pakistan's ranking number is not 152, 162. Pakistan's correct ranking number is 162.

 Fixed. There was a lot of disruption from IP/new editors while this page was unprotected. ‑‑Volteer1 (talk) 03:04, 30 March 2021 (UTC)

Misplaced capitalization leads to link not working as intended

The Wikipedia article that is linked from "is not a measure of personal income" should scroll to the "Standard of living and GDP: wealth distribution and externalities" section, but it fails to do so. This is probably because of a typo, or the "Gross domestic product" article changing to a correct capitalization after a semicolon. The link should be changed from "https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gross_domestic_product#Standard_of_living_and_GDP:_Wealth_distribution_and_externalities" to "https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gross_domestic_product#Standard_of_living_and_GDP:_wealth_distribution_and_externalities" 174.83.49.65 (talk) 03:05, 1 April 2021 (UTC)

 Fixed. ‑‑Volteer1 (talk) 03:53, 1 April 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 10 April 2021

Some random editors always target states with limited diplomatic recognition over the list such as Taiwan, Palestine to be aligned with other dependent territories by using the same Italic font but they are totally different concepts. If the consensus have decided that the largely unrecognized states shall not be put a rank it would make sense, but it is deliberately ambiguity to put Italic font upon all non-UN members which is only tending to confuse two sort of distinct subjects into one. Please let us know what the consensus is now reached for the listing format of classification along with clarification about what entities are now eligible to be ranked? 123.195.130.73 (talk) 19:02, 10 April 2021 (UTC)

Answered below. Dinesh (talk) 16:05, 12 April 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 11 April 2021

Some random editors always target states with limited diplomatic recognition over the list such as Taiwan, Palestine to be aligned with other dependent territories by using the same Italic font but they are totally different concepts. If the consensus have decided that the largely unrecognized states shall not be put a rank it would make sense, but it is deliberately ambiguity to put Italic font upon all non-UN members which is only tending to confuse two sort of distinct subjects into one. Please let us know what the consensus is now reached for the listing format of classification along with clarification about what entities are now eligible to be ranked? 123.195.130.73 (talk) 09:15, 11 April 2021 (UTC)

Can you give an example? Please explain the changes you oppose. Tag the editors who are making such changes. Dinesh (talk) 16:03, 12 April 2021 (UTC)

@Dineshswamiin The whole issue I brought here which is... these series of by-country lists seem having no consistency or no consensus being reached, in regard to a clear criterion about what entities are now acceptable to be ranked or font changed? The uneven use of Italic font or no ranks upon all non-UN members which have caused instability of the listing format and hard to read... I also put a similar request over here. [3]

And my personal proposal is, ranking all the entities that have been included by the sources, sidestep the issue of sovereign status (as this is not a point decisive enough to be made in this type of non-political related lists), just dealing like how other similar lists have done... For example: List of countries by Human Development Index. 123.195.130.73 (talk) 17:39, 12 April 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 17 April 2021

Some random editors always target states with limited diplomatic recognition over the list such as Taiwan, Palestine to be aligned with other dependent territories by using the same Italic font but they are totally different concepts. If the consensus have decided that the largely unrecognized states shall be treated it would make sense, but it is deliberately ambiguity to put Italic font upon all non-UN members which is only tending to confuse two sort of distinct subjects into one. Please let us know what the consensus is now reached for the listing format of classification along with clarification about what entities are now eligible to be ranked? The uneven use of Italic font or no ranks upon all non-UN members which have caused instability of the listing format and hard to read... I also put a similar request over here. [4]

And my personal proposal is, ranking all the entities that have been included by the sources, sidestep the issue of sovereign status (as this is not a point decisive enough to be made in this type of non-political related lists), just dealing like how other similar lists have done... For example: List of countries by Human Development Index. 123.195.130.73 (talk) 01:40, 17 April 2021 (UTC)

 Not done for now: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{edit semi-protected}} template. Edit requests aren't a means to build consensus - you may want to look at WP:RFC. ‑‑ElHef (Meep?) 13:04, 17 April 2021 (UTC)

Consensus on this was achieved at WT:Countries. It applies to all lists of countries, including this one. In summary, it states that:

1. Having every entry ... debated and individually subjected to the consensus process on talk results in inconsistent and biased lists.^[1]
2. Where the list is based on a single source, the definition and nomenclature should be based on the source. Where it is not based on a single source, the best option is to use one outside reference point like ISO 3166-1 and stick to it.^[2]

— 𝐆𝐮𝐚𝐫𝐚𝐩𝐢𝐫𝐚𝐧𝐠𝐚 (talk) 22:13, 23 May 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 23 May 2021

The UK is written as great britain under the imf estimate 69.80.22.185 (talk) 12:12, 23 May 2021 (UTC)

 Not done: Our article calls it the United Kingdom, so that's how it should be referred to here. Zoozaz1 talk 14:46, 23 May 2021 (UTC)

Fixed. — 𝐆𝐮𝐚𝐫𝐚𝐩𝐢𝐫𝐚𝐧𝐠𝐚 (talk) 22:21, 23 May 2021 (UTC)

GDP per capita of India and Bangladesh

The Indian Express says Bangladesh GDP per capita is $2227 and India GDP per capita is $1947. So Bangladesh GDP per capita is more than $280 from India. You can click the link- https://thefinancialexpress.com.bd/economy/bangladesh/bangladesh-surpasses-india-on-per-capita-income-1621610135 or https://indianexpress.com/article/business/economy/bangladesh-outpaces-india-on-per-capita-income/ to see the GDP per capita of Bangladesh and India. Thanks. User -- @Pullar56:

Bangladesh GDP per capita is $2227. You can see- https://www.thedailystar.net/backpage/news/income-capita-increases-2227-2094069 to see the GDP per capita of Bangladesh. Thanks. User -- @Pullar56:

@Pullar56: This list based on IMF data. So how can I change it with other source? See GDP per capita of India is $2,191 and GDP per capita Bangladesh is $2,122
Thanks! Dineshswamiin (talk) 09:07, 29 May 2021 (UTC)

Bangladesh GDP per capita

File:GDP Per capita of Bangladesh29 May 2021.jpeg

Bangladesh GDP per capita is $2,227. Pullar56 (talk) 04:19, 30 May 2021 (UTC)

@Pullar56: Provided source was a copy of old revision of this page. I recently updated. Please do not change during discussion. Dineshswamiin (talk) 07:24, 30 May 2021 (UTC)

Irrelevant. The article is split into three sets of figures, and you can't change the "International Monetary Fund (2021 estimates)" unless the IMF publish a different estimate. FDW777 (talk) 07:30, 30 May 2021 (UTC)

I have something. Source one and source two. Thanks! Dineshswamiin (talk) 07:37, 30 May 2021 (UTC)

What is GDP

Whil.e the text explains the difference between nominal and PPP GDP, it does not say what GDP is, either by expanding it to Gross Domestic Product or by using other words something like 'the amount of money generated by the country's economy.' Kdammers (talk) 02:06, 31 May 2021 (UTC)

Important message for editors, both old and new

This article contains three sets of figures.

• International Monetary Fund (2021 estimates)
• World Bank (2019)
• United Nations (2019)

Those don't get changed just because there's some news article saying the GDP of [insert country name] for 2021 is going to be [insert amount here]. FDW777 (talk) 15:52, 31 May 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 1 July 2021

Israel should be 43rd between France and Japan as its GDP is 43,592.08 USD per 2019 per the World Bank which you could see with a simple google search 141.226.57.208 (talk) 19:52, 1 July 2021 (UTC)

 Not done Not what the source says. Regardless, I updated the whole WB columns to the latest estimates. Israel's is 2020 at 43,610.50 USD, putting it in 25th, between Belgium and Canada (when ranked by World Bank estimates only). — 𝐆𝐮𝐚𝐫𝐚𝐩𝐢𝐫𝐚𝐧𝐠𝐚 ☎ 02:10, 2 July 2021 (UTC)

Taiwan no color?

Why is there no color on Taiwan on the map?--柳漫 (talk) 08:14, 5 June 2021 (UTC)

Bc the map is based on IMF data, and the IMF (apparently) doesn't publish GDP data for Taiwan. — 𝐆𝐮𝐚𝐫𝐚𝐩𝐢𝐫𝐚𝐧𝐠𝐚 ☎ 02:50, 2 July 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 15 July 2021

I would suggest writing dependencies (dependent territories) in Italics as it used to be. Ranking dependencies under the same [font] style as sovereign countries is misleading at least. 172.81.142.194 (talk) 22:20, 15 July 2021 (UTC)

 Not done

1. Any nomenclature, formatting, distinction in numbering, etc, must be sourced, or else constitute WP:OR. That's confirmed by WT:COUNTRIES:

1. Having every entry ... debated and individually subjected to the consensus process on talk results in inconsistent and biased lists.^[1]
2. Where the list is based on a single source, the definition and nomenclature should be based on the source. Where it is not based on a single source, the best option is to use one outside reference point like ISO 3166-1 and stick to it.^[2]

2. This article is about countries. Nowhere does that imply sovereignty. Country refers to land; sovereignty is a quality of nations and states (which are peoples and political entities, respectively). A land is never sovereign; it may be owned by a sovereign nation or to a sovereign state, but it's not itself sovereign (which would imply that lands have agency). — Guarapiranga ☎ 15:26, 16 July 2021 (UTC)

There was already an agreement made NOT to give any implication for the sovereign status of certain political entities [5] As the use of Italics fonts always caused countless edit wars in the past especially when it concerned with several states with limited recognition. The table is meant to display figures for every entries given by the original sources, which is not a political topic and thus it remains neutral stance in regard to this matter. LVTW2 (talk) 23:28, 11 September 2021 (UTC)

IMF data needs to be refreshed (October 21 available)

I would be very grateful if the IMF data could be updated to the October 2021 figures, as the IMF's Excel sheets make ranking rather painful (by not sorting countries by region, and by including whole regions together with countries). See: https://www.imf.org/external/datamapper/datasets/WEO Thanks in advance! 193.138.94.10 (talk) 08:53, 20 October 2021 (UTC)

The proposal is to change the IMF column data, which is from the April 2021 IMF World Economic Outlook database, to the most recent data, which is from the October 2021 IMF World Economic Outlook database. This means updating the whole IMF table (or most of it) as per the IMF's updated data. 193.138.94.10 (talk) 09:06, 1 November 2021 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Please provide the wikitext for the updated table. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 13:05, 1 November 2021 (UTC)

Just to be sure: by "not clear", you do not mean that you do not understand what needs to be changed but that the requestor should go ahead and type up the values manually, is that correct? 193.138.94.10 (talk) 14:31, 1 November 2021 (UTC)

Yeah, you should write up the updated table so someone can copy and paste it in for you. Would probably be easier to get it done in your sandbox and post a link here. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 15:08, 1 November 2021 (UTC)

 Note: Closing the request for now, until the table is written. Reopen the request at that point. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 15:09, 1 November 2021 (UTC)

Asterisk for dedicated articles

Seeing as how almost all links point to "Economy of X" or "Income of X", wouldn't it be better to put the asterisk where there is no dedicated link? It would make the list much cleaner, in my opinion. —Ynhockey ^(Talk) 19:33, 8 November 2021 (UTC)

Too many errors

Iran in the table wrong data 203.184.131.163 (talk) 04:33, 21 November 2021 (UTC)

Taiwan as a territory

Mark Taiwan as a territory instead of a country. None of UN or IMF or any other major globally influential institute recognize Taiwan as a country. — Preceding unsigned comment added by David xmz (talk • contribs) 06:29, 12 January 2022 (UTC)

Prior consensus has decided that Taiwan is to be referred to as a country.

The RfC (Request for comment) page on which this decision was made can be found here. Please establish the consensus on Talk page:Taiwan if you dispute the previous decision, otherwise any change to the application to refer to Taiwan as a state, island, province of China, or other definition would be reverted.
LVTW2 (talk) 10:26, 12 January 2022 (UTC)

I deeply apologize for stupid edits

I don't know what I was thinking when I typed not 100% accurate for sure, I deeply apologize, and I will try not to edit this page from now on as it rarely seems to update. Jishiboka1 (talk) 04:15, 3 March 2022 (UTC)

Iran 2022 data

Iran at $20k? Something is not right here — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.63.93.8 (talk) 21:15, 30 April 2022 (UTC)

We take no presupposition on any data to be adopted in the list, those are compiled by the 2022 IMF report, and Wiki editors merely upload those datas to put on view for referencing purpose. This is why other comparative sources from the UN and WB were also listed here for showing discrepancy, it is not our assignment to decide the accuracy of those datas.[6]LVTW2 (talk) 03:06, 3 May 2022 (UTC)

Taiwan classification as a country

Which definition of a country is being used to classify Taiwan as a country and not a territory. It's not even a UN member state. Or this article uses the White Hosue's definition/whims of classifying territories as country? Then Puerto Rico might as well be classified as a country? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2405:204:300E:4481:F52F:7526:BDB5:4420 (talk) 16:46, 13 May 2022 (UTC)

Prior consensus has decided that Taiwan is to be referred to as a country.

The RfC (Request for comment) page on which this decision was made can be found here. Please establish the consensus on Talk page:Taiwan if you dispute about the previous decision, otherwise any change to the application to refer to Taiwan as a state, island, province of China, or other definition would be reverted.

Leave your political debate on the proper site (Talk:Taiwan) if you continue to disagree the previous consensus. Not in the non-related topic as List of countries by GDP (nominal) per capita LVTW2 (talk) 11:04, 15 May 2022 (UTC)

Update Map

Map needs to be update from year 2021 to 2022 data Titanx114 (talk) 06:45, 19 May 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 4 June 2022

The colour coding for India in the world map is not accurate. If the per capita GDP is indeed 2515 in 2022 the colour should be yellow not red. This is an important country and economy of the world and the wrong colour code is quite embarrassing. Thelonelysoldier (talk) 10:26, 4 June 2022 (UTC)

Now i updated India and some countries to latest 2022 Data Titanx114 (talk) 09:27, 12 June 2022 (UTC)

The map must be updated

Hi!I am sending this comment to request editors to update the coloured map of this page with the news colours. Bye! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A01:E0A:54B:59D0:64AC:466E:EA83:16A0 (talk) 18:21, 28 April 2022 (UTC)

✅ Done the map has been updated Titanx114 (talk) 09:30, 12 June 2022 (UTC)

Removal of Ranking of Territory

Remove the rankings of territories only country rankings should be there bcz its difficult to find actual ranking of country Titanx114 (talk) 08:59, 1 June 2022 (UTC)

 Not done :As per guidences of a RfC decision and a prior concensus, the index will include and display all entries listed by sources; the table will not differentiate list entries by omitting numbering, or inputting italics or bolding if the original source does not make such distinction.

You can try to use the sort function by clicking the first column of list to sort the relevant list in ascending order. For instance, for ranking IMF estimates in ascending order: Select "estimates" column underneath the topic of IMF. LVTW2 (talk) 16:25, 3 June 2022 (UTC)

Update WorldBank GDP (nominal) per capita 2021 https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/NY.GDP.PCAP.CD?most_recent_value_desc=true Akodamoke (talk) 01:33, 21 July 2022 (UTC)

Amend the external link to IMF data?

For some reason, the external link to the IMF dataset is for the "nominal GDP" figures, and not to the more relevant for this article "nominal GDP per capita" figures. So perhaps, the IMF external link should be changed to IMF nominal GDP per capita.

Please, open countries by gdp per capita nominal and delete: Cook Islands and Taiwan It is not a countries. Nik-Nikname (talk) 10:45, 19 October 2022 (UTC)

Taiwan is obviously not member of IMF

That means taiwan(there is no country called taiwan, but one economy called Republoc of Taiwan) should be marked with color. Otherwise it shows this table is not professional and ignorant. 77.179.106.121 (talk) 13:07, 10 August 2022 (UTC)

In the article of List_of_countries_by_GDP_(nominal). The entry for Taiwan has already contained a citation (The name used in IMF's report is "Taiwan Province of China") which is cited as a part of the IMF report, regardless of whether Taiwan as a member or not, it has its own place within the IMF report. As per guidences of a RfC decision and a prior concensus, the index will include and display all entries listed by sources; the table will not differentiate list entries by omitting numbering, or inputting italics or bolding if the original source does not make such distinction. LVTW2 (talk) 18:02, 10 August 2022 (UTC)

Taiwan is listed in the reports of IMF in many years. Trung geo (talk) 19:54, 29 August 2022 (UTC)

Please, open countries by gdp per capita nominal and delete: Cook Islands and Taiwan It is not a countries. Nik-Nikname (talk) 10:47, 19 October 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 6 October 2022

Georgia should be switched to Europe. If Cyprus, a country often regarded to be geographically entirely in Asia, is classified as Europe, and if Russia, a transcontinental country should also be listed as Europe, it's not clear to me why Georgia is not. At the very least, Georgia is considered a transcontinental country, so placing it square in Asia seems like a political statement, rather than a factual one. And please don't start with this nonsense about United Nations, the UN Regional Groups has it under Eastern Europe.

On a separate subject, why does this list even need a continental breakdown? Why can't we just list these countries as is. All of this seems like a political statement. 2600:1700:20:1D80:8C17:7978:A761:A09D (talk) 21:01, 6 October 2022 (UTC)

 Not done for now: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{edit semi-protected}} template. MadGuy7023 (talk) 21:06, 6 October 2022 (UTC)

Indeed, the UN's [https://www.un.org/dgacm/en/content/regional-groups Regional groups of Member States] lists the Caucasus countries (Armenia, Azerbaijan and Georgia) as "Eastern European States". Given how the table column is named "UN Region", this is the source we should go by. Consensus achieved. Dhyana b (talk) 21:16, 16 November 2022 (UTC)

Please, open countries by gdp per capita nominal and delete: Cook Islands and Taiwan It is not a countries. Nik-Nikname (talk) 10:44, 19 October 2022 (UTC)

Cook Islands is a self-governing island country in the South Pacific Ocean, in free association with New Zealand. (see affiliated Wiki article) Dhyana b (talk) 20:47, 16 November 2022 (UTC)

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Done. Dhyana b (talk) 03:57, 18 November 2022 (UTC)

Move discussion in progress

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Remove EU from list

EU doesn't even have a unified single currency. Bulgaria, Czech Republic, Croatia, Denmark, Hungary, Poland, Romania, and Sweden don't use EURO as their currency. EU is not qualified to be on the list.138.75.0.60 (talk) 10:02, 24 December 2022 (UTC)

Hungary nominal gdp projection for 2022 appears abnormally high

Can someone verify this claim of 27k on their page? I assume that is why it presumably falls in 20-30k range on the map. But the 2021 years nominal gdp per capita was less than 20k so this seems like an absolutely impossible jump. Also, in the table it shows it around 19k for 2022 so at the very least there is a discrepancy. 24.186.235.38 (talk) 04:30, 21 December 2022 (UTC)

Hello. What do you mean by "claim of 27k on their page"? Whose page? Dhyana b (talk) 10:54, 26 December 2022 (UTC)

Oh, I think I understood, you meant the Economy of Hungary wiki page. Yes, some trolled the values. Fixed it. -- Dhyana b (talk) 11:42, 26 December 2022 (UTC)

 Not done All listing estimats are complied with the original sources, eg. for Hungary

18,983 (2022) by the IMF

18,773 (2021) by the WB

16,129 (2020) by the UN

all figures are falled behind the estimated range you presumed, please provide credible and verified sources to prove your claim. LVTW2 (talk) 15:49, 21 December 2022 (UTC)

Rank for Monaco and Lichtenstein

I suggest that countries like Monaco and Lichtenstein get a rank, regardless if they are a member of IMF or not. Jens Ahlström (talk) 10:50, 30 January 2023 (UTC)

IMF 2021 data

There are some weird data in this report. For example why Haiti's GDP is $1 943, more than Nicaragua and Venezuela? Haiti was ALWAYS not only poorest country in the Americas, but one of the poorest in the world. Why did Somalia appear out of nowhere in this year's report after not being included for many years? Cuba and North Korea are still not included. And why is Syria's data from 2010, while 2020 report included data from 2019? It was incorrect? Could someone explain this?

Just because a country was poorest doesn’t mean it’s slated to remain like that forever. So Haiti being above Venezuela and Nicaragua is logical given Venezuela’s ongoing economic crisis and Nicaragua’s woes too so no Haiti isn’t slated to remain poor or poorest; plz stop that mindset. Nothing is fixed. In the next 100 years who knows Canada or US could be poorest Nlivataye (talk) 17:25, 28 April 2022 (UTC)

Please, open countries by gdp per capita nominal and delete: Cook Islands * and Taiwan It is not a countries. Nik-Nikname (talk) 10:42, 19 October 2022 (UTC)

Now North Korea and Cuba are included. But I suggest that they should also get a rank, since they are independent countries. Jens Ahlström (talk) 10:56, 30 January 2023 (UTC)

Rank should be on United Nations figures.

The other two sources have missing data for some independent countries, like Monaco, Lichtenstein, Cuba and North Korea. This is quit serious, since it is causing errors, not only in this table alone, but also in all the articles about all the individual countries. Jens Ahlström (talk) 06:09, 1 February 2023 (UTC)

 Not done:The table was ranked by the latest available figures of individal country/ territory with the most recent information issued by the IMF report (2022), most of the rankings are based on the IMF report only because of its year of release, which does not set the IMF data as the only criterion, . LVTW2 (talk) 17:09, 1 February 2023 (UTC)

Guyana map change

Since Guyana recently has reached a nominal GDP per capita of $17,108. I suggest the map will be changed to a more accurate one, representing the recent changes :D Guyana 176.22.182.101 (talk) 09:36, 28 January 2023 (UTC)

Well, we update with the values provided by the cited sources. Next IMF report is in April & the estimated figures for 2023 will replace the current ones (for 2022). I'm sure you'll see this change then. -- Dhyana b (talk) 23:17, 1 February 2023 (UTC)

Iran GDP per capita

Are Iran's figures accurate? It shows it was 4000 in 2021 and 23000 in 2022. Most likely due to extreme exchange rate distortions. Some kind of disclaimer or more accurate figures must be added. 74.109.236.57 (talk) 21:18, 29 January 2023 (UTC)

The table just contains the values provided by the cited sources. There prob was an extreme fluctuation in the exchange-rate, due to sanctions being lifted or something of the sort. Dhyana b (talk) 23:20, 1 February 2023 (UTC)

Ukraine

Very Strange people here are very quick to downgrade African countries per capital income and HDI but Ukraine which is obviously not doing well since its invasion yet its HDI and per capita still intact. I won't be surprised if it's soon updated to very high HDI and a newly high income economy like Luxembourg or Switzerland 197.250.230.207 (talk) 16:32, 19 March 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 23 March 2023

I would like to edit as there are some anomalies in terms of numbers like in India's case where the GDP per capita is over 2,750 USD yet it says the GDP per capita is 2,466 USD 183.82.205.249 (talk) 10:19, 23 March 2023 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. — Paper9oll (🔔 • 📝) 15:37, 23 March 2023 (UTC)

Talk about cost of living

Why the opening lines are about tge cost living? Please make sure that there will be a clear explanation about nominal per capita gdp usage. I swear that nominal should be carefully counted while corresponding only by in name for governmental or marketing purposes.2404:8000:1027:85F6:30D3:EBB5:BB00:2AC0 (talk) 22:59, 2 April 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 11 April 2023

Sweden's 2023 GDP per capita Figure according to the IMF recent APRIL economic outlook report is 55,395.444$ and not the currently shown 55,935$ Ashkarjohn (talk) 17:20, 11 April 2023 (UTC)

 Fixed Dinesh | Talk 17:31, 11 April 2023 (UTC)

 Already done M.Bitton (talk) 17:32, 11 April 2023 (UTC)