Talk:List of countries and dependencies by population
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India outnumbering China edit
I thought recently that Indians outnumber Chinese? 92.24.230.78 (talk) 12:33, 8 October 2023 (UTC)
- See List of countries by population (United Nations). Maxeto0910 (talk) 20:23, 8 October 2023 (UTC)
- It did. Apparent according to an edit made back in July this page is based on UN estimates. 24.216.160.195 (talk) 21:57, 5 January 2024 (UTC)
- Misread the edit, what I mean is it only uses UN estimates when official ones are unavailable. 24.216.160.195 (talk) 21:59, 5 January 2024 (UTC)
India and China edit
@Adithya Shankaran please provide an edit summary and an official source for your recent changes. If no source is provided, edits can be reverted for no other reason. Please use the talk page to discuss changes that have been challenged rather than reverting again. See the revert and discuss cycle. Wizmut (talk) 21:56, 14 January 2024 (UTC)
- @Adithya Shankaran Wizmut (talk) 22:31, 14 January 2024 (UTC)
Exception for India edit
Should we use the UN source for India until they publish their census results?
Almost a year ago this article was protected with the note "semi-ing to calm this down until the issue is settled". Well, the issue has not been settled.
The issue is that most demographers think India has outgrown China. But India doesn't want to say so, instead repeatedly delaying its census, possibly for internal political reasons.[1]
In total, India has delayed its 2021 census nine times.[2] They have also not published birth and death data since 2020.[3]
Right now entries on this table are usually not more than 10 years old. And between India's lack of base data and marginal data, their estimates are probably no better than one that is 10 years old. Their latest projections were published in 2020, and even their guess for March 2024 doesn't put them ahead of China's Jan 2024 estimate. Wizmut (talk) 20:01, 20 January 2024 (UTC)
- Pinging frequent editors of this article: @MIHAIL @Sokndal @TU-nor Wizmut (talk) 02:56, 21 January 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose I am fully aware of the problem, but I am reluctant to make any exceptions to the main rule. It is difficult enough to fence off editors that have found a "better" number for this or that country as it is. If they can argue that "you did that for India", it is difficult to uphold the rule for other countries that may have even older estimates.
- An afterthought: Perhaps it would be an idea to make the note "According to UN estimates, India surpassed China by the end of Apr 2023" more visible, perhaps by attaching it to the country names of China and India.
- --T*U (talk) 09:05, 21 January 2024 (UTC)
- I made this mock-up, based on the big area list:
| Country / Dependency | Population | % of world |
Date | Source (official or from the United Nations) |
||
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| – | World | 8,104,226,000 | 100% | 2 May 2024 | UN projection[1] | |
| 1/2 [a] |
 China
|
1,409,670,000 | 17.4% | 31 Dec 2023 | Official estimate[3] | [b] |
 India
|
1,392,329,000 | 17.2% | 1 Mar 2023 | Official projection[4] | [c] |
- ^ According to UN estimates, India surpassed China by the end of Apr 2023.[2]
- ^ Refers to Mainland China; excludes China's special administrative regions of Hong Kong and Macau, which returned to Chinese sovereignty in 1997 and 1999, respectively.
- ^ Includes the population of the India-administered union territories of Jammu and Kashmir, and Ladakh.
- ^ United Nations. "World Population Prospects 2022". population.un.org. Archived from the original on 5 February 2019. Retrieved 10 Nov 2022.
- ^ "India to overtake China as world's most populous country in Apr 2023". United Nations. 24 Apr 2023. Retrieved 27 Apr 2023.
- ^ "10. Total Population Declined and Urbanization Rate Continued to Grow (2023)". www.stats.gov.cn. National Bureau of Statistics of China (NBSC). 2024-01-17. Retrieved 2024-01-20.
- ^ Sudan, Preeti (9 July 2020). Population Projections for India and States, 2011-2036 (PDF) (Report). New Delhi: Ministry of Health and Family Welfare. p. 83. Archived (PDF) from the original on 4 June 2023. Retrieved 29 July 2023.
Semi-protected edit request on 29 January 2024 edit
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Make the D in dependencies in the column capital. Kaspuuks (talk) 11:57, 29 January 2024 (UTC)
Not done per the manual of style on table headers (WP:HEADERS). Wizmut (talk) 13:21, 29 January 2024 (UTC)
Crimea edit
Crimea should be listed separately, like Kosovo or Abkhazia. There is widespread non-recognition of its Russian status. 24.108.18.81 (talk) 03:13, 1 February 2024 (UTC)
- The difference is that nobody calls it a sovereign state or a dependent territory. Either way it's an integral part of one country or another.
- The reason lists on WP say it's part of Ukraine is because most governments and the UN say it's part of Ukraine. Wizmut (talk) 03:57, 1 February 2024 (UTC)
- In that case, its population should be included with that of Ukraine, whichiis not presently the case. 24.108.18.81 (talk) 06:38, 1 February 2024 (UTC)
- That's a good point. The UN's area figures attach Crimea to Ukraine, but their population figures attach it to Russia. I believe this is because Russia is the entity capable of conducting a census there.
- I don't really like the idea, but I suppose the list could give a calculation based on what Russia says the population of Crimea is. But perhaps the entry should make it very obvious that simple, high-quality data are simply not available. Wizmut (talk) 06:43, 1 February 2024 (UTC)
- I will ask somebody to transfer Crimea's population to Ukraine. 24.108.18.81 (talk) 16:29, 1 February 2024 (UTC)
- In that case, its population should be included with that of Ukraine, whichiis not presently the case. 24.108.18.81 (talk) 06:38, 1 February 2024 (UTC)
Ethiopia’s population edit
The article for Ethiopia estimates its 2023 population as 127,955,823 (from https://www.worldometers.info/world-population/ethiopia-population/#google_vignette). This article uses an estimate of 107,334,000 from the Ethiopian government. This is a pretty big discrepancy and if the larger number were used, it would put Ethiopia's population above that of Japan and the Philippines. Is there some way to pick a canonical estimate, for example one that is believed to be more accurate, and use that on all the articles? rdl381 (talk) 08:06, 5 February 2024 (UTC)
- Please see section 'Method'. This article uses official figures when available. Contrast this article with List of countries by population (United Nations). Wizmut (talk) 08:38, 5 February 2024 (UTC)
India edit
Please update, India has a higher population than China
https://www.un.org/development/desa/pd/sites/www.un.org.development.desa.pd/files/undesa_pd_2023_policy-brief-153.pdf 180.150.36.216 (talk) 04:32, 15 February 2024 (UTC)
About South Korea's population date edit
The South Korean date should be February 29, not 31. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 181.197.204.240 (talk) 13:08, 13 March 2024 (UTC)
Iran quite outdated edit
https://www.cia.gov/the-world-factbook/countries/iran/summaries/#people-and-society
87,590,873 (2023 est.)
cf. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran#cite_note-7
2001:9E8:71:7E00:4D3F:3C53:6F18:1FB2 (talk) 15:01, 19 March 2024 (UTC)
- Please see section "Method". This list uses official figures when available. Contrast this article with List of countries by population (United Nations). Wizmut (talk) 15:33, 19 March 2024 (UTC)
Canada population edit
For Canada's population, I'd encourage you to use the quarterly population estimates published by Statistics Canada (https://www150.statcan.gc.ca/t1/tbl1/en/tv.action?pid=1710000901). It's the most accurate and up-to-date estimate of Canada's population. It's also the source used on the wikipedia page dedicated to Canada. As of 2024 Q1, Canada's population is 40,769,890. — Preceding unsigned comment added by ZeusMinerva25 (talk • contribs) 08:23, 29 March 2024 (UTC)
Semi-protected edit request on 12 April 2024 edit
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Thailand's population is now 71,869,367 MaruchaLaosdy (talk) 06:30, 13 April 2024 (UTC)
Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. '''[[User:CanonNi]]'''(talk|contribs) 06:34, 13 April 2024 (UTC)
United Nations Population Fund edit
According to the UNPF there is currently 8,119 M people in the world and not 8,102 M : https://www.unfpa.org/data/world-population-dashboard — Preceding unsigned comment added by 185.24.187.214 (talk) 13:28, 23 April 2024 (UTC)