Talk:List of British police officers killed in the line of duty/Archive 1

Archive 1

Archive 2

John William Fordham

Didn't the judge rule that the slaying of John William Fordman was self-defence and he was killed in course of a crime (not legal or contractual "duty")? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.40.176.73 (talk) 20:39, 15 December 2020 (UTC)

Kenneth Noye successfully claimed self defence, partly on the grounds that he supposedly did not know Fordham was a police officer, but rather thought he was some criminal rival. That does not mean that Fordham himself was committing any crime, which is wasn't. He was, therefore, still killed in the line of duty as per the remit of this page. Nick Cooper (talk) 16:05, 16 December 2020 (UTC)

Order

Currently the deaths are listed alphabetically by the name of the officer. I think it would be better listed chronologically because you might see trends then in the frequency of officers dying in the line of the duty or in the manner of their deaths.46.208.103.219 (talk) 02:39, 6 August 2012 (UTC)

I agree - worth starting discussion to see how many think likewise.Cloptonson (talk) 14:35, 24 April 2015 (UTC)

@Cloptonson: By clicking on the little arrows in the top of the table, you can adjust and read the list in alphabetical, date of death etc order... Keri (talk) 14:54, 24 April 2015 (UTC)

Can we not group them by century... that way they can both be alphabetically and chronologically based  The Emperor of Byzantium  (talk) 21:51, 08 February 2022 (UTC)

Not full

The list seems not to be a full list. The words "British" and "English" are both used. In Police sites, those dying of accident or disease are included, not only those killed by criminals acting deliberately. Many were killed by German bombing in the Second World War. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.97.194.200 (talk) 12:09, 16 February 2011 (UTC)

Frank Taylor

Frank Taylor is down as "Humberside Police," which obviously can't be correct for 1948. Do we know which force Taylor was actually with at the time? Nick Cooper (talk) 10:56, 20 June 2011 (UTC)

Thank you for spotting the error. He served with Hull City Police. --TBM10 (talk) 20:51, 20 June 2011 (UTC)

N.I. police officers are British

Northern Ireland is part of the United Kingdom. People of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, for short Britain, have British Nationality and can hold British passports. Police officers killed in the line of duty from the Police Service of Northern Ireland and the earlier Royal Ulster Constabulary were British citizens. To say they are not British is an insult to their memory. The list omits those police officers from the list, but there should at least be some mention about their deaths in the introduction. It may be a good idea to have a separate list for the Northern Irish police officers, sadly because the list is so long. HLE (talk) 14:33, 25 August 2011 (UTC)

I can understand the omission of PSNI/RUC officers who died in the troubles as that list would be quite large and deserves a section of its own. But I'm not sure why officers who died in other circumstances are omitted, for example the PSNI policemen who died in a car crash a few years ago - an accident that had nothing to do with the troubles. In my opinion they should be included in the list--129.31.219.191 (talk) 13:49, 19 October 2011 (UTC)

This list exists to list officers killed as a direct result of a crime or preventing a crime in progress, thus any officers who died in "ordinary" car crashes would not be included regardless of if they were English, Scottish or whatever. The list would be many thousand items long if we listed officers who died in car crashes.--TBM10 (talk) 19:45, 19 October 2011 (UTC)

The four officers who died did so as they were responding in a police vehicle to help a colleague (eg here), surely that counts as in the line of duty? There are many instances of "Vehicle crashed during police pursuit" in the list and others such as "Road traffic accident while transporting a prisoner", so I don't get why the psni accident doesn't qualify. The police memorial site is full of officers who died in car accidents driving to and from work, I can see why those aren't added here but a car crash while responding to an incident should surely be on it.--80.42.190.159 (talk) 13:36, 10 July 2012 (UTC)

If that "Road traffic accident while transporting a prisoner" is the incident I think it is the prisoner deliberately caused the car to crash by attacking the driver in order to escape.46.208.103.219 (talk) 02:35, 6 August 2012 (UTC)