Talk:Laminariaceae

As Google says, "Did you mean: Laminariae?"

I tried that and it didn't like it too well.

Laminariae is probably a subfamily or tribe or something. --DanielCD 5 July 2005 18:41 (UTC)

Could this be Laminariaceae?

That sounds better. ping 6 July 2005 07:49 (UTC)

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Merger proposal

I propose that Kombu be merged into Laminariaceae, to match the Japanese konbu コンブ(昆布) article. Basically all Laminariaceae algae are called blah-blah-konbu in Japanese, blah-blah-dasima in Korean, and blah-blah-hǎidài in Chinese. --Pusae (talk) 17:55, 21 December 2017 (UTC)

Kombu's lead says it's "mostly" from Laminariaceae, so taxonomically I'm not sure it'd make sense to include this topic primarily in Laminariaceae, or even Saccharina. Are there reliable sources that say it's all, always in this family? I see references online referring to kombu as "kelp", which is not specific to this taxon, but could mean the addition of "kelp as food" would be appropriate in Kelp § Commercial uses. It seems like a pretty distinct topic to me, having decently developed sections on etymology and history. I think all of that would be way too specific for an article on a taxon when "kombu" doesn't belong to just one taxon. Nori is apparently from one genus of red algae but the article is obviously treated as a distinct topic, and I think that's comparatively appropriate to this case. Rhinopias (talk) 21:30, 21 December 2017 (UTC)

In Japanese, the word kombu is not only used as an everyday word meaning edible kelps, but also used as biological technical terms. For example, kombu-moku (Laminariales) and kombu-ka (Laminariaceae). In English, however, it is only used as a food name. This ariticle is more culture-oriented, but not of biology at all. So, I don't think this should be merged into Laminariaceae. And I have to point out Laminariaceae algae are NOT always called blah-blah-kombu in Japanese. e.g. Arame (Eisenia bicyclis), Kajime (Ecklonia cava). I'm feeling the need to improve this page, especially its history and I'll do it step by step. --Froggieboy (talk) 18:30, 28 December 2017 (UTC)

No Merge Kombu is a loanword from Japanese, but it has a slightly different meaning in English, but a significant one. In English it relates to species that can be used similarly, and not necessarily a specific taxonomic clade. Nessie (talk) 18:39, 29 January 2018 (UTC)

Oppose merging very strongly. This is about the cultural and nutritional significance of a group of seaweeds that overlaps largely but not exactly with the Laminariaceae. The overlap with the biological focus of the article on Laminariaceae is much smaller. Link, don't merge. Reserve merging principally for cases of synonymy.

—Syrenka V (talk) 00:30, 18 March 2018 (UTC)