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Latest comment: 1 year ago by SJy2iI83VJ in topic The recent incident of naturalization in China is actually controversial
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The recent incident of naturalization in China is actually controversial

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According to Chinese Nationality Law: (Official website https://en.nia.gov.cn/n162/n222/c421/content.html , Chinese original version https://www.nia.gov.cn/n741440/n741547/c1013967/content.html)

Article 3 The People's Republic of China does not recognize dual nationality for any Chinese national.

Article 9 Any Chinese national who has settled abroad and who has been naturalized as a foreign national or has acquired foreign nationality of his own free will shall automatically lose Chinese nationality.

Which means that if he did not choose Chinese nationality at birth, he does not have Chinese nationality.


and Article 5 Any person born abroad whose parents are both Chinese nationals or one of whose parents is a Chinese national shall have Chinese nationality. But a person whose parents are both Chinese nationals and have both settled abroad, or one of whose parents is a Chinese national and has settled abroad, and who has acquired foreign nationality at birth shall not have Chinese nationality.

Neither of his parents is of Chinese nationality, and his only blood origin is that his great-great-grandmother is Jamaican Chinese. So this Article does not apply. Williamkidd (talk) 05:02, 5 August 2023 (UTC)Reply

Do you have any WP:Reliable sources to say that his naturalisation is controversial? Applying what you wrote above to Anderson would be WP:Original research, which is strictly prohibited. – 2.O.Boxing 08:49, 5 August 2023 (UTC)Reply
I think there have been enough cases like this in recent years to understand more or less what happens. China can only give/revoke Chinese nationality, not other countries' nationalities. For the average person, China's single nationality principle can mean that if someone has another nationality, the government might revoke the person's Chinese nationality. For the average person naturalizing, their naturalization would progress to a point where they would be required to officially renounce their other nationality with the other country and, in the case of a US national, present a Certificate of Loss of Nationality before their naturalization in China was finalized. For athletes like Anderson where China wants them to hold Chinese nationality though, China can really only either request that they renounce voluntarily, choose not to naturalize them, or naturalize them and just not acknowledge their other nationalities. The other way of doing it seems to be to just issue "sport passports" to show to the international sport organizations without really naturalizing athletes, but it seems like maybe people have caught onto that and FIBA has been more strict about Anderson needing to be really naturalized. Here's an article from Xinhua (official news media) saying he has acquired Chinese citizenship through naturalization: https://english.news.cn/20230724/dfa55477f96147b5a8253c385ebce60d/c.html. Here's an article saying how what it means for Anderson is that once someone is naturalized in China, China will only acknowledge their Chinese nationality, but what other countries choose to recognize or say about your nationality outside China is not China's concern: https://www.163.com/dy/article/IANN2BBA0553A42J.html. ---- SJy2iI83VJ (talk) 00:26, 11 August 2023 (UTC)Reply
@SJy2iI83VJ: I see that you removed text regarding questions about China and dual citizenship of its naturalized athletes. I think it's come up enough in secondary sources that it's worth mentioning, allowing the reader to decide on their own what "really" happened.—Bagumba (talk) 00:37, 11 August 2023 (UTC)Reply
What I see in Chinese news media is that articles have so far been more cautious about not claiming Anderson renounced US nationality as compared with the case of athletes at the 2022 Winter Olympics because of how that went. When questions about dual nationality have been raised about him, the answers from the press are just about how China only recognizes his Chinese nationality but other countries will do what they will and it's not China's concern. Renouncing US nationality to China when naturalizing does nothing to Anderson's US nationality. Only renouncing US nationality before US authorities and processing an official loss of nationality does. In my view, to suggest that he may have renounced US nationality before US authorities and fully processed a Certificate of Loss of Nationality in a couple months without any evidence to back it up (like the public Federal Register records) is to parrot Chinese nationalist propaganda. I think that without real facts and evidence it's just propaganda-driven speculation, even if reporters in the US don't realize what they are repeating. ---- SJy2iI83VJ (talk) 01:15, 11 August 2023 (UTC)Reply
To be clear, no sources are saying definitively that he renounced US citizenship. They are only bringing up that it is unclear whether he had to, given that rank-and-file Chinese are not allowed by China to be dual citizens. We should reflect what sources say (WP:WEIGHT) and try to avoid WP:RIGHTGREATWRONGS. —Bagumba (talk) 01:34, 11 August 2023 (UTC)Reply
There are all kinds of things that could be said are unclear and may or may not be true, but I'm not sure the ambiguity merits inclusion on Wikipedia, especially when there would be documentation for it if it were true. Not trying to advocate for a cause. If it is included, the language should probably follow the ESPN source in saying that China has rules that usually prevent rank-and-file citizens from holding dual nationality (it suggests that the naturalized athletes are handled differently). Could also include this news article from China citing a commentator who it says implied that Anderson is a dual national: https://www.sohu.com/a/707304822_100078132. ---- SJy2iI83VJ (talk) 02:58, 11 August 2023 (UTC)Reply
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